Capcom Blames Piracy for Poor DMC4 PC Sales

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  Would you say you lose more sales to piracy or rentals & used game sales? : Wombat Woo
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    There isn't a big market for PC rentals and used games sales for our games. Used games are a problem, tho... : gnoleb
    • For $30, I think I'd probably buy more games instead of trying the demo and saying "Eh I'll wait for it t... : Gusty1
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      That doesn't make sense, I'd rather pay $30 than buy a game thats free? Also console games sell like m... : SlingBlaze
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        I don't know of too many games that are free. Also, I guess you don't know economics, either, since t... : gnoleb
        • But if the PC gaming community is doing GREAT they will raise the prices of future sales. Obviously they... : SlingBlaze
    • I would agree to the '30 price point' theory.. i picked up Grid on the PC for 40 bucks when the 360 / ps3... : Demius
    • I stopped in Fry's a few days ago and saw Crackdown for $29 and Condemned 1 for $9. I bought both without... : project13
• Ideally all the terrible games will be developed for consoles and online subscriptions, then the little g... : Xenotu
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  What the fuck is this? amateur hour? What games and where is the report that contains those statistic... : NoCopy
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    Yo NoCopy, dig your head out of the sand. A DMC4 torrent has 800 seeders and 2800 leechers over at Min : MercFox1
    • It is sad because people, for some reason, don't want to believe it. But it is a big deal. : gnoleb
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      But the question is, how many of those who downloaded and *didn't* buy the game would have bought it were... : Vincent Grayson
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        Agreed. Any $number of "losses to piracy" computed assumes that everyone who was counted pirating the ga... : Aadi
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          as is assuming none of the downloaders would otherwise purchase it. fallacies are about logic, not the ba... : Shai-Tan
          • The last time I heard someone talk about it, it was Crytek talking about Crysis piracy. They mentioned th... : xsoulbrothax
      • This is it right here. Someone might pirate a game for the heck of it, but that doesn't mean they had any... : thewindcriesmary
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        Exactly, the entire argument is based on the premise that some significant portion of pirates would becom... : yourGarbageMan
        • but but but he's doing data mining : booyaka
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          There is common sense. There is no fucking way that all those pirates would just stop playing games if... : navelskrutt
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            Nobody here is *defending* piracy. We all seem to agree that it's bad, and that finding a way to stop ... : Vincent Grayson
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              That's the stupidest things I've ever heard. We don't know how much money is lost so until these argument... : navelskrutt
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                When did I just say we should let piracy run rampant? Oh wait, I didn't. What I said is we have NO ... : Vincent Grayson
                • You did say that. You said we should stop debating the issue until there are solid numbers, which is esse... : navelskrutt
                • It costs enough that many if not most devs are seriously considering abandoning the PC gaming market. Th... : rasputinreborn
        • gnoleb just told you how his employer gets data on how many people play a pirated copy, they don't just p... : yuried
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  so you're assuming everyone on shack steals games or something? And your professional demeanor really spe... : Bantis
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    I don't understand what that has to do with anything. And if you are looking for professionalism in the c... : gnoleb
    • you little fucker : aeg1x
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      I agree Bantis. From the looks of your previous comments on Shack Gnoleb I'd assume you are a legit em... : f4lln
      • He assumes a lot of people on the internet do - now the Shack might be a bad example, but take a certain ... : yuried
  • He also assumes everyone single one of us plays pc games and not consoles. Based on the ps3 vs console f... : SlingBlaze
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    What twisted thought path led you to this conclusion? He's basically saying 1. He works in the PC gam... : Sapiens
    • Thanks. I don't know why everyone plunges off the deep end. Our company is now adjusting our business str... : gnoleb
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      Well, the whole "until you little fuckers stop stealing games" was what tipped me off; not sure about you... : Bantis
      • "you little fuckers" was a typo, he clearly meant BANTIS : Sapiens
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        And yet there are thousands, at this moment right now, stealing this game that controls like shit and has... : gnoleb
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          ...how doesn't it. It takes almost no effort to pirate a game, especially financially. Lets see here........ : Bantis
          • and yea that should've been a question mark. I need to stop posting as I'm going to bed! : Bantis
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            good games are pirated just as much, and all PC releases are suffering (especially compared to console ve... : yuried
            • No, but then you get into hardware; even in my friends, 90% of them don't play PC games cause they have n... : Bantis
  • Read the posts here. A lot of people here do. They try to pretend that ther's some higher purpose for the... : navelskrutt
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  Yeah because console games can't be pirated right? : 5150Joker
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    Console piracy faces higher technical barriers and the average user's tech level is lower. : Aadi
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      Ha yeah right! Changing the firmware on the 360 can be done by almost anyone. My moron cousin that barely... : 5150Joker
      • It can be done, but it isn't done. Very few people are prepared to break open their consumer electronics. : navelskrutt
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  warning long and ranty with your "data mining techniques" it makes me wonder exactly what tells you ... : chaos4u
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    he is obviously making it up, I don't know what the fuss is about.. he is not any kind of insider, but so... : paranos
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      no, he's probably telling the truth. i know some companies have done similar things or been looking at it... : xsoulbrothax
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        I'm not saying it's not true, but this guy is making it up by saying he is insider and all that nonsense.... : paranos
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          information. like i said, EA's been doing something similar with bittorrent for a while too, but they don... : xsoulbrothax
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            they've figured it out already - put out moronic DRM measures as to gimp out legit customers with limited... : paranos
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              hm. i bought the game, and it was pretty problem-free.. i like that you simply don't need the disc in the... : xsoulbrothax
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                There's truth in what you say, but look - all of those copy protection schemes don't do shit really and o... : paranos
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                  so how exactly does it really punish the average consumer? it used to be 'needing the disc in the drive, ... : xsoulbrothax
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                    So, I paid 50$ and have to put up with all that shit and some moron clicking 3 times on "teh internetz" g... : paranos
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                      what shit, a majority of people has no problems with any copy protection schemes, I mean I'm no fan of th... : yuried
                      • and average pirate will care even less and won't have any problems what so ever.. : paranos
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                      yes, seriously.. what shit do you put up with? you don't even need the disc in the drive, and a ton of LE : xsoulbrothax
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                        I'm telling you last time now.. what use of that protection companies have other than potentially unsatis... : paranos
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                          what shit do you put up with? : xsoulbrothax
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                            for example, I had bought EA's game digitally and lost couple of days to get it working. after reinstalli... : paranos
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                              but that is not the real trouble in itself, the point is SYSTEM IS MEANINGLESS.. : paranos
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                                wait, so you had a problem with a digital download that uses a different DRM scheme than the disc-based o... : xsoulbrothax
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                                  ok, now you're bullshitting.. let me make it simple for you: pirates have 0 problems with copy protection... : paranos
                                  • to finish: they called the trouble to themselves by imposing that protection on their games , which made ... : paranos
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      lol...your teenage angst is very amusing to me : ColoradoCNC
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        I'm glad you feel amused, for what reason I'm not certain, but I'll guess you're some random moron babbli... : paranos
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          lol, you keep getting funnier. Actually, as opposed to a moron babbling stupid shit, I'm someone who cove... : ColoradoCNC
          • Justify... piracy.. what? :) : paranos
  • Think it through, duder. If you were the head of a publicly traded company that relies on your stock pric... : gnoleb
• Expect to make smarter business decisions and do more online account games or go out of business. ... : ease one
• I don't need insider information to know that your games suck. : aldraek
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  So I traced your username and found this interesting post of your about piracy from 2006 http://maaz.... : scener
  • I stand firm- the FBI shouldn't be investigating. I don't think I've ever suggested otherwise. This is a ... : gnoleb
  • i don't see how this in anyway affects his claims or statement : Bantis
  • internet detective on the lose. yes, that is spelled right : rasputinreborn
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  I think the reason you see so many people complaining is both because a lot of people on here do buy thei... : Schnapple
  • I really think that the doom-and-gloom PC Games Are Dying scenario can be discounted by now. The PC marke... : booyaka
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  It's hard to refute cold hard facts like "because I said it is." : tree8
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    It is equally as valid as many of you saying, "Piracy happens / isn't a concern because X". And I can ass... : gnoleb
    • you know, i don't doubt what you're saying at all. i'm trying to guess which company you're at and which ... : xsoulbrothax
• :-DDDDDD : verminer
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  Lemme know which 2 games your company made so I know who to avoid like the plague. Spyware in my game? ... : TheStupidOne
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    i really don't think the copy protection schemes factor into causing people to pirate. imo they used to be a lot worse in the past, and nobody really noticed or cared until -after- the fact, when they actually hear something's being done and are explicitly told it's supposed to be bad. then you suddenly see a lot of internet people up in arms about something, and you're wondering why they didn't complain when Diablo 2 used SecuROM that actually fucked with your drive's hardware.
    
    for some people it's a serious issue, yeah, and it sounds like it is for you. but it seems many just parrot what they hear and don't know wtf when it comes to what they boycott and why.

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    i really don't think the copy protection schemes factor into causing people to pirate. imo they used to b... : xsoulbrothax
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      It is definitely for me because I have legitimate tools I use as part of being a software developer that ... : TheStupidOne
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        Yeah, this I understand and agree with. The part where a 17 year old posting at GameFAQs reads what you s... : xsoulbrothax
        • Oh there's never any justification for downloading games. I don't care what excuses you make, that's wha... : TheStupidOne
    • There's truth in what you say, but look - all of those copy protection schemes don't do shit really and o... : paranos
  • Who said they were using spywares to monitor piracy? I have a friend that works for EA and they have peo... : razlebol
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    I take it you don't play any Valve games then, since the contain "spyware" which reports how far you got ... : nudel
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      Steam is totally different, in that it's 1) very transparent in what they do, 2) has the ability to opt o... : TheStupidOne
      • So so long as it says "I'm phoning home to check you're allowed to use this stuff" (or "Authenticating" o... : nudel
  • which came first; piracy or antipiracy measures? : rasputinreborn
• Good. Anything to prevent piracy and promote the platform. : Sylvanus
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  Tell your company to make better games and maybe people won't "steal" them. : mourningstar
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    Yes and tell them to launch the Pc version simultaneously with the console version, not months after it. : Longgshot
    • You and parent are exactly why PC has become a second tier platform. Sigh. : rasputinreborn
  • I'm writing to Adobe right now about how they can stop people pirating Photoshop by making it better! : nudel
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    Are there two grades for game quality? Good enough to buy, and good enough to steal? Who steals things th... : gnoleb
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      Well.. its more like different kind of customer, a happy customer would probably buy that game and future... : Longgshot
      • actually Blilzzard requires players to have a persistent login for the most popular part of their games: ... : yuried
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  And what, people don't pirate Console games? Yeah right, I know people with hacked 360s and PS2s who pir... : dhvyse
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    Pirating on consoles is much harder to do, it requires you to usually spend some money to get the hardwar... : SilverSnake
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      I honestly don't know any console owner at work who hasn't modded their 360, oruginal xbox, or Wii and th... : baron calamity
      • I don't know anyone who has modded their console. So I guess it depends on who you hang out with. The vas... : navelskrutt
  • Yes, because people are all wonderful and moral people. They don't want free shit. Come join us in t... : navelskrutt
• i think online accounts is the only way to go with PC piracy. : gyokuro
• Naive to think consoles wouldn't be affected also - just look at Wii. : droveri