Evening Reading

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• Check out http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=18424794#itemanchor_18424794 : kazanma
• I have this game but haven't tried it yet. I have this small stack of all my impulse buys while I'm stil... : TwiLyght
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  Added. Accept my request, bitch. I'm sure Bozer, ThomW, ieGod, and razlebol won't mind if you add them ... : treefingers1
  • Roboto! Please add me. : Grandmoff
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  mines paracord, add me for lbp! : xxiv
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    You mean that the XXIV I had for months on my PSN friends list wasn't you? lol : razlebol
    • lol nope, it was taken :( : xxiv
• kill-9-all i really should play more ps3 : kill9
• yay, a PS3 buddy! add Aurelian here please : Postal
• ebu0 (I think, maybe I just used Ebu) (depends on if it was open; I've always done the inviting so I'm ... : Ebu
• You should add me, probably. I'm away on business for the week but I'll be doing what Sackboys do best wh... : ieGod
• add sirus2400 too : Sirus2400
• Thanks, for the Wal-Mart tip. Saved me 100$ but cost me 400$ oh well. : hirosushima
• Add grayscaleDX also :D : grayscale
• LordoftheJujubes --> : walker270
• AlexXdude! : AlexXdude
• slip72 : slip42o
• mittense! : mittense
• Ottagonian : dengar65
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  • i just added everyone who put a name in this thread, so check your msgs : .ka`boom.zZz.
• hirezSHACK : hirez
• Tripps : Tripps
• v0mitg0d (in zeros) : warcrow
• protoz : melkore
• grumbeld : Grumbeld
• Dimmona : Dimmona
• markys99 : Wiimope
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  Got a PS3 today as well! Add BaronCalico. And add "Baron Calico" on XBL too if you like. : kallanta
  • Add a shitload of you (from both threads), but I know I missed a few. I'm tired. Sleep now. Add me. : kallanta
• razlebol : razlebol
• DonnieBlasko -> : Mr.Fusion
• nodezero : node
• everyone add inc77 not lbp related but does any shackers play resistance 2? : inc77
• I wish I had LBP yet. You can still add me, Bamii, for other games like MotorStorm and Fifa 09. : Bamii
• treefingers1. Kinda late, I know. Still, add me you bastards. : treefingers1

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• I thought the intro was pretty ingenious. : hirez
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  Yeah, I don't get your complaint on the intro at all. : Conan
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    They could've atleast given me the option to skip past everything. I tried mouse clicks, space bar, ente... : mobab
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      No, I'm thinking it was better this way. : Conan
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        I didn't enjoy it. Let me allocate my points and drop me into the world already..... : mobab
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          here's your problem: you're rushing. take it easy and enjoy the game. : dirge23
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            It's not that I want to rush, I don't really care for all that flash and jazz. If I had to sit through a... : mobab
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              "I've read maybe 4 lines of dialogue" That sounds like either a) Not enjoying the game b) Rushin... : TShandy
              • Dialogue boils down to this: Me: What is your quest, and how can I make the most xp off of you? I en... : mobab
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          if you neeed to rush through the game, this sort of game isn`t for you. : Skoal^Fyfan
          • It's amusing to read those comments from people who enjoy the game (and it is a solid title) defend it wi... : kamarov
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      I totally agree. I thought the intro was fun but it's annoying to have to do it every time you want to st... : datoo
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        Why not just load up a save game from when you exit the vault? Before you leave you can change all your s... : Chris Remo
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          Yeah you can do that but you'd still have to restart if you wanted to change how you acted in the vault b... : datoo
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            God forbid they make you read the manual. : Trips
            • manual? what's a manual? : datoo
          • the baby book on the floor pretty much spells out SPECIAL : reznory
        • Yeah, I thought about that too, but I accidently overwrote that save game. haha. That was my fault. ... : mobab
• Lol. Video game Enlightenment. Wtf. : Malku
• do you play MMOs? : EvilDolemite
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  Negative nancy? : glio1337
  • Debbie downer? : voodooraze
• I bet you thought the Tram in Half-Life was too slow. : thecray
• Sounds like a personal problem. : Kaerof
• Sounds like video games just aren't your thing. I recommend you try out Scattergories or Balderdash . : Sgt_Boomstick
• Which one of you was having more fun? : NexusOne
• The fire ants were pretty tough for me because I was about level 4 and didn't have a whole lot of ammo fo : deject
• Was your Halloween costume a "Turd in a Punchbowl" outfit? : CRasterImage
• Debbie Downer? : Mansmells
• You can skip the GOAT test. Just pick the dialog options that avoid taking the test, and the teacher wil... : LemonJoose
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  Those ants are pretty ridiculous especially early on. : bolneze
  • Yeah, they're way tough without the proper equipment. Need a decent hunting rifle and a ton of ammo for ... : ]aratex[
• You're a jaded fuck, he's a normal happy person? ;) : cdbeckman
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  Sounds like you're playing the game for numbers, and he's playing it to enjoy exploration and being immer... : DinK
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    Oh shit, that's what I was looking for. I couldn't explain to why I wasn't as enthusiastic as he was to ... : mobab
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      I can bounce back and forth a bit myself. Like in Fallout 3 I'm very much about exploration and checking... : DinK
      • yeah, I find deciding on equipment and numbers and stuff the most fun. : mobab
• I just finished that quest. Good stuff. : Fredrik S
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  your friend sounds like an idiot. : xxiv
  • What a fool, immersing himself in a game he's loving. : DinK
• Cynical Carol? : MaJeStu

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  Haven't we had this conversation twice now? Get the Panasonic, since it has much better image quality and... : Bold
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    the room the tv is in has windows on the left and right side of the room with white blinds, so lots of re... : CoRDS
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      ours dont have the thx stuff either : CoRDS
      • No product "has" THX. THX is a (meaningless unless you pay a sound engineer to set up your room) certifi... : batkiwi
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      There are very few Aussies here, so you're not going to get the info you want about Aussie-only TVs. Agai... : Bold
      • i think there are less aussies there than here :( ive been reading AVS forums a lot lately : CoRDS
  • yes, listen to this guy. : malloc
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  No Samsungs in the mix? : ant_hillbilly
  • i dont like their plasmas. id love to get the 55inch 9 series, but its almost $6k here, the 46inch 950 is... : CoRDS
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  Brand snobs blah blah blah. As a brand, all I hear about LG is bad talk about how it's the cheapest made ... : hankyJR
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    everything here only seems to have 1yr except the samsungs that have 2 : CoRDS
    • The shop will extend this. Don't buy the LG without anything less than 3 years... and I'd probably go 5. : hankyJR
    • the panasonics have a 5 year free warranty in the UK, if that's any help : jcupitt
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  there is an american nonprofit organization with the mandate to help the common man. they buy products w... : Luminair
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    on xmas sales With plasma TVs, look for price cuts of 20 to 30 percent. A 50-inch 1080p set will sell ... : Luminair
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      I eagerly await the price dropping wars, they must have a LOT of inventory : Downforce
      • our dollar dropped a lot, so word is that even tho with the economic crap , the prices might go up for a ... : CoRDS
• i just subscribed to choice magazine online (like consumer reports, but australian) and they gave the... : CoRDS
• I love my panny plasma and have owned it for 1.5 years now. I did a lot of research when I bought it and... : c_man_tmt
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  can you get the Pioneer Kiro? http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTV... : fatman
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    they are over $5k here : CoRDS
    • oh. well.. there you go! : fatman
    • which is actually cheaper than in the US if you factor in exchange rates :P : aeg1x
• Awesome! Pretty much the complete opposite of my Samsung 46" LCD ;) : biofrog
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  UPDATE: bought the panasonic. got $500 off the price and free delivery. now all i need to do is find some... : CoRDS
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    play-asia sells cheap hdmi cables : fsck
    • yeh not with the current conversion rate : CoRDS
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    monoprice.com for all your cable needs : MikkleThePickle
    • Australia. : razlebol
  • http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=hdmi : aeg1x
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  Why plasma? I have never seen a plasma tv that I liked, always seemed blurry and screen tearing. Kinda l... : Nighteyes
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    because a good 50inch lcd is horribly expensive here : CoRDS
    • Ah yeah, then no problem if cost was an issue. : Nighteyes
  • You havnt seen a good plasma then. The new panasonics are awesome. : historyinthemaking
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    The cover of my latest home theater mag has the tag line "LCD Strikes Back!" This is because Plasma has b... : DarkWolf5
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      That's untrue. The only problems with LCDs are blacks and contrast. Even the cheapo LCDs have a 178 deg... : batkiwi
      • But the colour / blacks / contrast all change with viewing angle, or they do on all my friend's LCDs anyw : jcupitt
  • You haven't seen a Pioneer Kuro then. Best flatscreen consumer display, hands down. : Serpico74
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  Plasma = Panasonic. : Bamii
  • plasmasonic? : CoRDS
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    My dad's new Panasonic plasma is awesome. Great picture quality. But the remote control makes me want to ... : [7]kami
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      I have to disagree with the quality of Loewe flatscreens. I feel you pay a lot for the design, while the ... : Bamii
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        What? Please walk into a Loewe store and watch their LCD's & plasma's in action. Their color and picture ... : [7]kami
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          Ok, when we're talking 2700+ euro you have a point. But damned... 2700 euro... I bought my 37 inch Full H... : Bamii
          • Agreed. The price difference is way out of control. But the remote control is as it fucking should be... : [7]kami

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  C64's ruled, Atari punks were looooooosers. : drucifer
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    guess again, squirrel lover. atari 800 4life! : beastrabban
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      whatever, nice graphics... NOT : drucifer
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        hah! atari kicked C64's ass in all aspects including graphics. : beastrabban
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          I have one word for you SID : drucifer
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            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_SID : drucifer
            • Sucks that they screwed the later revisions of the 64C in that respect. : eldersveld
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  I had a TRS-80 color computer 2 and an Atari 800. That shit was rad. : reznory
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    Hey my trash80 buddy! That was my only computer at home until 1994 I had all the separate addons too :( : Frozen Pixel
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      me too lol, that shit was hella expensive too. : reznory
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        remember copying CBASIC programs out of that stupid ass magazine? : reznory
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          Yes! And my grandfather actually got me the programming book for it too. : Frozen Pixel
          • type in shit for hours then that fucking cassette fuck up when you tried to load the program haha : reznory
  • I had a TRS-80, then upgraded to the Atari800 XL, then bought an Atari 130XE....that machine was awesome ... : mikefr24
• the Apple II had slots bitch uh-huh that's right EIGHT of them http://oldcomputers.net/pics/appleii-t... : eldersveld
• I had the Atari 1040 ST...it ran Gem DOS, so gay to think about now. But it did have a cool paint progra... : Saman
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  Vic-20 coded in ASSEMBLER dammit. That was hardcore. : Thresher
  • Been there, done that. Loved my Vic 20. I knew that cpu inside and out. In some ways, my 10 year old self... : baron calamity
• i loved airball on the atari ST ... : GloriousCow
• I had the same machine. I never really used it for anything other than games but I spent a ton of time o... : Horn
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  The ST was such an under appreciated machine, I wanted one so bad. Cheaper than an Amiga but just as coo... : Halen
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    The ST was neither just as cool nor just as powerful as the Amiga :p : Toraz Chryx
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      23 years later, the same fucking argument still lives on! : biofrog
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        It's not even an argument, the Amiga was a faster architecture. the end. : Toraz Chryx
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          The custom seperate chips definitely made it faster for most software developed specifically for the Amig... : Halen
          • woo, an 8Mhz 68000 instead of a 7.14Mhz 68000! bfd! Bring on the 68060's at 50Mhz and we'll talk! : Toraz Chryx
• I had an ST that ran the Mac OS from roms I removed from my mac. Just because I could. : freqq28
• O shi...I think this was a sham post to track and eliminate the oldest Shackers. : freqq28
• TI-99/4A for life! : Clone42
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  i never understood this, what did ppl do with those old ass computers? : papaskot
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    program stuff, experiment and go holy shit when you brought home your game that was purchased in a shady ... : Frozen Pixel
    • Wanna feel old? My son is doing driver's ed and he's already picked the college he wants to go to. Geor... : reznory
  • Pretty much what I do now. Get online, play games, mess around. : baron calamity
  • Until I started using my Commodore 64 to pirate games - I must have been eleven or so - I didn't really u : eldersveld
• My computer progression: Some nameless mini-computer w/a teletype & paper tape reader/punch in HS Ata... : Colleton
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  The Amiga 500 was better. EFF U. : orgcaptainnemo
  • I grew up with a C64 and upgraded to an Amiga 500 while in high school. So many fun games on both systems... : ShoCon
• Atari ST user here! Before that Amstrad and Atari 2600. : randomposter
• I too had an Atari ST sir. I played Time Bandit, Mudpies, and Sundog. : spazzium
• I salivated over the STs at the local electronics store when I was a kid in the 80's. I couldn't afford ... : LemonJoose
• Atari ST user here, argued with my friends over which was better every day It was an awesome system : jbury
• I had a c64, it was great for gaming because so many people ported from Atari and other similar systems. ... : cygnus
• Atari 1040STFM represent! : JohnnyDanger
• Atari 800 here, definitely loved Silent service, along with the classic star raiders, hardball, karateka,... : sergeon

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  You do know this is a GAMEing forum, not GAYming forum, correct? : historyinthemaking
  • taking pride in your appearance is GAY LOL : fotografico
• nice : askedrelic
• ^^^ PANTS ^^^ : GloriousCow
• ok : opengl128
• JEANS :D : Chepito.
• Ok, those don't look bad. : freshyk
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  sweet vest : re4ctor
  • if you love macs : Ace417
• anything that sounds like a car, and is not a car, and is actually jeans, should not exist i'm friends... : draconic
• Is that a Mervyn's brand? : sixfoot6
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  What? One soak? 1 additional wash? Ok what is the difference? : Melll
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    Initial soak (in a tub) when brand new to shrink the raw denim to size (varies between brands/cottons). W... : DooBall
    • The last part.... : randomposter
    • What, I don't even know where my jeans came from. : plunkymeadows
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      Something about the whole "not washing" thing undoes all the cool that you got from doing it yourself for... : KxRook
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        its really not that big of a deal... : pandastrong
        • ...in the 1700s. : batkiwi
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          Considering the amount of sweat, bacteria, and other random nonsense jeans are bound to collect with or w... : the city
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            it's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Thousands and thousands of people do it, and so far, non... : aaarrrgh
            • Haha, have you ever heard of habituation? As I recall correctly, it's pretty easy for you to get accus... : the city
      • It's so gross IMO to not wash jeans after weeks of wear. : Fred Garvin
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      my jeans don't last years... they get holes in them way before that : OrkO
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        That's because most mainstream denim is terrible terrible quality compared to raw denim brands. : aaarrrgh
        • That's not going to bother anybody though if it's 1/10 the price. : DinK
        • And it might also have to do with the fact that cheap jeans get washed all the time and people don't worr... : DinK
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  I do know what the hell is up but all brands of jeans being sold in india...lee, levi strauss, pepe and t... : vikramwillrock
  • do not know* : vikramwillrock
  • Are you sure you're looking at men's jeans? : DonkleyPunch
• did you jump ship? : sandcrab
• whered you get the belt from? : Konquest123
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  I just recently made the jump from 501's to 514s, and I am loving it. That is about as far as I'm willing... : braaains
  • My god your nuts can breathe ! : Mondo
• Looking good! I think I am going to wash my flatheads again soon : wtf242
• theres nothing samurai about those pants : Dravenport
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  what in the hell.. are Jean threads here to stay? : happynoodle
  • hahah i was just thinking the same thing. it was gay to begin with . . . . : jedi_27
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  I found this brand the other day, they looked good. bought a couple. http://www.langstons.com/levis-je... : snuff
  • Why can't their be light (faded) washes : Mondo
• How many hundreds of rape dollars did those cost? : Fred Garvin
• lol : TaintedSyringe
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  Wait, you haven't washed your jeans in 7 months? : batkiwi
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    Is that not the most disgusting shit you've ever fucking heard? : the city
    • yes : jodiuh
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      the amount of grime and dead skin in those jeans must be terrible. : xxiv
      • Soon there will be shops whose purpose is to detail jeans like cars. Forums will sprout up where they wil... : Slowtreme
      • goddddd : the city
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  from the picture it looks like your pants are too long and baggy for you. You should buy the propper siz... : retardhumper
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    Size wise they look fine stylistically to me. It's not washing your clothing for 7 months that has me ... : the city
    • At least DooBall is the right username for him. : DrZettl
• BOWLEGGE'D : CRasterImage
• I'm trying to imagine the situation... "Hey Harold, I'm going to go over and stare into the corner for... : Splinebastard
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  Those are dope. I'm not really a samurai man (I prefer skinnier fits right now), but I did always love ho... : aaarrrgh
  • although with that being said, I am, for some reason, considering the f380 as my next purchase. and that'... : aaarrrgh
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  Do you... like... WORK in these kind of jeans, and then not wash them? I mean, if I didn't wash my jeans ... : Juno
  • This must be your first ridiculous jeans thread. Let me help you. These motherfuckers have magic ball... : weaselmeister
• how much? : wetard
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  What a horrible vest. : thief
  • Worked for McFly... : Ride-My-Rocket
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  Can someone explain to me how you can go that long without washing your jeans. I wear mine maybe 3 0r 4 t... : voodooraze
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    Do you fart in those things? : voodooraze
    • you don't even breathe : Slowtreme
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    You "feel" dirty. See this http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=18426748 Smell from sweat is probably t... : askedrelic
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      If I'm living in the woods I don't give two shits about my appearance. But when I work in an office and g... : voodooraze
      • I'm not sure logic will prevail in a discussion with people who don't wash jeans for 7 months. : the city
• spend some of that jean money or the money you saved on detergent/water and buy some shoes. : reznory
• I just love how these nice jeans are the ones that aren't done yet, and that have to be babied and not wa... : DinK

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  Haven't seen the new Heroes yet. What do they do? Bring back Adam? Bring back Matt's dad? : dodob
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    No, it's a flashback episode that involves finding out Angela isn't evil at all, neither is Linderman. No : Vincent Grayson
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      Was Elle the elfen chick with persuasive powers? I forget. : dodob
      • No, Elle is the lightning chick who tried to kill Sylar a few episodes back and ended up accidentally fre : Vincent Grayson
      • Elle is Kristen Bell's character. :| : dodob
      • That was Eden McCain. : elwood00
      • she was so hot : lordlobo
    • The new Heroes was good I thought :\ : dodob
    • If Angela or Linderman aren't evil at all, why did they proceed with the NYC scheme after they took out P : kek
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    good news is that they killed off the african :o NO MORE AFRICA! : dantastic
    • oh fuck why did i do that, nuke plz fuckballs :( : dantastic
• I watched the latest 2 episodes of Terminator and I must agree, tonight's was a huge step up. I'm about t... : skankcore
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  Heroes two weeks ago will be my last. I can't waste any more of my life watching that spew. I do need to ... : djkenohki
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    Terminator from last year is so much better than this terminator. This terminator is too annoying and too... : brickmatt
    • The real plot isn't very interesting though, because we already know how it ends. : Vincent Grayson
• I've liked Terminator throughout this season. It's on a tough night and ratings don't reflect how good it : Reavers!
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  Yeah tonight was a great episode. : whistler
  • Damn you guys. : dodob
• I loved this episode. : DarkWolf5
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  ... what the hell. John Connor wears mascara. : dodob
  • He also resists your rules, man. : elwood00
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  How do you guys watch this shit? Heroes might be fast food TV crap, but this is garbage. : dodob
  • I dunno. I quite enjoy SCC. I guess I just like the franchise that much. : TShandy
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  can you retcon something if it's a flashback episode? : Clay
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    You can retcon anytime. Even in prequel movies. : elwood00
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      what's retcon? : xxiv
      • Retroactive continuity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon : mechanicalgrape
      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity : elwood00
      • Midichlorians are pretty much the textbook definition of a retcon. Oh that spiritual and sueprnatural 'fo... : eskimo spy
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  I'm sick and tired of the "OMG OH NOES" moments because pretty much every fucking one of them are reverse... : kek
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    Oh, and last night, Hiro loses his powers and now he and Peter don't have any. Whatever. The two most p : kek
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      Better be. Hiro still has a dinosaur to fight. ;P Arthur shouldn't need his power, though, as he shou : genom
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        I didn't see that as being about getting the power but about keeping Hiro from having it. : elwood00
        • Could very well be. Depends on whether he can leech a power he already has or not. : genom
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  Heroes sucked so bad : jokemon
  • Seriously. Flashbacks, more like we make up bullshit for an hour to kill some time. : askedrelic
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  Its become a soap for nerds... unfortunately. : jasoncrowley
  • Just like every superhero comic out there. It uses exactly the same hooks, the same plots. And I'm not ta... : dodob
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  The thing I don't get with Heroes is (this season spoiler) if I was a evil ass like Peters dad, hell bent : Frozen Pixel
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    Even Hitler didn't think he was evil. Evil is a point of view. He's doing what he feels is necessary an : kek
    • I would still kill him and take out the only guy who could stop me. : Frozen Pixel
  • he can't. how could he take the haitians power when the haitian just being present would stop that : dantastic
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  I gave up on Heroes at the start of this season. Bad guys are now good, good guys are now bad, the future... : VictoriouSecret
  • I blamed Jeph Loeb for last season and this season's mishaps. : MurrayTheSkull

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• Those damn decepticons! : jonin
• damnit Jim. I'm a doctor not an electrical engineer! : Cheeziologist
• phoenix will rise again : jayares
• Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! : DrWaffles
• hey, it was only projected to last 3 months, it found ice, clay and perchlorate. all in all, job well don... : hirez
• ....no.....noooooooooooooooo : hirosushima
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  RIP little buddy :( : darkT
  • It dug up Gilligan's corpse, resurrected him, and killed him again!?!?!? : RomSteady
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  these ITS DEAD posts and the article headline are jarring to me. it totally misses the point, focusing o... : Luminair
  • Serious post is serious. : Ebu
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    THIS WAS A TRIUMPH. I'M MAKING A NOTE HERE: HUGE SUCCESS. IT'S HARD TO OVERSTATE MY SATISFACTION. : trOmblyj
    • Best use of this song quote evar. : Zhaneel
    • Well done : halophoenix
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    But the probe and I are in love. : whistler
    • You love the probe. : cerealSAM2
  • Many of you feel bad for this lamp. That is because you crazy. It has no feelings, and the new one is muc : sgtsanity
• Fuckers didn't send a jacket along to keep it warm : ateam311
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  sad, but they did get a lot more use out of it than they planned so that's awesome : derelict515
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    The 2 rovers Opportunity and Spirit are STILL going. They were only supposed to last a few weeks I think,... : Slowtreme
    • this is a perfect example of how NASA today hasn't lost its abilities. : fatman
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      Whoa, I didn't know they were still going. That's unreal. The amount of abuse those things must take. Too... : ArB
      • NASA's car would last 100 years, but also cost 100 million dollars. : Priest77
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        Voyager spacecraft's been sending data back to Earth since 1977. Amazing. : Flynn
        • We'll find it again one day. * V ' G E R ' D * : Super Sparker
    • yea, that shit blows me away. I couldn't build a robot to operate in my yard for 5 years, let alone on ma... : NexusOne
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      The only reason this one's about to conk out is that it's solar powered, and it's at the pole that's abou... : Gonzo
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        I didn't realize Mars had snow or moisture in the atmosphere : Reeves
        • The ice will be frozen carbon dioxide, not water. It's going to be REALLY cold. : ZTac
        • The Phoenix lander sent back pictures of SNOW falling. On MARS. : DinK
    • I was just watching "Five Years on Mars" last night, think I recorded it on the Nat Geo channel. I hope ... : DinK
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  we have to send in the world's best deep core drillers : Downforce
  • Aww hell naw, we'll have to send in Will Smith. : Priest77
  • They'll need a planet cracker ship! : datoo
• Its just slepping :( : thewindcriesmary
• the aliens got to it. : jono181
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  If you should die, die in winter... : the archvile
  • http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=P3DTZeEiRdA : mem
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  This and Michael Crichton in the same month. :( : pigvomit
  • Wait, WHAT? How the fuck did I miss that? Fuck. : whistler
• The rovers are still working though. Amazing they've lasted so long. I can't believe it's been almost 5 y... : edgewise
• wall-eeeeeeeeeeeee : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  "when it made a brief communication with Earth": This is Phoenix... signing out. See ya fellas...... *cra... : SlamDunk
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    more like "Generating thanks.txt...." : smegmar
    • I have the sound of a dot matrix printer in my head for some reason. : zakazi
• ::sniff:: It was a good run, though! : halophoenix

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  Obama just got done pushing Bush to bail out GM, and Bush resisted it. : bostrov
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    The election is over, he can stop pandering already. : MagicWishMonkey
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      Bush wants a free trade agreement with Columbia signed (yay free trade!), and offered to bail out GM if O... : bostrov
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        Isn't Obama fine with trade agreements as long as there are some strings attached (stuff like workers rig... : MagicWishMonkey
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          Actually, that's true. It wasn't mentioned in the article I just read, but it was mentioned that US union... : bostrov
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            Yea, I still don't really know what to expect over the next four years. I'm cautiously optimistic that he... : MagicWishMonkey
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              My massive pessimism is turning into a cautious maybe-he's-not-so-badism. I think his heart is in the rig... : bostrov
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                His fans are what I'm really worried about, to be honest. It makes me nervous that so many people ador... : MagicWishMonkey
                • Obama Jugend! : cerealSAM2
        • Yes, that is what he said during the debates. He was arguing that Columbia wasn't doing enough to protec... : TShandy
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  So we just print funny money now? I'm a GM fan but if they fail, it's their own fault. Quality has fall... : melkore
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    GM has 266,000 employees. If they fail, that's bad news for them. : yoonix
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      Bad news for the broader economy, as well. And I say that as somebody who has zero sympathy for the Big ... : Ride-My-Rocket
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        Indeed. GM's failure alone could push us towards 7%. : yoonix
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          True unemployment is already above 7%. : mancide
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            Link? The highest figure I've seen to date is 6.5%. : Ride-My-Rocket
            • http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/official-unemployment-numbers-hide/story.aspx?guid={F26627B9-8332-4... : yoonix
      • Yeah, the supply chain impacts would be huge. : bombay
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      266,000 employee's that are killing their company through unions and huge pensions. : melkore
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        Its not the union works fault that GM decided to continue to build and big gas guzzlers and SUVs instead ... : raspu2n
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          It pretty much is. They were forced to keep union workers employed based on contracts. Trucks were the to... : Slowtreme
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            So you think reliability has nothing to do the dominance Japanese car manufacturers. Its all the unions f... : raspu2n
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              Reliability hasn't been as big of an issue in recent years as some may think. People still care about the... : ateam311
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                Reliability is my first (by far) concern when buying a vehicle. : TShandy
                • I'm suggesting that consumers pay more attention to the cosmetic aspects of a vehicle these days than the... : ateam311
                • Not how many cup holders, what is this? : bombay
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                  It's easier to put more effort into a single vehicle when you can double your manhours spent on assembly ... : Slowtreme
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                    You're likely right, but my consumer history is such that it would take significant swaying factors to ge... : TShandy
                    • As I approach 40 y/o I've had a significant number of vehicles over the years. I've only had one vehicle ... : Slowtreme
            • Reliability is a non-issue. Cheap labor is. : Slowtreme
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            Oh wah, if the auto makers didn't like the contracts, they should have bargained harder. You don't like ... : Hiro
            • And then have no workforce, and idle plants. : Slowtreme
    • ya but not for me : jokemon
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      the government doesn't go around bailing out large groups of smaller failing businesses who together empl... : DonkeyPopsicle
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        That's because an equivalent number of small businesses aren't failing en masse because they made retarde... : Ride-My-Rocket
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          really? Businesses fail all the time. I bet if you look around the country in one year, you can find at... : DonkeyPopsicle
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            Auto is a special case. I don't know about failing or not, but Auto in America is a special case due to t... : bombay
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              that's actually ignoring my main point, which is the number of people employed by the industry is irrelev... : DonkeyPopsicle
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                You argument falls apart, because the supply chain IS geographically spread. That just as arbitrary as sa... : bombay
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                  I don't see how that affects my argument one bit. Smaller companies have supply chains too, and they are... : DonkeyPopsicle
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                    Saying they are too big is very similar to saying they are geographically close. If one is arbitrary so i... : bombay
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                      that's exactly my point; it is arbitrary, and the economy soldiers on even when other businesses fail. G... : DonkeyPopsicle
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                        I think that's where we're getting off kilter. I am talking about GM + Supply chain (many portions shared... : bombay
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                          and those distributed businesses have supply chains too (aggregate them and you'll get something similarl... : DonkeyPopsicle
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                            Reading skills, I am not talking about saving it. I am talking about more thought than Fail / Save (preha... : bombay
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                              Bail them out, but require GM to split the component brands into separate companies? There's something... : Arcanum
                              • A la AT&T twice, save for the monopoly difference. : bombay
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            A GM collapse isn't limited to their large number of employees. Consider how this affects the companies t... : yoonix
            • but that's also the case with these distributed smaller companies (not necessarily the paradigmatic "smal... : DonkeyPopsicle
      • Don't forget the MASSIVE business segment that relies solely on the American auto industry. It's huge. : mace
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    GM dying would probably be good for the auto industry as a whole in the long term, since it would allow r... : phate81
    • Agreed. We'd be much better off pouring money into developing cheaper, cleaner types of fuel. It wo... : Ride-My-Rocket
• Instead of a tax return this year... everyone gets an Aveo. : tsuba
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  I know not everyone watches this site 24/7/365, but these posts stating shit like "well fuck 'em, they ha... : ateam311
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    I don't like the idea of giving money to people who failed. In a casino if you make a bet and lose will ... : jokemon
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      I can't even take this post seriously. You made it obvious above that you're self-centered, so why in the... : ateam311
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        It's not a terrible analogy, businesses should be allowed to fail regardless of their size. : skitzo
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          If you want to run with the analogy, then let's take it seriously for a moment. If I was to place a bet a... : ateam311
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            There is ALWAYS a risk when running a business, why should the government have an obligation to bail out ... : skitzo
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              The government doesn't have to feel obligated to do anything. The car companies are putting in requests f... : ateam311
              • It is way more than 200K - The supply chain impact would double or even quadruple that number. : bombay
              • Yeah, but there is nothing to guarantee that GM will change it's failing business model once they are bai... : skitzo
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            That's what Chapter 11 (I think) bankruptcy is for. : Arcanum
            • You're right, it is, and that's the route GM, Ford, and Chrysler (if they don't get gobbled up by someone... : ateam311
      • There is nothing wrong with being self centered sometimes. I just don't think they deserve other peopl... : jokemon
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      IF YOU SEE A GUNSHOT VICTIM BLEEDING IN THE STREET DO YOU TRY TO HELP THEM : FlatlineDixay
      • Only if you are a Scientologist - you know, you just know. : bombay
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      hundreds of thousands of directly related jobs, and unforeseen indirect consequences don't depend on your... : reznory
      • Obviously you have never played in the high rollers area. : rosewood
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    let's see, GM and Ford aren't really that great at making cars, so let's give them money conditional on d... : DonkeyPopsicle
    • Hey it worked for the finance industry! Oh wait....... : phate81
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      You're one of the many people that would love to think that GM made terrible cars. This isn't the 80s/90s... : ateam311
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        the point is that some element of the GM business model isn't working (be it the cars, the labor contract... : DonkeyPopsicle
        • Well, if this ends up being the case, then hopefully the government will actually make the right decision... : ateam311
  • Yeah, great govt oversight on the $700 billion $2 trillion the Fed. Govt. has dished out so far, the reci... : Tommy Toolbag
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  Most businesses would be allowed to go bankrupt, and then restructure their debt and contracts to be more... : jimmy-buffett
  • Say hello to mandatory 14 hour days on minimum wage and once a week the execs get to come by a random emp... : skitzo
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  Let them burn. Toyota or Honda or someone will buy up the usable parts and come in and increase productio... : mancide
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    what's the point of increased production when the shit that's already made isn't being sold or can't be f... : reznory
    • Toyota and Honda seem to be selling fine. Toyota could even buy the plants to retool them for more Hybrid... : mancide
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  If people weren't getting paid 60 bucks an hour to do something they should be getting 25 bucks an hour f... : sweat
  • agreed : jokemon

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  i think just about everyone likes the old ones more, honestly. : .ka`boom.zZz.
  • I dont at all. I like that they made their models more unique - the suit and tie, the biker vest, etc. it... : jigstah
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    I prefer the newer ones myself. : skankcore
    • I'm with you. : thejay247
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  how does the black guy have more character looking like that? You can tell nothing about him except that ... : aeg1x
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    also I will say that I think the basic characters do leave a bit to be desired. I mean a black guy in off... : aeg1x
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      DLC for sure : EvilDolemite
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        fuck I can't wait that long. I'm going to mod a granny in asap. Who can do a good granny voice? "you g... : aeg1x
        • throw in Cole from GoW2 and L4D would be so much better. : .ka`boom.zZz.
        • Do this, it will be awesome - I'll even animate for you :P : jbury
        • i read this as tranny : Mmmmmoo
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          Please let it be A. Sponge. : BlackCat9
          • I sound just like my grandma when I have a cold. It terrifies me. : A Sponge
        • "I'll shoot him in his toodles!" : deject
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          "Granny's out of cookies, children, she only has hot lead!" : Fyunch Click
          • ^^ Please include this one. : ImageOmega
        • "Dont all rush in at once, dearies!" "I was in the war!" "Button up your shirt, you'll catch your death... : Beady
        • 'I just shit my diaper.' : pancake humper
      • someone should mod in a really gangster black guy. hed be my favorite. also a mexican construction worker... : Ace417
• Hmm. Well the biker looks more rough and grisly, but the black man looks more stereotypical 70's. : EvilDolemite
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  They were changed because the game is supposed to be about recent survivors, not grizzled ones who have b... : mikecyb
  • Yeah, I prefer the variation of the character designs they have now. : -efx-
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  The only thing I like about that is the fact they have belts for ammo clips. I always wondered where the... : Nighteyes
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    For the guys, it's obvious, right? : Rice-Rocketeer
    • Is that 400 rounds of ammo in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? *wink* : nodebug
  • she had a double mastectomy and now uses the replacements as storage. : Fyunch Click
• lol, they look like HL2 NPC models who aren't main characters. The new models make them seem more huma... : Sailor of Fortune
• Probably changed them to make them stand out from the zombies more. Brighter colours, less dirty clothes ... : Splinebastard
• Stylistically, I think I like these designs better...but gameplay wise, the new designs are a million yea... : Rice-Rocketeer
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  HIJACK: What do people have their film grain set at, or do you guys just switch it off? : jbury
  • A bit lower than default. I leave some because it hides the aliasing and other imperfection. It's also th... : razlebol
• Biker is better, black guy isn't. Louis looks exactly like Tony Todd in the Night Of The Living Dead 90's... : NastyJack
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  you can always gauge how politically correct a developer is by their characters. you have: 1) a nor... : rektify7
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    Are you saying that all the black people you know IRL wear fubu, gold chains, a grill, and hi-tops? Reall... : Serpico74
    • I think he's saying that developers shouldn't be politically correct, and should instead stick to racial ... : jbury
  • If you think this is funny, you should try switching on the evening news sometimes. The choice of anchors... : Arctic Fox
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  When's the non-pay demo coming out? : te[R]ror
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    Today! I think it's about 4 hours away : jbury
    • Wow, thanks. Didn't realise it was today. : te[R]ror
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  After seeing them in motion and playing the game. I prefer the new ones by far. : razlebol
  • I was going to post that. Although the old design seems to fit better to the story and environment, the n... : Nitrium
• Haha, the black guy looks like he's a direct copy of Chris Partlow from The Wire. : d0gbert
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  I don't, nothing stands out about them, they're dull and generic. I don't think the redesign improved it ... : nodebug
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    I kind of.... don't really care. I barely ever see them as I'm so focused on the zombies. My only awarene... : jbury
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      Oh definitely, I'm usually gawping at how awesome it is that 30 zombies are tearing around a corner tryin... : nodebug
      • I only started playing this morning... I pretty much shit myself when walking down an empty road and acci... : jbury
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  I enjoy the new Obama look better. : ImageOmega
  • brains we can! : connor
• I cant stand the voice acting on the old guy. Its just poor. Can hear it in the first 30 seconds here: ... : Beady
• It just hit me who the old guy looks like. He looks exactly like the old Russian dude in Gogol Bordell... : magistersmax

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  nfs isnt really known for being a realistic driving sim : arizona bay
  • just IMO of course : arizona bay
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  I'm most looking forward to them yet again redefining how bad one can make rubberbanding AI : derelict515
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    ^^^ This. Fight the real enemy! : skinlab133
    • Agreed. Catchup's the worst feature in any racing game. : jodiuh
  • Yep. Saw a commercial last night while the roomie and I were watching the 49ers suck a cock and I pointed... : ateam311
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  Did that guy just refer to NOS as "nahhhz"? O' dear... : hoopfam4
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    it's bad enough that NOS has become the generic term for Nitrous. The Fast and the Furious has spawned an... : zerog83
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      Speaking of gearheads, I watched Top Gear s12 e01 last night. Pretty good stuffs. : ateam311
      • I was laughing pretty hard while watching some parts. And this post just reminded me I forgot all about ... : DinK
• anyone with that hairstyle needs to be punched : skunk_ape
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  why is a Playstation 3 developer using a Xbox 360 controller? : Mmmmmoo
  • bluetooth controllers are secretly the cause of PS3's framerate problems. : reznory
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  As someone who hates racing 'sim' games; this entirely unrealistic approach to handling is why I can some... : InfoBiter
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    ..this is the real reason NFS is so successful. That and Cops....and the entertaining/cheesy stories. : Sgt_Boomstick
    • I'm serious here, the best NFS was the first one. My brother and I would seriously get on either side of : royalally
  • Since all I play are sim racing games, I am saddened that ppl don't enjoy them. Obviously it's difficult,... : cygnus
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    Yup. Most Wanted was fucking awesome, looks like they're back on that formula after some duds. Sounds fun... : node
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      NFS had semi realistic handling. This looks like just a big WTF : retarded talking dinosaur
      • err, most wanted had semi realistic handling. you managed it by going slowmo : retarded talking dinosaur
• I really need something new to use my 360 wheel with, so screw it, I'm getting this. : festivalman
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  Carbon was a terrible, terrible game. The attempt at including a gritty plot failed miserably and comple : deject
  • Underground was fun but the series peaked with Porsche Unleashed imo. It was really a different sort of g... : dooberzoo
  • Except the cops were shit in Carbon. They were SPOT ON in Most Wanted, really tough to shake. Carbon w... : node
• you know what the first oh fuck this game is awesome moment was for me in the original nfs? one of the fi... : synapse19
• Honestly, the NFS franchise seems to be stuck in a HUGE rut. They continue to use the same horrid physic... : Q-ball
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  NFS has been garbage since NFS3.. : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • NFS3 is one of my favourite games ever. I've never really liked any of the ones after that. : marmite
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  The first one was pretty good - since then, god knows what they're trying to do. : alnya
  • the original Road & Track presents Need for Speed was one of the first PC games I ever bought. The Viper... : reznory
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  They get up to 100mph or so in that video and it doesn't feel like 100mph at all. Burnout, and F-Zero ... : antareus
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    Needs more Ballistics. : node
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      ^ the only choice for true virtual speed addicts : SlamDunk
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        Shame the barriers get insanely hard to avoid really quickly, but it's definitely the fastest racing game... : node
        • haha, yeah. it becomes a game for jedi's only at some point. : SlamDunk
    • I still want to find one of those few arcade machines running that game. Doesn't this look awesome: http... : SilverSnake
  • One NFS game had motion blur when you got really fast, that was pretty neat, too! : Sebasti0n
• I miss the original NFS. Remember the Road & Track mini-docos they had on each car? That's when NFS was a... : TastyWheat