Evening Reading

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  How does the white elephant work? I've never participated in one, heard of it many a time, though. : Juno
  • basically, you sign up, and you get the name of a shacker, and his/her address. you send them a box of cr... : mindmann
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  I think one list is fine, but you should pair up WE people to always give to someone who has less posts t... : Sailor of Fortune
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    One list doesn't work, as illustrated by the failure of 1/3rd of the participants to send anything out la... : Vantage
    • Perhaps grouping the "deadbeats with good excuses" population in with the newbies could work. Give them ... : Vantage
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  great ideas, but who would put the man-power i.e. time, into making it work? : med1c
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    That's what I'm saying. It's pretty much the same amount of work as last year. sikander or whomever wou... : Vantage
    • I mean, at least that's my impression. Only sikander could truly judge if this would significantly increa... : Vantage
• i have a plan its complicated. 1: central WE gift repository where people send their WE's to t... : CoRDS
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  Sounds more like splitting the community in two, not a good idea IMO. Keep the one list. : peetabix01
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    Well, if its done behind the scenes, people wouldn't even necessarily know which list they are on. The w... : Vantage
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      If it goes through, we know that its being done because of this post. Also what if there is an odd numbe... : peetabix01
      • The lists aren't A<->B, C<->D etc, it's A->B->C->D->A. Doesn't matter even or odd. : Vantage
    • someone would end up blaming sikander for the pool choices and that would be uncool. You know someone wo... : redfive
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      But! Then us WE "newbies" wouldn't get the opportunity to gift to some powerful shack-being. : nevicata
      • i have no problem having newbies in it. i mean, only one of my 4 WEs was sent to someone i knew. the rest... : mindmann
  • if a sizable part of the community are unreliable and ruin it for others, why shouldn't it be : the city
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  I'll update the WE site this weekend so ppl can start signing up. The sorting problem can be discussed mo... : sikander
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    So 3 "invisible" pools then perhaps. The third for those users who, for whatever totally legit reasons, ... : Vantage
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      I don't know.. I had totally forgotten about WE until this post :P I haven't thought about what I want... : sikander
      • heh. just do it however you want. people will be happy, and people will complain. i think everyone is gra... : mindmann
  • If you do the pool thing, publicly deny it and tell everyone you aren't gonna do it. Just in case, tha... : DOOManiac
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    That can be solved by not letting the deadbeats participate. I strongly favor not letting them in. Then a... : mmogger
    • yeah i don't know why deadbeats get a second shot. they should at least have to wait one year to partici... : the city
    • I think a one year penalty box is enough. If they QQ about it they won't join next year. : Sailor of Fortune
  • yeah, do whatever you feel is fair. you do the work, it's your baby, and you shouldn't need to do anythin... : mindmann
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  I swear to god, only you assholes can take something simple and in the spirit of the season and cock it u... : action roommate
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    yea, just ban the people on the "wall of shame" and just limit first time WE participants to those with "... : Mmmmmoo
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      ^^^ This, although I would propose a minimum post limit as well. : Ride-My-Rocket
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        Last year someone tracked some stats and there was no statistical relation between the post count/join da... : MrLobo
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          http://stoldark.com/Shack/we_stats/2007/ : sikander
          • Thanks for this! So we need to limit the WE to those with 15 000+ post counts. ;) : MrLobo
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          then what's the point of this pool business? : Mmmmmoo
          • I think the chances that those who took the time to send stuff in the previous year will do so again if t... : MrLobo
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          Except for, as someone pointed out, in the 15,000+ post range, where the percentage of unsent WEs was les... : Vantage
          • thats because they are brown-nosing : SockMonkeh
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            Haha, either there is rampant thievery in the mail system, or people lied about sending. : Nighteyes
            • Or people didn't bother updating when they did receive. That discrepancy is not necessarily the fault of... : Vantage
      • They should have the [lol] script as well =D : Sailor of Fortune
      • minimum 40,000 : RikiTiki2
      • This was suggested last year. If it had been acted on I probably wouldn't have been allowed to send a box... : ArB
    • this is as complex as it needs to be. no more, no less. : RikiTiki2
  • sorry. =( I didn't mean to bring it up like this. i just wanted to know if it was happening. THAT... : mindmann
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    Which assholes... The ones who don't send their WE packages, or me for suggesting a potential solution? ... : Vantage
    • The assholes are not the people who don't send boxes. The assholes are the people that bitch and cry abou... : tashtego
  • Personally I've done it for the pure fun of it, I like to send something out for someone else to get and ... : notext
  • For once, I totally agree with action roommate. People have proven, time and again, that all that will ha... : tashtego
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  White Elephant ain't about getting something, Vantage. It's about putting a bunch of shit in a box and gi... : SockMonkeh
  • That is the core idea, yes, but tell me, which is a more desirable outcome? A: Everyone who puts the w... : Vantage
  • Which is why we should split the pools. Those that join without sending anything will be more easily t... : MrLobo
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  Just do one big pool. People will inevitably get screwed no matter what. You might as well leave it up ... : soggybagel
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    You guys are the reason F-Grade mortgage securities were bundled with A-Grade mortgage securities and mar... : Vantage
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      I really want to [ lol ] this, but it's not a [ lol ]ling matter. : Gonzo
      • Well, I appreciate the sentiment. :P I think it's an apt analogy! : Vantage
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  I love that idea. I'd think of the "newbie" pool as a right of passage to show you are worthy of receivi... : MrLobo
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    hahah. a "higher standard of WE" - do i have to send out gold plated crap? Or write the welcome note on r... : mindmann
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      it means more dongs, come on, you've been around here a while : mmogger
      • oh hell yeah. count me in if it means more dongs. : mindmann
    • No it means your crap must be crappier than what is legally permitted : MrLobo
    • You'll notice he specified "crap". Everyone knows WE is about sending silly/junk/random stuff. However,... : Vantage
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      See mindmann? This is the exact kind of shit I'm taking about. Post thresholds and WE groups and walls ... : action roommate
      • i didn't mean to. i swear. =( I'M SOORRRRYYYYYY : mindmann
      • Dude it sucked not getting anything from my WE after I put together a pretty cool little package. It'll ... : brickmatt
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  white elephant can even be an empty envelope! it doesnt have to be a box of stuff. just send it! i love... : radula
  • yeah. i definitely enjoy puttin the boxes together, even though mine aren't as cool as other shackers'. i... : mindmann
• What will you do with the iPhone users? : ant_hillbilly
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  This year I am going to cut off my ear and send it to whoever I get. : SockMonkeh
  • I hope it's me. : bcyde
• more like black donkey : aeg1x
• The one I participated in a few years ago was a blast! I'm all for it again :D : Megara9
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  I've never signed up for WE, yet I have almost 18k posts. What would be my incentive to sign up now if I... : Nighteyes
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    oh man. i'd be fucking honored to get a box of dongs from fry. i'd probably have to display them on a wal... : mindmann
    • I know, right? And if I can't join with the possibility of getting a box of fry dongs, well fuck the WE. : Nighteyes
• I've already got a box of crap ready, so I'm game for this season. : ShoCon
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  First priority: you should pair people who are reliable senders with people who have also sent but not re... : nodebug
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    who was it? shame them! : moshman
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      I wouldn't do such a thing! ;) Also its worth pointing out that my intended Sender has a post count th... : nodebug
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        Actually I take that back, it would appear that since i last checked the WE page, my Sender did mark his ... : nodebug
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          we were supposed to mark them "sent"??? : Megara9
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            hehe : http://sikander.org/etc/shack/shackapp/we2007/participants : nodebug
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              DOH!! Ohwell, at least my guy received his and posted about it :) : Megara9
              • I think after all this time I was even hasty to judge my recipient as he has not marked his as received. : nodebug
      • why not? it's an asshole move, Lordpall and I got shafted by the same guy. but he had few posts and has n... : moshman
  • My first year, my recipient didn't post anything. :( Last year I didn't get anything. I've had such a gre... : K1Bond007
• I'm down for whatever everyone else wants to do. Personally I think what we have now is fine, but I'll pa... : RevRaven
• I'm planning to participate in the upcoming White Elephant. Gunna be my first time. : aggro crag
• I always send out a box even though I only get one back half the time. I'll do it again this year too. : mikefr24
• hook me up w/ skankcore, yo. : thief
• rethought: 200posts since 1999 isnt that big a deal, make it 200 posts THIS YEAR. or better yet, x numb... : radula
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  One list. I don't participate in WE expecting to get a WE. : baron calamity
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    I did last year, and got nothing. go me : moshman
    • Well the person that I sent my WE to is a regular poster, mentioned they got it but never wrote anything ... : baron calamity
• I'd like to see a higher post limit. 250 really isn't enough to get any ideas. : chazums
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  I'd make two changes: 1) People need to be matched up based on post counts cpt_gloval did this the : ThomW
  • #2 will never happen though, and it makes me so mad I kinda want to just not have WE anymore. : tashtego
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    When people started whining about not getting cool enough shit, I figured it was time to walk away. : rosewood
    • You should do it every year and just send people autographed cans of Sprite. : ThomW
    • For me I was only disappointed when I got the shaft. It's not that I wanted a gift, as much as I didn't e... : Slowtreme
    • that's pretty lame. I must have missed these posts. i do recall people getting some pretty hot WE thou... : even4
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  You know after reading this thread I feel like I want to participate alot less. Just seems that most p... : getfrisky
  • LOL : fuzzydamnit

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  Max Payne 2 is still the slickest gaming entertainment package I've ever played. : randomposter
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    It is the only game I have played from start to finish non-stop TWICE in a row. Also the only game sho : DOOManiac
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      How long/short is it? How long did it take you? : noobja
      • You can see my MP1 and MP2 times here: http://steamcommunity.com/id/jlaw I'm a little OCD about explor... : Johnny Law
      • 6 hours first run through, 4-ish hours the second. : DOOManiac
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      Half Life and Portal for me. Go Valve! : locater16
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        same here but add mafia and max payne : gimpness
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          Really? You actually made it through that god damned stupid race in Mafia without breaking something in ... : hawkeye
          • there's an exploit in the race you can use, i forget the details, but you can cut a huge corner in the tr... : senor135
          • haha the first run through i did rage hard but then i found out about the short cut. The second run throu... : gimpness
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    That's a good way to put it. :) I wouldn't place MP2 at the very top of my Best Games Evar list, but it' : Johnny Law
    • There's a really impressive attention to detail too. The whole plot is laid out for you from the beginnin... : SockMonkeh
• Yep, it's one of those games. My friends are sick of hearing me rant about it all the time. One of... : Legolas5
• I've been itching to play MP1 again, this time with the Kung Fu mod. I never actually tried that one, but... : ConfusedUs
• Yeah both Max Payne games are masterpieces. : deject
• I remember when there was a HUGE uproar over MP2's "short" (read: eight hours) length back in 2003. : EvilDolemite
• Obligatory re-pimpage of my MP2 movie I made after it came out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idZiQAuWP9... : Cygnus X-1
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  Max Payne 2 is one of the only games that has ever managed to hold my attention the entire way through. I : Danny5225
  • Ha. That makes me think of the Harry Potter 5 game for the 360. You spend the first half hour "cleaning... : matrixneo42
• Well that said, Payne 1's story is better than the second. I'd prefer the first game if it was running on... : K1Bond007
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  Try the Cinema 2.0 mod! : Mondo
  • Also these are good too Seventh Serpent (Made by a shacker, total conversion has some fun gunfights) El... : Mondo
  • What does Cinema do? I see a lot of places pimping it but they never say what it changes. : Horn
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  Stop it! You're gonna make me want to re-install. : ColoradoCNC
  • I just did a couple weeks ago. It's well worth it. : bostrov
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUXUyItb1ys : mem
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  I don't think any other game did bullet time as well as the Max Payne games. Nobody even tries it anymor... : contentious roy
  • F.E.A.R. had a go at doing a first-person variation. I'm interested to see if F.E.A.R. 2 changes it up i... : Johnny Law
• I ramble about New York Minute mode. : Lukiopimp
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  Max Payne 2 one of those games?? hardly. you have to go back another 10 years or so for "Those Games". : araczynski
  • "That Guy". : randomposter
• Yes, the finale to the original Max Payne was one of the best I can remember. So satisfying. I releas... : Omaha
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  Depends on how old you are. :) For me, "the good old days" of pc gaming is probably more like the e... : matrixneo42
  • And I'm older than that too. I played the Tandy color computer 3 and old school nintendo, and Macintosh ... : matrixneo42
  • Old folks should still be able to appreciate awesome games. Unless you're araczynski perhaps. :) : Johnny Law
• How did Stranglehold fail so hard compared to this? : MamiyaOtaru

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  That's how the Shack does MMOs. You think anyone here will be playing Warhammer 3 months from now? :P : DOOManiac
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    the reason I'm asking is it seemed to do very well commercially when it was first released, but now just ... : MikkleThePickle
    • It had a great start but players caught up with it, and only 1/4th of the game was really finished. Got b... : kelerian
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      despite shackers constant complaining about WoW, it is very difficult to craft a compelling mid/end game ... : derelict515
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        That being said, any game that entertains well enough for 50 hours can consider itself a success. That's ... : Neech
        • in a sense you're right, but like you said, Conan's goal wasn't to get you to only play for 50 hours and ... : derelict515
  • Actually yes. By this time 90% of people already quit Conan. While more and more shackers are joining W... : Edges
• It was never awesome. I know some people got caught up in the hype, but there were posts from day one wit... : Vincent Grayson
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  I don't want to talk about it really :( Simply said: the game wasn't fun at all after lvl19. : Bamii
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    I got to level 40 and then there was just... nothing. No quests my level, and I was expected to just keep... : jbury
    • Indeed. The failure of AoC actually made me really doubt if I should buy WAR at first. I know a few peopl... : Bamii
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      ..dungeons, where grey trashmobs were casting spells which took half of your life. And there were always : mem
      • The game was bad, but it did have good points. The open PVP stuff was pretty exciting as you were always ... : jbury
  • I didn't have any fun before lvl19. I found the whole thing pretty bad from beginning to end. : asylumn
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  You have no idea how they patches killed that game. Every 2-3 days was another FPS-crushing, balance dest... : DerHuhnTeufel
  • Yep. Their patches were quite drastic. I love how they limited the AoE abilities of the Tempest of Set ... : pigvomit
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  I'm the only person I met that liked it, and still does. Of course I had to uninstall because I was just... : KxRook
  • Eh, I liked it. I just don't like MMORPGs. : daedraug
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  News Flash: thats *EVERY* mmorpg other than WoW on the shack. You see all this fucking bullshit idiocy ov... : Jackass1233
  • Except AoC wasn't a Shackhype, it was just a hype. : Bamii
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    I also find you calling people like me "pathetic WoW addicts" a little insulting. Shame that meme is bann... : jbury
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      There's a banned meme about "pathetic wow addicts"? : dafugg
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        I believe he is referring to the process of commenting on someone's post based on their online "handle", ... : Vincent Grayson
        • You sir, would be correct :) : jbury
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    Given Mythic's history, their backer,, the market and the state of Warcraft, I disagree. I think we're ac... : geedeck
    • WAR got me to finally uninstall WoW. I hadn't even played in months, but kept it there, knowing I'd want ... : Vincent Grayson
  • You could use that logic and reverse your ranting to simply stating Blizzard made a better game that more... : [7]kami
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    Wow...you're a little too enraged over the whole thing. You should probably go outside. : fishbone
    • This is just how Jackass talks when he's discussing games. : Bamtan
  • You really are a jackass. Good show, living up to expectations. : tashtego
  • lol. why the hell are you so angry Jackass? : moshman
  • Were you this much of a angry jackass when we all played CS:S together? I can't recall. : lightly inclined
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    Im sorry I offended the mmorpgs addicts:( : Jackass1233
    • Nobody is offended, you just made yourself look like a...well... : fishbone
• How's Vanguard doing nowadays? : enyakk
• the shack is retarded and perpetually in denial of many things : synapse19
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  So a lot of Shackers are playing WoW? I tried the trial a week or so ago and thought it was decent but fe... : Vangoghs Ear
  • Won't matter when the expansion comes - all the fancy gear that people have accumulated will be worthless... : xlarti
• is it free to play yet? I'll play it when it's free or they allow player run servers. : contentious roy
• it sucked. that's pretty much the long and the short of it. : xxiv
• smackpiece loves it and he still plays it. : pancake humper
• It could have been awesome. And then in a matter of weeks Funcom stripped all the fun parts out after lau... : Slowtreme
• it was a pretty good game, but was unfinished and released too early. I plan on trying it again next f... : retardhumper
• The starting area was kind of cool and the rest of the game was a complete failure. Every subsequent patc... : ZombieAcademy

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  EAT A DICK FOR SAYING SOMETHING THAT IS TRUE!! : rasputinreborn
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    OMG WE ALL EAT DICKS ALL THE TIME APPARENTLY! EPIC ILTC POST : conandan
    • WHAT A PIG YOU ARE TO EAT A DICK. : cerealSAM2
  • It is true, but being savvy enough to do something and wanting to do something are two different things. : zehh
• you're saying that's not true? some will also have the cash for new games, but not many : Postal
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  Gears of War on 360 outsold every pc game Epic ever made, and probably outsold 3-4 of them combined. Jus... : GeorgeB3DR
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    George, can you promise to not smear all PC gamers as crooks? I don't care if Epic outsold their entir... : the archvile
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      Honestly though, he's calling out pirates. He's not saying "and that bastard the archville. I'm sure he s... : Sturm08
      • Although he is right on both counts. : Ride-My-Rocket
      • That's the problem, though. In this case he's suggesting that everyone with a high-end system would pirat... : AlexW1203
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      I don't think you're in their target demographic anymore, considering they'll make a killing on consoles.... : ieGod
      • The TRUE real question is, is it worth my time to care? : heartsauce
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      Of course. Just saying that there's more to declining pc sales than meets the eye. : GeorgeB3DR
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        Hey now, are you accusing Optimus Prime of software piracy? : mockery
        • Boy is a hacker, you know it's true. : GeorgeB3DR
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    does that give him the right to accuse me of being a pirate because, of all things, i know how to buy a f... : eeeealmo
    • He didn't accuse you of pirating. He said that high end gamers have the knowledge to pirate, if so willin... : DarkWolf5
    • he never said you will be a pirate, he said that you know all the elements so you can do it : RikiTiki2
    • He didn't say you were a pirate, he said you would be CAPABLE of pirating it. He gives you some credit. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    And mcdonalds outsells the gourment restaurant down on the corner. But I know where I'm eating. : flasher 907
    • Well you're in Canada, so I think you'll be okay. : notd665
    • I love this post so fucking much. : disposition
    • For that to make sense they would have to sell the pc version of the game for $500+ compared to the conso... : Arsenal
    • Burger King? : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    when's the last time a pc game got the kind of marketing gears of war did? : alexthegreat2
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      Spore. : the archvile
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        I didn't see any tv commercials, GoW was a fucking blitz, commercials every break during sports events : alexthegreat2
        • they had a big 2-minute long one before the Daily Show a couple weeks ago. Maybe they didn't do an ad bl... : the archvile
        • Different demographics, different ad campaign. Spore had massive marketing. : Sturm08
        • You're not in Spore's target audience (insofar as you're a "core" gamer and not a "casual" gamer). They'r... : sammyl
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          You don't watch enough TV -- they had commercials all over for that shit. Crazy World or whatever the shi... : disposition
          • I saw a couple of commercials several times. : ShoCon
        • There is a Spore billboard near my house, I can't recall ever seeing a billboard for a PC game before tha : s2jason
      • Spore didn't have anything approaching Gears of War. It had more than your typical PC game for sure, but... : SenorSpine
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      how many PC games have the potential to sell 3-5+ million copies which is why Gears gets that sort of mar... : derelict515
      • see post below. : freakynipples69
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        uh... Half-Life 2 ring a bell? They sold well over one million at retail alone, I'd bet the Steam sal... : deject
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          yes, very well, good point, where as Gears 2, Halo 3 and CoD4 all will end up with 3-8 million+ sold in a... : derelict515
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            STALKER did 2 million without a miltimillion dollar ad campaign on prime time TV. : SenorSpine
            • ok, so targetting the European PC market worked out well for them (you sure there weren't commercials ove... : derelict515
      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Top_PC_sellers_by_genre : SenorSpine
    • World of Warcraft. But that's a freak of nature. : freakynipples69
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      The part that kills me is how GoW had this one single television commercial and all it was was a very cli : Schnapple
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        or hardcore PC gamers are extremely fickle and will 100% refuse to buy otherwise good games and even go s... : derelict515
        • I think Schnapple and derelict515 make great points. : ShoCon
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    Exactly. Epic is just practicing smart business. Anyone of you in their position would do the same exact ... : freakynipples69
    • Until those capitalists on Wall Street gamble us all into oblivion. : heartsauce
  • Honest question: How many console game sales are due to the Blockbusters and Gameflys of the world hav... : Schnapple
  • All that shows anyone is that marketing > gameplay. Not that Gears was a bad game, by any means, but c... : SenorSpine
• He's pretty damn accurate. I think you're just jealous of his hair. : eonix
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  you're not missing much, gears of war wasn't that great anyway : qwpeoriu
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    yes it was, you guys were all over gears dick when it first came out now everyone says it sucks. : gmd
    • The single player campaign is fun because they did such an excellent job with co-op over live. But by the... : qwpeoriu
    • So you've been to the shack before? : the_burd
    • this guy wasn't. it was completely mediocre. : biskits
    • I got a 360 in July. I was pretty unimpressed with Gears after playing it. It really isn't that good of : timmie
    • everyone raved about gears when it first came out. it was a system seller according to how people spoke o... : xxiv
  • Well it was pretty good on 360. It's still one of the best split screen coop games available for that sys... : ieGod
• i'm getting really excited to upgrade my PC this winter, but i'm starting to think that spending the mone... : mindmann
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  lol why? sounds pretty accurate to me : gmd
  • yup. : jackalope
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    I also know how to shoot a gun, along with where to buy one. This does not mean that I will shoot someone... : Ebu
    • the reason your math doesn't work is because you're doing it wrong : Luminair
    • You know how to which is what he is suggesting. : stump
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      That analogy...doesn't quite work : fishbone
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        It's actually a good analogy. If you know how to get a gun and how to use a gun you're way more likely to... : sammyl
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          so, he's saying the mere potential for piracy to happens hurts high end titles? please. : anthonybean
          • Hurts in what way? If you mean in marketing (and therefore sales) then yes. When the suits crunch the num... : sammyl
    • lol what? : xxiv
    • Guns don't kill people, piracy kills people : Magus
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  there's a better reason to not buy Gears Of Wars 2, the first one was kinda rubbishy and generic. : Toraz Chryx
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    lol hating epic is cool now. : gmd
    • No, not hating, just apathy... Unreal Tournament 2004 (which, lets face it, was unreal tournament 2003 : Toraz Chryx
    • ding ding. I hated them before it was cool :( : dafugg
    • no it just wasn't that great... it was good for a bit then it just got boring. I still haven't finishe... : Shadowdane
• usually if you're going to try to act all offended over something, you should probably try to back up why... : synapse19
• Seems pretty accurate. A bit of a generalization about that group, but still.. it's a valid point. Not ne... : K1Bond007
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  cliffyb has been making the same game for 10 years, he just added cover to the last one he made : spaceless
  • if that's the case, then what game doesn't fall into that boat? : synapse19
• There was another game developer that said that exact thing months ago. I remember talking about it with ... : Ellissd
• i mean, you cant say he is wrong. but his argument is pretty simplified. ust because i know how to use bi... : blindi0815
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  Console gamers are retarded? What? Take that back Cliffy. : flasher 907
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    At least one is, the one who doesn't understand the concept of implication in logic. ^^^ : kaddar0
    • I was actually being sarcastic but uh ya. : flasher 907
• i'm saavy enough to use bittorrent, but i don't pirate games. just because i know how to, doesn't mean i ... : anthonybean
• look, its epic bitching about piracy again; don't these guys have something better to do? : Flynn
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  His initial statement is correct. His correlation is debatable. : malevolence
  • Exactly. We all are savvy enough to do it, but that doesn't mean we all do. : OmegaRed59
  • That's a good point. If he'd said "That's one of the reasons contributing to..." then it would have been ... : sammyl
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  what if i pirate his game for the 360 instead? : NexusOne
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    You'll get banned from Live, eventually. : Yanks
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      How is that any different from not being able to play a pirated copy online on a PC? : aggressor
      • I mean, besides the fact that you don't get instantly banned from Live. : aggressor
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        well one would be that if you get banned in Gears 2 you've now forfeited the ability to play any other ga... : derelict515
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          Okay, but the bottom line is that with the PC version, you can never play online with a pirated copy, whe... : aggressor
          • you say easy as if its as simple as downloading the game for the PC, installing a modchip or flashing you... : derelict515
• dead on right. gotta love the e-denial going on here : brewsterdog
• he is pretty much right. also you won't be buying his game because it won't be coming out for the PC : grendel
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  I want to hear someone intelligently challenge the basic logic of what he is saying. : sammyl
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    correctness and douchebaggery are not mutually exclusive. : the archvile
    • I'm just asking for a sound argument that what he's saying is not correct. If what he's saying is corr... : sammyl
    • neither is the latter a good vehicle for the former. : biskits
  • my head almost exploded reading his quote and attempting to decipher his logic. That's enough for one nig... : flasher 907
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    Here is his logic: High End Computer = Savvy -This is provably false, anyone can get a high end mach... : SenorSpine
    • Fail. High end does imply savvy. Yes you CAN get a high end computer without being savvy, but we're no : uncleanmonkey
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  I thought the first one kicked ass. Had so much fun playing co-op and got into the multiplayer for a whil... : bozer
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    Well bozer, thinking the original one sucked has nothing to do with the post either but you see about 5 o... : sammyl
    • Yep, the wierd counter argument that Remo has called out very eloquently several times. : rasputinreborn
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  The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Valve continues to churn out pc-first games yet remains highly pr... : boomstickah
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    The last "high end" game valve put out was Half Life 2 which was release almost 4 years ago. CliffyB is s... : sammyl
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      Yeah, because TF2, Portal, and the Episodes aren't "high end"? : Chepito.
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        TF2 "Minimum: 1.7 GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, DirectX® 8 level Graphics Card" Crysis:CPU: Intel Pentium... : sammyl
        • TF2 actually has trouble on older hardware. I bought Orange Box for my brother but TF2 doesn't run smooth... : Shai-Tan
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        lol, no they aren't. not for today's hardware. : biskits
        • the only thing that's high end on today's hardware is crysis and look where that got it : SockMonkeh
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        TF2's player limit is a stupidly low 24 players because valve wanted to be able to stick low specs on the... : Beady
        • Anything bigger than a 12v12 devolves into a flustercuck. 24 players being the usual limit is a good thin... : AlexW1203
        • There's a mess of 32/33 servers out there. : Merconium
  • yup, and i bet that has something to do with more consumer friendly system reqs for the engine and *gasp*... : anthonybean
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    They arguably make the best shooters around though. The very best will always be profitable, anywhere. ... : GeorgeB3DR
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      i thought 3d realms made the best shooters : spaceless
      • No, they're MAKING the best shooter. allegedly. :p : Toraz Chryx
  • i'd love to see some stats showing "supposed piracy levels" of games that are well made, well supported *... : flasher 907
• wtf242 knows how to look and take creepy pics like a pedophile, but he isn't one. : gmd
• I completely understand this point, but there are a lot of people with hacked xboxes that can just downlo... : shred.
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  How long are they going to tote the piracy scapegoat? After UT3 I refuse to buy another Epic title until... : melkore
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    So you're saying Crysis, probably the biggest pirated game ever, wasn't a good game? : freakynipples69
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      The numbers Crytek put out for it's pirated numbers defies logic. Crytek essentially said 15-20 MILLION ... : melkore
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        Honestly, I think their numbers are just plain wrong. I'd be amazed if there are 15-20 million PCs that c... : Vincent Grayson
        • that could also be why there are so many pirated versions though, people who're unsure of whether it woul... : derelict515
      • You spend a good 3 years developing a game. You put a lot of money into it, and even more hours of hard w... : freakynipples69
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      I'll certainly say it. I loved Far Cry, but Crysis (what I played of it) left me cold. : Ebu
      • Me too. Loved Far Cry, and hated Crysis. Before anyone says it, yes i bought both. : baron calamity
      • Man I'm completely the opposite. Far Cry was just a glorified tech demo. It had shit AI, no story, boring... : marmite
  • How long are you going to tote the "piracy scapegoat" scapegoat. Seriously, several developers say it is... : Judecca
• eeeealmo was a Pirate without a cause. And now he has one. : Sailor of Fortune
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  He has such a strong and valid point though. Everyone that is hating on him is taking his words WAY out o... : freakynipples69
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    i refuse to spend $50 - $60 for a game.. but that doesn't mean i pirate it. I'll just wait for sales / st... : Demius
    • same here. : anthonybean
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    1) He is clearly implying that there is a correlation between nice video cards and piracy. BAN VIDEO CARD... : Ebu
    • 1) Of course there is. You just reiterated what I said. 2) Exaggeration. : freakynipples69
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  I don't see anything wrong with that statement? he didn't say "everyone who owns a high end video card is... : MikkleThePickle
  • If you're a good chef, you're probably good with a knife, and you can probably use one to kill someone. ... : AlexW1203
• if you're savvy enough to write games, then you must also be savvy enough to crack games. maybe game com... : skryte
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  Piracy is rampant on PC, period. When people get all hot and bothered it reminds me of the old days when ... : Shai-Tan
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    now-a-days you don't need the $2,000 computer to play top of the line games though. My rig can play crysi... : Demius
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      that doesn't make any difference really since the issue is with the presentation of opportunity costs tha... : Shai-Tan
      • i'm just pointing out that everyone is comparing 2k computers when < $800 computers will still run the ga... : Demius
• You would think that a person who is savvy enough to create a high end games such as Gears of War, is a p... : baron calamity
• for fucks sake. even microsoft has online activation you fucker. they know folks pirate shit, and have ta... : Downforce
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  Internet drama, yay. Let's try as hard as we can to be offended. : Johnny Law
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    so, you're saying i'm easily offended, you cocksucking motherfucking bastard? : mindmann
    • No no! I admire the effort you've exerted to get there! : Johnny Law
• i would say more people know how to bittorent than build a pc : synack
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  OK, stupid question time... If PC games are so prone to piracy via file sharing (i.e. BitTorrent), why... : Colleton
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    It's way harder to pirate console games than PC games. PC is Download game, burn or mount, and play. ... : sammyl
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      ^^^ I think there is some sort of DRM in hardware going on. From my limited knowledge, I believe the bina... : terath
      • OK, that makes sense I guess. Thanks! : Colleton
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  hahah take it so seriously eeealmo : FrayLo
  • hey, he called him a dumb prick, other terms are reserved for valve! : Downforce
• Yeah and just because someone knows how to shoot a gun doesn't mean they'll go kill someone. :/ : terath
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  Release it on Steam, that fixes a lot of problems right there. It greatly reduces the amount of day 0 pir : Serpico74
  • My understanding is that you can virtually 0 day all Steam games. I know browsing Usenet a few years ago... : GeorgeB3DR
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    Steam makes things easy for people who legitimately want to purchase a game, but anyone who wants a pirat... : Tripps
    • I never said it would eliminate it, but I did say (as you did) that it would make it easy for people who ... : Serpico74
  • AmazonMP3 for example. My wallets not too happy though. : DarkWolf5
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    Unfortunately, the cost of releases on Steam constitute an obstacle. Any obstacle on the PC, because o... : rasputinreborn
    • Like I said, it won't stop people who want to steal. People who are on the fence about it and download mo... : Serpico74
• I bought Gears of War (PC) for $24 a few months ago and did not enjoy it. I would gladly have downloaded... : Dechter
• Great logic. I know all about that stuff, and I buy all my games. I also bought 2 copies of Gears of Wa... : CrustaR
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  Someday he'll cry about Used Games and Rentals. : Sixcos
  • I'm sure he's working up to it. : ShoCon
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  Clifford, I know plenty of 360 gamers who haven't purchased a single 360 game. Ah well. : tomservo
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    That's the vast minority though. : Fred Garvin
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      Yes, but with console you can rent a game which you can't do on PC. I own 4 games for my 360, but have pl... : thetangent
      • So, are you saying that more console owners rent or get games through other means than buy them? : Fred Garvin
  • ok.. And? that's right tomservo... AND??? : rasputinreborn
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  So is it possible in 2008 to release a PC game that cannot be pirated? I know the gut answer is "no" but ... : baconisgod
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    Because there's no encryption or DRM or anything else in the world that can't be beaten by someone just a... : Vincent Grayson
    • Yep, people do it for all kinds of reasons. Plus only one person or group has to succeed, then it's ever... : DinK
  • for the same reason its impossible to release a game on the 360 in 2008 that can not be pirated. Some peo... : Demius
  • PC is an open platform; it's fairly easy to both crack releases, and also distribute easily installed and... : rasputinreborn
  • because if it can be constructed then it can be deconstructed : derelict515
• most of the 360 owners I know don't buy games for it, they sure do play plenty though. : Grandmoff
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  It couldn't be because GoW sucked though huh? : Phreakin
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    http://chrisremo.com/bloggin/2008/08/02/an-ill-advised-raving-rant-on-pc-piracy/#more-69 Some argument : rasputinreborn
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      Not sure what the point is. I played it on the 360 and thought it sucked. Had no reason to buy it on PC a... : Phreakin
      • Please read the whole article - you are who Remo was talking to in his post. : rasputinreborn
  • come on, that doesn't make any sense. The game got rave reviews from players and publications alike. It s... : MikkleThePickle
  • no, that's definitely not it http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928234.asp?q=gears%20of%20war : derelict515
• So the high-end videogame market is suffering in part because its target audience generally knows how to ... : Sapiens
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  What's high end? If I drop 10 k american on a PC why would I risk that investment with god knows what's o... : massdev
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    they invest in DRM to solve piracy, and then give away free ongoing content and still don't see the same ... : derelict515
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      If we can expect Unreal Tournament 3-quality PC games from Epic in the future, I'm okay if they stick to ... : Sapiens
      • yeah, by all accounts that's true and I'm sure they know it, it's just extremely amusing watching the PC ... : derelict515
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      How does DRM solve piracy, what value does it add for developers? : massdev
      • ... it stops casual piracy (me giving the game to a friend) which means people would have to buy the game... : derelict515
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  seriously you guys are babies who take things way too personal. He's being honest and truthful. : dilutedq
  • I've already filed a defamation of character suit. : DarkWolf5
  • EPIC IS FUCKING US DON'T YOU SEE!?!?!? : derelict515
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    not to mention the fact that even flat out morons know how to pirate. I know a lot of people (friends...... : dilutedq
    • ok look we need DON'T COPY THAT FLOPPY in this bitch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4 so... : Downforce
  • No, he is looking for a scapegoat as to why his last two games didn't sell on the pc. Every game gets pir... : baron calamity
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  And by the same logic shouldn't those of us that can afford $1500 "high end" PC's (that we built) also af... : sixfoot6
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    some probably build such a machine with the expectation that they can get all the games for free : derelict515
    • bingo : dilutedq
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      what does this mean? they purposely spend their "gaming budget" on a better rig with the expectation that... : sixfoot6
      • if you can afford $!500 at once does not mean you can afford $!00 a month for games... that's wrong point... : dilutedq
• If only there was some way to pirate video cards! : Judecca
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  Why is everyone getting so upset? CliffyB is making a damned valid point. : ColoradoCNC
  • It's the internet, and these are gamers.... it's like asking why the moon is made of cheese. : rasputinreborn
  • The titanic can never sink! : DarkWolf5
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  Maybe it's because the Gears of War PC port sucked balls, CliffyB. SUCKED. BALLS. : Rice-Rocketeer
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    I bought a copy and won one from a Shack contest, and my cousin and I still haven't played because last t... : Rice-Rocketeer
    • I got a copy cheap at Target. $11 I think. Never could get it to work. : baron calamity
• oh stop whining, it's so fucking obvious piracy is affecting PC sales, why the fuck should he not complai... : moshman
• So proud, such pride, when most of you pirate games anyways, I bet, or have; and what he is saying is abs... : thief
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  if you buy a $1500 pc and you pirate a game right after... something is really wrong. : giantshift
  • Why is that? You just spent all your money on a PC! : Trips
  • Your post reads to me as if you are wanting people to be rational, in that economic, money-spending sense... : thief
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    Ignoring the moral issues, it makes perfect sense. Pirating games is easy. Stealing or otherwise acquirin... : Vincent Grayson
    • ^^^^^^ Pirate, and no the good kind of pirate : r3dn3ck
• I'm a PC guy, everyone knows I'm a PC guy, I can't shut up about it, but Cliffy is essentially correct. 1... : SpaecKow
• The people who are savy enough but can't afford the hardware, that's your target. : graceofdragons
• Which part of what he said is making you angry? I'm savvy enough to build my own PC, and I know how to us... : rock elf
• Cool, so I'm a software pirate now? The jaundiced eye sees all things yellow or? : aaarrrgh
• I'm seeing this as a common trend this year. X companies game not flying off the shelves? Its piracy. ... : jasoncrowley
• He does have a point. Solution: Focus on gameplay not graphical gimmicks. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• dick or not, i'm still hot for gears 2 on xbox! : xxiv
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  Honestly it takes very little technical expertise to pirate anything, and in a lot of cases you'll know s... : fen boi
  • i'm borrowing my brothers copy of gears on xbox right now. :O : xxiv
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  Strange how people take any criticism of pirates so personally, while still swearing that they aren't pir... : uncleanmonkey
  • are you calling him a pirate? this is a thinly veiled insult : kill9
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    I don't like being accused of being a pirate. That's what I take offense to. I know how to upgrade ... : ThomW
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      I don't think CliffyB is accusing you. He's saying that if you were somebody comfortable with pirating, y... : rock elf
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        http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=eTwWLXSpABg Second hit in Google using "free sims download". The first h... : Marauder IIC
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          I hope that everyone that tries this gets a fucking virus. : ThomW
          • Seconded. : jasoncrowley
      • That's a pretty weak connection. How many instructables are there surrounding the subject? Google any pop... : jasoncrowley
    • Shut up Pirate! : soggybagel
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    Its somewhat similar to being called a ricer because you drive a stock Honda. Cliff tries to paint ... : jasoncrowley
    • port 7 ^was : jasoncrowley
  • He's calling PC gamers pirates. So if you are a PC gamer who is not a pirate, it's appropriate for you t... : elwood00
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  The only answer: Make console games playable with mouse and keyboard and no one will look at a PC again. ... : festivalman
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    This is not true. : Chepito.
    • Agreed. The only answer is love. : elwood00
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    The opposite is true. Make mouse and keyboard PC games work on a console w/ a gamepad and no one will loo... : PoopStewart
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      You ask the impossible, M+K will always offer the possibility of better game control than gamepad : boring gegtik
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        yeah gonna have me a big lol when endwar and halo wars and all that other silly crap comes out. : SpaecKow
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          you know if we could just get FPSs to work on ipod clickwheels then people would give up gamepads : boring gegtik
          • if we only we could replace gas pedals with an on/off button! : boring gegtik
• epic fail : SlamDunk
• Sounds about right to me : chazums
• And here is me thinking that people who can afford to drop a shitload of cash on a new GFX card would als... : Beady
• I think this exactly describes ONE problem with PC sales-everyone that wants to steal, can and does. And ... : freqq28

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  it's mostly odd because presumably they're working off real images for reference when they're making all ... : derelict515
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    In CS, they originally had the hands held lefty style, so it made sense. Then, people complained so they ... : retarded talking dinosaur
    • Everyone should play CS with the left hand view. : deject
    • Ming Le was left-handed and he did the models, hence lefty style. But people were like "WTF you future f... : proclone1
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  Because it's cooler to see the shells flying directly in front of you. : Chepito.
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    ^^^ It's one of those artistic decisions; eye candy. : ShoCon
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      Surely you can understand retarded talking dinosaur's opinion in this matter, though. While a lot of peop... : SockMonkeh
      • You know, swooshing windows and beep boop bop sound effects are cooler. : SockMonkeh
      • Oh, I totally agree with him. I don't really know much about guns myself, but I definitely appreciate an ... : ShoCon
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    Wouldn't it make more sense to just make the person you play left-handed instead? I always preferred g... : SilverSnake
    • as a righty i find playing a lefty in first-person feels really odd : shika.art
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  Giant Internet RAWR incoming : conandan
  • RAWR.. : RookieCAF
• The reload animation on that must be really awkward : Theos
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  That is seriously going to hurt the immersion. : zanzares
  • How about all the fixing engines with just a socket wrench? : ShoCon
• I think this is stupid as well. I still haven't seen a game that does muzzle flashes well, it's always... : Sailor of Fortune
• I wish I could find a real left-handed 1903. : Colleton
• That's it, canceling my preorder! : sandcrab
• how am I going to learn to go on killing sprees from video games this way?!!?! : cap n KRUNCH
• why is there sound in space wtf : Luminair
• end of the world right here folks. unimportant minutia ruins highly anticipated AAA game. might as well... : grifter
• This makes me cringe, but then I realize its just a videogame :) : RookieCAF
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  This is why you guys went extinct. : Super Sparker
  • haha, good one. : ShoCon
• The military group he is attacking are left handed clones, and he has to make do with what he can procure... : DarkWolf5
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  its actually set in an alternate left handed universe : retardhumper
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    It's DirectX, so it's a left-handed coordinate system by default... : RomSteady
    • I actually laughed out loud at that. I wouldn't have understood it were I not currently learning Dir... : GoS-CPT-Stewart
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      [lol] [inf] : mockery
      • :( : mockery
      • pity lol : r3dn3ck
  • Then why is the player shooting right-handed? Do you play the only proper right-handed person in some aw... : DinK
• I assume it's so that you can watch the shells eject and fly across the screen. I'd rather have them just... : SockMonkeh
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  OMG that's it. Enough is enough. I was already bummed due to the whole stock market thing but this is too... : Sgt_Boomstick
  • Kool-aid for everyone :( : yosemiteclimber
• i love it. buying the game now just because of that. : bozer
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  aesthetics... it looks better is the reason that they did it : sKetchflow
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    Except to those of us who aren't ignorant, it looks stupid : lja83
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      Exactly. They are obviously going for realism, seems like such an odd thing to do... : .frame
      • at least a weapon can still function if its design was reversed. its an ok compromise IMO there's probab... : shika.art
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      I love posts like these - people who don't know about guns are ignorant! : jbury
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        Only if you go by the definition of ignorant! : SockMonkeh
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          hahaha : rock elf
          • I... ouch :( : jbury
    • fucking lol. : moshman
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  I don't understand how this kind of error gets perpetuated. Because nobody cares? : sgtsanity
  • "The Internet" doesn't count : sgtsanity
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew : alarm cock
• Not everyone was raised believing the Terminator scenario would happen someday. : Vangoghs Ear
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  That's nothing - players perform life-saving surgery on themselves simply by wrenching shrapnel out of th... : A Sponge
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    but does he hold lefty pliers in his right hand? (just pretend I said scissors instead of pliers and it ... : .frame
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      If a player were about to perform critical self-surgery and stopped to think "WAIT A SECOND! THESE ARE LE... : A Sponge
      • Hey, I just use a Healthpack. : Vangoghs Ear
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    If it was a medicine game that would be a legitimate complaint. THIS IS A GUN GAME. And they got the guns : retarded talking dinosaur
    • GUN GAME. BOOM GAME. (bangs rocks together) : Vangoghs Ear
• i wonder how the third person reload animation for that gun even works, seriously. : Foxhawk
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  Just fooled around in Crysis a bit for comparison. Obviously all spent brass ejects to the right, additio... : zanzares
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    Crysis is a really well made game and it all runs on a beautiful engine and I wish it would get more love... : SockMonkeh
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      It will from me as soon as I finish Far Cry. I have an M16 and only 10 rounds and am surrounded by Trigen... : zanzares
      • Just cheat and get through it. You'll be better off that way! : MacemanInTW
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        If you were playing Crysis you would have a nanosuit and you could grab that trigen by its nuts and then ... : SockMonkeh
        • If that were true, the last third of Crysis would also be a far better game : nodebug
      • Sounds like you're past the best parts of Far Cry. Just turn on cheat codes, check out what's at the end... : DinK
      • It sounds like you're on the damn Dam level. After you go over the waterfall just swim along the river un : ShoCon
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      I just replayed it, and I agree. Man I would love to see a detailed RPG in that engine. : DinK
      • Wizardry 9 plz kthxbye : Cliffzorz
  • That's just lazy animation work there for a AAA title. : Wisp!
  • this irks me more than the reversed model. I hate it when they just show the cocking animation when you ... : deject
  • Yeah, the level of detail put into the weapons is pretty impressive. : Arcanum
• i am so upset over this - my hands are shaking and i feel like i have to puke : nomaad
• OH MY GOD : vigilante
• Just play the game in a mirror, problem solved! :D : nodebug
• S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'d : contentious roy
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  The only thing worse than nerds are gun nuts. : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • what about Nerdy Firearm Enthusiasts? Which caliber is the largest? .380 ACP, .357 Magnum, .38 Spec : jasoncrowley
• it's a video game? who cares if the guns are not 100% identical to real world counter parts? : metalremains
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  NOW YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE LEFT-HANDED YOU BIGOTS : elwood00
  • I feel your pain since I shoot left handed even though I am right handed. : Evil Benius
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  Is that a slap bracelet from 1993 on his wrist? : Magus
  • in what cultural backwater did slap bracelets take until 1993 to be introduced? : boring gegtik

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  5769!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : Jackass1233
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    what? : conandan
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      thats the year on the jewish calendar. 5769. : Jackass1233
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        WOOTAGE : conandan
        • Jews live in the FUTURE?!? : heartsauce
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    I sent out an e-mail to my boss that said tonight I'm gonna party like it's 5769. He called me a JewNerd.... : laurgasms
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      I smell lawsuit :D : conandan
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        you sure you weren't jewish already? j/k don't sue me : RikiTiki2
        • baaazzzinggg! : conandan
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  Shackjews REPRESENT! : notd665
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    I am actually in the process of converting to a conservative jew! Going to temple for Rosh hashanah for ... : conandan
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      hope she's worth it : RikiTiki2
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        lol, actually, the fundamental beliefs of Judaism fall in line with my own personal beliefs quite well. ... : conandan
        • Three thousand years of beautiful tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax... : dirge23
        • so it is for a chick then? : the city
      • lollllllllllllllllll so god damn true : the city
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      Mazal tov! What brought this about? : notd665
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        not having a faith that I really believed in, I've been a non-practicing catholic for YEARS. Getting eng... : conandan
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          lol : RikiTiki2
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            Why the lol? I think what conandan is doing is great. : notd665
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              just a hunch : RikiTiki2
              • also http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=18057037 : RikiTiki2
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              there is a lot of hate for religion here on the shack, and most of it stems from christian fundamentalist... : conandan
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                i'm not lol'ing at judaism. if it floats your boat, cool. i'm lol'ing at the inevitable fallout : RikiTiki2
                • yeah. 'converting' for a chick is about the worst idea i've ever heard of ever. next to mccain for pres... : the city
              • I have nothing but respect. Best of luck to you. : Sturm08
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                  Messianic Judaism is not Judaism, this is what I was told by my Rabbi Jews for Jesus are not Judaism : conandan
                  • One thing that you'll discover in Judaism is that there are a number of things that change from Rabbi to ... : exigence7
              • Isn't faith inherent in the first of the Ten Commandments? : dirge23
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                I don't want to get too into this tonight, but my wife converted as well, and it truly is a great thing i... : angrytaxman
                • Also, are you going to get circumcised or if you already are, are they going to do a "prick of the prick"... : angrytaxman
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          hey I'd convert to whatever for chicks too amirite shack or amirite lol : Downforce
          • dudes converting to religions for wiminz. that's how you definitely know it's the shack. it's like turn... : the city
          • that's always been my policy too. fortunately my fiancee is nonreligious : dirge23
    • gonna be cohendan? : cerealSAM2
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      the big question: are you getting circumcised (or re-circumcised)? : dirge23
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        already circumcised. The rabbi has to give you a "prick" with a needle for symbolic reasons. It won't d... : conandan
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          yeah a friend of mine did that not too long ago. ...2 seconds? how long does a normal circumcision tak... : dirge23
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            yes, and you have to use a buttplug because the pain is so horrible that you would otherwise shit everwhe... : conandan
            • what's hebrew for buttplug? : dirge23
  • Not Jewish myself, but I will be marrying one, so does that make me an honorary? : thetangent
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  Funny, you don't look Jewish. : Thresher
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    neither does my fiance. Shes got red hair and freckles : conandan
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      I don't believe you. You'll need to post pictures to verify this. : notd665
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        http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0177um0.jpg : conandan
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          thats her and I at our engagement party : conandan
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            Wow, I always imagined you as much more menacing-looking. : notd665
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              I took off my horns for that : conandan
              • :D : notd665
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          She's cute, and you look nothing at all like I expected you to. : ColoradoCNC
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            she has a huge forehead though : mnok
            • I am kidding by the way, she is a cute jew : mnok
        • wow, she's a real cutie! : thetangent
• Happy Jew Year!! : dirge23
• does this mean FIFTY DKP MINUS in jewspeak ??? : Downforce
• may all ya motherfuckers be written in the book of life y'alllllllllllllll : Deathlove
• DOUBLE JEW SIGNING IN : Majuju
• Happy New Year to all of my Hebrew Crew. : angrytaxman
• Shalom to my Jewish brothers from your Christian friend! ;D : deject
• SHANA TOVA INTERNET FRIENDS : ninjase
• yeah you get a freaking month to celebrate new years >:( : creep
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  sexninja and ninjase I need that Rosh Hashanah Israel mupet video. I've had that damn song stuck in my h... : rosewood
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    Fuck it, found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZLq_JB8H44 : rosewood
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      you son of a bitch >:( : yosemiteclimber
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        oh it gets better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1yKG-4--lY WTF IS THIS SEXNINJA : Downforce
        • i blame zionism : ninjase
      • That has been stuck in my head for a year* * Whenever he posted it. : rosewood
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      lols : ninjase
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        I had to drive through your alma mater today. My preggo wife made me drive to Lawrence for Dunkin Donuts ... : rosewood
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          are there no dunkin donuts outside of lawrence? also you shoulda gone to yellosub ftmfw. also la parilla ... : ninjase
          • Yellow sub has expanded like mad since you were there. We have them in Wichita. : rosewood
• Lagasna Toyota to you too! : TastyWheat
• I think I dated her in college : drucifer
• My stomach is full of gefiltefish and herring! OY! : oo7|bond