Morning Discussion

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  It is so awesome that I am playing the hell out of it despite totally being let down by the single player... : haiku
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    i already covered this review haiku the game is like a really hot chick who is fun to bang but every time... : [fry]
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      Is it like Assassins Creed? : MagicWishMonkey
      • never played that. it's a really brilliant game with fucking awful cutscenes and dialogue to the point th... : [fry]
      • no, because Mirror's Edge lets you actually play the game and feel like a badass when you do things where... : derelict515
      • Far Cry 2 Thumbs down : mnsnota
    • ahahhahahahah oh one of those chicks. : XchumpoX
  • Im getting it for PC for $20. Its like a Geometry Wars with the time trial modes, and your comment on it ... : noobja
  • The cinematic, story, and voice overs are a total mismatch for how fucking awesome this game is. : pigvomit
  • the concept of the gameplay and the player perspective is sound. how to turn that into a game that makes... : Luminair
  • I feel like this is about exactly how I would react to the game, judging by the demo. Very nice game mech... : Felraiser
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    It's like if Valve created 80% of a game then left the other 20% for Epic to finish. This is so fucki... : notd665
    • i lold at that too : ninjase
    • I lol'd it for that alone. : Gonzo
    • lol'd for that as well : Mondo
    • I don't really get it, so 20% is better than the other 80%? : dilutedq
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    and in a month EA will charge you $20 more to play the content they cut out! : jayares
    • this is what's preventing me from wanting the game. The game is so short, I wouldn't put it past them. : deathofrats
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      didn't you get the memo? EA is cool now, it's Activision that are raping faces. : gokart.
      • did you see the PS3 DLC releases on the fp? : razorblade79
  • So it sounds like the literal opposite of the haiku review of Assassin's Creed : Deathlove
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    I bought this tonight on the way home from work but didn't open it. Reading this makes me want to return... : pandastrong
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      I really don't want to turn people off from buying this game. It is a great experience but some of it's p... : haiku
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        wipeout would be so much cooler if they had character cutscenes between the races, and maybe some sweet c... : geedeck
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          also parts where you get out of the car to turn a valve : JINKY
          • maybe there could be a dating mini-game between the different drivers : geedeck
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      do you really play games for the story? I just assume the story will be shitty from the get go so I can a... : aeg1x
      • it's a game that really could have used a good story/dialog. there's a lot of cutscenes and talking so it... : JINKY
  • if you just skip through all the story sequences i think it would be ok. I think that faith actually loo... : Mr.SEX
  • haiku it sounds like you think this game is actually not awesome. : lakren
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    boy the dumbing down stuff sounds like what EA did to Spore... I hope its not a trend : cap n KRUNCH
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      EA sucks. : Robotic Puppy Eater
      • Dead Space waves hi : dchavez999
  • haiku have you cracked any of the leaderboards : alarm cock
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    Not surprised sadly. DICE really isn't that good of a studio for game design. They come up with an awesom... : locater16
    • It sounds like he's saying the game design is actually quite good, but the presentation is terrible. : Chris Remo
  • Personally it seems like a production hit job. It really looks like the developers had a phenomenal and c : SpaecKow
  • This is pretty much what I thought it would be, I could see me playing through the story once but mostly ... : dael
  • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=18426926 : SlamDunk
• I want to rent this game soooo bad, but blockbuster sucks giant cock. : sKetchflow
• I'm looking forward to my copy coming from GameFly. : Vincent Grayson
• wow...it is fun, but yeah the story is lame : byorn
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  Now they just need to set this game in feudal Japan and make you a ninja. : mechanicalgrape
  • Tenchu was cool the first few times I played it, but it got frustrating quickly. : AxeMan808
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  Anyone managed to find out what the theme song is for the game? I heard it in all the trailers and review... : Skoal^Fyfan
  • "Still Alive" by Lisa Miskovsky. Not to be confused with Portal's Still Alive : SolrFlare
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  Wow, that is really fucking disappointing. God dammit, I was really fucking looking forward to this game : windowpane
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    it's worth getting : Mr.SEX
    • Can I just pay them $30 for the good part of the game and let them keep the shitty parts? : windowpane
  • His review was like 75% positive though. : EvilDolemite
• The Playground 3 time trial is driving me crazy, but I can't stop playing it. >:( : Noobler
• Great review. : brickmatt
• http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/11/3/ : boring gegtik

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• Kids with no disposable income? : wasylm
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  What kind of a fucking douchebag steals an indie game like World of Goo? : avatar_58
  • My thoughts exactly. : gnomish
  • People who don't give a fuck about the games industry and wouldn't know an "indie" developer from EA....w... : Saman
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    what does matter if it's an indie game? Who steals a fucking game? : dilutedq
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      What does it matter if it's a game? Who steals? : ifallible
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        What does it matter if it's stealing? What does "is" mean? : heartsauce
        • "Ah. Did not. Have sexual intercourse. With that woman." : AxeMan808
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  Because the "demands" are bullshit to justify and rationalize selfish, self-entitled thievery. : action wombmate
  • Yeah, people who pirate out of "principles" of DRM and such are just looking for an easy way to justify t... : Sailor of Fortune
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  I can't really defend the piracy, but don't make the mistake of assuming that each download = 1 lost sale... : jasonepowell
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    At the same time, 1 Download doesn't mean only 1 lost sale, could mean more. I know back in the day one ... : SlingBlaze
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      They seem to be calculating these figures by tracking people, by IP presumably, who are connecting to the... : Carnivac
      • Would not having static IP from my ISP mean that I have a different IP when I connect to their servers? : OmegaRed59
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  One of the joystiq comments gives a little insight on the 90% rating And to those who are saying that : stgdz
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    I wonder if that number takes into account the demo connections. : liqker
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      i'm pretty sure they aren't morons and know the difference. : dahanese
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        I dunno about these game developers, random posters on internet forums are pretty well informed... : askedrelic
        • can you imagine the outrage if it ever came out that they mistook demo downloads as pirated copies? heh. ... : dahanese
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        But you really don't know do you? There are a lot of morans out there. : zebosausamite
        • Most of them are on forums, not actually making awesome games, since that requires some intelligence : derelict515
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    What about people who are on dynamic IPs? Mine changes pretty often. : boredguy
    • Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. : zebosausamite
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      Unless people who purchase games are more likely to have static IP's, the ratio would still work out the ... : DianeOfTheMoon
      • Look at how they're getting 90%, 100,000 IPs to 10,000 sales. If it's 50,000 people who have generated ... : boredguy
      • Nope. If they are judging based on game sales versus number of connections from unique IP's that would no... : Stoned Gargoyle
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      Oh please, you're arguing that people's IPs change while bittorrenting something so that invalidates the ... : antareus
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        No they are measuring this by the IP that their game servers register when the game automatically calls h... : Stoned Gargoyle
        • Even that isn't going to change drastically. Of the three broadband ISPs I've had in my life, all of t... : antareus
    • I'm sure they can track who is connecting to the thing with something other than just IP addresses. : SockMonkeh
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  DRM has never stopped any game from being pirated. : Vantage
  • Not from being TOTALLY pirated, but if you're arguing that no casual "oh hey give me a copy" level piracy... : Fayk
  • No, but if it needed steam (ie - no other way to get it besides steam + using GCF files) it probably woul... : avatar_58
  • I would DRM my game so much, you wouldnt even be able to install it! That'd stop the piracy. : Saman
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  But but DRM turns people toward piracy!!!! For what it's worth DRM doesn't seem to do much anyways. 8... : MrLobo
  • man that really sucks :( : AlexXdude
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    how do they get the % stats? : Foxhawk
    • perhaps it's 80% of those playing MP - otherwise, yes, how would they know? But how many people are pl... : dedgecko
    • Probably by having the game ping an authentication server when it is launched. Quick and easy way to tell... : patd
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    Goddamnit why can't they support m+kb on consoles. I really don't give a shit what platform I play on. : .frame
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      They can. http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=574996 : SinistarX
      • One game. One. Out of how many. : .frame
    • Just watch. The next generation of consoles will probably bundle a keyboard and mouse in, and have an int... : antareus
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    The last part about PC gaming is one reason I am seriously not considering a upgrade. What are the por... : stgdz
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      The costs are pretty minimal since both platforms are pretty similar. But in this case Far Cry's prima... : MrLobo
      • god that just pisses me off even more, pirates are just ruining the paying customers for PC gaming. : stgdz
  • I wish I could be one of the legit people playing it. Cuz the FUCKING THING WON'T WORK despite me reinst... : Q-ball
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  i think people just steal stuff out of habit nowadays. They just see things posted on torrent sites or w... : grabbie
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    I actually find it easier to buy music these days, just open itunes find the song and it's mine. No need ... : avatar_58
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      money talks. : kainen1
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        But it's like 0.99 or $9.99 for a CD. Even a brokeass college student can afford that. : avatar_58
        • shit, i wait for amazon's daily deals and their 5 albums for $5 deals and buy those : vov1n
• Well maybe if games weren't $60 blah blah blah OH SHI- : Fayk
• That's too bad, but you have to wonder how many would have bought the game at all. Personally, mp3s have ... : pauk111
• I bought it day one :< : askedrelic
• It doesn't matter how many douchebags steal the game as long as enough douchebags actually buy it. T... : adpalumbo
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  Yet games that have DRM are still pirated. the DRM does nothing : rosewood
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    Exactly. My whole view on this is if people want to steal your game/software, they are going to find a wa... : hirosushima
    • Not condoning pirating at all. It's just one of those things. : hirosushima
  • Exactly. Games with DRM are cracked the day they're released most of the time (often times even before th... : SatansFist
  • MY GAMES! THE DRM! IT DOES NOTHING! : ifallible
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  a good percentage of people who downloaded the game probably had no intention of buying it in the first p... : bakanoodle
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    this is nothing more than rationalization reasoning. those who practice this are still horrid people. ... : dahanese
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      He's not denying it. They are shitbags for stealing it, but the don't is that they wouldn't have even con... : glio1337
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        then why does it even need to be mentioned? : feek
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          because it's wrong to assume that every download is a lost sale : JINKY
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            But even if only a quarter of the downloads are actually "lost sales" they're still losing a fuckton of m... : whistler
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              But there's no reason to think its a quarter of downloads. That's a completely made up number. Maybe ... : adpalumbo
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                Of course it's a completely made up number. : whistler
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                  But really, who gives a fuck what the actual number is? When you have a game being pirated at a 9:1 ratio... : whistler
                  • Maintaining control of your property is fine if that's what you want to do. But its not part of a financ... : adpalumbo
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                    I think people should give a fuck about the actual number. I think the actual number matters. Period. ... : crimrOw
                    • whoa... double post fail. dunno how that happened. READ BELOW. : crimrOw
                  • I think people should give a fuck about the actual number. I think the actual number matters. Just beca... : crimrOw
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                You can look at games like WOW (where piracy doesn't make sense) and understand that there really are lot... : uncleanmonkey
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                  Also, compare the sales of PC games today with 10 years ago. It's pretty much unchanged, yet the market i... : uncleanmonkey
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                    I hate how everyone who takes issue with these completely arbitrary numbers thrown out by developers is a... : SenorSpine
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                      Some taking a 10:1 piracy ratio and saying that it means nothing is either a fucking moron or a pirate sy... : uncleanmonkey
                      • Actually, I believe you have this mixed up. This thread alone shows things are not so black and white, a... : crimrOw
                  • Games are much cheaper? Have you set foot into a game store lately? Most AAA titles are $50 to $60. PC... : crimrOw
            • It's no where near a quarter. People pirate because they don't want to spend money. Making pirating more ... : Nali4Freedom
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            the article didnt say they were lost sales : feek
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              But the article only drives this discussion by assuming that those are lost sales. If I make a game for ... : adpalumbo
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                i don't understand exactly what you are getting at. this is more of that justification i'm talking about.... : dahanese
                • 90% of all people playing this game stole it. that's ridiculously awful. But its not ridiculously awf : adpalumbo
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            it's ridiculous to think that all those downloads would never be sales. : dahanese
            • note: not saying even most would. as i'm a realistic, and know that's not true. : dahanese
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              Considering the fact that 90% of the copies are pirated, I think it's safe to assume that they could have... : whistler
              • What do you base that on? Do you even know 1% of the people who used stole the game? I assume you could... : crimrOw
          • just as it is wrong to assume that every download results in one. : two50six
        • Because publishers want to inflate the piracy numbers as much as possible to justify taking away consumer... : Freon
      • my statement still stands. and when people say that to me, rather than "yeah, i stole it." without anythi... : dahanese
    • I don't know what bakanoodle himself means by it, but what he said doesn't only speak to justify piracy. : adpalumbo
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      That's a bit dramatic. It's just people who likely would have never payed for the game. The game make... : geedeck
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        do you actually have anything to back those statements up other than your own belief? : dahanese
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          Dahanese, you know I don't and you know you don't, so why even ask a question like that? : geedeck
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            actually i do. it's part of my job. : dahanese
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              No, no you don't. No one has those numbers. Unless you interview and assess every torrenter, then you hav... : geedeck
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                i in fact said above that no one has the data down to the unit, it's impossible, but there is research ou... : dahanese
                • :hand motion: wah-wah-wah-wah-wah : geedeck
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                  You're really asking people not to belittle you? Dude you just told someone else "don't give me your pus... : crimrOw
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                    the "you're a jerk" comment was directed at proverbial pirates. pretty sure the shacker i was talking to ... : dahanese
                    • No, you didn't read my words correctly. I said neither of us had the correct statistics. We both agree th... : geedeck
                    • Justify your posts however you want. You aren't going to convince anyone to see things your way when you... : crimrOw
    • I don't know... just the fact that they made the effort to download the game at all... means they had SOM... : Gwyndion
  • ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : glio1337
  • that logic has it's limits. if one person was never going to buy something, then no big deal. if a billio... : carnivore
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    Then they don't deserve to play it. Just because you can subvert the market to satisfy your selfishness : action wombmate
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      They need to make games cheaper. Is 59.99 with tax really necessary? I always have to wait until it's in ... : mr.sleepy
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        Pirates aren't going to pay for the game at any price. Changing "why pay $60 when I can get it for free?... : riptyde
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          I wouldn't go that far. There's marginal utility involved here, is there not? It's like taxes. Yes, yo... : Attica Blue
          • for the majority of people who download games or anything really, I think the rational is usually this: ... : bakanoodle
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        I don't disagree, but high cost still doesn't justify piracy. Furthermore, we have to remember that game... : action wombmate
        • recreational expense - an optional purchase I disagree! : mr.sleepy
      • And yet consoles do fine. : whistler
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        do some research into the cost of games, and why they are priced like that. yes, some of it is "if i don'... : dahanese
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          You know I support you, dahanese! Games industry workers unite! (well, I want to be one someday, anyway... : action wombmate
          • these threads are one of the few last standing issues that i have trouble not getting worked up about. i ... : dahanese
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        The whole point of this thread was that even a $20 game is still getting pirates to shit. What are you ta... : Chris Remo
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          Why are you cussing at me : mr.sleepy
          • Because you were asleep when you made that other post. : Trips
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        World of Goo is a 20$ game. How can you justify piracy because of cost ? : MrLobo
        • I never justified piracy. I just suggested that games be cheaper. Why did you guys get all mad at me !!!! : mr.sleepy
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    The pirate's mantra right here folks. : OverloadUT
    • Sadly, this is true. This is what a lot of them say to make themselves feel better about themselves. ... : bakanoodle
  • Why should I pay for beer and food? I'm just going to piss and shit it out anyway, it's not like I'm kee... : randomjgj
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    meaningless. "a good percentage" and "probably". where did you get these statistics, bakersfield? : Luminair
    • WTF Bakersfield! : Ratalon
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    This is why I steal cars. I would have never bought that Dodge Charger, but decided.. fuck it.. might as ... : K1Bond007
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      same with eat at restaurants. run out on the bill. if i had to pay for it, i would never have gone there.... : dahanese
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        Yea, these analogies still fall horribly flat. : rosewood
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          I'm saying they don't get your point across at all because they don't make any sense. : rosewood
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            why not? they aren't perfect analogies. analogies kind of blow. but why is it very different? you are con... : dahanese
            • It's more like someone cloning your car or designer jeans. You still have them, but now they have them to : dumb.
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              Virtual piracy cannot be compared to stealing physical goods in many ways. When you run out on a bill,... : glio1337
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                The logistics are different but the end result is the same: You subvert the marked to enjoy a product/se... : action wombmate
                • You know you've won these debates when the other party is whining that "everyone" has their definitions a : antareus
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                  so I guess you never click on the porn links posted here? : alexthegreat2
                  • Debate 101: calling his credibility into question does nothing from a logical perspective. Either rebut t... : antareus
            • There's no "consumption" at all! If I copy a video game, what have I physical deprived someone of? It's n... : MaJeStu
  • Try that argument at a movie theater with people not paying to try and see a movie and see how far it wil... : stgdz
  • back in the day I would see ppl's directories and they would have hundreds and hundreds of games that wou... : cap n KRUNCH
  • So do you rent movies from blockbuster for 3 days and then return them, even if you haven't watched them ... : two50six
  • There are a lot of people who fill their time with games they had no intention of buying. Guess what? I : walker270
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  Aw, jeez. That sucks. Is this game any good? Maybe I'll buy it. : Rice-Rocketeer
  • it's really really fun : industro
  • I love it. People are creating a level-editor and community around the game currently. They just released... : askedrelic
  • ^^^ Some more info about the game and some good 'ol Shackhype would probably help here. Hell I know I've ... : Alco23
  • there's a demo, it's on steam : feek
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    it's pretty fun but honestly i get bored after 10-15 minutes of playing it. it's just above Peggle as fa... : electroly
    • It gets hard in the later levels. The first level is easy, but it gets hard fast. : Zhaneel
  • This game brings out my nerd rage against game trailers, which are for the most part, completely worthles : Entity
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  I like how Masseffect required you to register on forums with cdkey to get any support. : Iwannaacura
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    It's pretty hilarious and sad at the same time when pirates posts on game forums and try to get support a... : Sailor of Fortune
    • This is the best way to weed out the pirates that need support. : Iwannaacura
  • After the whole Titan Quest debacle I don't blame them, and that's actually a really great idea. : stonedonkey
• bring on the motivated rationalizations from "I'm not a pirate but" : Shai-Tan
• Yeah, the indie and casual markets typically have even higher piracy rates than the AAA retail games. : SiW.
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  I for one don't give a shit if people pirate games. Pirate away! Same with copying movies (everybody here... : snicker-snack 2
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    Would you care if pirates came into your house and stole your stuff? : re-verse
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      Because, it's EXACTLY the same thing right? : mattfl
      • It's close enough. The point is "would you care when your livelihood is on the line"? : uncleanmonkey
      • Yes, exactly the same thing, except the pirate in your house has a parrot on his shoulder, and its shitti... : re-verse
  • Where do you live? I feel like some guilt-free looting. : whistler
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    atleast you're honest, and not like most shackers trying to rationalize it. : feek
    • seriously. I rate this post above "well they weren't gonna buy it anyway!!!" : Foxhawk
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    Most people don't and thats why PC gaming is in the state it's in. : avatar_58
    • sounds about right. Probably most people don't care about the state of PC gaming either -- can't say that... : snicker-snack 2
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      This is silly. PC gaming is in a tough position because AAA production costs have grown to epic numbers ... : adpalumbo
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        Bullshit. The number of people playing PC games today is much larger than it was. Just look at WOW for ch... : uncleanmonkey
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          God I'm sick of WoW coming up as the be all, end all answer to all of PC gaming's woes. That's great for ... : Chris Remo
          • im with you on this. Blizzard, Valve, ID, can anyone name any other companies that actually have a long t : ballystix
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          Older consoles couldn't absorb sales on dominant PC titles. WOW and The Sims sell incredibly on PC becau... : adpalumbo
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            I don't buy it. There's got to be a hell of a lot more people playing PC games today than there was ten y... : uncleanmonkey
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              Why? That's exactly what happened to the TV and Music industry. Prime-time TV ratings prior to cable an... : adpalumbo
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                Ratings in percent or number for a specific channel, yes. Not in number of people watching ANY FORM OF TV... : uncleanmonkey
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                  You're missing the point: think of Xbox, PS3, DS, Youtube, etc as the other channels that are eating at n... : adpalumbo
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                    You're missing the point, look at the ACTUAL NUMBERS of people playing PC games. Your speculation is wort... : uncleanmonkey
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                      I did explain that already. As did others in this thread. : adpalumbo
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                        And you again ignore the point, good job. I guess you don't care much for facts, you've already decided t... : uncleanmonkey
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                          I really don't understand what point I've ignored. You asked: why is the sales rate for PC games down,... : adpalumbo
                          • I've told you twice now. You claimed that the PC gaming market is smaller, without backing that up. Fuck... : uncleanmonkey
                    • WoW doesn't exist on any other platform, and is a cultural phenomena all on it's own. It's sales would be... : SenorSpine
  • Yeah that's a real cool attitude to have until you work on a product that can be pirated. : nukewinter
  • I have no moral outrage about piracy - I've done it before, will likely do it again - but it's the sense ... : SiW.
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    Developers really are just going to give up on PC games at a certain point. It gets really tiring arguing... : Chris Remo
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      The other big problem with PC game sales IMO is the week to month delay in the release of the PC version.... : Dynotaku
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        Fallout 3 was day-and-date. PC SKUs sell less, period. : Chris Remo
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          No I know that. I'm saying that delaying the PC releases compounds low PC sales and makes ports less like... : Dynotaku
          • I know I would have bought GTA4 on PC if it was out simultaneously. Now I've completely lost interest. : daedraug
          • But the releases are delayed because it is extra work being put into something that has a lesser sell thr... : Zhaneel
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          Do you think that PC SKU sales would match the 360 if a perfect method for piracy prevention existed? : SenorSpine
          • absolutely not, and this is why this piracy argument is so tiresome. : reznory
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        Doesn't seem to make much of a difference in cases where the PC version is released at the same time. Hon... : uncleanmonkey
        • haha, I guess there's a hidden message in some gamers who will, "wait for the PC version." : Sailor of Fortune
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        How do we know that the choice to delay ME on the PC wasn't due to looking at sales figures for simultane... : qwpeoriu
        • Which is going to lead to the greater PC sales they want? Doubtful. : AxeMan808
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      Is that 17% including digital distribution? Regardless, 1/5 sales isn't too shabby for a "dead" platfo... : SenorSpine
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        Worldwide, there must be like 60% of people that play it on PC. That's what pissing them off. : guigr
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          Where does THAT number come from? : SenorSpine
          • It was feeling comfy in my ass... Seriously maybe I'm mad but it seems to me that in France a LOT more pe... : guigr
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      I say it's (among other things) the support issue. I consider myself an expert PC technician, from editin... : geedeck
      • I pretty much agree with this. : reznory
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      I remember seeing posts identical to this eight years ago. Here it is eight years later and I really do... : Halen
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        You don't? I sure as hell see a huge decrease. Maybe if you were actually playing PC games you'd notice. : Chris Remo
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          I read the shack enough to see, and I see the store shelves and I still know lots of PC gamers. The PC s... : Halen
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            Rather than going off of your gut and feeling how about some #s? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_in_... : Zhaneel
            • I think this can be more attributed to the proliferation of multiple and affordable consoles than a lack ... : reznory
          • Last time I was in the best buy pc games section i think 1/2 was my little pony games. : DarkWolf5
          • The shack has more PC game coverage than other sites because that was the focus for many years. : OmegaRed59
          • have you seen the front page of shacknews lately? : ballystix
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      This is all good and well but I've never seen you address hardware requirements in these arguments. Stard... : SpaecKow
      • I meant to write: ....even if that problem was removed there's no reason for developers to expect a PC re : SpaecKow
    • I like flash games...they are no mainstream billion dollar titles though. : timaste
  • I love the porn example for the Shack. I wonder how many people torrent their porn or go to the "free" p... : boredguy
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  well to be fair there's a million flash games with physics puzzles on the web, I think maybe they overest... : thebigbeefsandwich
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    Agreed. Goo was basically a cute flash game with loads of style. The core gameplay can be found in any of... : jigstah
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      Bought it, like it but I still feel raped. $20 is the price I would pay for Fallout 3. : guigr
      • You place a surprisingly low value on entertainment, especially games that give you quite a number of hou... : Fayk
• :( God damnit internet. : Chepito.
• I honestly thought that this was just a game made by someone and that it was 100% free.. While I feel ba... : wimpy1
• The worst thing about pirates is their act of piracy is destroying the very industry they are stealing fr... : EvilDolemite
• That's fucking horrible. However, what use would DRM have? People would still pirate it just as much, and... : Stage
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  Sadly, the picture would be no different at all if they did put DRM on it. DRM at most delays piracy by a... : terath
  • I agree.. this game is probably pirated heavily more because of it's size, that it's non use of DRM. I t... : stonedonkey
  • This is true. DRM really only helps retail games that sit on the shelf in brick and mortar establishment... : randomjgj
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  I went to a LAN party with some new people a couple weeks ago. When it was over and we were saying goodby : OverloadUT
  • People are jackasses. : ThomW
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  I hope you guys are ready to enjoy console only games that are supported by multiple revenue streams like... : sammyl
  • This is true and sad. : Chris Remo
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    I really disagree with this. I don't support piracy by any stretch, but piracy is not what actually make : adpalumbo
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      That seems incredibly fucking stupid if EA and other devs / pubs are not looking for ways to convert thos... : qwpeoriu
      • Oh sure, it doesn't hurt the immediate bottom line to squeeze more money out of the market (both paying a : adpalumbo
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      Yeah, but small and indie developers who don't get paid by 9 out of 10 of their users aren't going to con... : randomjgj
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        Except that you're proven wrong in this very article: He concludes, "We're doing ok, though. We're ge : adpalumbo
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          I don't know that I'd interpret that comment as meaning unicorns and rainbows for them at all. It's a sa... : randomjgj
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            I would read it as: "we aren't surprised, and we're doing as well as expected" I don't get the impress... : adpalumbo
            • I don't "think" anything about what they're experiencing at all. From what I can tell - and I'll admit I : randomjgj
    • That and the pursuit of more cash. Regardless of piracy or total sales or anything else, *of course* p... : Vincent Grayson
  • Nope, I don't buy games with in game advertising. I don't have TV service for that reason either. Also, I... : terath
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    The piracy problem is a myth. The advent of paid DLC and advertising is due to rising game costs and that... : Link.
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      It's not a myth, it's real, if you know any actual people you'd know that. Hell I had a friend get his PC... : uncleanmonkey
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        Most people I know buy games. Personal anecdotes mean nothing. It isn't a non-issue by any means, but the... : Link.
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          What do you base that assertion on? How do you explain that the ratio of piracy goes up in areas with goo... : uncleanmonkey
          • I'm agreeing with you... : Link.
        • Do you have figures to back that up, or are you just making that up? : OmegaRed59
    • The piracy problem is over stated, but definitely is NOT a myth. : SenorSpine
    • haha wow : Yanks
  • Depending how in-game advertising is done, I generally don't have a problem with it if it's non-intrusive... : stump
  • The industry is going there, but piracy isn't the reason. Businesses maximizing their profit is the reaso... : silent prophet
  • Is anyone that stupid? They'll pirate that shit too. : Halen
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    pirating console games is just as effortless as pirating pc games : [fry]
    • That's pretty highly dependent on console. : crummynz
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      it's not though because it requires a modded console, and in the case of 360 games you can't play online ... : mikecyb
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        Why can't modded 360's play online? : Halen
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          They can, but Microsoft just had their second huge wave of bannings last week. : crummynz
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            Wow, really? Interesting. Any articles on this anywhere? : Halen
            • http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/11/11/xbox-360-console-banning.aspx : afty
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        i didn't say it was just as prevalent i said it was as effortless. download, burn. yeah the modch... : [fry]
        • Also burning the disc. And making sure you're using a rip with proper stealth so you don't get banned fro... : sammyl
        • The modchip barrier to entry is pretty big compared to the *nothing* on PC though. If you don't actualyl... : DinK
    • That is patently false fry. : sammyl
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      No it's not. And if it is, that's not what the perception is. If I wanted to right now, I could go pirate... : Chris Remo
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        Could it be that since you're not a pirate that you're just not as informed about the methods of piracy a... : Derringer
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          There are surely a lot of people who don't BECOME console pirates because they have the same perception I... : Chris Remo
          • Very true. I just think that those people who pirate will do the research needed to pirate games and i... : Derringer
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          I think the point is that even someone who is NOT a hardcore pirate can fine a PC game torrent, d/l it an... : Zhaneel
          • Oh I agree totally, I was just tossing out an idea. But do you agree that once you "pay your entrance ... : Derringer
      • Well take the amount of people pirating PC games and focus them towards pirating console games and then w... : hirosushima
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      You mean pirating Wii, DS, PS2, and PSP games. This isn't the case for 360/PS3. : Link.
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        i think the ps3 is a problem because of burning blu-ray but the 360 is entirely compromised and doesn't e... : [fry]
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          It doesn't require a chip, instead it requires you to flash the dvd rom which to do so means you have to ... : sigpro
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            that's a lot of work to only end up voiding your warranty and getting banned from live. definitely no whe... : feek
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              you fucking ASSHOLES! OH MY GOD I HATE YOU ALL. my comment wa;lkjasj;lksajfdlkajsdf;lkjsad;lfjk ;ljasf... : [fry]
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                Well you surely must have had SOME kind of suggestion or implication, or why bother posting it? I mean yo... : Chris Remo
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                  chris, i'm a simple man. i eat vienna sausages sometimes. i don't even know what the fuck they're made of... : [fry]
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                    oh man. vienna sausages are delicious. mmm. : bakanoodle
                    • speaking of which, I hope my white elephant sends me some of those, that would be awesome. : bakanoodle
              • sorry, i guess it was wrong to assume when you said pirate that you also meant play it : feek
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              uh no, you can easily hack a 360 without voiding your warranty or getting banned from live.. in fact I th... : randomnull
              • s/hacking/pirating : randomnull
              • well im not even aware of this shit, so i think that says a lot about it : feek
    • this is extremely not true. : Yanks
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    no. pirates are not pushing the industry into those things. Corporate greed is what is pushing that. ... : bakanoodle
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      CORPORATE GREED : OverloadUT
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        I can find no other valid reason as to why to have advertising in your game other then more money. I... : bakanoodle
        • YES CORPORATE GREED : OverloadUT
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          If you don't think it's wrong maybe you should try nicer expressions than "corporate greed" to express co... : DinK
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            haha maybe. I still think it's greedy though. : bakanoodle
            • So then pirating games is ok due to ASSHOLE GREED?! : two50six
          • Why? Might some poor little company get its feeling hurt. This is the Internet FFS. : Stoned Gargoyle
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          You mean like having an additional revenue stream BEFORE the game ships to be able to fund development an... : Zhaneel
          • I disagree with his characterisation, but I disagree with yours too - There is no motive, its just econom : 60days
        • I was totally about to post about how expensive it is to develop games now vs ten years ago (even revenue... : timaste
  • No, it's where publishers are pushing it. Piracy is a distraction and an excuse. They just want to make ... : Freon
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  I'm proud to say I bought it. Pre-ordered even. : trelain
  • dilutedq wants to know how your post is relevant to anything. : CrustaR
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  I went through the demo of this and wasn't too impressed. :| : CrustaR
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    This is probably all your fault then. : Chepito.
    • :[ : CrustaR
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    How is that relevant to anything? : dilutedq
    • You think my reply is not relevant to this discussion. : CrustaR
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  All of you claiming that piracy is so overstated, let me ask you this: Can you honestly say you know anyo... : uncleanmonkey
  • aren't consoles a good example of this? It's a lot harder to pirate on consoles, and they have higher sa... : dilutedq
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    the idea of DRM is not to stop all pirates. at least how i view it, it's to make it difficult enough for ... : dahanese
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      It was a hypothetical question. Do you know someone who pirates all their games who would just stop gamin... : uncleanmonkey
      • i agree with you entirely. it would be a very small minority. : dahanese
  • They might just buy a couple games, but not buy as many as they pirate. I doubt many would just stop play... : OmegaRed59
• Gonna change from a packaged goods industry to a service industry : spiderfill
• Does this mean people can stop making bullshit "it's the DRM!" excuses every time some dev says piracy? : walker270
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  Because DRM just hurts buyers and dosn't prevent piracy? : matthaeus
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    Not preventing piracy 100% and not preventing piracy are two different things. I'd love a world where ... : Fayk
    • But the flavor of piracy being discussed is the big torrents, which DRM does nothing to stop. : DinK
• DRM is like gun control and stupid FBI warnings on dvds that I FUCKING BOUGHT. : Edges
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  I think the gaming industry should go after pirates much like the record and movie industry does. : skitzo
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    And I also think governments should be cooperative in shutting down torrents sites oversees. : skitzo
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      If the sites aren't illegal where they are, why should they be shut down? Just because you say so? : rosewood
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        Yeah, fuck them, they are stealing from people that work their asses off in the various industries, locat... : skitzo
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          I'm sure most of the posters on here would be criminals in Saudi Arabia or China for what they've posted ... : d fluke
          • I'm not talking about extradition, i'm talking about death squads, that will pop a cap in your fucking as... : skitzo
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          What if they wanted to do that same to us because of our laws and legalities : mr.sleepy
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            You can't tell that there are nations on this planet without some type of laws that prevent or have conse... : skitzo
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              Yeah but the sites aren't illegal. It's like sports betting sites - bodog and etc. They aren't illegal wh... : mr.sleepy
              • It's all loopholes man, we need to get to the primitive nature of law, I'm talking about caveman justice. : skitzo
              • The site's location is not illegal. But you are taking actions that are illegal in the country you're res... : antareus
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    They do. : geedeck
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      Yep, I still get press releases from Nintendo saying that they've shut X group down for making copies of ... : ateam311
      • It's even more than that. So the RIAA sends C&D notices to ISPs regarding torrenting from Pirate Bay or G... : geedeck
  • Yeah because that's working out so well. : NastyJack
  • *sigh* Going after and attack pirates doesn't really make any difference in my opinion. Making a reta... : bakanoodle
• I think it's just an age and money thing. All the gamers I know that are in their teens or early 20s or s... : wtf242
• Well I've tried the demo and must say I like the game. Might be picking this one up. Hopefully that edito... : ifallible
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  I made an album of music ~2 years ago and even in my small network of friends it was traded around as mp3... : mr.sleepy
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    RomSteady is working with SaaS and B2B work where he doesn't have to worry about piracy, which is why Rom... : RomSteady
    • :/ sadly : askedrelic
    • good for you though : RikiTiki2
  • the only way, sadly, that musicians can beat this right now is to make their money off live shows : RikiTiki2
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  I'll avoid taking sides, but the reality is this: DRM does jack squat to stop the bulk of piracy. it sto : Postal
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    Those Amazon trolls are fucking asswipes. Amazon should restrict people who buy the game that can make a ... : Sailor of Fortune
    • Agreed. : hirosushima
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      how would you do that, though? enter a CD key? an online registration system? kinda raises more bugabo... : Postal
      • ...or you could just limit it to people who buy the game off Amazon. : Arctic Fox
  • IAWTP. DRM really adds no value to the product for the customer. : Aragoat
• I know I won't buy any of the new EA PC games as long as they use their new DRM, and any company going th... : razorblade79
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  I'm confused why torrent sites that host games don't either get fined or shutdown. I don't mind people th... : h o s t i l e
  • torrent sites are usually hosted on non us territory i believe. : Iwannaacura
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    They don't host games : rosewood
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      I am pretty sure that excuse has failed enough times in the courts now that it doesn't mean anything. Hos... : OverloadUT
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        I don't know about that. There's a definite difference. The immediate result should probably be the same ... : ieGod
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          If posting a link to a magazine scan can be bad, why not a torrent to pirated software? You're basically ... : Sailor of Fortune
          • I'm not saying it isn't bad, but it's not as bad as actually distributing the stuff. That's a clear and d... : ieGod
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        Hosting the torrent is illegal, but linking to the torrent is legal. I hate the distinction, but the Net... : RomSteady
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          Right, and most of the torrents are stored on the torrent sites. I believe running the tracker for the to... : OverloadUT
          • A lot of the bigger torrent sites are hosted in Europe. And here it's usually not considered illegal to e... : SilverSnake
        • Sort of like how you can't shut down Google for providing links to illegal stuff. : OmegaRed59
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    Like rosewood said, its a torrent which points you to the game and does not contain the game itself. If ... : handofthrawn
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      ugh fuck, didn't think about that. So why don't game companies snag everyone that downloads the game by a... : h o s t i l e
      • They do. The ESA and most major film studios (through a company called BayTSP) monitor several torrent si... : evildanish
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    Here is the real reason: It's not the fact that "torrents don't contain the actual data" because that isn... : OverloadUT
    • I believe the courts try to discern the intent of the technology (the torrent in this instance) and then ... : antareus
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    Because they aren't actually hosting the pirated material. For that (in)famous Swedish torrent site (whos... : evildanish
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      That might hold up in Sweeden (so far) but that excuse no longer works for sites in the US. : OverloadUT
      • I don't think many torrent sites are actually hosted in the US, though. : evildanish
  • Becuase TPB doesn't give a fuck what anyone says, and thats great in some cases, but in shit like this, i... : d0gbert
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  more like World of Poo : lakren
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    If the little guys explode I'm in. : ieGod
    • That would be the turds in Blue Dragon. They explode after you search them. : RomSteady
• I bought it on WiiWare on Day 1. Great game. Fucking sucks that it's being pirated so much. : melkore
• Because a lot of gamers have a strong essence of self entitlement and are owed something, the mob mentali... : two50six
• We can all talk about this forever, but they only thing that will make any kind of difference is if peopl... : kiddygrinder
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  World of Goo is pretty overpriced I think. I mean it's the same price as Portal. Company of Heroes is $5 ... : aeg1x
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    Company of Heroes wouldn't be $5 cheaper if it had just come out. If you think it's too expensive, just d... : Chris Remo
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      I bought Company of Heroes on release, I'm just using it as a point of comparison. I think it's kind of r... : aeg1x
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        It's only cheaper because it's been out for two years! : Chris Remo
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          yeah but say I'm some random gamer weighing shit up. Am I really going to go for World of Goo at that pri... : aeg1x
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            You think some dude is sitting there looking at Company of Heroes versus World of Goo and going "Fuck it,... : Chris Remo
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              well yeah, basically. If a lot of people think the game is too expensive that's going to increase the pir... : aeg1x
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                Any price greater than ZERO is going to be considered too expensive by these people. What you're saying ... : walker270
                • This. Price has no impact. : SiW.
              • fwiw, I'm waiting to buy it on Steam once it goes on sale for $10 or less. I don't see me getting $20 out... : dmason
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                I just think it gets tiresome always having excuses for these people, even if you don't support them. ... : Chris Remo
                • yeah I largely agree with you. I just brought up price for this particular game because I personally had ... : aeg1x
                • I really haven't seen the diversity of indie stuff on consoles that I see on the PC. If the major publis... : TShandy
                • I generally hate the "yep" / "agreed" / "well said" posts that really don't add anything (largely because... : walker270
                • ^^^^ needs to be on the front page : Dessicator82
            • dude. nethack is free, and is a great game. why isn't WoW free, huh? HUH? : mindmann
• Maybe if it didn't dress that way when it went out these things wouldn't happen : ninjase
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  But Steam stops piracy....? : Nighteyes
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    Regardless of whether that is or is not the case, this is not a Steam-only game. : Chris Remo
    • I'm posting this down here because everything else is buried way up there, but you're totally fucking rig... : xsoulbrothax
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    If steam is the only outlet. Despite that, I'm sure you can pirate HL2/TF2/etc. : Yanks
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      Yep, there's a ton of them on torrent sites. : Yanks
      • I don't think Steam is really a DRM solution but it does make it very easy for me to whip out my credit c... : Aragoat
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    it doesn't stop piracy at all. what steam does is provide a viable alternative to piracy (as weird as th... : mikecyb
    • Yeah, Steam is like going to The Pirate Bay and having the Publisher wait there for your credit card numb... : Sailor of Fortune
• Good shit. Interesting discussion. Internet activation and authentication, limited installs, or go fuck y... : Downforce
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  the way i see it is the people who complain about DRM are in a small minority. the folks who wish to pira... : cpt_gloval
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    Yeah it seems like such a lose-lose. It doesn't stop piracy AND it punishes legitimate consumers! What a ... : aeg1x
    • CD keys that phone home when the game is being used seems like a good middle ground. I hate phone home as... : antareus
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  hahaha i love how they just pulled 90% out of their ass rather than basing it on anything. unless they o... : kill9
  • Where are you getting the impression they didn't base it on anything? : Chris Remo
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    We arrived at the 90% figure by looking at unique ip’s that have contacted our leaderboard server for a : walker270
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      It would be funny if they looked at total hits rather than total hits - demo hits. : TreMetal
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        I'm sure these guys are intelligent enough to take things like that into account. : Chris Remo
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          and they don't really seem to care about the piracy in the end so why bust yourself up about it? It didn... : alexthegreat2
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            It may very well ruin PC gaming, or at least be one of a number of factors that does. The difference bet... : Chris Remo
            • as the focus shifts to consoles, so will the pirates... don't worry about it : alexthegreat2
            • Porn also has a really low cost associated with it. Gaming, in general, does not. : walker270
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              Oh, Remo, you make sense in most of this monster thread but don't think for a second that moving to conso... : dmason
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                I'm not saying it would "solve this problem once and for all," I'm saying it's happening. : Chris Remo
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                  "it" meaning "the move to consoles" : Chris Remo
                  • That it is, that it is. :( : dmason
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                Piracy is almost a non-issue for console games; from a big company perspective: want to protect your inve... : mittense
                • In re-reading that I realize I didn't come anywhere near finishing my thought. : mittense
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              Please, Remo, stop this. Piracy is not killing PC gaming. Out of control upgrade costs are and it's been ... : MaJeStu
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                yeah World of Goo really should've scaled back their requirements and price point : derelict515
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                  Yeah, totally. I can't believe they require 2D graphics acceleration, who has that? : antareus
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                    seriously, I only have a fucking 386 here. I just downloaded instead of paying. Ridiculous out of touch d... : derelict515
                    • Haha, I like how he doesn't bother replying. : antareus
              • hahahaha : hamachi
              • Look how absurd you're being. : mittense
      • We already went over this in the thread, why are you people so happy to shit on this indie developer? The... : askedrelic
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      don't most pirates use software firewalls to block incoming/outgoing communication from pirated software : dignan
      • I have to admit that I'll happily block a game I've bought if it tries to connect to a server that I don'... : Aragoat
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        A large number of pirates apparently contact the company for technical support when the game they pirated : walker270
        • no but the groups that rip the games could strip this sort of thing out pretty easily i would imagine : kill9
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          RomSteady can probably provide numbers, but I'd argue a large number of pirates are complete idiots, much... : askedrelic
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            IIRC RomSteady mentioned it was like 8:1 pirates:legit for people that actually called customer support? : xsoulbrothax
            • Think of it this way -- if what dignan said is true, then the piracy rate is at least 16:1! : walker270
      • Most pirates aren't that smart. Honestly. : ieGod
      • no, definitely not : derelict515
    • It really annoys me when game companies just make an estimate on how many copies are pirated then talk ab... : Aragoat
• This thread is an abortion. : windowpane
• How big is this game? I believe the smaller the size of the game, the more people will pirate it. People ... : jane911
• Honestly, I have way to many other games on my plate right now to even glance at this release. Stalk... : jasoncrowley
• Holy fucking shit, how did this thread get 432 replies!? o_O : thetangent
• Just out of curiosity, I wonder how many of the 90% hadn't heard of the game before downloading it. : notext
• fail. zero NWS content. : XchumpoX

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• I thought it was absurdly hot and I don't even have a camera (other than my iPhone) : Jonathan
• looks like a gun from Dead Space or something : Majuju
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  holy fuckballs : sKetchflow
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    someone buy me the cheapest one. that's all I ask : sKetchflow
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      no way! don't get the one with the fixed lens! depending on the mini-red lens mount prices the $2500k o... : Wheatloaf
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        Yeah the Fixed Lens one makes no sense - isn't it completely the opposite of the gradual upgrade methodol... : Jonathan
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          From the price scheme it looks like it will be like 50 bucks and you can buy it as a stocking stuffer/key... : Wheatloaf
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            My only concern is... what kind of computer would you need to edit the video? : heartsauce
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              Since the cameras automatically generate .mov proxies in 720 and 2k, you can edit on just about anything ... : Wheatloaf
              • That eases my only concerns. : heartsauce
  • Yup, that's pretty much what I said. : five_percent
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  i was hoping this was some scarlet johanson nudes : feek
  • It could be good for high-qualify scarlet johansson nudes. : yoonix
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  booooriiiiiing : [fry]
  • Needs more bullets, eh? : action wombmate
• lego camera. my question is, do doubles of the regular camera parts plug into a 3d base to turn it into ... : Luminair
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  I don't understand anything on that page. : pancake humper
  • thank god im not the only one : HojuSimpson
  • Same here. : Ride-My-Rocket
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  haha, http://red.cachefly.net/13/page15.jpg : pyide
  • no disassemble johnny 5 : pancake humper
  • I want that just because it looks so damn cool : Lionhart32935
  • bring that shit out for a night on red river, 6th and 4th street in austin. demand 3d boobie shots from d... : XchumpoX
• I don't even.... look at the sensor sizes.... more lens options than i.... 28k what does that even mean.... : Wheatloaf
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  I have no idea what any of that means : mr.sleepy
  • MARKETING. BUZZWORDS. EPIC SCARLET. THREE MOTHERFUCKING DEE. : [fry]
  • The rundown : basically its allowing indie type production studios access to something that has been out ... : happynoodle
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  28k@25fps O_o : deviantpaul
  • That's 16bit 13 stops of latitude*, at 28000 x 9334 at 500MBPS. They're trying to take on IMAX? : Wheatloaf
• "The world changed today" Lol. : stump
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  For the uninformed: These are cameras that were announced today. A couple of weeks ago Jim Jannard, for... : Wheatloaf
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    Hell I'm more excited for you than I am for these cameras! : Phil
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      Not possible sir!!!!!!!!!!!! : Wheatloaf
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        INCONCEIVABLE! : CrustaR
        • i do not think that word means what you think it means. : hirez
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    when you say '225 MB codec', is that per frame, per minute of video or what? : TroZ
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      MegaByte Per Second... this wiki doesn't include the new ones announced this morning: http://en.wikipedia... : Wheatloaf
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        that'll fill up a hard drive mighty fast, seeing as how the wiki says 2 hrs of 4K video is 320gb. : riptyde
        • Yep. Roughly 1.8-2gb/min at 4K. A 2 hour magazine is unheard of in the industry. We typically dump the... : Wheatloaf
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    Nice camera no doubt. I've got an EX 3 and couldn't be happier tho :( The fujinon lens is a marvel. : icon_of_syn
    • How is it? Before today that was a pretty sweet camera! Is it the same codec as EX1? How is that codec... : Wheatloaf
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  Nikon Mount with the f/2.8 14-24 lens which is regarded as one of the sharpest lenses ever would make for... : gmd
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    We don't press for 'sharpness' in motion pictures as much as still guys do... but yeah, lots of lensing o... : Wheatloaf
    • If you ever take pictures with that thing, don't post the .bmp : Rag and Bone Man
• What a horrible website. : action roommate
• Epic Scarlet will make you it's bitch! : riptyde
• So can I use one of those to film birthday parties and stuff? : Ellissd
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  Incredible, can making porn become any more easier? : cjcharv
  • Of course : losimagic
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  Damn. A completely modular, high-quality digital still/video camera? Damn. : Arcanum
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    The modularity is so hot. : d fluke
    • Infinite upgrades as well. Now THIS part, which I didn't mention before, is EXTREMELY groundbreaking: ... : Wheatloaf
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  Camera nerds are only one step above WoW nerds in my book. : Saman
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    That's the dumbest thing I've read for weeks. Literally. : evildanish
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      ^^^^^^ Camera nerd : Cashh
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        I don't even own a camera. : evildanish
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          But seriously, anyone who has any sort of interest in the technical aspects of movie or television produc... : evildanish
          • They're EPIC? : locater16
    • i agree, and i dont own a camera. Camera's actually produce stuff besides BO and a taint rash. This mak... : papaskot
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    You pay for a subscription to download computer game files faster. : ShekkyBoy
    • Technically, yes, I get that...but I was really trying to give back to the community that has given me so : Saman
  • Because being an expert WoW player gets you farther than being an expert cameraman. : icon_of_syn
  • Your book needs work. : OwenButler
• If I actively reload this this properly does it give me a bonus? : Sailor of Fortune
• Pew pew! : electroly
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  I'm working on a movie set atm that is using the Red One and everyone is loving it. Super cheap camera fo... : graincloud
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    What are you doing on the shoot? I'm kind of surprised that 'everyone' is loving it. Most common compla... : Wheatloaf
    • No problems so far, had it covered out in the rain + cold weather and it is still punching away. The HD's... : graincloud
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  So what is the deal with ethernet? It looks like I can hook up my camera body via ethernet to a computer... : Wheatloaf
  • I think its as fast as it is on paper, which means about 7 GB per minute. : evildanish
• "RED and Adobe share the goal of enabling the most advanced tapeless post-production workflows in the ind... : Wheatloaf
• This link made my brain feel small. I am so lost. : Gwyndion
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  Well this will fuck up a lot of my work. (Film still photographry.) : jenisthebest
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    I disagree, sir! If you are a photographer you already have a digital system in addition to your film sy... : Wheatloaf
    • oh I meant film as in movies. Production and publicity and stuff. Everything is totally digital. But, ... : jenisthebest
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  I'm confused when they say that their dynamic range is 13 stops. Does that mean they can take a single im... : ashkie
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    That is the claim, yes. That is a subjective spec though, because you may consider that pixel to still h... : Wheatloaf
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      being a Nikon whore i must point out that the D3/D700 sensor is the best low light performer not the 5d m... : gmd
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        How can you say that when no final reviews have even come out on the 5D MK2 yet? : ashkie
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          plenty of early comparison samples : gmd
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            links? : ashkie
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              http://www.flickr.com/photos/erikfive/2868125472/sizes/o/in/set-72157607357934354/ Not a controlled test... : gmd
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                Yeah I would not go by that image. The 5d image looks like its a lower res and out of focus. : ashkie
                • And also the 5d has completely different lighting conditions to deal with. This is no comparison at all. : ashkie
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                more mp just lends itself to more noise, but higher mp sells even though I think 21mp is way overkill. : gmd
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                  I don't think 21 is overkill at all. I have the original 5d and I got a lot of good images out of croppin... : ashkie
                  • yeah, I'm going after it because I want better low-light sensitivity and higher resolution than my 40D, p... : the archvile
          • it is a trade off though for the higher mp. : gmd
      • That is surprising. Canon routinely has better noise performance in low light. : afrochops
    • RED ONE is no where near 13 stops. It's about 8 and a half. : midgetherder
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  Will the 28k be enough for filming my youtube videos? : sanchez
  • i think you can record an entire 10-minute youtube video in a single frame. : skryte
• The world hasn't changed, folks. The world will change when they actually start shipping any of this s... : heartsauce
• I'm guessing you need to donate your arms, legs, and a kidney to afford that thing (without a company pay... : DHAvatar
• Holy Hell, for the guy that gets stuff done I guess. : I7 SilverFox
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  ATTN movie industry: Please start filming everything with the 6K 100 fps one of these. : DinK
  • Oh shit nevermind, I just saw the "by the way" at the bottom. : DinK
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    you can't even see 100 fps : RikiTiki2
    • No, but it helps with bunny hops and rocket jumping. : Colleton
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      So what's the cutoff? In any case, better too many than too few. Everything runs at "too few" right n... : DinK
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        I like 60 but I'm no expert in the field : RikiTiki2
        • Don't get me wrong I'd fucking love 60. : DinK
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        It's debatable where it cuts off. Some would say around 70fps. Your vision is a lot faster at the perip... : midgetherder
        • I think I've seen the number 72 for some reason. I also really like what James Cameron is apparently doi... : DinK
        • I haven't done the online searching to confirm this, but: "The US Air Force has done tests with their pi : Bold
    • yes i can : virus
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      Riki, come on, wtf. Yes you can. I used to have this program that updated the exact same graphics at diff... : ieGod
      • film? not computer? : RikiTiki2
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      In motion picture photography we can record at x FPS, but we always always play back at 23.98FPS. That i... : Wheatloaf
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        so you record at 60? : RikiTiki2
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          I only record at 60 when I want slow motion. 23.98 would be standard speed. I did a little bit less tha... : Wheatloaf
          • ah, so you don't record at higher than 23.98 unless you want slow motion : RikiTiki2
          • 23.976, no? : Super Sparker
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        newsy? : sumo-hacker
        • Not Expressing Wobbly Shit Y'all? : DinK
        • Yeah, the frame cadence is too smooth looking. It's kind of hard to explain, but it looks very realistic... : Wheatloaf
    • Maybe not but you (or I) can see the difference between 60 and 100 fps. : ifallible
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  I think this announcement is a mistake, just as their NAB announcement was a mistake. None of this stuff... : midgetherder
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    How is it a mistake? They aim to ship the first Scarlets in Spring/Summer 09... that is soon. Admitte... : Wheatloaf
    • I like what they announced, but I think he may be saying they are spreading themselves too thin. They are... : afrochops
    • yeah, they definitely seem aggressive about not burning potential customers when they've got even more aw... : ttyRazor
• The show I was working on just wrapped last night and me and the DoP were talking about this for the whol... : grifter
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  Where is Serpico74 in this thread : Zero|DPX
  • Yes, I want his take on this. : Dechter
• /Begins saving for Nikon mount Scarlet. : lodit
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  The porn actresses are going to have to get a lot better looking quick : bolus
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    I never get these posts, when I look at a pussy IRL it is more than HD. : lodit
    • I don't know about you, but I don't really end up spending a lot of time *looking* at pussy in real life ... : Vincent Grayson
    • you know how you can sometimes barely make out some pimples in videos? Now you are going to see them in ... : bolus
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  what the fuck is that and why is it impressive? : arizona bay
  • nevermind. in other news, their website is terrible : arizona bay
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  Lol EPIC! : locater16
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    I think 28K qualifies as pretty fucking epic... check out the resolutions when compared to this chart: ht... : Wheatloaf
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      Chrome does not let me scroll that :( : indosauros
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        if you hold down mouse and drag it will (like you are selecting a bunch of text) : OmegaRed59
        • thanks : indosauros
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          lol, it let me go up, down, and right, but not back to the left : OmegaRed59
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            It lets you go in all directions if your window's not maximized. : Felraiser
            • Ahh, for some reason I thought it was because of my second monitor, even though it is on the right.... I... : OmegaRed59
          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBABFpAkJMM : Super Sparker
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  hahaha. no, we're not responding to the 5D MKII : vassili_zaitsev
  • Oh I don't think anyone on the video side takes the MKIII seriously... h.264 and 29.97 basically ruin it ... : Wheatloaf
• oh lord I've been waiting for this!!! : afrochops
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  looks pimp, its some form of machine gun? : mnok
  • No, it's a movie camera designed by EPIC. : Priest77
• But what if I need two quintillion two hundred and fifty four quadrillion seven hundred and ninety nine b : biofrog

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• I agree. I tried the demo yesterday, and while I wanted to enjoy it I just couldn't really get in to it. ... : phate81
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  Hate to say it but I agree. I played the 360 demo and it felt like my character was on ice. The movement ... : bozer
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    This game is immensely tactical. If you don't see it, you need to play with better people or on a harder ... : geedeck
    • Yeah I need to play it with people I know I guess. It didn't grab me right away though so I don't know if... : bozer
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  your mom's hype is way overblown : geedeck
  • nah, she's just blown out. : jo3
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  Did you try Expert? I'd have completely agreed with you if I'd only played Normal. I think it's the im... : Arceihn
  • I'll try it, but difficulty has very little to do with my complaints. : avatar_58
  • Yeah this is the exact same way I feel about the game : ErikTehRed
• Yup, not feeling it either. Levels seem short as hell too. if it was $20 I would probably pick it up jus... : Modulus
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  I agree about the movement but that just might be the x360 : chazums
  • This is the PC version, I don't own a 360. : avatar_58
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  the game feels boring at first. try playing with some shackers on expert and you'll get into it more and ... : lakren
  • It takes a little while to ramp up. You really have to max the difficulty. That's when all of the inter... : midgetherder
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  other FPS's have zombie mods. I dont know why people would pay for this one. : ultramega
  • most of those zombie mods are total shit. : Dschinghis Khan
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    Because this one does it better than any of them? : -efx-
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      $50 better? : Schnapple
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        yes : re4ctor
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          ^ I am with this yes : deject
          • people seem to forget how many games either don't have Co-op at all or just toss it in as an afterthought... : deject
      • No no no : progressor
      • $200 better. : Wisp!
• So you can only play the demo for 4 more days? That sucks : MaxPete82
• exactly what I thought, just didn't want to post and feel the shack wrath! i spent more time than I sh... : even4
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  I really enjoyed the difficulty, but I wish the pacing was more...stressful. Ah well it's only 2 levels,... : packav
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    that could be done by giving the players objectives to accomplish, ie zombie master, or having a time lim... : deathofrats
    • Remember as well that these were the first levels. In general games start out easier and get harder as y... : jbury
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    The pacing really depends on the AI director. Sometimes it's incredibly stressful, sometimes you go sever... : Vincent Grayson
    • This is also only a demo with 2 levels. From what I've seen on the different timed finales, you have to ... : DHAvatar
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  Serious Sam with better coop features? Sounds good to me! : CrustaR
  • Yeah I didn't mean that in a bad way. I just meant for a SS type game it seems awfully popular. : avatar_58
• That Zombie Master mod had more depth of gameplay than L4D There just isn't a lot of depth to the game... : deathofrats
• I agree about the meh-ness of the demo after reading/seeing all the hype... but I didn't really have a pr... : tangles
• I only hope the retail game with have some vehicles in it. : ShadowRam
• I want to get this game, only because I know it would be glorious with Shackers playing versus. But, I m... : grayscale
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  I think the biggest issue people seem to have is that amount it costs. Feels more like a mod to me then a... : crewmaac
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    I haven't played the demo yet but yeah - for whatever reason it just seems to me to be more of a mod and ... : Schnapple
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      People need to stop comparing the game /cost to OrangeBox. : Iwannaacura
      • Last year Valve released five games under one package for $50 This year they're releasing one game in ... : Schnapple
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        he was comparing it to the cost of TF2, which is completely valid. : deathofrats
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          TF2 also only shipped with six maps and none of the unlocks it currently has now : EvilDolemite
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            Which is why it was $30 and is the argument they are making about making L4D cheaper. : OmegaRed59
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              I'd say L4D ships with a lot more content and modes : EvilDolemite
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                What? I ships with 4 Maps vs 6 TF2 maps, and 1 Modes vs 3 in TF2. Yes yes each map in L4D has 4 smaller... : SlingBlaze
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                  It does not ship with 4 maps. It ships with 20 maps. It ships with 4 campaigns. Each of the map in it of ... : Wisp!
                  • ^^^ this is correct. : deject
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              L4D has a single player campaign, unlike TF2. : yosemiteclimber
              • Isn't the single player just the multiplayer but with bots? : Vincent Grayson
              • Single-player, co-op, and Infected. Twenty maps (five maps per campaign). Plus forthcoming free content... : EvilDolemite
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                I HATE this argument. A single player version of a coop game using bots to fill in the missing players i... : deathofrats
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                  I mean technically all the Unreal Tournaments were single player games as well, since you could play thro... : deathofrats
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                    UT is a good comparison. That game shipped with six modes, three of which were DM/TDM/Last Man Standing.... : EvilDolemite
                    • Well, and this is me defending L4D all of a sudden, UT shipped in 1999 when coming up with this much cont... : Schnapple
                  • I usually did too, I found it really fun to just stick 4 bots in a level and have at them. It's like a re... : avatar_58
                • But Left 4 Dead is a single player game with optional co-op mode!! : Mmmmmoo
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              Do you think you could get 10-12 hours of gameplay out of it? I'm willing to bet with online play and ev... : changejar419
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                haha so many shackers have well over 12 hours already.. with a 2 level demo and the other gameplay mode m... : lakren
                • Indeed. I've got 7 hours and I don't have much time for games these days. For a small 2 level demo, this ... : Mmmmmoo
      • I only saw a comparison to TF2 being $30. Also, why would people need to stop comparing this game with... : OmegaRed59
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    For the hours upon hours of entertainment I'll have with L4D with friends, the $45 is well worth it. : Link.
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      Also considering the updates we will be getting its worth it. : Iwannaacura
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        What updates are coming, and how much will they be? : Rag and Bone Man
        • Have they officially announced future content? I would love new scenarios and weapons. : Mmmmmoo
        • Valve has promised to roll out updates more frequently than TF2 and they will include: new weapons (flame... : Wisp!
  • I do believe it would sell many times better if it was priced more cheaply. Personally I've gotten n... : nem00
  • Yep - I logged into steam last night and saw it was $45 and said "nope" I'll wait for it to go on sale... : virus
• controls are flloaty because vsync is on by default. Thats the first thing I turned off. : .frame
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  Since the thread in ER is gone, is anyone else having issues with the game being way too damned dark? I h... : ColoradoCNC
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    sounds like your video card/monitor settings. : Iwannaacura
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      The weird thing is, this is the only game it happens on. S.T.A.L.K.E.R., FO3, CS, HL2, Spore, etc., etc.,... : ColoradoCNC
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        check your monitor for a dynamic brightness setting. and disable. : hirez
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          Would that be present on a laptop as well? I normally play on my Gateway, which seems to have no brightne... : ColoradoCNC
          • hmm. sometimes the laptops have a lighting sensor thing that will turn up/down depending on conditions. : hirez
• Yea, I wasn't that impressed by it either. Was fun, but no plans to buy it. : mwasher
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  I wanted to post similar feelings but didn't want the Shack denizens raining down hate on me for not liki... : spigot
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    Well you know me, leading the way for folks to post unpopular comments ;) : avatar_58
    • there's no room, nor love, for dissenters here ;) : spigot
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  I agree 100%. I tried it and it was somewhat fun but not amazing. I just can't get behind all the hype.... : OmegaRed59
  • I think they will shut down the demo servers, probably don't want to bother with upkeep. I just don't get... : avatar_58
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  The demo doesn't show us much, we're only getting a slice of what the game has to offer. There is no pla... : jingletard
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    Also the move to turn it off when the game ships is a bit of a dick move. : Schnapple
    • Totally.. it's a shame they didn't go all out on the demo, they're really holding back. : jingletard
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    Well hey I can only judge what they've given me. : avatar_58
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      I think they did a poor job on the demo, quite honestly. It's not the game itself, it's the presentation... : jingletard
      • I agree. If the infected is so fun to play, then why didn't they offer that as part of the demo? : deathofrats
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  It feels too much like a mod to me. Not interested in paying full retail price : Maarten Goldstein
  • yeah : Luminair
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  you guys are so wrong i don't even know what to say.. you will be proven so horribly wrong once the full ... : lakren
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    It will prove to me that it doesn't feel awkward, doesn't play like serious sam and isn't the type of gam... : avatar_58
    • YES! well, not about the awkward thing. I don't know why it feels awkward to you, controls feel fine t... : lakren
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    http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=17940618 : crockroches
    • uh warhammer has absolutely not fizzled out. it's died among the shack, but it's still has what, over 800... : lakren
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    We are wrong about our opinions of the demo? How so? The demo is supposed to be a representation of the... : deathofrats
    • i don't mean you in particular.. i'm just surprised by how many negative posts there are about a 2 level ... : lakren
  • That's a piss poor demo to have then. : Rag and Bone Man
  • lakren, I will only play the full version of L4D if dognose does! : CrustaR
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  I can't believe you guys are looking at this game as "not being worth the value." This is insane. :| : Rice-Rocketeer
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    Yeah, it's not like this is Mirror's Edge at $60. Sounds like some of these guys never played TF2, which ... : Link.
    • But it wasn't. It was $30. I hate this argument too. HAy guys, I would have gladly payed'd Bethesda $1... : deathofrats
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      I bought the orange box and only really ever played Portal, waste of money :( : aethyr
      • oh, not saying Portal was a waste, just that I would have been better off purchasing that separately. : aethyr
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    Well clearly something is up since a lot of really rational people who dearly love gaming have come to th... : Schnapple
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      It just boggles my mind that people aren't seeing the level of polish and hard work that Valve put into t... : Rice-Rocketeer
      • I think they're doing an experiment. Portal is a game every single gamer in the universe needs to own ... : Schnapple
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        I think it's mostly because many of us feel we got similar value out of a $20-30 product in TF2. : Vincent Grayson
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          I think there are probably a variety of factors in the price. Left 4 Dead was probably infinitely more ex... : Wisp!
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            I wish they hadn't spent any money on the matchmaking. That shit is awful and I really wish the game j... : Vincent Grayson
            • ~openserverbrowser : extrahappyturtle
      • Just because someone works hard doesn't mean I should pay them $50. Hell, I'm sure the people at Silico... : SlingBlaze
      • They've set a precedent with things like TF2 and portal in terms of pricing. That's the biggest issue, I ... : ieGod
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  was the complete opposite. I thought it couldn't be that great until I tried it. Running, Jumping clim... : bakanoodle
  • I blew them away. : Bingo
• i think l4d is more of an experiment on valves part. they're all about their scripted amazatronics, and ... : papaskot
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  I felt this way at first, and then I played it with a friend and two shackers and we had a blast trying t... : cdbeckman
  • If you ask me, any game you can play with friends is better than a game you play alone. : azenmaster
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  I agree with a lot of what you say. I really hope versus mode justified my purchase. :( : OverloadUT
  • Yeah that's what I am waiting to try. : hirosushima
• agreed. i didnt play it for that long before getting bored. though saying that my attention for games lat... : steve_o
• It is nothing like serious sam at all - there are 4 enemy heroes controlled by human players plotting aga... : jigstah
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  Like many other people said, try it at expert with friends. It's a totally different game. When you move ... : Bingo
  • I cant wait for the full version. Vs mode is going to be so cool, i watched youtube videos of people play... : Iwannaacura
• agree. it's a $20-$30 game : japoneez
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  I love how people pretend like there's nothing beyond the demo of one level in the game. Hell, you haven... : kainen1
  • Its all bandwagon here. Cant judge the game because of orange box. Think of this game was made by some... : Iwannaacura
• Did you play it with friends? DID YOU PLAY IT WITH FRIENDS? Seriously if you're playing it alone or playi... : aeg1x
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  L4D is gonna 0wn. : hirez
  • At least this game is actually coming out! : Trips
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  avatar and I were doing 2person pistols only on expert and were having a blast. We'd hear raids coming a... : thief
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    We didn't beat it -- yet-- but only because the witch had spawned in the minigun room. We defeated two t... : thief
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      The double pistols are incredibly powerful, I wonder if that's a mistake. : dkrulz
      • I'm with you, they are too powerful, I turn to them often. : kainen1
    • Those were awesome times. If only the witch wasn't there, we basically finished it. Taking down a tank ... : DHAvatar
• i definitely don't feel like paying full price for it :/ : biskits
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  Also, make sure to play it on a difficulty where you can die. If you're playing on medium or something an... : famine101
  • This is my point. The co-op gameplay emerges from cranking up the difficulty. It puts you in situations... : midgetherder
• I was a little on the fence the first night because I had shitty connection issues, but gave it a second ... : timaste
• i'm not really getting what the hype is about either. i'm going to give it more time this weekend though ... : Mansmells
• I enjoyed the demo but having played it right after beating Gears of War 2 does not help it :( : socksta
• i felt the same way until trying out a higher difficulty where it actually forces you to think a bit rath... : ballystix
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  Enforcing mouth smoothing in the options seemed to get rid of the floatyness for me. : Bamtan
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    You type with a lisp. : _jon
    • haha : NastyJack
    • haha damn, I'm tired. mouse* : Bamtan
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      Ok, I don't get it. : Freon
      • Fuck nevermind. : Freon
      • Read the thentence again : indosauros
    • hahaha : yosemiteclimber
    • Perhapth hith real name ith Igor. : Arcanum
  • ith it much thmoother now? : tangles
  • im scott malkinson and I have a lisp and diabetes : re4ctor
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    I had to read it 4 times to find the lisp : thekidd
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      When you thee it, you'll thit brickth : dognose
      • oh you bastward. : hirez
    • heck, I hadn't looked at the options and figured 'mouth smoothing' was a reasonable thing to have in the ... : Zakko
  • Thats what she said! lololol : thewindcriesmary
  • You have such a purty mouth. : Maddog_Delphi97
  • the floatiness I notice is the movement deceleration. it feels like you are stopping on ice, even though... : Luminair
• i bet you played it with no friends, you surely have none with such incorrect assumptions and statements! : VuduChild
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  played it tonight. or tried to. the FPS was SO bad. :( : malengine5150
  • jeez what rig you running? it's really conservative in it's system requirements, not bad at all : kainen1
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  I agree. Movement is totally floaty. I'm surprised and sad. It's not as good as I expected. : baconisgod
  • I know. I hate when theres lot of shackhype on something Im not digging. Oh well. its me though..there... : Cygnus X-1
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    what is this floaty movement everyone is talking about? it feels exactly the same as every single source ... : lakren
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      no it does not : Luminair
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        i've played enough tf2 to realize if it felt different, it literally feels exactly the same.. same thing ... : lakren
        • well considering each character moves differently in tf2, obviously you arent very sensitive to noticing ... : Luminair

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• Catcher in the Rye fits the bill. : helvetica
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  Silmarillion? : semaphore
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    Everyone agrees this is a very easy read. : zebosausamite
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      It was my first book I finished when I was 2 years old. : loboca
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        "See Morgoth defile. Defile Morgoth, defile!" : zebosausamite
        • HAHAHAHA : Marauder IIC
    • this book is pretty much the opposite of a page turner. you'd have to be REALLY interested in the univers... : erotic sock
  • I didn't like it so much. : azenmaster
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    It reads like the bible. The duller, more uninteresting bible. : cerealSAM2
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      I actually loved the Silmarillion, but I know it's often seen as a pain in the ass to read. I think it's... : zebosausamite
      • the pain is trying to read that, then immediately jump into the Book of Unfinished Tales. : pharoah mike
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  1984 : retardhumper
  • One of my favorite books ever. : Ormsbee
  • Already read all of Orwell. I love his stuff. : baronzemo78
  • Agreed : WhiteHatVeteran
  • best book ever : razorblade79
  • I love this book, but having recently read it with my girlfriend, I think it just depressed her. : WaterSign
• That sounds kind of fun but man I'd never do that with my fiancee. She reads like 3 books a week, where ... : Begawkiness
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  The 'Dark Materials' Trilogy by Phillip Pullman? I got through the 2nd and 3rd in a 2 week holiday and... : nodebug
  • This is a pretty good one, and can lead to some interesting conversations. I read it last Winter and pas... : zebosausamite
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    First one's the best, though. 2 & 3 get a little fervor-ish. : cerealSAM2
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      Really? Thats the one I struggled the most to get through as it seems the most like a kids book compared ... : nodebug
      • I think if he'd explored the themes from the 2nd and 3rd book in the first book, he never would have had ... : cerealSAM2
  • ^ this. : mlev
• Ulysses : Tommy Toolbag
• a day in the life of ivan denisovich - awesome book. basically details a day from sunrise to sunset in a ... : mindmann
• Starship Troopers : Bull
• Dashiell Hammett detective novels are easy to read and the best of their type. 1984 is a good suggest... : azenmaster
• Ghost Rider One, The Last Of The Breed : woodchuck70
• White Fang : malengine5150
• The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky It is long, but I loved it. : unjustend
• Watchmen is on Time magazine's best one hundred novels of all time (since 1923 or something) : cerealSAM2
• kurt vonnegut is always a fun read! slaughterhouse-five is great, so is sirens of titan and cat's cradle... : aurealis
• All Creatures Great and Small : action roommate
• The Giver. A Wrinkle in Time Series. : zakazi
• Breakfast of Champions, 1984, A Clockwork Orange. : Dschinghis Khan
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  JPod : GodZilly
  • I liked this, but I liked it a lot more when it was Microserfs. : Majuju
• Breakfast at Tiffany's : woddemandred
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  audible.com sir. : m0rfus
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    audio books? really? : the city
    • yes, with three kids and as much driving as we do, these things are awesome! : m0rfus
    • Audiobooks fucking rock : OverloadUT
  • also check out overdrive.com, if your local library is supported, the audiobooks are free. : reznory
• hustler : [7]kami
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  Notes From Underground, Candide, To Kill a Mockingbird : DonkeyPopsicle
  • Notes From Underground is a good one. Really any of Dostoevsky's longer books are a good choice. : re-verse
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  fahrenheit 451!!!! : anthonybean
  • ARGH : I7 SilverFox
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  I don't remember how long Fahrenheit 451 is : I7 SilverFox
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    It's not long : skinlab133
    • They'll burn through it pretty quickly. : SinistarX
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  Of Mice and Men, Cannery Row, the Old Man and the Sea... or just about anything by Steinbeck are good rea... : beastrabban
  • Seconding Steinbeck. They're not too long and the writing is good but still easy to read. : nurglich
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  Great Gatsby, Wuthering Heights, Of Mice and Men, Moby Dick : alnya
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    Fuck yes Great Gatsby : snowwolf
    • ever see the King of Queens episode where Carrie was supposedly reading the Great Gatsby? hehe. : reznory
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  Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell. It's Great. : thief
  • Took me a while to get into that, but once I reached the half-way point it was wonderful : alnya
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  Everyone should read Catch-22. How can you not. It's a fantastic book. It would be a feather in your c... : mmogger
  • Win for Catch-22 reference. : Dontdrop
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  Catch 22 is one of my favorite books. My vote is for that one. : bcyde
  • Seconded : Dontdrop
  • Thirded. : Damodred
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  Herodotus, Othello, Homer : sjpeters79
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    Othello is my favorite work by Shakespeare but holy cookies is it ever sad. : helvetica
    • I think Hamlet is my favorite because I still don't understand it. : c0bra
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  Heart of Darkness : notd665
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    The man said "not super tough". But I agree because HoD is awesome. : getfrisky
    • I would like to get frisky with you, fellow HoD loving manz. : notd665
• Bartleby, the Scrivener. Its just a short story but I'll be dammed if I haven't thought about it at l... : getfrisky
• Cider House Rules : CRasterImage
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  To Kill a Mockingbird : CRasterImage
  • ^^^ This : midgetherder
  • How To Kill a Mockingbird : ZTac
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  Moby Dick is a fantastic read : c0bra
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    except for that whole "whale documentary" chapter. have to love how 19th-century authors had no problems... : Postal
    • There are several cetology chapters and they're all very much to the point. You fail Moby Dick. : lechuck59
    • Yeah I mean, come on, people in the 19th century should have just looked all that stuff up on wikipedia i... : deathofrats
    • You've never read Neal Stephenson have you? : c0bra
    • and after all that, he still categorized whales as 'fish' -_- : nrgXs
• Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood : fishbone
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  The Prince. And then you can run power plays on each other all winter long. : Totenjaeger
  • Already read that book and loved it but it was a tough read. : baronzemo78
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  As always, I'll take this opportunity to warn people to never, ever read the sequel to Catch-22. : SiW.
  • Unfortunately read and loathed. : Dontdrop
• World War Z would be fun to discuss. : Modica Sol Solis
• The last book (and only book since I read about a million times as much as she) the gf and I read togethe... : qwpeoriu
• Slaughterhouse 5 is a fantastic book : glio1337
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  Watership Down. A bit longer, but worth it. Catch-22 also gets another vote. : gnomish
  • Looking over at my shelf I also want to recommend The Little Prince. It is a fucking amazing book, and v... : gnomish
  • Watership Down is one of my all time favorites. : baronzemo78
  • Watership Down is wonderful. Anyone who has not read it should. : nevicata
• The War of the Roses : happynoodle
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  Atlas Shrugged : nem00
  • I tried to read it online and got really really bored so I just read chapter summaries and it was much be... : baronzemo78
  • are you trying to get them to divorce? : malengine5150
• mr nice : steve_o
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  Brave New World, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep... : sugarwaffle
  • Brave New World was a great read : nrgXs
  • Brave New World was pretty cool. : royalally
• Well, I always suggest these... Roots by Alex Haley. The Jungle by Upton Sinclair (Uncensored Origi... : Nixx2004
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  Catch 22 got old fast and I couldn't finish it. Catcher In The Rye was good. 1984 and Brave New World a... : Zero|DPX
  • I thought Count of Monte Cristo got boring with all the French Politics crap later in the book. : baronzemo78
  • The same thing happened to me with Catch-22. Eventually it just got repetitive and I tired of it about h... : HojuSimpson
• The Alchemist is probably perfect if you both have not yet read it : grandmasterlee
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  Anything by Neal Stephenson. In fact, read all his books, starting with zodiac , work your way through th... : ysbreker
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    I haven't read zodiac yet, but chicks who dig classics usually like The Difference Engine, and The Diamon... : nem00
    • I think zodiac is his best book. : ysbreker
• I just started Catch 22, it's awesome. Also I agree with the people that posted To Kill A Mockingbird. ... : reznory
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  Hemingway fits your specification well. The Sun Also Rises? : Hyper-r3v
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    Also why is everyone suggesting challenging works when the OP is asking for lighter reads? : Hyper-r3v
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      I wanted to do "For who the bell tolls" but my wife said it sounded to depressing for winter. : baronzemo78
      • Watch the movie - its really good. Gary Cooper and Ingrid Bergman. : trOmblyj
  • Half my post got cut off, but I agree with this (I was going to recommend this). Pick up Hemingway's comp... : qwpeoriu
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  This isn't really a book but rather a short story. It's called You are the Demons. You can read an exce... : CrustaR
  • Why read the book when you can watch the movie? http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=47297 : lechuck59
• (NWS?) http://www.amazon.com/Make-Love-Like-Porn-Star/dp/0060539097/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1... : losimagic
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  The Moor's Last Sigh by Salman Rushdie. : GreatGooglyMoogly
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    how is that book? I read the satanic verses recently and enjoyed it. : itsjames
    • I liked it more than The Satanic Verses. It was over 10 years ago though, but I doubt I would think diffe... : GreatGooglyMoogly
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  Phantom of the Opera (very different from the opera or movie) Frankenstein : theargent
  • Oh, and The Three Musketeers. Which is an easy read as it was originally a series in a newspaper, so it h... : theargent
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  New-ish but The Road by Cormac McCarthy. I'm going to start Blood Meridian tonight! : Rampancy
  • yeah, I read The Road in 2 days, couldn't put it down. Awesome book. The sense of despair yet not givin... : reznory
• All of Raymond Carver's short story collections are fantastic. : Orange Pylon
• Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions is a quick, interesting read. : patd
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  add Animal Farm to my suggestions. : reznory
  • Seconded this was a great book and pretty short. : woodchuck70
• Tortilla Flat : dumb.
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  Vonnegut's novels are always interesting reads with plenty for you to discuss. I think Breakfast of Champ... : WaterSign
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    Sirens of Titan would have a lot of philosophy to discuss too. : twifosp
    • Yeah, that's a pretty good one too. : WaterSign
• Any book of Ray Bradbury short stories : dognose
• Les Miserables was also one of my favorite books. : bcyde
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  Vote Catch 22 but if you are open Geek Love was a good one : hrdwregk
  • Was Geek Love about a circus side show? : woodchuck70
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  The Prestige is a great book, even having watched the movie. : chungathebunga
  • Ooh, and Three Musketeers is awesome as a book. : chungathebunga
• i'll add another Stephenson recommendation to the pile. he's my wife's favorite author, proof that girls ... : cpt_gloval
• These have all been mentioned so far but my picks (for entertainment, easy reading, and classic status) o... : gyrfalcon
• Till We Have Faces. It's a good story to "talk about", and it's one that the wife will most likely not m... : exigence7
• Do some Shakespeare! As You Like It, Midsummer Night's Dream, The Tempest, King Lear, all great stories. ... : AxeMan808
• Read "American Gods". The book is, in my opinion, an instant classic. My roomate and i both read it and ... : shwortdogg
• Finnegans Wake : stgulik

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  hahahaha good to know : DrFlammable
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    You should have seen avatar, c0bra, khan and I. It was great. We triggered the alarm and dashed into a ... : thief
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      It hit the wall because I lagged when trying to throw it right below the hole in the ceiling. : c0bra
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        You just suck at throwing things. I remember your attempts at frisbee. : thief
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          cobra : throwing things :: thief : rocket jumping : zerog83
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            That is low. : thief
            • cobra : throwing things :: zerog : quake2 k back to paper. : thief
• Oh damn! : yosemiteclimber
• That's was absolutely incredible. Also I want to note that I hit him in the face with a molotov from 30 y... : c0bra
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  Also those doors on the subway cars that you can't open and the regular zombies can't open......... yeah,... : vile
  • Yeah I've fallen victim to that. : yosemiteclimber
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  Note: Tank on fire will slowly die... Molotov this mofo and run! : ArtilleryMarker
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    Dude has 8000 hit points, you will have to run a marathon before he drops. : Nighteyes
    • It's actually not that bad, fire burns through pretty fast. As long as you're running and firing, he goe... : DHAvatar
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      Well you still shoot it but you run at the same time. : ArtilleryMarker
      • Yeah, I usually just jump in or on train cars to kite him as he gets slowed by climbing up or running thr... : Nighteyes
    • PP, AM, and I observed this last night. IT CAN HAPPEN. : dopeman
  • If you score a direct hit with a molotov, will it not create fire on the floor? : spiderfill
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  I would hope so. fire a couple of those high explosive shells or use some big chains and tear it out : RikiTiki2
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    wait this is a context less left4dead post goddammit : RikiTiki2
    • Don't feel bad. I thought pretty much the same thing until I read vile's post. : Arcanum
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  Also note, a witch won't die when hit with a pipe bomb. It only pisses her off. : stgdz
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    Molotovs work wonders on her though. : Wisp!
    • In my experience, you just get killed by a flaming witch when this happens. : Agrona
    • BURN THE WITCH!! : magistersmax
• this morning on advanced we had just survived flipping the switch on auto-coiling door. We make it up the... : kevp
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  The Tank can also punch through concrete columns, splitting them in half : kevp
  • Yeah, a great strategy is to take the tank to that dark room full of columns and just run around them whi... : Nighteyes
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  What is the Left 4 Dead shackgroup ? : DM7
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    http://steamcommunity.com/groups/shackdead : Dusty_Slim
    • Can someone invite me? It's my firm intention to love this game like Kevin Smith loves fried chicken ... : Gonzo
    • Invite me!!! : Rice-Rocketeer
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  Note: Sometimes after the witch kills the first person that provoked her, if no one is firing upon her, s... : DOOManiac
  • Does anyone know if you run away from her, will she give up and sit back down at her original spot? : Nighteyes
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    I set that bitch on fire and she ran right passed lakren, cobra, and surgeon who were all shooting her an... : .frame
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      Yeah, she always goes for who sets her off, not just the closest one she sees. : DOOManiac
      • It would be so much funnier if she went for the nearest person instead of the person who pulled aggro. : Gonzo
  • I usually let that fucker die and leave her alone. It's like a tax on stupidity. : brickmatt
• HAHAH, that is good to know. : hirez
• I need some people to play this with...add me! : MilkDud
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  I want to like this game so much but these codetards really fucked up with the lack of being able to cont... : mega man
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    try the servers listed in my profile : hirez
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      Alco23's also got one: http://www.shacknews.com/profile/Alco23 : Arctic Fox
      • noted : Mmmmmoo
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    type openserverbrowser in console if u havent =\ helped me find decent servers : jane911
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      When's the last time you did this? Any server I try to join from the browser disconnects me, even with th... : heartsauce
      • like an hour ago? : jane911
      • yea im having this problem too : mega man
• that was fucking awesome, we were like "I wonder if he can get in here, then sure enough BAM! well that a... : Dschinghis Khan
• Yeah, I found this out last week. NO ESCAPE. : heartsauce
• He can also pick up slabs of concrete and throw them through the little terminal buildings. Where the att... : K1Bond007
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  I have YET to run into anything but Hunters and Smokers. I've never even seen this Witch that everyone ta... : Juno
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    Try playing on expert or whatever the hardest difficulty is if you haven't! : DrWaffles
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      That's the only way I play! I take my undead invasions seriously, as a zombie apocalypse is no "easy' tas... : Juno
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        Witch/Tank only spawn on the 2nd level and its not 100% spawn rate for both of them, but usually one or t... : Nighteyes
        • And occasionally a witch spawns and while you're walking around her with the lights out, a tank smashes i... : Vincent Grayson
        • Try both, it seems like almost every time I run through. Fuck. : famine101