Valve Reveals Lifetime Retail Sales of Half-Life, Counter-Strike Series

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  Yeah I was surprised these numbers were so low until I read they didn't include steam numbers. That's got... : Dynotaku
  • So low? What? : Wisp!
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  Who is to say that they don't make those numbers available to publishers/developers, but under the terms ... : noleh8r
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    That is certainly possible, but why keep it such a secret from the consumer? : ajvitaly
    • its the competition they are keeping it a secret from not the consumer. : italiano3d
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  Actually, I can think of a completely valid reason why they don't discuss digital sales. Because it ... : kevlarcardhouse
  • ....or very high and they'd like to keep outside parties from investing heavily in their own online distr... : edgewise

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• Guitar Hero has already come and gone - you are late to the party. : dedgecko
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  And Make a System with it. O yea, I forgot....and be innovative. That's whats hilarious about people ... : SlingBlaze
  • my math is bad i meant .5% : SlingBlaze
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  I very much doubt Wii Sports has sold 30 million. Remember, it doesn't come with the console in Japan. : OmegaRed59
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Wii : Cihte
    • wow, thats nuts that nintendogs sold so well. No wonder Nintendo is targeting the casual gamers. : slambast

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• Awesome post. Pure genius. : SockMonkeh
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  You sir are clearly retarded. : unholydonuts
  • ^ These two posts say it best. : Godhatesfatpeople
  • Why are you talking to yourself? : mizeriq
• Don't know how true that is. I bought HL1 to play CS and DoD. : Pettytheft
• I said wow. : FatBaby
• Well kids it used to be a mod that required hl1. Probably before you were born though so I won't blame yo... : tKillbox

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  I remember months before L4D's release. Newell or Lombardi mentioned that the newly-aquired Turtlerock St... : Godhatesfatpeople
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    Gabe: "Well, we'd be fools to NOT work on CS2." Actually, I'm not 100% sure of that quote. It's an accu... : AxeMan808
    • I wish I could find the other quote I read. I'm pretty sure it was Gabe who said he plans to have the L4D... : Godhatesfatpeople
    • It was more something like ""Well, we'd be fools to NOT release CS2." They said they weren't working on ... : razlebol
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  The CS community are to stuck on counterstrike, it would be impossible to make them think anything new wa... : Flobster
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    CS:S sold well though and people still play it quite a bit now. They don't have the original CS numbers. ... : Godhatesfatpeople
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      I don't know what game you're playing but I have yet to play a game with as many servers and players as C... : coolbreezr
      • Isn't it known that the original CS still retains a bigger number of players than CS:S? : Godhatesfatpeople
      • you're wrong, there are more playing the original : kaddar0
      • Some people don't like the headshot hitboxes on the Source version. It is a little too easy to get a head... : Wisp!
      • More people play the original, however if i recall correctly its not that much more and CSS is clearly th... : thewindcriesmary
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  L4D seems to be equal Cstrike in the sheer quantity of rage-quits. : timaste
  • I did that, twice. Only because I was playing with jerks. : Jobos
  • i think it has more. so it some ways, it is vastly superior to its predecessor. : DewFuel
• Well, I hope this time they actually balance the friggin weapons and put a stop to the boring saverounds. : mizeriq

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• Seriously. More information is good. : Vincent Grayson
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  Other companies use steam and they are not at liberty to release those figures for sales because of the l... : spyrext
  • So ? We are talking about Valve's own games here. : Kristian Joensen

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  Or like most news stories, it could just be a tiny sidenote in one magazine thats spread across the net l... : Flobster
  • This is also a very likely possibility! :) : timaste
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  I think it could just be to motivate other Publishers to use Steam. Valve shows they are successful, G... : sharkII
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    These numbers don't include steam sales however so not sure how much that would motivate publishers. I do... : timaste
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      They don't need to include Steam's numbers to generate interest. that's the follow-on conversation. ... : sharkII
      • That doesn't really follow though....of course they use Steam, they created it. : Vincent Grayson
      • OR maybe this... Steams numbers are lower and it might hurt 3rd party opportunities? Perhaps their boxed ... : timaste
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  I've read that Valve may be quietly looking for a buyer. One speculation is all the ads for Left 4 Dead w... : baron calamity
  • haha, where did you read this from? Why would they go backwards when they've progressed so much on their ... : Godhatesfatpeople
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    If they were looking to sell wouldn't they reveal how much they made with steam sales also? They would de... : thejay247
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      Maybe Steam sales are lower, and it might heard publishing : timaste
      • *hurt, not heard : timaste
  • Google was one rumor. But I don't think there's much water to that one. : ezanga
  • All the ads say EA, not Valve. Damn publishing deal D:< : Smurfy12
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  Possible angles Valve could be taking here: DRM: Following on the heals of Gabe's DRM rant, Steam aut... : ezanga
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    I'm going to go with your last paragraph. Mainly because I think it's to show that even in retail they ca... : Godhatesfatpeople
    • Agreed : timaste
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  Valve could be trying to have an IPO. it's speculated their current evaluation is above hovering slighly ... : timaste
  • I see nothing to discredit the idea. Makes sense, particularly if Valve sees themselves (or wants to be ... : ezanga
• Or it could be that HL just celebrated its 10th anniversary and they just want to release some interestin... : kagath
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  The Valve guys have always been interested in stats and numbers too, so this could just be another set of... : Topsiderover
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    ^^^^Yeah, I'm thinking this. And Gabe and crew seem to WANT to keep up with what the user base is thinkin... : AxeMan808
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      I think this is very likely too : timaste
      • I'm sure they are reading this with great humor. :) : timaste
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  Jesus, stop saying Money Hats. : Jobos
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    Money Cats : SlingBlaze
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      Monkey bats : ezanga
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        Funky Stats : DewFuel
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• To combat against Microsofts GFWL. : thewindcriesmary
• IPO was my first thought. : Priest77

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• zero : SlingBlaze
• I presume anyone who sells on Steam has access to their own sales data. I wouldn't be surprised if Valve... : ezanga

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• None of them, since the stats are for retail sales. OEM Bundles, Steam, giveaways, etc. are not includ... : DOOManiac

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• Glad I'm not the only one who made this mistake. : DOOManiac

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  Steam is not included in these numbers. : Chris Faylor
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    Well, hell, that changes things dramatically. I'd like to see the numbers with Steam sales factored in. I... : afroninja
    • I think we'd all like to see that. : Chris Faylor
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      wasn't hl2 was the first game you could buy on steam? : Bumpmapped
      • you are correct. : i poop from there
    • even though, they'd include all gift's and freebies in that # which would be heavily padded from the ATI/... : dignan
• Plus orange box sales puts HL2 at 9.5 million, or more than HL1. : OmegaRed59

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  these do not have steam factored into it. episode 1 probably sold far more than halflife2 via steam. : DewFuel
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    It was released retail much later than it came out on Steam. : zooolander
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      In most territories, it was a day and date launch. : RomSteady
      • Yeah, I bought my EP1 @ retail for $10 the day of launch. : xsoulbrothax
• Add in the orange box sales and it's not that bad. : sharkII

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  Yeah. I'd actually be more interested in seeing steam-only sales. There are 16 million steam users. I'm s... : Cihte
  • The larger the decline in retail sales, the higher the increase in digital distribution. : Lukiopimp
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  Why are those numbers NEVER released? Probably because Valve has a monopoly on digital distribution, and... : Jobos
  • the profit margin is so low that valve feels ashamed to post the numbers of their steam sells...or? : apfelstrudel2

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• Millions of them. : Schnapple
• if you didnt have HL1, you had to either buy HL1, or the CS retail box that later came out. : yAak
• People pay for Bejeweled and Tetris too. : Godhatesfatpeople
• I did in the Half-Life platinum box. : buzzbat
• i still have that damned yellow CD with the counter terrorist on it. that was back when Won.net was on... : DewFuel

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• Nothing wrong with liking Steam :) One of the things I think I like the most about it is that it feel... : Godhatesfatpeople
• Early steam quotes put HL2 steam sales at 25% of retail, and shortly after the OB released, they stated t... : Flobster

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• Haha, nice one. Steam is a great success indeed. Even the greatest sceptics from the early days should ad... : Joerdgs

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  it was not specified if the figures of multiplatform games--Half-Life, Half-Life 2, The Orange Box--inclu : Korban
  • I specifically ignored those numbers because that is the MUCH TOO FREQUENT position taken by the pc gamin... : ezanga
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  Your sarcasm needs improvement. : DewFuel
  • This is the right answer. : ezanga
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  3 million for the Orange Box? 1.4 million for Ep 1, which outsold Opposing Force by 300k? Not counting St... : kungfusquirrel
  • Wow your sarcasm Detector must be broken. Also if you look at the numbers alone it does look like PC g... : SlingBlaze
• If one company can be successful in an industry then surely that means the whole industry and most others... : derelict515
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  Looks like I have to sell my brand new PC now. Thanks ezanga :'( : Godhatesfatpeople
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    I'll take it ;-) : ezanga
    • But what will I do ascii art on?! : Godhatesfatpeople

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  That's weird, because they should have pre-loaded it. : Smurfy12
  • I think he meant unlocking it, which in itself felt like a full game download cuz of server load : DewFuel

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• because other companies use Steam, and they are not wanting to drive anyone way from it. : sharkII
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  they can't keep track of them. : Bingo
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    They can't keep track of their own platform's purchasing scheme???? That would be one hell of a design f... : DewFuel
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      Sorry, it's true it was not very apparent, but I was joking :) : Bingo
      • shit, my sarcasm detector broke this morning. what a day for that to happen. sorry! : DewFuel

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• You'd better believe it, sister! : Smurfy12

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• :O : Godhatesfatpeople

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• because big brother doesn't want to give all the info away. : DewFuel