No TF2 At E3

It looks like q3f ( www.q3fortress.com ) is coming out next weekend so at least we should have something to pass the time with

Guess I should make sure to state that that's MY opinion.

I think a lot of people have forgotten a very fundamental rule:

All the curves and details in the world won't make a deathmatch level fun.

hmmmm, read the posts and have yet to read one post that tries to explain why TF2 is being delayed.... which is OBVIOUS if this news is true.

TF2 is up against Tribes2 and Halo in the release timeframe. They took a look at both games and said "damn". Valve is up against some serious competition and they saw TF2, as it was going to be, would not 'cut the mustard' so to speak. So they need additional time to develop the game. IMHO.

does anybody know the link to Meia-Boca Games News site?
thanx

Now, if you want to talk about hitching and other sudden severe drops in performance, then let's talk. But if you're gonna whine and bitch because your min performance level is 35 frames per second, you're a spoiled little bitch.

Hell, I've got 3dfx cards in my system, and my min is 20 frames per second...average is 30-35. I still have fun, and I have aim that's just as good (read: bad) in UT as it is in faster-running games.

Most likely a Voodoo3 since UT's D3D code isn't all that great, now that I think about it.

if I tweak my settings I easily get solid 60's and 70's with my Fury. 48 is with full detail settings. I can't believe that my 450+fury outperforms an 800+GeforceDDR.

From a financial perspective, I can see Valve's motives here. HL for the DC will probably sell like hotcakes. At least, it will to DC owners who do NOT have PCs that is... (How many is that I wonder? Methinks not too many...)

TF2, while highly anticipated, will probably not make nearly as much as HL for the DC potentially will. Let's face it, PC games just don't make that much money anymore. They are usually warez'd hours after being released, not as many people own current "gaming" level PCs as own consoles, and console games are much easier to market.

From a gamers perspective, this totally blows. RELEASE TF2 ALREADY, DAMNIT!! Argh, damn delays... at least there are plenty of other options out there right now, but damnit, TF2 sounds freaking cool.

"However, performance is still way below where it needs to be. When a Quake3 timedemo gets 120+fps on this machine in 640x480 and UT timedemo gets.. uhmm... 45fps.. something is wrong."

Whine whine whine.
45 frames per second is fine.
And hey, this rhymes. (sorry)

Seriously...John Carmack should dump id Software, Epic should dump Sweeney, and the two should work together. Then we'd have one company that has a head programmer who knows how to create engines and game designers who actualyl know how to create games. :)

The next time I'm going to test to see if I like UT again will be on the day each of these 2 mods comes out.

http://www.planetunreal.com/arena/

http://www.unrealfortress.com/

Just let me in on a secret here... I have been downloading quite a few UT user created maps and more often than not the frame rate sucks ass. I know that you are supposed to optimise your maps for reduced space on the screen at any one time when the user is walking around but I have noticed maps that do not look particulary demanding in the number of edges and polygons displayed and they still slow down. This is in comparison to similar styled maps designed by the Epic/DE guys. Is there some reason for this? Do users just not think clearly when they design maps or is there a step they miss in the creation process that makes them suck ass for performance.

...cost 'OF GAMES' even... apologies...

I think UT was one of the reasons that TF2 got delayed on the first place. They probably look at the "Assault" and how bots are good at the teamplay in UT and said: "Oh, shit! Now we have to beat that"
Fine by me, delay it, as long as at the end a very good game comes out.

Damn you Valve.....Damn you.

Man, i just can't see dreamcast HL being good at all, there simply aren't enough buttons on the joypad

Mark my words: Daikatana in two (insert your lucky number here) years.

mofo.

Mark my words: TF2 in two years.

Considering the Jaguar, Neo-Geo and Saturn all 'failed' because they didn't have critical market mass necessary to keep the owners buying games, the Dreamcast is most definitely a success. It's got something like 1.9+ million units sold. Absolutely a successful system.

They just need the games now.

IMHO the Sega Dreamcast console system ranks up there in the failure column with the Atari Jaguar and the Neo Geo. Sure, for the time each system had great graphics and ahead of their time technology, but none of those systems caught on. This brings to mind the Sega Saturn as well.