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  I hope this is better than Atari's kidney stone : drucifer
  • I hope it isn't. : laurgasms
• Do they know? : TastyWheat
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  Several weeks ago I started my own company. The goal was simple: make games. It's been a lifelong goal of... : spl
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    I'll do the digging so everyone else doesn't have to- his game is Refill, it's on the iPhone App Store, a... : cdbeckman
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      Not coming up on search for me :( : Slowtreme
      • http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=293000002&mt=8 : sikander
    • Thanks everyone, so much! I was really worried about posting this here, but obviously I had it all wrong.... : spl
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    awesomo, I hope you make some moneys : drucifer
    • ditto! : thekidd
  • nuke? more like +inf : redfive
  • Congratulations and good luck! : notd665
  • link for the lazy: http://nthproductions.com/ : sikander
  • also, good luck! : sikander
  • Congrats! That's amazing! : felicia
  • That's pretty rad; good work and good luck in the future. : mittense
  • Awesome! Congrats & good luck w/ the sales. HERE IS A FREE PRODUCT IDEA: http://www.shacknews.com/lar... : DOOManiac
  • bravo! about 3 years ago i said fuck working for the man and took up a freelance web design career. as of... : jo3
  • congratulations for taking that big step and making something yourself ... and more congratulations for g... : qsylvr
  • Congrads! Hope it works out. : baron calamity
  • that's awesome : SockMonkeh
  • Congrats to you man, I hope it all works out! : DM7
  • Congratulations! Wish you the best on this. It's always great to see people achieve their goals, especi... : nurikabe
  • Congrats, I love moving rows of jewels/blocks/whatever, bought! : Serpico74
  • Awesome man, congratulations! : SiW.
  • Congrats. If I had an iPhone I would love to play it. I share a similar goal someday. : graceofdragons
  • right on dude keep making them! : xxiv
  • congrats, and ^^^ buy this app, help a brotha out! : Postal
  • awesome :) congratulations man! : warpdude
  • Congrats. What sort of artist are you looking for? : deathofrats
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    congrats! also purchased since i need a new game to play : Mmmmmoo
    • btw. the in-game achievements are a nice touch. more games need these things.. i kept playing motion x po... : Mmmmmoo
  • awesome! : Antilles_Prime
  • nothing wrong with pushing your project... I'll be doing that with my project too when it's ready! Con... : mnok
  • That's really great! Keep following your goal man, I hope it turns into your day job! : randomjgj
  • That's awesome man, I guess a lot of people here share this dream (me included ;) ) - hope you make tons ... : razorblade79
  • Ugh, now you got me interesting in doing this. I haven't released a game since os/2 warp came out. : baron calamity
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    Very cool. Kudos to you. Have you looked into either using Unity or Torque for a more 3D game in the futu... : gooblerampling
    • I actually AM going to be looking into what's available engine-wise. Right now I've been brushing up on m... : spl
  • Very cool man, congratulations on your first game! : MagicWishMonkey
  • Nothing better than working for yourself. Congratulations!! : alnya
  • Congrats! : ZeroSignal
  • Thats awesome man. Hopefully this will take off and you can do it full time soon :) : carazy
  • Huge congratulations! : Fredrik S
  • Congrats man! Way to chase your goals! : senseimoron
  • I just got myself a copy, not just to show some support but because it sounds like something my girlfrien... : jbury
  • Is this Bejeweled? : Porkasaurus

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  The problem is that Indy was more or less irrelevant to the third act and that it had some horrible stupi... : randomposter
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    I didn't think it was a problem. All those movies were cheesy. A lot of the CG was unnecessary but it did... : pyide
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      The slave kids tied into the overall theme of the movie (fortune and glory at the cost of identity, peopl... : randomposter
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        Oh god you are one of those. :( I'll never understand how anyone could like ToD more than Last Crusade. I... : pyide
        • I could write a lot to explain why but when it really comes down to it the Ford and Connery dynamic is th... : randomposter
      • Did someone forget those fucking ants? : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaXxxB44Bus : Visceral Monkey
  • Yeah, I saw that episode before I saw the movie and laughed, but after seeing the movie I just don't get ... : pyide
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  The trailers made it seem like it should be titled Live Free or Indiana Jones. I haven't seen it and I... : Sailor of Fortune
  • Indy IV does not have the same sullying effect that the prequels had for me over the original trilogy. If... : randomposter
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  i completely agree. all the haters are just internet nerds that don't remember how cheese filled and unb... : Korban
  • It has nothing to do with believability and all about concept and execution. : randomposter
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  i hate this argument so much. it's not the aliens, it's not the god thing. it's that the movie had no c... : FrayLo
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    There was plenty of character development with Jones coming to grips with being douchebag's father. Not t... : pyide
    • i've already posted way too much about this fucking indiana jones movie. obviously we disagree but i'll ... : FrayLo
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      yea that coming to grips took all of 3 lines of dialogue dont change the fact that the story, executio... : -=kodiak=-
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        YES. FUCK. EXACTLY. He was like "oh yeah ho hum this fucking crystal skull i guess i'll go get it, i g... : FrayLo
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          me mad me mad because i wanted this movie to be so good and it was so disappointing : FrayLo
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            Darabont's biplane sequence in the script gave me a goddam hard on : randomposter
            • that script is still sitting in my gmail inbox waiting to be read : FrayLo
            • See, most of the script was great but of course Lucas/Spielberg had to fuck it up. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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          wouldnt a crystal skull THAT large be you know... heavy as fuck? hell i can go upstairs and go pick up... : -=kodiak=-
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            yeah the skull prop was pretty crappy :( I think they mentioned that it was lighter than it looked thoug... : mikecyb
            • Yeah. I'd compare the properties of the skull to that of a hoverboard. I heard those were real too. Maybe... : pyide
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          because he had no reason to care. once he meets Mutt for the first time all he gets from him is "oh man : mikecyb
          • well at least indy should have cared for another adventure, mystery of the skull and all that. It's like ... : -=kodiak=-
    • Tell me what development there was there. Other than the pretty funny flip on the college attendance, the... : randomposter
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      Pyide, there is no need to become snippish just because you're willing to settle for mediocrity. : lightly inclined
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        I'm not settling for anything, I just don't understand the blind hate. I have a hard time watching the ol... : pyide
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          its not blind hate, i'm pretty sure i watched the movie : FrayLo
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            Maybe you should rewatch the old ones sometime. They aren't that good either. : pyide
            • Oh no... : lightly inclined
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              Raiders of the Lost Ark is the finest action adventure movie in existence. : randomposter
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                Nuh-uh. Goonies! : pyide
                • Slick Shoes! : pyide
            • dammit pyide i liked the old ones okay? i've watched them recently. they are hokey in their own way but... : FrayLo
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              Don't cross that line, pyide. If you walk away now, I can accept that you liked a crappy movie and we can... : brickmatt
              • Okay I'm just trolling the movie sucked... but so did Temple of Doom, damnit. : pyide
• I liked Indy 4 just fine until I saw it : dognose
• Its the power of God, or something. Mystical. Magical. OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE SPIRITS FLOATING AROUND l... : cap n KRUNCH
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  Naw, it was average at best. I agree with Fraylo here. Temple of Doom, for all it's faults, had memor... : lightly inclined
  • P.S. Kaliiiiimmmaaaa! : lightly inclined
  • Hey, I said not bad, not great. Would that be average? Fuck : pyide
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    Plus ToD had incredible action scenes. All the stuff in Shanghai is genius and the mine cart chase/faceof... : Serpico74
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      Precisely why I rate ToD higher than TLC, I watch Indy for awesome action adventure and the comedy beats ... : randomposter
      • SO FUCKING GOOD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my-mnBbCI7g : Serpico74
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  Okay seriously. You know that scene in Raiders, near the beginning, where the government agents are info : EvilDolemite
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    They weren't that bad. Everyone has heard those myth about how some other civilization helped the ancient... : pyide
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      One fantasy has like 2 billion people behind it and is ingrained around the world. : EvilDolemite
      • Now I like Indy 4 even more. : pyide
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    THAT SCENE WITH THE BLACKBOARD WAS THE BEST!!! OMG WHAT AN AWESOME MOVIE!!! : Serpico74
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      Seriously, I'm going to fucking watch Raiders right now. : Serpico74
      • SOB you got me going too =( : Sailor of Fortune
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        Where's the fucking Blu Ray? : randomposter
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          http://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Indiana-Jones-Complete-Collection/dp/B000NQRE9Q/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&col... : xxiv
          • omgggggg : randomposter
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      I love that spooky music they play : EvilDolemite
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        I'm with you :( : thekidd
        • I thought I heard that cue a few times in Indy 4. They totally fucking ruined it though, now I can't ... : pyide
      • I love the physicality in how everything gets explained, Indy turning over the blackboard to do his drawi... : Serpico74
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        Daaaaaaa-doooooo-dooooo-daaaaaaaaa-dooooo-doooo-daaaaaa-dooo-daa-dooo-daaaa-dooooo I especially love i... : randomposter
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          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEbQKTYeDis What I've always loved about this scene is that it's done w : eldersveld
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            Yeah that's the thing. Raiders is camp at times but they know when to get serious, and that particular m... : EvilDolemite
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              The music, the sunlight creeping inexorably into position, a slow pan up Harrison Ford looking eerily lik... : eldersveld
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                That's it I'm watching this movie by the end of the week : EvilDolemite
                • I wasn't fucking around, I just finished watching it again. It is unbelievable what a perfect movie it is... : Serpico74
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            man, this scene is great : FrayLo
            • It's funny how every Indy 4 thread devolves into how great Raiders is..maybe 'cause it's like one of the ... : EvilDolemite
          • I impulse bought Raiders at Best Buy a few weeks ago when I was picking up Rock Band 2 and this subthread... : mikecyb
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            Too long, audiences won't watch it, also people are uncomfortable with long periods without dialog, and t... : 60days
            • Yeah everyone hated that film, what a snoozer : Chris Remo
          • Fantastic : fishbone
• Just finished watching it. The movie is such an unbelievable piece of shit I am still at a loss for words... : NoCopy
• Pyide's opinion, however imh it maybe be... is wrong. : devi| dog
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  I still don't get it. This sort of the response I was expecting, and I was fully expecting to hate the mo : pyide
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    I think the problem is that you started off in the wrong foot about what you think people hated. : randomposter
    • Well everyone together seemed to hate every single aspect of the movie when all was added up. So I ju... : pyide
  • when I first saw it I didn't really start to dislike it until they got to the jungle. I was even okay wi... : mikecyb
• I agree with you. For what it is worth anyways. : Galadriel07
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  I agree with you for the most part. I actually liked Crystal Skull more than Temple of Doom. IMHO it goes... : thetangent
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    All people who think Last Crusade is better than Raiders are mentally deranged and most likely child mole... : Serpico74
    • You're a big fan of hyperbole aren't you? I like the Connery/Ford dynamic. Bottom line. I also find the w... : thetangent
    • While I think Raiders is a better movie, The Last Crusade was much funnier, mainly because the Connery/F... : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  fuck all this talk makes me want to watch raiders again.. i think i will in a couple of minutes : -=kodiak=-
  • I did! It was worth it! : Serpico74
• Indy always stuck to a religious theme in some sense, so yeah, and I will go unspoilered with this shit, ... : Mad Brahmin Disease
• Uhm... I don't have a huge problem with the plot itself, even though it was silly. The problem is the fac... : ramshot
• the movie was entertaining, Cate Blanchet's constant switching between trying to do a russian accent and ... : dfz0r
• The only part of the whole movie that felt like indy to me was the scene with Indy and Le Beef in the sod... : cerealSAM2
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  woah. WOAH WOAH WOAH. hold up a second. an fridge? : stamps
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    pretty sure I typed out an icebox then deleted it without correcting that :( : pyide
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      In Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, you could find mayonnaise in an icebox : Chris Remo
      • I never finished that game. Last thing I remember was a hot air balloon. : pyide
• i loved temple of doom but it was the first indy i saw so it was my introduction to indy. : podizzle
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  repost to correct dumbness: Raiders is the best for sure. Jesus Christ that movie is great. But... : Chris Remo
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    Sort of the opposite for me. When I think of Temple of Doom, it's individual moments. Like short round's ... : pyide
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      Methinks I'll be having similar troubles if I ever try to rewatch Crystal Skull. : pyide
      • how did they have the car chase through the trees when the tree cutter that was making the road was destr... : Luminair
  • Remo sings truth! I also disliked how they dumbed down Marcus and made him a goofy comic foil, whereas he... : Dave-A
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    this is a last crusade-hating and temple of doom-loving post. you are a curious minority : Luminair
    • There are others like me! I don't really hate Crusade though, it's just not as engaging for me. : Chris Remo
  • Absolutely. I already laid this out above. : randomposter
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  Once again my argument about the aliens is the following. In the previous movies we never directly saw th : Evil Benius
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    I'd say the aliens were the "artifact" in this one. From the glimpse of the dead roswell thing at the beg : pyide
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      I just think the movie would have been better and lost nothing if it ended with their skeletons at the en : Evil Benius
      • I would agree with this, and likely 100's of other changes that could potentially improve this one. : pyide
  • Ha, *high five*, I've said exactly the same thing. : Arctic Fox

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• also this is about 5% of the code. It's just one huge fucking method of nothing but shit like this : wtf242
• ouch. do you frequently do maintenance jobs? : afrochops
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  maybe I'm just jaded but that code doesn't really do much to phase me, I've worked with much, much worse. : dravalen
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    It looks like a mathematician, or physicist wrote it. : afrochops
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      That's my guess. dx and dy and all that shit probably mean something in the lingo. : ZombieAcademy
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        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_(calculus) : MagicWishMonkey
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          Yeah I know about calculus, but don't see how it applies to this code snippet. : ZombieAcademy
          • Probably has something to do with drawing the curve ;) : MagicWishMonkey
      • Seriously, you've never taken any calc? : antareus
      • dx, dy, dz, and dt are really common to represent changes in xyz coordinate space, and in time. Delta x,... : Arcanum
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    I am basically just randomly changing values and seeing how it changes the generated image then renaming ... : wtf242
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      does your editor autocomplete variable names? I think his code was short because he was a science type o... : ]pm[chem
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        Most physicists I worked with when getting my degree weren't "good programmers", either. In fact, they ... : taronish
        • Thats pretty much it. When I was in grad school I was helping a friend write some code to track a partic... : hadronflux
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      i love a good combination of shitty variable names and the ternary operator. you just look at the line of : Dave-A
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        That's basically why I never use the ternary operator, ever. I know it, and I can understand it, but ever... : Bean
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          It can be really nice in certain places but usually only when all the expressions involved are pretty sim... : derelict515
          • well, yeah, there are always exceptions. It's just that I got out of the habit of using them after seeing... : Bean
      • I actually don't mind a ternary operator but the combination of shitty variable names and ternary operato... : exponen7
  • yeah but im sure it's still frustrating since it's basic good practice to use descriptive variables. : dantastic
• but he's got a phd and instantly a genius coder! heh : Antilles_Prime
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  It was difficult to write, it should be difficult to understand. : asylumn
  • I disagree with this. The more difficult it is to write, the more explicit you have to be about how you ... : kaddar0
• I wrote some Ruby today! http://12.227.195.144/latestchatty/ I wanted to make something like stonedonk... : Flying h4x0r
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  you would kill yourself if you saw the code i deal with at work. this snippet is positively beautiful an... : electroly
  • shit man, I pity you : I7 SilverFox
• I don't know what the formula for drawing an ellipse is, but those variables probably correspond directly... : dopeman
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  here's the code rewritten. hopefully the next fool this guy tricks into working for him will actually be ... : wtf242
  • I don't understand that green writing.... is that a com... a comm... a commeee? a commennn....t? These... : exponen7
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  this is why i am quitting programming : manero
  • actually i've seen much worse, and that's why i'm quitting programming : manero
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  seriously? maybe its not super descriptive but it doesn't take a genius to figure out what's going on. ... : qsylvr
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    qsylvr, you are exactly right. You are also most likely a lot smarter than me. I'm pretty retarded : wtf242
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      this entire function is also 300 lines long. I just posted a small example. : wtf242
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        Only 300 lines? Lucky. ;) Many math heavy functions are based on published algorithms, books, etc. If ... : cannelbrae
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          Yeah, when I implement an algorithm from a scientific paper, I tend to use the same variable and constant... : Arcanum
          • *the same variable and constant names as the paper. : Arcanum
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        I hear ya. I cheated, sort of.. I used to be the guy who wrote that stuff, although probably not that ... : qsylvr
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          Variable names absolutely make a difference. if( broken ) is a much clearer statement than if( b ). if(... : Arcanum
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            anyone who uses one-letter names for flow control variables deserves to be shot. but one- or two-letter ... : qsylvr
            • It depends on the purpose. Single-character metasyntactic variables (i/j/k for a for loop) are generally... : Arcanum
          • So is if (isInputBroken), but I've been bashed over the head by stylecop and coding standards for a few m... : exponen7
    • I get where you're coming from though. If I had to guess what that code did I wouldn't have a clue becau... : carazy
  • This is what I got out of it. If you do a lot of graphics work variable names like that just pop out. : Yanks
• The very first program I made had variables called zerg, terran, protoss, ken, ryu, etc : sikander
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  I should post the vehicle physic code of Far Cry 1, such a mess you'd be happy to deal with the function ... : Enigme
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    i program web applications not 3d engines :( my math skills suck : wtf242
    • I've supported developers of web applications at my last two jobs. Thank god I'm done with that, if I ha... : Halen
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  You need to change professions if you can't figure that small snippet out :D : Topaz
  • I would but my bank account balance and my client count is telling me I shouldn't :( : wtf242
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  HEY 242 YOU ARE DUMB IF YOU DON'T KNOW WTF IS GOING ON HAHAHAHAHHAA STOOPID. : mwasher
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    it is true mwasher, I am not the sharpest candle in the sink : wtf242
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      i'll swear you're a supergenius in a court of law so long as you keep the NWS and life story threads flow... : qsylvr
      • I actually just finished refactoring/fixing the entire method. It only took about 5 hours! now it's all n... : wtf242
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  that seems fine to me because it's using common maths variable "names" : moshman
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    BUT, not leaving comments is shit. I hate people, everyone : moshman
    • well yeah, i fucking hate people who don't comment particularly. : skryte
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    yeah, right? it's not like using ff1 instead of customerId. : skryte
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      Not the same thing. Math has a notation. Quite a bit of math heavy code uses that notation, as it is the ... : cannelbrae
      • that's what i'm saying to you. : skryte
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  haha I do stuff like that all the time. I've never even had a job writing C or anything but it's just a ... : mikecyb
  • for a single loop increment counter I don't really have a problem with names like i or j or whatever. If ... : afrochops
• It goes the same for anything really. Try inheriting a photoshop file from someone that has organized lay... : hirosushima
• I find it equally worse when someone is too verbose. // set the width of the rectangle to 10 fRecta... : steelsamurai
• I swear to jebus, people who do shit like this with no description/documenting/commenting/non-descriptive... : exponen7

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• and all that gay color : skryte
• Quit yer crying. There will still be a Hardcore mode ya big baby. Perma death is the ultimate penalty. : pyide
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  So what? What's fun about things being inconvenient? I also don't mind the StarCraft thing, as long as... : Chris Remo
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    Eye of the beholder. One sees an inconvenience and another sees a challenge. Although WoW's death syste... : Wombat Woo
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      I'm sure Diablo III will incorporate hardcore mode anyway. I think that works out better, because you ... : Vincent Grayson
      • Yep. Corpse running in diablo 2 was never challenging yet always inconvenient. You can outrun damn near e... : pyide
• fffffffffffff! The knee-jerk reaction of "THEY'RE MAKING IT CASUAL!" to every change in an established... : A Sponge
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  It is just you. : [7]kami
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    ^^^^^ : SilverSnake
    • .i.. : [7]kami
  • ^^^^^ : PoopStewart
  • ^^^^^ : fishbone
  • <<<<< : aeg1x
  • ^^^^^ : handofthrawn
  • >>>>>> : deviantpaul
  • <(^.^<)<(^.^)>(>^.^)> : marmite
  • IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII : GBeer11
  • Yep. : Sexpansion Pack
  • ^><\/^><\/^><\/^><\/^><\/^><\/^><\/ : carnivore
  • <o/ /o/ \o/ \o\ \o> : grayscale
  • ----\\\_____O_o/----------- : steelsamurai
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  Their overated, at the very least. There's alot of fantastic developers out there who are as good, if not... : thewindcriesmary
  • I don't know about this. I can't think of a single game that I would describe as "truly fantastic" that ... : lefthighkick
• Having to keep "backup gear" around for when you died at hard locations was probably one of the worst par... : SilverSnake
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  Yeah, splitting Starcraft into three full games with 30+ missions for each race sure is 'money grubbing s... : zakk
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    If they reserve MP units/balance fixes for the newest "trilogy" segment only and charge $50 for each, the... : Felraiser
    • Because Blizzard is known as the guys who give up support of older products as soon as a new one launches... : SilverSnake
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  Look at all of SC2 :P : Blucklesworth
  • Haven't you said before that Starcraft's suitability for hardcore competitive players was a fluke? : rock elf
• Definitely just you. : dmaownsyou
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  is just you, all the stuff they've revealed sounds like it makes it much more fun : filthysock
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    Except for the 30 missions with one race in SC2. I don't think that sounds fun at all. :( : thecray
    • Blizzard has a pretty rock solid track record, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt : fishbone
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  as much as i enjoyed diablo2 i NEVER though blizzard was the greatest video game company, much less valve... : X-GOUKI
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    Purely out of curiosity, who is the greatest video game company? : fishbone
    • From a technology standpoint I'd give that title to id Software. From a great games standpoint... I'd say... : zerog83
    • Valve : Izanaki
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  Haha that Vial of Resurrection seems like the lamest shit ever. What happened to the days of MMO death me... : Evil Benius
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    The Vial of Resurrection or checkpoint spawn he mentioned is a Diablo 3 feature. : pyide
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      OK my mistake, that totally sounded like a WoW concept the way he made it sound. : Evil Benius
      • More like his mistake! If you didn't hear it before you would have no idea. Breckon put together a ni... : pyide
  • it's not fair that the monsters respawn and you can't boo hoo... : metalremains
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    if there was a penalty every time i had died in wow due to pvp, i would have quit after the first month. ... : xxiv
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      See I used to love PvP with a death penalty in older games. It put something on the line and made retreat... : Evil Benius
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        I bet you where a big fan of Ultima Online.. I miss that game for this very reason. : metalremains
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          I remember helping my guide PK some pro-pk guide members and we found a house deed on one of the guys tha... : metalremains
          • guide? brain not working... guild. : metalremains
          • Haha yeah that game was great. : Evil Benius
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        yeah but wow would blow with this mechanic. you can get rocked in like 5 seconds flat, often times withou... : xxiv
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          It does not matter for WoW anyway since no one does world PvP. : Evil Benius
          • very true. : xxiv
          • I played on a PVP WOW server and got ganked all the time. :( : metalremains
      • thank you. BRING IT BACK! : feek
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  Didn't valve do steaming pile of crap? : cerealSAM2
  • steam was crap, very early on. it's pretty damn awesome now. : zerog83
• I remember when all games were $50 and Warcraft (the original) was like $60 or $70 and I felt like I was ... : handofthrawn
• Its almost as if they were bought by another company. Hmmm...... : baron calamity
• well as soon as they became a public company you were in trouble. their primary motivation now is to mak... : Luminair
• Play Hardcore Mode ya pansy and you never have to worry about "insta respawn". >:D : DM7
• I have always hated having to ZOOMZOOM back to my corpse while it's surrounded by 100 angry demons. Dyin... : changejar419
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  Origin > LucasFilm Games >>>> rest of developers (Blizzard at the toplist here) : razorblade79
  • Also that feature sound pretty trivial to judge the whole game - or even the whole company - by it, witho... : razorblade79
• waaaaaaa : the_burd
• I lol'd a bit when I read your last line. Are you delerious? Valve still makes decent games but they've w... : synapse19

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  Does cold water boil faster than hot water? : dirge23
  • simple thermodynamics says this is neither complex, nor controversial. : Gonzo
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    my roommate argued that hot water will freeze into ice cubes in the freezer faster... she had a hard t... : chilln
    • i think there's more controversy about this one (see subthread below), but i've heard both. : dirge23
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      The problem with your roommate is that she's poorly educated, nothing more. The good news is that it's... : Gonzo
      • http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/hot_water.html : dirge23
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      That's actually true though. : uncleanmonkey
      • Also: Everyone has trouble explaining why that is. It's an empirical fact without any solid theory to exp... : uncleanmonkey
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        This is only true under certain circumstances. Water that is 100 C will freeze faster than water that is... : fishbone
        • (in theory...in practice, probably not) : fishbone
      • It's not universally true though. You can get it to happen in a limited set of ranges and circumstances. : DinK
  • You use cold water in cooking because hot water could have higher mineral content (or possibly lead/other... : batkiwi
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    I think it has to do with the rate of change. I remember a prof using some calculus to show that hotter ... : pnkrckjoe
    • I didn't think temperature gradients had inertia. Obviously 40 degree water will suck up heat faster tha... : DinK
• There's a pretty good math argument that involves one of these guys: ~ : SockMonkeh
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  3 thirds = 1 specifically i mean .99999999 repeating = 1 : pigz
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    ^^ this. the argument is huge and the reasoning is loltastic. : Foxhawk
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      Yeah this one looks good, I hope there's some good Yahoo Answers threads on it. : antareus
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        don't be fooled though what i said is absolutely true. .9 9 repeating is definately equal to one, but it ... : pigz
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          like any internet argument, it's the layman's reasoning on both sides that's so funny. : Foxhawk
          • Amen to that. Now get to it, everyone. : antareus
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          I think I understand why, but break it down for us : ColoradoCNC
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            The short, easily understood, but possibly not entirely mathematically rigorous explanation is this: 1... : Arcanum
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              Maybe its just me, but I don't see what the problem is. The decimal representation of this is what is mis... : antareus
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                Many people especially students in maths before some very late math like Calculus have a problem truly un... : pigz
                • Calculus helps with massive Internet arguments? WHAT A DAY! No seriously, I'm pretty stoked. Now if I can... : antareus
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              here's another way if you like algebra: x = 0.9999... 10x = 9.9999... 10x - x = 9.9999... - 0.999... : fathertime
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                My world... : rosewood
                • = My worm (please someone get this joke) : mockery
              • the other way is more straightforward (I've posted it too) but this one is badass. : DinK
          • There are a lot of proofs Probably the most simplest is 0.33333333333333333333333333333333....... =... : pigz
  • love the wikipedia picture for that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:999_Perspective.png : Nighteyes
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    but 1 third doesn't equal .333333 repeating. 1 third of 3 equals 1. multiply that by 3 and you get 3. : Korban
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      p.s. 1 third of 1 doesn't equal .33333 repeating either. that's just an estimate of what 1 third of 1 eq... : Korban
      • 1 third of 1 equals .3 repeating. It's not an estimate. : ZombieAcademy
      • You are incorrect. 0.3~ is not an estimate. It is the exact value of 1/3rd. 0.3 is an approximation. ... : Arcanum
  • non-explicit definitions of things confuse people. especially regular people who aren't experts in whate... : Luminair
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    holy crap incredible : mwasher
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      PHOTOSHOP! : antareus
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        Actually not! But some clever angling by the photographer. The hammer is actually much further into the... : spazzium
        • even when you see it for yourself (i did this a while back) it looks strange. : delataur
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    Center of mass is over the table... : Longinus00
    • By which you mean under the table. =) : DinK
  • o_O : thetangent
  • Haha, I think I've seen this shot with a "where is your god now?" caption. : DinK
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  Hot water freezes faster than warm water thanks to evaporative help. : Lunatic Angelic
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    and less oxygen in boiled water. : radula
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      I hope you mean microscopic air bubbles, because there is plenty of O in H2O. :) : cerealSAM2
      • He probably means dissolved oxygen/other gasses. : Arcanum
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    But does cold water boil faster than warm water? : fishbone
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      uh, nevermind : fishbone
      • I almost thought this made sense : thebigbinky
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  the monty hall problem tends to confuse people : YamatoTwinkie
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    it still confuses the hell out of me : dirge23
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      That makes no sense to me : ColoradoCNC
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        Here's the simplest explanation I've been able to come up with. OK, so you pick a door. Now, if he said... : bipolar
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          I think another easy way to think about it is imagine there are a million doors, you pick one of them, mo... : YamatoTwinkie
          • yeah, this one makes more sense. : dirge23
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            thanks, I think i get it now : strider_
            • Yeah, when you switch you're effectively picking all the doors other than the first one you were on. So ... : DinK
        • this explanation stinks : dirge23
    • me too :( : strider_
    • basically, you use the knowledge that you most likely picked the wrong door initially (i.e.: you have a 2... : deject
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    The biggest issue for me was that the first time I heard it the problem wasn't stated clearly, and that u... : cerealSAM2
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      in its purest form, Monty's knowledge doesn't really enter into why you should switch at all. : deject
      • I thought the whole point was that he does know where it is. Otherwise he might open the door with the ca... : Theos
      • His decision as to whether or not he makes the offer is very important though. The key is he must make t... : kaddar0
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        Actually, if Monty doesn't know where the car is, then the answer is that switching does nothing. http:/... : Aragoat
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          what I mean is it doesn't matter if Monty knows or not. The stipulation of the question is that he will ... : deject
          • I know what you're saying, that if you see an empty door opened it doesn't matter whether the person who ... : DinK
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        You're wrong. If Monty doesn't know, the entire problem is invalidated because he doesn't know which do : cerealSAM2
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          it's stipulated in the original problem he opens a door that is the wrong one. I suppose that requires k... : deject
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            This is why it's vitally important to define this stupid ass goat-sucking problem clearly in the first pl : cerealSAM2
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              Best explanation I've seen thanks : indosauros
              • That was my buddy Fred. He's a math geek extraordinaire. : cerealSAM2
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              Yeah the only reason this is still being debated because people don't define the question properly and pe... : deject
              • And why i hate it so much... because if you have to be so damn specific about defining your question it's... : cerealSAM2
      • What? No. : fishbone
      • I think what you meant to say, was the exact opposite of what you typed. : DinK
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    There are three configurations that are equally likely, and you randomly pick one: [Car][Goat][Goat] : mockery
    • That problem always confused me until I saw this diagram. Thanks! : nurglich
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  vacuum fuctuations are atheist propaganda Do ballistics arguments count?...because gun forums are fill... : Vorlonesque
  • Haha lol no man. I think in this thread we're looking for things that do have a correct answer but that ... : DinK
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  A fly traveling at 10 mph runs smack into a train going the other direction at 60mph. Obviously, at some... : YamatoTwinkie
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    HEAD ASPLODE! : noobja
    • except...not? after thinking about it wouldn't you have to take into account mass to get force? since the... : noobja
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    The train doesn't reverse directions, so why is this confusing? : ZombieAcademy
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      the fly is at zero velocity while still attached to the train. : YamatoTwinkie
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        There's no problem here when you look at the physics on the level of the individual atoms. (Atoms aren't... : Arcanum
        • wait, was this a real "riddle"? I thought he was joking. It's physics 101. : Megara9
        • exactly. It helps if you visualize the problem as a fly(or even a baseball) hitting a trampoline mounte : YamatoTwinkie
      • The word you are looking for I guess is "instantaneously". : ZombieAcademy
      • This statement is making a LOT of assumptions about what it means to be attached to the train. I like th... : DinK
  • no. wouldnt a simple kinematic equation show this? : mega man
  • lol : Megara9
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    So if I'm on a train going at the speed of light, and I walk to the bistro car to get a beer at the front... : yonderboy
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      for each observer you need to drink 1 extra beer to overcome the relative inertia of sobriety : yAak
      • i love this answer : dopefish
      • what about the salt peanut variable often overlooked : thebigbinky
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    Is the fly OK :( : dognose
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      It's still alive, dognose. It simply drifted.. into the D dimension. : Megara9
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        BROTHER! i have a pic somewhere from the socal shackmeet of.. crummynz, missylu and i think sailor of ... : xsoulbrothax
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          lmao.. my roommate and I watch it at least once a week :D : Megara9
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            i was inspired and looked on google.. the first result for overdrift 3 involves neither dinos nor the ult... : xsoulbrothax
            • I haven't heard anything about it :l : Megara9
  • Relative to the train the remains of the fly are at zero velocity at any time following the impact. : randomjgj
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    the mass of the fly is negligible though in the context of everything. it's not really going to be stopp... : mikecyb
    • Yeah. Motion (and the flow of time) isn't discrete (at least, not in the common models of physics... ther... : GreatGooglyMoogly
  • Look up inelastic collision. : Longinus00
  • the fly may be at 0mph for an instant but the train isnt : hobosapien
  • Zero velocity, nonzero Acceleration. thats the A in F=MA : johnwissinger
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  http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=17523410#itemanchor_17523410 : Kniggit
  • What the fuck? : magistersmax
  • i disagree. : podizzle
  • that made me hurt in the head : thebigbinky
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  Zeno's Paradox of Motion Achilles has a race against a tortoise, and gives the tortoise a 100m head st : rock elf
  • I'd like Zeno to declare that I can't walk up to him and punch him in the face : Daggoth
  • That's just dumb. : d fluke
  • total horsecock : moshman
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    Mathematics uses the definition of a limit. It's super effective! : naios
    • Yea, it's how my first calc teacher introduced the concept to us. : MagicWishMonkey
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    I know this but in terms of a bullet hitting a wall. It takes x amount of time to halve the distance, the... : sonicdeathwalrus
    • I'll have to visualize this if I ever get shot at. : gooblerampling
    • If planck time is correct, then there are limits to how small a unit of time you can have. http://en.wiki... : ieGod
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    stuff like this is why we have mathematics beyond simply cutting distances in half. =) : DinK
    • seriously lol : deject
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      Sure, but it's a nice problem because the reasoning presented is quite seductive. It's obviously wrong, b... : rock elf
      • Yeah, it's a good example of something that people will think about and fight over that's absurdly easy t... : DinK
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      Stuff like this is why we shouldn't have any calculations beyond simply arithmetic. Anywhere. Ever. : A Sponge
      • More like Calc 1 should be mandatory for everyone. EVERYONE. And besides, Calculus isn't that hard, i... : deject
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  I love these types of things. They illustrate so well how different people can reason out different answ... : DinK
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    they can reason out an answer ignoring many physical facts. : moshman
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      Exactly. When you simply "reason" out answers, it's easy to be very wrong. The only time it comes close... : DinK
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        the airplane thing is pretty obvious though IMO, but I can see how it would throw people off. : moshman
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          That's why it's so good. It's very obvious but it's a great example of how people in their reasoning wil... : DinK
          • Oh wow, haha. I just googled the airplane-treadmill, having never seen it before, and got it totally wron... : ShekkyBoy
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  This illusion always sparks a lot of disbelief: http://www.shackpics.com/files/twotables_hxzjqd067tnyludh... : aeg1x
  • oh and it's even more interesting that people who went blind during early childhood and later have vision... : aeg1x
  • that first pic I didnt believe so I had to put it into mspaint and was amazed. : fathertime
• http://geek-hot.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/helicoptor-will-it-take-off.jpg : das_runt

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  WRONG PATCH'D LRN2PATCH NUB ZOMG : Downforce
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    Guess what? Im tired so IDC. At any rate! 3.0 Impressions! lolz! : KillSwitchEngaged002
    • New login screen and Outland loading screen are nice. That's the only thing I've seen so far. : reign27
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    also I invoke our pal from spaceballs "WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT" the sheer volume of WoW players and traff... : Downforce
    • Ya, a friend was complaining how Curse was backed up. : KillSwitchEngaged002
    • I'm so sad wowace discontinued : ( : the_burd
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  Now the Authentication servers seem to be fucked! : .sticks.
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    That's no fun. Hope it doesn't stay like that all night. : KillSwitchEngaged002
    • Has there ever been a smooth rollout for any type of WoW upgrade? :) : R0CK
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  I was logged in today on a level 1 pally and the shadows seemed nice and the game ran like a champ maxed ... : .sticks.
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    Attack of the Killer Pallies!! RUUUUUUN!! : KillSwitchEngaged002
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      What's so special about Pallies this patch? : Damodred
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        Well, it was that Ret was the new DPS king...but, it's been toned down...so nothing! : ImageOmega
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          it's hunters now, they are far and away in crazy town : Downforce
          • Pretty much all I can say is LOL. : MacemanInTW
  • Also, the login screen is sweet. The music makes it almost worth watching over and over. Even my wife co... : .sticks.
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  LOL like its possible to even log in to the game, let alone connect to a server, at this point. They real... : eskimo spy
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    Hopefully this will be a good learning experience as far as traffic goes. I know they have way more now t... : R0CK
    • They had maybe 8/9 million players when BC came out. Regardless of what they do, major patch days like th... : glio1337
  • 10 million people all trying to log in. Bound to be issues. : Phreakin
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    That's specifically why they roll out these 2.0 and 3.0 patches before the expansions themselves release,... : veras
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      Good point. I can see this looped dragon screen getting annoying. : eskimo spy
      • wait what the fuck; I could see the game having issues, D/C's, glitches or even servers shitting themselv... : eskimo spy
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    They also need to learn not to cram everything into a BIG patch so it screws up the server and a BIG patc... : KillSwitchEngaged002
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      Do they still use their awful peer to peer patch system? That piece of shit never worked for me and it w... : nukewinter
      • yeah they do, but you can download it over like a month with the launcher and then it just finishes up th... : .sticks.
      • Yes, they still use peer to peer. I had to shut down my firewall and enable peer to peer for it to move f... : KillSwitchEngaged002
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      An hour or two hickup is to be expected. WoW has improved a TON over the years as far as stability is con... : Topaz
      • like the first 3 months LOL : Iwannaacura
    • They rolled out the majority of the patch weeks ago. You just have to make sure you run the downloader ah... : Topaz
    • I used the background downloader and it was pretty much ready to go for the patch today. Only a couple mi... : fluke
    • I think it's smart that they're doing this now before the actual expansion hits. This is the PRE-setup. : ImageOmega
  • If beta was any indicator, don't expect to play your DK until at least 2 weeks after release. The starti... : genom
  • I got in for a moment, but my plugins were crashing so freakin' hard that I had to log, and now I can't g... : Rotten Deadite
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  Welp, I think tonight is a wash as far as any type of playing. Login server is not even responding at all... : R0CK
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    OK, who tripped over the cord? ;P : genom
    • I bet someone over at Blizzard spilled coffee on the networking systems. : KillSwitchEngaged002
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  52% downloaded! 2 more hours woo : electroly
  • No rush, it's still down. : Shivawn
• are the login servers down now? : g0nk
• I'd love to have an impression other than my server coming up an hour late, taking 20 minutes to log in, ... : MacemanInTW
• Can't login. : mallfouf
• Auth server failure. gg. : mystifier
• Baelgun is down, so I'm just getting all my machines updated. : Thresher
• Stop playing this game please :( : packav
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  actually made it to retrieving character list : Dravenport
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    frozen at loading screen : Dravenport
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      same here...such a tease : R0CK
      • getting world server is down messages now, not sure if this could be considered progress or not : Dravenport
    • This morning it took about 20 minutes to actually go from the loading screen to being able to play...and ... : MacemanInTW
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  lol i go to http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ and it's 404'd. : g0nk
  • Yeah the whole damn website is down. : Rotten Deadite
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  this might actually be the worst patch release for WoW . . . . : jedi_27
  • Going to have to agree here. Tried to respec out in Quel'Danas and there were no NPC's, then I got d... : atom519
  • For real, this sucks :( I mean I understand there is a massive inrush of people right now, but they knew... : electroly
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  woot... my guild just hosted a number of runs through UBRS to get the Leeroy Jenkins achievement : Home Nugget
  • all that shit is probably going to get rolled back :) : Downforce
  • I'm thinking about setting up some things like this. Sounds like fun! : MacemanInTW
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  logged in with no problems, ui completely broken, logged off. RIP WoW Ace Updater : strider_
  • The curse client replaced it. Works fine. : ImageOmega
• I think this is a good move for them, add the major patch now and then deal with all the issues now, and ... : DM7
• I started downloading the patch around 7:30... went out for dinner... came back and did some homework... ... : jenisthebest

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  I got my hands on a copy of Saints Row 2 on Friday and spent the better part of the weekend playing the g : warcrow
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    Good write up. You make it sound fantastic. I'm picking this up for sure when I get the chance. Any idea ... : FirstPersonCooter
    • Well, that's pretty hard to calculate considering just how many things there are to do--but I imagine it'... : warcrow
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    How does the cruise control work? Does it just keep the car going in a straight line or is it a bit more... : Horn
    • Cruise control is helpful for car combat and stuff. The default controls are X to accelerate and A to bra... : warcrow
  • Awesome! I'm going to grab this : timaste
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    Can you fly helicopters? : zanzares
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      Yup--several kinds in fact. : warcrow
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        Sweet. :D I'd complain about no PC version today, but with Far Cry 2 then Fallout 3 I'm going to be too b... : zanzares
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          I know, were so dead : warcrow
          • I wish Fallout 3 on the 360 had some sort of coop or something. Goddamn. I think I'm still going to get i... : brickmatt
    • You can also fly several different planes in this game. : wwonderboy334
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    I got in a little bit of play earlier and so far I'm liking it. One thing I'm not crazy about is it seems... : Rauol Duke
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      I made my dude with a British accent because...well everything they say sounds better. :P : warcrow
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        I totally missed that one. >:( : Rauol Duke
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          luckily you can change everything about your dude including the voice at the plastic surgeon~ : JINKY
          • Yes--you do lose noterity right? : warcrow
    • There wasn't really an American white guy. It's black guy, Brit, and latino (which sounded the closest to... : mittense
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    This is what I was hoping for. I like the direction Rockstar went with GTAIV, but I do miss the wacky she... : djkenohki
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      Sorry no, I normally dont mess with cheat codes. : warcrow
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        Well I just bought it. Here we go! : djkenohki
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          Let us know what you think : warcrow
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            So did you Kill the judge? This game is loads of fun so far. Everything is exaggerated to a point of perf... : djkenohki
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              Absolutely! ;) : warcrow
              • Guess they left the car warp glitch in. Press Y while standing on top of the car to warp right inside. : djkenohki
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            The cheats in this game are insane. Toting around an M16-ish gun with under-mounted grenade launcher, 4x... : wwonderboy334
            • Haha : warcrow
  • I think I might have to check that out. Thanks for the post! : ColoradoCNC
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    I think I might get this game just for the zombie uprising. : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • Zombie uprising is rad! : warcrow
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    But how are you getting on with Pikmin? : jbury
    • That got put on the back burner. : warcrow
  • I stopped reading after I saw the Zombie Uprising part, I\'m SOLD! : voodooraze
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  I've been playing it for the last hour and it's so much fun. It's polished in a completely different way ... : mittense
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    Though, really, I think most comparisons to Grand Theft Auto 4 are meaningless at this point. GTA 4 took ... : mittense
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      Yea, I talked about that in my post--but the comparison is always going to be there no matter what it see... : warcrow
      • I was kind of correct myself, but yeah, that's another point. : mittense
  • Wow--really? That's awesome. : warcrow
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      Hehe, yea. Thank goodness that stuff isnt mandatory and is easy to breeze past. : warcrow
      • haha screw you - I was laughing my ass off during the whole process... Medster made this huge fat-look... : dedgecko
  • You can do this on planes. In Co-op. Hell yeah it's crazy. : wwonderboy334
• I'm glad people are enjoying it. =) The guys at Volition really like Saints and I think that shows in it'... : Frozen Pixel
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  I could not bring myself to beat the first one. The missions just got so boring, and the controls were pr... : manlyman
  • Your loss. SR2 does everything that GTA IV didn't do. Sure you lose some of the really great physics ... : dedgecko
• Saints Row 2 has Paramore - Misery Business. Rad. : mittense
• I love that my entire gang now consist of ninjas now, haha !! : warcrow
• Interesting. I really liked SR1. Don't know if there's time to play this though : derelict515
• I am absolutely loving it - I never really played SR1 and picked it up knowing only that it would be "lik... : umcpwintermute