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  Wow its rare to see a preview with such an overal negative tone. : Maarten Goldstein
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    I was surprised by it too. Then again, this is Eurogamer so I suppose you could expect them to buck the t... : afrochops
    • I assumed Maarten was being sarcastic actually. : two50six
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    fo ralez, yo! normally the previewer can't seem to get their heads out of the developer's ass. : Korban
    • Well, previews have fairly different intentions than a review : geedeck
  • Their Quantum of Solace preview last week was very similar in tone. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?... : GilesH
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  every preview talks about how "brown" it is. They obviously never made it out of the wasteland. : MisterPhoton
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    also, sadlols at the bitching about the Lady Killer perk. Obviously this review doesn't know shit about t... : MisterPhoton
    • Yeah, calling that misogynistic made me discount the whole review. : baronzemo78
  • Quake 1? : zebosausamite
  • Haha. This argument worked (sort of) for brown/green complaints in Quake and such, but in games like this... : Fayk
  • Having been to the wasteland that is Arizona I can safely say even that has more color than Fallout 3. : locater16
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  I was initially curious to see how they could pull off such an environment in the Oblivion engine, and it... : hardfl1p
  • what faults are those? : MisterPhoton
• The more I see of this game the less I want it. Bethesda really needs to hire somebody who knows how to a... : AgentPothead
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  Is this going to trigger an endless series of rage posts from avatar_58? Read on and find out! : Attica Blue
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    Hey, I'm staying out of this. This man has seen more than we did in that walkthrough, so what can you say... : avatar_58
    • I haven't read it yet, but it sounds like his take on the Lady Killer perk is silly, considerining the ga... : Fayk
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  Fallout/2 was really more about game play and character than graphics, at least by the time I played it. ... : mrtony
  • the problem isn't in the game - its in the demos BethSoft is making available to the media at events. Whe... : MisterPhoton
• Ah, Oli Welsh wrote this. Judging by the differences in opinion we had over Metal Gear Solid 4 I'm sure ... : sevogajre
• When I play it I will pretend like the game name isn't FALLOUT. That way I'll probably enjoy it more. ... : phate81
• The game's showing in the Microsoft press conference was something of a bum note as well, with its gleefu : Sexpansion Pack
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  Doesn't Eurogamer just shit on games to get people to go to their site anyway? I always remember them be... : jingletard
  • Actually you're completely wrong it's a great site and they never do that. : Sexpansion Pack
  • I don't know about that. I would say, however, that while they can be a bit pretentious at times, they ar... : Attica Blue
  • I don't think that's true, but they're really mixed in my opinion. They're often willing to see the good ... : Fayk
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  Hah, the E3 demo just showed some combat footage. You can't base all of your impressions on that. : CrustaR
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    Yeah I completely agree with this. Everyone is up in arms and saying that the game is ALL COMBAT because ... : Sexpansion Pack
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      I'm not sure how you can possibly show the RPG-ness of an RPG in a 2 minute demo. : dirge23
      • Exactly right. : Sexpansion Pack
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        its hard to get a full impression of the game in 6 hours, let alone 30 min. : MisterPhoton
        • I don't think anyone is asking for a full impression, just some sort of evidence beyond "hey want to see ... : avatar_58
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          I swear, if the game ends up sucking, and you've just been building up my expectations, I'm going to go t... : Finestaut
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            be my guest, come and get me in Fairfax, fuckhead!!!! At least this Fallout 3 "murder simulator" will giv : MisterPhoton
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              PS: I was being sarcastic/joking with this - you're not really a fuckhead :( : MisterPhoton
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                I don't really plan on murdering everyone around you. : Finestaut
                • just me? awesome! :D : MisterPhoton
  • But it worked for Bioshock!!! : Dusty_Slim
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  WTF NO GAMBLING?!?! : massdev
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    I had a friend who's favorite way to play the Fallout games was to put all the points into non-combat stu... : zebosausamite
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      your friend sounds like a james bond villain : dirge23
      • PUSSYGALORE'D : massdev
    • I actually used the bad luck dog to take out enemies I could never kill otherwise. I think I got some go... : mrtony
    • I'm sorry, all Bethesda knows how to do is make bad combat. You friend will still have to play some nonex... : locater16
• Based on some dudes review after playing for 30 minutes? : skitzo
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  the mom in this is hot http://youtube.com/watch?v=JJGdvZXgjY8 : Ziz
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    Wow 1 - 888 - 4vault-tec is a real number! : skitzo
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      yes it is! I recommend everyone call it for lols! : hirez
      • aw man i'm still on hold... : Ziz
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  Are you joking??? He basically only disses the color scheme and animations, did any of that matter in Fa... : grandmasterlee
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    Valid points, but when graphical fidelity has progressed to the point it has these days, it becomes a fun... : Attica Blue
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      I am glad the colors are muted. Anything else would seem unnatural. If I want rainbows and whatnot I can ... : dirge23
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        I don't think the previewer was complaining about the colors, which he said were appropriate for the sett... : Attica Blue
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          The animations are not all that great in Oblivion. : dirge23
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            in 3rd person, the animations on both Morrowind and Oblivion were horrible. Both I played to death becau... : Jayx77
            • I should clarify: the animations on your character in third person view are horrible : Jayx77
  • animations are a bit more important in a 3D game, especially one trying to sell an open world experience.... : pyide
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    on the second page, 3rd paragraph he also puts down one of the main gameplay aspects, the real-time shoot... : pyide
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      Good! VATS should be the focus. : rasputinreborn
      • I agree, but that doesn't excuse weak regular combat. Are you going to use VATS for everything? Probably ... : pyide
  • I dunno I thought the animations were pretty cool in those games. : datoo
  • Bethesda has always sucked at animation. It was one of the biggest weak points in Oblivion IMO. :( : SenorSpine
• When it comes to movies/games/everything, you guys need to stop putting so much stock in the words of rev : action wombmate
• Attention Grabbing Text This reviewer only played for a half hour, so please take that into consideratio... : skitzo
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  Anyone speak french? This was posted on RPGCodex - http://www.canardplus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2... : avatar_58
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    That bullet list says there is no level scaling. : daedraug
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      Then the codexer can't read, because he said "- level-scaling is still alive and kicking". See now I want... : avatar_58
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        Also what the hell is this about - http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43853 This ment... : avatar_58
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          all i can really conclude is that there is some scaling, but it is not oblivion-style scaling. : dirge23
          • here's what I've garnered: There are minimum levels for certain areas - you can't just stroll into the... : MisterPhoton
          • They're obviously still using the scaling for the main quest, while leaving some areas "predefined". : daedraug
      • Actually that first sentence just says that Bethesda has said there is none. It goes on to describe a com... : daedraug
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    I had similar concerns about the shooting weeks ago after watching the video... http://www.shacknews.com/... : pyide
    • misreply to skitzo :/ : pyide
• bleh, from e3 movies it look pretty damn fun; unless there are some crippling bugs in this game I will be... : deviantpaul
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  thats one person's point of view. I still think it will rock. : Jayx77
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    Yeah, there's tons of previews out there that are all super positive. This one isn't. One. Okay sure, the... : lplasmatron
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      i know you worked on the game, but maybe it's the first truly honest preview? from someone not blinded by... : pyide
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        extreme gore and violence, while juvenile, is a key aspect of the fallout ip. : dirge23
        • yeah, i know. but seeing that stuff can blind you from actual game problems. i know after seeing some wal... : pyide
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        Because it's very negative, it must be the only honest review, eh. That does not make sense to me.. : rasputinreborn
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          He didn't say it was a fact, just that this could be the first preview that actually gave honest feedback... : mittense
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            Respectable, and prone to pooh pooh almost anything because hey, that's what they do over there. : rasputinreborn
            • Uh, okay. : mittense
        • I read the whole thing and it's not very negative, maybe compared to other previews it is, but he has som... : pyide
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        If you believe that all (or even the majority) reviewers are SO unqualified (I'm not a fan of the industr... : Fayk
        • That's not what exactly what i mean, but it's pretty much the angle bethesda took with the E3 demos so it... : pyide
  • yeah i'm still looking forward to this. And yeah also Borderlands and Rage, they all seem to have the sam... : Ziz
• Oh internet... : lplasmatron
• "even if its adolescent focus on creative brutality doesn't quite sit right with the game's overall tone. : icon_of_syn
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  hijack: who else desperately needs a tentative release date announcement? :( : MisterPhoton
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    http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2008/04/18/fallout-3-release-date-is-october-7th-2008-collectors-edition... : dirge23
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      drafting email to my wife now! : MisterPhoton
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        i still expect it to be pushed back to next spring : dirge23
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          omg have you seen this? lplasmatron just told me about the special amazon survival edition: http://www... : MisterPhoton
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            Pretty cool. $130 is steep though. : dirge23
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              but that includes a life-size replica of the Pip-Boy 3000, the game, metal Vault-Tec lunch box, 5" Vault ... : MisterPhoton
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                But it is 50 dollars for an alarm clock. : Totenjaeger
                • I guess that's what separates the collector from the gamer : MisterPhoton
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                Where does it say that you get a soundtrack if you pre-order through Gamestop? : Totenjaeger
                • Nevermind, I found it. : Totenjaeger
• gameplay http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=V_RQ_KIsuns : niceguynick
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  my main concern is level scaling. If there is scaling of any kind I'll pass... : .frame
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    really? i can understand not liking the scaling, but a total deal-breaker? : dirge23
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      yes, I like to be able to feel that I'm pushing too far or that I can go back to where I've been and kick... : .frame
      • there might be kinds of scaling that would allow you to have this feeling, while still balancing the diff... : dirge23
    • It would be for me. I fucking hated that in Oblivion. : SockMonkeh
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      The whole concept of level scaling is stupid. I can't really think of many benefits to it other than allo... : mittense
      • That the fun of it though, being able to go somewhere you know you shouldn't be yet, just by being clever... : .frame
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        I think the right idea with level-scaling is that the game should be challenging wherever you end up, rat... : dirge23
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          It's still a stupid idea, though. Part of the fun of an RPG is making a team (or single person) of badass... : mittense
          • exactly...even the old metroid games felt like this to me...thats MOST of the fun of an RPG to me. : .frame
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            I agree, but I think you can use some scaling and still have this effect. I think the only way to ensure... : dirge23
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              Yeah, and maybe Oblivion's level-scaling was just its nervous first album and Fallout 3 will be the sopho... : mittense
              • What they've said about F3's scaling is consistent with this, so we'll see. : dirge23
              • Word is, that's pretty much the way of it. Areas have a range of possible levels to scale to, and when yo... : Vincent Grayson
          • Perhaps others don't feel that way. Either way, everything I've read about the level scaling (and inde... : Vincent Grayson
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  shitty combat, shitty environment, shitty animations. It's Oblivion all over again : mista mista
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    I for one will be disappointed if the post-apocalyptic world isn't covered in rainbows and unicorns. Beca... : MisterPhoton
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      Why? If the real-time combat is there then it shouldn't be a gimmick. : mittense
      • rpg combat is not real-time or it's a gimmick., : skryte
• Sounds awesome! PS I didn't read the article : EvilDolemite
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  I always hate combat that looks FPS-based, but secretly relies on skill points, etc in the background. If... : brickmatt
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    "secretly"? : dirge23
    • hehe : Sexpansion Pack
  • I agree to a point. Some guns aren't as accurate as others so it makes sense that they all wouldn't be d... : .frame
  • Yeah, that's why I instantly had lowered expectations for Fallout 3 when I found out it was going to be i... : mittense
  • Yeah, i'd prefer it if your weapons skill just altered the recoil and the steadiness of your aim but if y... : SockMonkeh
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    Yes I agree completely. The whole point of point based skill systems in the past was to approximate your ... : SenorSpine
    • It makes sense that my character might be an excellent sharpshooter or locksmith whereas I, the player, a... : dirge23
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    But the problem is, it's 12 in one hand vs a dozen in the other. If you show the player hitting his ta... : EvilDolemite
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      Why not just make the skill points give you access to better weapons? Don't have 200 in sharpshooting, ca... : xxx2xxx
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        This is also a logic problem: why is it so much harder to fire a sniper rifle than a regular rifle? : dirge23
        • because you have to practice and know how to use a scope to shoot a sniper rifle... : .frame
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          I'd rather live with that slight logic dissonance than having to deal with a crippled half-assed fps syst... : xxx2xxx
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            A first person perspective does not make a game an FPS. I don't mind a first person perspective in an rpg... : daedraug
            • Sure that'd be ok too : xxx2xxx
        • Spoken like somebody who has never shot a sniper rifle. : AgentPothead
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      Um..I can aim perfectly with a weapon, pull the trigger and miss wildly. Putting the crosshair/ironsight ... : daedraug
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        We're in a videogame here : EvilDolemite
        • Specifically an rpg, as opposed to an fps. I just don't feel the disconnect you're talking about if bulle... : daedraug
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  Uhhh "The problem with VATS, however, is the fact you will be compelled to use it all the time" How ... : Jimbo Ro
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    If VATS does not have critical failures I think my head will spontaneously combust. : daedraug
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      by critical failure, do you mean you miss with all of your shots, even if your percentage to hit is 90%? ... : MisterPhoton
      • I mean if your skills are low and/or if you're really unlucky your gun blows up or other fun things happe... : daedraug
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  Oh my gosh a Eurogamer preview of a highly anticipated game with a scathing and negative tone. How out-of... : Ajax
  • That's... that's inconceivable! : xsoulbrothax
  • If Fallout had some racing in it they'd be head over heals. : FushigiDenki
• HYPE HYPE HYPE : ass-street
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  as soon as i saw that they went with the baggy uniform look i knew this would end up being the worst game... : jujubees
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    I hope you're being sarcastic. :) : lplasmatron
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      best game ever: http://www.shacknews.com/screenshots.x?gallery=10336&game_id=4974&id=123095 worse than E... : jujubees
      • ^^ leotarded : dirge23
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        lara's titties have more polys than that entire scene in fallout 3 true story : JINKY
        • Confirmed. : lplasmatron
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  Fallout 3 is nothing like Fallout 1 or 2 and Bethesda sucks as a developer. Just go play their Star Trek ... : locater16
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    I don't give a fuck about Star Trek, so from their other games i've played I am going to have to complete... : ovrlrd
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      They've made 3 games in the past 3 years. 2 of which have sucked Donkey balls and one of which is an "rpg... : locater16
      • So Fallout 3 will be bad? : action wombmate
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        Only Oblivion was made by the same team as Fallout 3. : lplasmatron
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          Oh yea well umm... It'll suck because it's not isometric then! [You're turn.] : FushigiDenki
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            I love this theory, it's the most bullshit misunderstanding of how game design works. It's not like Bethe... : ovrlrd
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              I think Fushigi would agree with you. He was being sarcastic. : crummynz
              • Yeah I know, I was just pointing out how retarded some people are being about this game in general. : ovrlrd
• The words PREVIEW don't mean anything anymore? That's just retarded if you think any amount of previews w... : ovrlrd
• then you must be influenced easily. Give me $100.00 : two50six
• So many conflicting opinions what is a boy to do!!! : FushigiDenki

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  Why do people think a movie starting out with one of the best bank robberys in movie history is boring? S : bozer
  • Plus the magic trick and associated scene. Great, great stuff. : sgtsanity
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    Ok fuck! you totally got me I forgot about the bank robbery, I loved that bit. however.................t : abrasion
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      When you go see movies you think about what you're going to write on the shack? Whoa, that's hardcore... : ImageOmega
      • It was more "oh fuck, here's me not liking something everyone else likes, what's wrong with me" It was... : abrasion
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    kind of a stretch there, it was decent as far as robberies go. it certainly wasn't an intricate heist. : spigot
    • what made it good for me is it tipped its hat to Heat, added some black comedy, introduced the psycho tha... : Demius
    • I thought it was pretty damn awesome and you're wrong! : bozer
    • I thought it was an amazing scene. Great twist on a heist with some gorgeous cinematography. : Super Sparker
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    haha. what was so great about it? : edgewise
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      Robber 1: "He's right?" Robber 2:<Nods> Robber 1 stand up gets shot. Robber 2 shoots Manager. Robber ... : Sailor of Fortune
      • *Robber 1: "He's out right?" : Sailor of Fortune
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  you only rate using rational numbers? way to be fuckin boring : boring gegtik
  • he should use multiples of the square root of two, right? : skryte
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  you thought the bank robbery was boring??? : MoreVespeneGas
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    ok the first 40 minutes are boring, the first 5 are great. : abrasion
    • but the first 5 minutes are also part of the first 40. : skinlab133
• I give your use of spoilers a 4.58923423 out of 11 : mattfl
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  Just to make it clear, before people psych out on my negative sounding posts 1. it's not negative, I'm : abrasion
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    I'm the same way, I goto maybe 1 or 2 movies a year in the theater, and I already saw this one twice... t... : Demius
    • I'm seriously considering it might be worth seeing again too, crazy. : abrasion
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    "I am 30 now so I only go to movies 2 or 3 times per year"?! What an unbelievable non sequitur. : LeapingFool
    • i didn't realize that age had any effect : skryte
• I loved the way this Joker was written. Normally he's written as if he (and maybe Harley and his goons) ... : smegmar
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  The only out of place part in the beginning was the court room scene where Dent is shown as the White Kni : grabbie
  • yeah but that was an incredible nod to how he became two-face in the comics.. almost act for act except f... : Demius
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  I enjoyed Batman Begins but didn't like this one much. The acting was great, but it was too dark for my t... : helvetica
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    My wife felt the same way. She also thought it was confusing. For example, none of us understood the sc : afty
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      The Joker gave the opposite address for each, know Batman would go for Rachel. : lodit
      • *knowing : lodit
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        Yeah, we looked at Wikipedia on a phone immediately after the movie. Still, it was hard to understand at... : afty
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          I dunno, I understood it right away when I watched the scene. : action wombmate
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            I thought batman had decided to take the path which was the 'best for everyone' instead of the one that s... : boring gegtik
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              Batman states pretty clearly (more than once iirc) that he's going after Rachel. When he enters the ware : action wombmate
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                He says it just once, but I think a lot of people missed the Startled when he sees Dent. It could also be : Finestaut
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                  Good, people generally need to up their movie IQ. Yes, this is a elitist douchebag post. : action wombmate
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                    No, I think we need more Morgan Freeman voice-overs at the end of the movie to make everything clear. And... : Shivawn
                    • Birds? What? : action wombmate
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                  I agree with your opinion that more subtlety is a good thing, and should be. When I saw him enter the roo... : steelsamurai
                  • The movie is definitely flawed but it's extremely ambitious, and I'll take flawed & ambitious over slick ... : action wombmate
            • that's what i thought too. i figured he was just trying to throw people off : feek
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              Me too. I thought Batman had chosen to save Harvey for the good of Gotham City, and told Gordon he was g : afty
              • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=17543959#itemanchor_17543959 its MUCH more obvious on the 2nd view... : Demius
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                No, that's not it at all. Listen to the Joker's dialog about the addresses and who is where, and correlat... : ieGod
                • i think its more-so an insurance policy to make sure Harvey Dent is rescued while Rachael is not.. This : Demius
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        after watching it a second time, it was truly amazing how they set this up... The scene immediately be : Demius
        • What's brilliant is that he didn't even need to know (for sure) which he'd choose to go to. All he had to : Fayk
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      where I thought the director failed on that was there was no real emotional impact shown over the trick t... : steelsamurai
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        I agree. I got the impression that the movie was intended to be even longer, and that some of the stuff ... : afty
        • with the material he had at hand, this would have been like 10 comic books or a nice week-long miniseries : steelsamurai
    • How the hell was that confusing, everything was explained. the point was to keep dent alive, have him los : dilutedq
    • That scene was like... the most important element in Two Face's origin! The whole point was to trick Batm : OverloadUT
    • I understood what happened just fine. What I don't understand is during the whole Dent goes pyscho scene : Zhaneel
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  I think they couldn't pin those kills on the Joker because he's still alive, and would almost definitely : Begawkiness
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    The Joker was captured at the end, and (in a perfect world) would soon face trial for his transgressions. : fishbone
    • Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, haha : Begawkiness
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    I don't think it's so easy to predict what the Joker would do, and also, that people would take his word ... : steelsamurai
    • Even if it didn't come down to the joker taking credit or denying it, I suspect that since he knows who : Fayk
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    Much of the police force was focused on the Joker when the murders were occurring. Much of the police fo : walker270
    • Joker had taken over the whole criminal underworld and had all kinds of people working for him at this po : steelsamurai
    • Let's not get hung up on the Joker's role. By that point, the Italian mob had double-crossed him by givi : mathyou
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  abrasion this post is written like hell, why don't you form a goddamn paragraph : JINKY
  • You find his writing style... abrasive? : uglysad
• Come one, in the beginning Batman grappled the shit out of some dogs. : Sailor of Fortune
• Batman 2: When Remembering the Real Title Is Too Much Work : silent prophet
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  The one thing that bothered me at first about seeing this movie is I felt like most of the people in our : MatthewPhillips
  • The joker has always been my favorite bat-villain, the struggle between the Batman and Joker was the reas... : Demius
  • I didn't go to see Ledger at all. I went because I thought Batman Begins was badass. : CrustaR
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    the batman parts sucked imho : boring gegtik
    • (and I really liked batman begins) : boring gegtik
  • I didn't see it just for the Joker, but I can see why people would. : action wombmate
  • fuck that. the joker has always been my top villain. twisted through all corners of his mind. i loved in ... : reverend~heresy
  • it was a big draw for me, but i would have seen it regardless since i loved batman begins and saw it twic... : feek
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    some bad guys totally steal the show. I guess the last one was Jim Carey's Riddler in Batman Forever, th... : mikecyb
    • So true, and I have to crow again about the writing, because the Joker can certainly be done so wrong but : action wombmate
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      One of these days I'm going to steal you away from dahanses for your pokemon and batman knowledge. : Zhaneel
      • boo spelling for fubaring her vanity search! : Zhaneel
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        it's better this way so we may keep it secret : mikecyb
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          Except my boyfriend found it. =( : Zhaneel
          • i really hope you move into my apartment complex. we can set up webcams and shit. : dahanese
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    Heath went to the same high school as me. I was involved in the drama dept as well so i saw him a number... : SigENeaT
    • "Kudos imo" seems very odd to me. There's no need to add in my opintion to kudos. : renegade732
    • I agree : abrasion
  • a hero is only as good as his villains. : sharpie
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  it was a revington. : connor
  • No it wasn't - it was an LP640 at best, I know my lambos. : abrasion
  • you'd think Wayne would have a Reventón, but I'm pretty sure it was indeed the LP640 like Abrasion said : cygnus
• probably mentioned above, but the whole cell phone sonar thing was dumb. : mindshot

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• The Fantabulous Contraption of Professor Horatio Hufnagel! : Dave-A
• norly =( : action roommate
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  Making something resembling an actual walker in this game is difficult. I mean - without the contraption... : action roommate
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    I thought this was pretty awesome http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=119768 : daedraug
    • That was rather moving. When the big ball hits it in the back of the neck ... you just watch it struggle... : rosewood
    • that was epic, i can't believe it worked! : slickdoody
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      Frustrating as hell to watch, but very cool design : fishbone
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        I know, I'm so jealous :( My solution: http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=122393 I was trying to... : daedraug
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          Fixed kinda, more tracks, more power. http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=133036 If you were th... : DinK
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    • That just made me realize how unimaginative I am : Katarn3279
    • GOOOO LITTLE BUDDY! : mwasher
    • come on old stumbly, you can do it!! : mikecyb
    • I was playing the Battle of Hoth music in my head watching that. : Sailor of Fortune
    • Nice! : randomjgj
  • my walkers were pretty handicapped too: http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=105991 : RikiTiki2
• The exploding one from last night was just amazing. : rosewood
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  I love the megapult. :) : nevicata
  • Thanks. If you delete the chain and move the little ball to the right some, it will really get launched ... : action roommate
• Level 20 defeats me :( : electroly
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  Repost: I am still LOLing at how unexpected this worked out: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=... : Sailor of Fortune
  • That is great, I just started playing last night love making machines that just barely grind it out ht... : quazar
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    lol what the crap that's hilarious "FLY HER APART THEN!" : Katarn3279
    • SHES GOIN TO FAST CAPTAIN! I CAN'T KEEP HER TOGETHER! WARP CORE BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE... : rosewood
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    WHAT? How could that even happen? : Grumbeld
    • Who fucking knows, but it amazing to watch. : rosewood
  • wow that was funny : Slowtreme
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    haha reminds me of that old bridge builder game, where sometimes you had to make a bridge that would tota... : riptyde
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      I remember that game, Pontifax. It got a bit constrictive near the later levels. But this game has so ... : Sailor of Fortune
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        pontifix : ysbreker
        • pontifex ;P : DinK
      • One of the best things about this game is that it doesn't limit resources. It leads to the most fun stuf... : DinK
  • why did they separate? : xelencin
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  I don't know why designs of mine that fail make me laugh as much as they do http://FantasticContraptio... : action roommate
  • stop tempting me to play this damnit I have work to do >:( : mikecyb
  • haha lols there. Just had to tweak it to work too: http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=133203 : DinK
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  holy shit this one is awesome http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=123161 i didnt do it : oHnOES
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    That's one of mine that I linked in the root post. Copy/paste error, or are you confused? : action roommate
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      oh, doh. yeah copy paste error. let me find it again : oHnOES
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        fixed link, this is awesome http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=120670 : oHnOES
        • Oh ya, that one's great. : action roommate
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          This one is really clever too http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=116739 : action roommate
          • Ahahaha that's rad. : Zero|DPX
          • Both of these in this thread are nice! : randomjgj
          • wow that's really elegant actually : mikecyb
          • Oh no he just didn't : DinK
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  This is probably my favorite one that I've made: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=112115 : magistersmax
  • I pissed off my fiancee last night when we almost missed an appointment because I was trying to make the ... : Finestaut
  • Move bitch, get out the way, get out the way bitch get out the way : rosewood
  • That's great! You figured out both caterpillar tracks and a scoop conveyor belt in the same design. I f... : randomjgj
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    I could hear this thing screaming "UNNLIIIIIIIMINITED POWERRRRR!!!" as it dug. =) : DinK
    • ugh, minus a couple letters : DinK
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  Simple but digs its way through eventually http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=126969 : Sanityjr
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    Similar to what I started with but I ended up with this: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=119093 : drodver
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      This is the best/fastest "digger" style machine for that level that I've seen http://FantasticContrapt... : action roommate
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        i haven't timed it but i believe my solution is faster. http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1169... : electroly
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          connect the wheels with water bars and it goes even faster. : Finestaut
          • i didn't learn this trick until earlier today when i saw someone's catapult. very clever. obvious but i... : electroly
• Watching these makes me feel like a complete numbskull. : InfoBiter
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  whooo! Another catapult victory! http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=127300 : action roommate
  • Nice. So how hard do you laugh at all the walkers posted for this level? : Finestaut
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    Mine is similar: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=127421 : drodver
    • Goes even higher: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=127525 : drodver
• I hate these links, it takes like 4 clicks to get it to play (with no sound of course). Fun game I'm s... : Nixx2004
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  OMG AHAHAAHA I just made the stupidest machine ever http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=12772... : action roommate
  • Haha, wow that is awesome. : crummynz
  • That's terrible and awesome all rolled up in one. :) : ThomW
  • I like how it fixes itself. : Sailor of Fortune
  • hahaha : smax
  • lmao, i like how you had to make it expand itself outside the construction area : yAak
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    Restricted access. : Nixx2004
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      try again in a few seconds, its just a site error/overload or something : yAak
      • Ah, yeah, works now. Nice one. : Nixx2004
  • That's madness. : perstephanie
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    I cannot believe that worked. : edgewise
    • I love that it did what I wanted it to do, but with that awesome twist where the little car goes back to ... : action roommate
  • That is amazing : OverloadUT
  • That was fun! My take on this one: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=120401 Similar to s... : randomjgj
  • this is fucking awesome : Downforce
  • ...and he recovers... OH AND A SLAM DUNK : DinK
• My favourite solution: http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=127625 Only... just... made... it: ht... : rock elf
• Fuck, I've been playing this too long. I was typing an email and I could see little connector dots on al... : rosewood
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  I'm finding it really fun to go for low "piece" count solutions. Also doing 'not allowed to move red piec... : zakk
  • holy fuck i didn't even know you could move the red piece... : cltcprd
  • me too. i can't resist trying to make the minimal solution possible. i usually get something that works... : electroly
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    That's my only beef with this game -- you can make these horribly inept contraptions that will finish th... : ThomW
    • like which ones? (without a true simple solution) : yAak
    • There's a natural incentive to want to make simple, neat machines, or ridiculously complex goofy ones- th... : tashtego
    • there is a competition to have the contraption with the fewest pieces on the messege board in the site ... : belal
    • No way, most of the fun is in solving levels as many ways as possible. The incentive to create elegant s... : DinK
  • I didn't even know you could move the starting piece or attach things to it until around level 10. That ... : Blucklesworth
• Not a great solution but for some reason I really love this little dude http://FantasticContraption.com/... : tashtego
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  i was planning on something complex, but... http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=127525 i did a... : yAak
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    MISLINK! here is actual: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=126295 : yAak
    • lol some luck : Blucklesworth
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  http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=118981 - Took me a while to get the timing just right. : mukumuku
  • i like the complex ones, i need to try something crazy for that one. heres the way i solved it the firs... : yAak
  • Impressive! : action roommate
  • Christ, that is insane o.O : jbury
• This one took FOREVER to get the length just right but it's the favorite thing I've done http://Fantastic... : OverloadUT
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  I love watching this one. It's so satisfying the way it digs through everything. : OverloadUT
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    Damnit http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=118981 : OverloadUT
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      Gah that was mukumuku's. Here's mine: http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=118981 : OverloadUT
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        You should just stop. :( To get the link for the machine click the link icon on your contraption page. : mukumuku
        • Holy god I swear I know how to do it :( http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=119413 : OverloadUT
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  http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=125646 - Finished this one just now. Pretty crude w/dragging t... : mukumuku
  • holy shit awesome! : Trips
  • WINNAH!! HAHA that thing was cool as hell! : Demius
  • that thing is so awesome. Wow. : deathofrats
  • haha, nice! : naios
  • Amazing : rosewood
  • This is completely badass. : DinK
• this game has taken up a significant portion of my life for the past three days... : d_pap
• fun game : deathofrats
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  This is my favorite one that I've done: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=122239] It takes it... : randomjgj
  • god what the fuck : Blucklesworth
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    What the hell did I just watch. Also you have to remove that bracket on the link for it to work : OverloadUT
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      No, no, it works, you just have to give it a chance. : randomjgj
      • Ah crap. I'm an idiot. How'd I manage to fuck that up? Thanks CrustaR for cleaning that up for me! : randomjgj
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    Working version: : http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=122239 : CrustaR
    • Also: wtf. : CrustaR
    • It says "Victory" at the end...but I'm really doubting that's accurate. : hawke
  • Maybe y'all will like this better. I call it "Goldberg": http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1295... : randomjgj
• slowly but surely http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=129824 : riptyde
• pushed a ton of stuff :D http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=130063 : AMikaboshi
• bad design done well? http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=130108 : entropy
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  http://www.armadillorun.com : twifosp
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    but this is free and I can play it in a browser window : mikecyb
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      Armadillo run is totally worth the price. Especially with the community base and weekly challenges. If ... : twifosp
      • I do but I also like free stuff I can play at work :( : mikecyb
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  Anyone found a solution to "Tube" (#18) yet? : riptyde
  • woot finally: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131515 : riptyde
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  http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=130515 : BongSlayerB
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    http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=130558 : BongSlayerB
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      lol can't believe it worked: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131762 : BongSlayerB
      • http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131762 : BongSlayerB
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  Here's a challenge for you guys that I came across http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=19763 ... : action roommate
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    http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=130733 : riptyde
    • This method works well on so many levels. : spazzium
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    how'd you find that? : cltcprd
    • Their forums. A "secret levels" thread. : action roommate
  • Well, I can't even build something that can climb the hill on its own, let alone pulling/carrying the bal... : rock elf
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    twice i've started building something for this one and accidentally hit refresh. /ragequit : Foxhawk
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      I am determined to do this without using a catapult! : OverloadUT
      • I'd be impressed if you could make one powerful enough, actually. : action roommate
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    Yesss http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131680 : indosauros
    • haha this is fucking fantastic : riptyde
    • No hill is tooo steep! you win indosauros, they should put you in nasa to make some three stage space lau... : threeup
  • This is as far as I got: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=132788 I'll work on it some more la... : magistersmax
  • FUCK, I think there's a hidden resource limit and I hit it while building my impossible catapult. =( ... : DinK
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  Working as intended: http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=130108 : jlavrenz
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    oops failed link. Here it is: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=130637 : jlavrenz
    • ahhaha glorious : Blucklesworth
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  simple tank tread http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=130785 : Languid_Heap
  • Woah I would have never thought of that. Very awesome : Reeves
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  I'm stuck on 17... any ideas? : Maddog_Delphi97
  • think of how you could stop your contraption : action roommate
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    http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131220 : riptyde
    • AAAAAH Clever!! : Maddog_Delphi97
    • wow. that one took me ages. : AMikaboshi
    • Wow, that is impressive. : crummynz
    • Wow that was impressive. I didn't even save mine.. I actually put it together in like 2 minutes haha. : Reeves
    • similar. http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=132005 : deathmuppeter
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    http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=130108 : entropy
    • nevermind : entropy
  • I like my solution: http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=131220. : rustified
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  I can't believe this works http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131333 It's retarded and takes F O... : Katarn3279
  • That last ball is fucking stubborn : OverloadUT
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  epic fail machine :< http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131482 : Delaric
  • I fixed it for you: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131582 : Sailor of Fortune
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    http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131606 : AMikaboshi
    • Why do you have to be so smug : Delaric
    • Hahaha, owned : Zero|DPX
  • Kickstand http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131941 : Delaric
  • Last one: Lemmings http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=132065 : Delaric
• I am fucking horrible at this game. : mwasher
• the pusher http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131702 : AMikaboshi
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  anybody else keep reading these threads as "fantastic contraception"? : heavymedicine
  • Conversely, it could be Fantastic Conception, and the ball could be the sperm, which you have to get to t... : deathofrats
  • originally, yes : FPSDavid
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  Here are mine. Some I just tried to make as complex as possible =D http://FantasticContraption.com/?de... : Reeves
  • LOL, those are great. Especially the third. : crummynz
  • Love that second one. Push it out : Zero|DPX
• i'm lazy http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=131896 : fletch_
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  I don't think there's a better failure than this one right here, folks http://fantasticcontraption.com... : action roommate
  • haha. : deathmuppeter
  • Oh God, that's hilarious! : spazzium
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    Ok, maybe I lied. I'm tearing up over here http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=127596 holy l... : action roommate
    • I just had convulsions XD retarded triangle machine : Delaric
    • That was amazing. : rustified
    • lololololol, those are both some damn hilarious fails. : burningtrees
    • that level is kind of fun to make silly shit: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=132291 I am... : mikecyb
    • holy crap my chest hurts from laughing at this one : riptyde
    • Oh man, the failures are 100x better than the genius solutions : fishbone
    • Now this one actually made me laugh. I like how it dances off the stage after failing so horribly. : DinK
  • man that little ball was pissed : mikecyb
  • hahahaha that is so good. : crummynz
  • LOL should have called it 'Sisyphus' : Delaric
  • When things are at their darkest, one will stand up! : Sailor of Fortune
  • hahahaha no way! that was painful! : pukerat
  • ahahahhahahah : Reeves
  • why wouldn't you put the pink one in front? : c0bra
  • So. fucking. great. : fishbone
  • Holy hell. I was sure you were shitting us. EPIC : DinK
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  I'm too dumb for this game. :( : DOOManiac
  • You and me both. I can't get past the first one. : hrdwregk
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  i'm really enjoying trying to get as simple as possible. my favorite so far (back and forth): http://fan... : deathmuppeter
  • I challenge you to make a simpler design for this level. http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=11808... : getfrisky
  • i'm trying simple stuff too http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=132366 : Slowtreme
• http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=105984 kind of simple but it amused me : mikecyb
• Yes! Finally! http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=132364 : dssnider
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  You guys all suck. my friends made these: http://fantasticcontraption.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t... : windowpane
  • jesus christ, that solution pegged all four of my cores around 50% o_o : xsoulbrothax
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    Woah holy shit. Those ones on the list are freaking amazing : Reeves
    • Really, you all need to watch these... They complete all the challenges with no wheels! : Reeves
  • OMG, these are so epic. Must-views. Reproduced from a post there: 01. Rolling Away - http://Fantast... : DinK
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  A few of mine: Catawut: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=129328 Sucky: http://FantasticC... : packav
  • Wut is my favorite :D : packav
  • I don't know wtf some of those were supposed to do, but they're hilarious. : whistler
  • Deathbylawnmoer: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=132714 : packav
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  I'm quite happy with this one :) http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=132555 : pyros
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    http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=132555 : pyros
    • http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=132555 ? : crummynz
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  A couple of mine http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=132539 http://FantasticContraption.com/?... : whistler
  • This worked, just not as I intended http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=131091 : whistler
  • That last one is just creepy! :O : SilverSnake
  • that bridge is awesome : terath
• The Juggernaut is fantastic. I really like your level 20 too. : DinK
• I've been having a lot of fun with "On a Roll": My procession of Torture: http://FantasticContraption... : Toth21
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  My level 20 clear: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=107537 : cheshirecat
  • haha, that lifter is awesome. : DinK
• This is LineRunner all over again: I play for a bit and think I've done something fucking amazing... then... : nudel
• LEVEL 14 FINALLY! http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=133292 : buzzbat
• A I the only one who has to click on every damn link? I MUST SEE THEM ALL!!! : SeaLlama

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  woot time to bring the power of crits to no-crit servers >:D : RikiTiki2
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    also that's great about the backburner! the +50 hp didn't make sense to me at all. but does the grate ... : RikiTiki2
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      i think they're referring to the grates that are closed during setup time like dustbowl and gold rush : Mmmmmoo
      • i figured, but i was wondering if it applied to all grates or not : RikiTiki2
• what the fuck : virus
• Removed health bonus from the Backburner that's pretty big. : Mmmmmoo
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  I don't know the latest shackserver info, PUBBY SERVER AHOY!!!!! : Downforce
  • http://www.penguinvsgirl.com/tf2/ : Maddog_Delphi97
• Aww no more 350-health pyro. : c0bra
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  its annoying how many people use backburners, they should be using air blast to fuckup ubers instead. : Klebold
  • backburner's good, but people were using it strictly for the health and not the backburning : RikiTiki2
• Cool. : dmason
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  Giving credit to the last person to damage you is fucking stupid. Especially if its random spray from acr... : sneak
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    I like this change for certain situations... Most specifically, dueling with a demo/soldier only to have ... : skankcore
    • Yea, when I play demo man or soldier and am getting raped by a pryo, with no chance to survive, I'll blow... : twifosp
    • I don't mind if you cause someone to crater (and I hope air blasting someone with the flamethrower off a ... : sneak
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    I disagree, the suicides by demos & soldiers to prevent me getting the kill was annoying and lame... : hirez
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      Yeah that was such a dick move. : freshyk
      • If I'm going to die, I might as well hasten the process so I can spawn faster. Points are really a secon... : omnova
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  I wonder if -sk- made the optimizations for Fastlane, or if he was compensated for the map and they now o... : skankcore
  • My guess is Valve did it simply for ease and quality control. : dmason
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  Oh, that's why I can't play on Dallas right now. : DOOManiac
  • Yeah, I can't play either. :( : Maddog_Delphi97
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    Updating Dallas right now : RyDogg1
    • :D : Maddog_Delphi97
    • is it ready? : RikiTiki2
• Jesus christ thank you backburner health removal. : FlamingGimp
• hooray. Maybe there won't be 9 pyros per team now. Everything being on fire makes it impossible to snip... : twifosp
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  The Kritzkrieg update sounds amazingly stupid. Finally removed the health bonus for the backburner th... : K1Bond007
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    how is it stupid? a non-working critzkrieg is what i'd call stupid : RikiTiki2
    • Even when it works, it doesn't. : dmason
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      But if a server specifically turns off crits, why would they want Valve to implement a workaround. Clearl... : K1Bond007
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        make sure to ban the axetinguisher and backburner while you're at it : RikiTiki2
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          Those don't work on no-crit servers unless Valve changes that too. Then yeah, those will likely be banned... : K1Bond007
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            Those ones do work. They are hard-coded. Like backstabs and headshots. : dmason
            • Oooh.. : K1Bond007
          • They have always worked on no-crit servers. : FlamingGimp
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        It's just a bitch to explain hard-coded crits and non-hardcoded crits and even a bigger bitch to decide w... : dmason
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          You mean random vs expected crits. : sammyl
          • rape crits vs. consensual crits : RikiTiki2
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        I think most of the people shutting off crits are against the random aspect of it... a weapon that does n... : xsoulbrothax
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          All the leagues I'm aware of are no-crit and I don't think they'll welcome this change. Guess they'll hav... : K1Bond007
          • See my post, the reason leagues ban crits is exactly why I said. Randomness. : skankcore
      • BRING BACK TEAM DAMAGE NOOOAAAWWWWW : boomstickah
      • No crits is not the game that Valve made. If you don't like it, you can kiss deez nutz. : deject
  • At first I thought it was retarded too, but then I actually thought out that opinion. Crits are disabl... : skankcore
  • I think the krit gun not working on non crit server is even more stupid. actually makes the damn thing so... : theWhite
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  Why Valve, why. Why you nerf pyro? QQ. : silentw
  • they're debuffed, not nerfed : RikiTiki2
• bah, I was gonna play CoD4 : painangel
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  LOL nice pyro nerf. Class is back where it was IMO. Take your backburner all together and leave me the he... : skinlab133
  • No. You didn't need that extra health. : skankcore
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    Honestly for team play, the air gun is a million times more useful than the back burner anyway. : twifosp
    • That's why the backburner is - WAS - better for pubs, and the normal was better for shack games. : sammyl
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      Yup, the back crits were so glitchy anyways, the only reason I used the backburner is for the health. : whistler
      • Exactly why it doesn't need the health buff. : skankcore
• And the only thing I noticed was the gear symbol. The high-impact changes didn't make it out the door. ... : carrioN luggagE

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  man they're desperate. : thebigbeefsandwhich
  • not more so than any other corporate company trying to sell you something. : metalremains
• Meh, why do they bother? Unless they actually release their next OS within 3 years or so (which I kno... : InfoBiter
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  That's utter bullshit. They're saying that people who knew enough about Vista to dislike it only liked th... : Phreakin
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    that's why they didn't include you in their study : electroly
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      But that's what I'm saying, if it was people that had seen or used Vista previously they would have known... : Phreakin
      • HAY GUYS!! IDIOTS LIKE VISTA!! WE HAVE PROOF!! : skryte
  • Listen to the comments after the reveal, they were talking out their ass: Well I heard it was awful, I gu : Slowtreme
  • Meh, I've had vista at home and work for almost a year and have no problems. : zebosausamite
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    A lot of people in the general public have an IT guy at work or Techie in their family, and that's where ... : re4ctor
    • I would be more for letting them use it without charging a retarded amount of money for it. Then ask t... : Hizzow
• This is pretty much how Vista was for me. Everyone said is was OMGHORRIBIBBLE. I didn't test it, or beta ... : Slowtreme
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  OK last comment I swear. If they REALLY believe that people aren't using Vista only because their friends... : Phreakin
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    except its not a steaming pile of shit and works better then XP on newer systems. Put in Vista, install..... : bozer
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      I'll give you one example from an experience we had yesterday on a test lab box. - Brand new Vista ins... : Phreakin
      • "Brand new Vista install"? As in it hadn't been updated? : Arcanum
      • You're a little to wrapped up this whole Vista thing. : AscorSix
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        Did you update to SP1? Because I'm pretty sure that's been fixed for a very, very long time. : Gnowknayme
        • Funny, so has the driver issues for XP but yet that seems to be the hangup for the pro Vista people. And ... : Phreakin
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        I usually use winrar... But I wanted to test this C2D box with 8GB ram Used the built in feature. R... : gargy
        • Ya, this was 32 bit and only 4gb. Typical box for our users. : Phreakin
        • Unzip speed depends more on the number of files than on the size of the zip file. NTFS is very, very slow... : jcupitt
        • winrar 7zip : smegmar
      • Service Pack 1? SP1 fixed a lot of the upload and unzip problems the OS had. Things are much better for m... : metalremains
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      make an XP disk and slipstream SP2 or SP3 to it with nlite. you'll find 85% of your driver issues will g... : beastrabban
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        all that, or just install vista........ ... . : zebosausamite
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          All that? lol : Phreakin
          • Not a big deal for me, but probably a bit of a pain for my mom, dad, brother, sister, etc.... : zebosausamite
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        And then you still have to deal with XP's horrible limitation for loading drivers from a floppy (or you g... : rosewood
        • Yes, I based my OS decisions on the interface....Maybe that's the consumer that they're targeting but for... : Phreakin
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          lol omg I have to use a floppy! switch to a new OS! if any headpulling out asses needs to be done.. ... : beastrabban
          • It is a pain in the ass especially when configuring raid drives. I've been configuring extremely expensiv... : bozer
      • Im just saying I dont have any problems at all with Vista anymore and prefer it to XP on my home PC. Its ... : bozer
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    based on your assertions you don't know much about consumer trends in product knowledge or vista itself a... : brewsterdog
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      Yes, being an admin for 14 years and working in a 1000+ user shop I have no idea what i'm talking about..... : Phreakin
      • RAWR!! I LIKE COMPUTERS!@#%$ : zebosausamite
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        Being an admin for 14 years and working in a 1000+ user shop does not make you an expert in marketing and... : walker270
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          It does make me an expert on it sucking in a corporate environment which is what my main point is. If you... : Phreakin
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            lol You're in IT therefore you're an expert in marketing trends? What else are you an expert in? Non... : walker270
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              What are you arguing about? He didn't say that, and he cleared that up in his last post and reiterated hi... : slickdoody
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                This entire thread is about the consumer's general perception of Vista being based on word-of-mouth inste... : walker270
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                  but in this particular subthread his knowledge about vista from a technical standpoint is being challenge... : slickdoody
                  • He's in a specific shop, not a forward facing consumer retail job where it would hold more weight. Having... : Chod
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                    No it wasn't. His knowledge regarding consumer behavior was being challenged, and he backed it up by say... : walker270
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                      Ya, I think you misread his posts. : slickdoody
                      • How so? brewsterdog questioned his knowledge of consumer behavior and product knowledge, and he came bac... : walker270
            • dont test him, he knows how to use the internet too I gather! : duncandun
      • I agree with you dude as does fry, he is the sole decision maker IT wise for his company (I believe) and ... : abrasion
  • You're actually arguing the average American consumer makes informed decisions regarding computer technol... : walker270
  • ^^^ Vista works pefectly fine for me, except the occasional UAC stuff. : Iwannaacura
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    It's both. Vista should have been a whole lot better, but it's no where near as bad as everyone says it i... : K1Bond007
    • It's really true though. I have some co-workers who are all like, "OMG you use Vista?" And I'm all, "Ye... : zebosausamite
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  I really think this is funny because everyone really does shit on vista without ever even using it or eve... : dilutedq
  • I like it too, but I had the same initial frustration when every option moved around. : byorn
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    i don't really have any issues with vista, but a lot of things are annoyingly buggy in ways that don't ob... : electroly
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      lol I really don't know how any of those are vista issues? I've never even seen those issues before on ... : dilutedq
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        oh ok dilutedq it's just my imagination since you've never seen it before : electroly
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          I didn't say they aren't issue you are having. I'm saying how is that a VISTA issue and not user error? ... : dilutedq
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            because how can i possibly be making a user error when i'm just right-clicking and hitting "Sort By Name" : electroly
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              at no point should repeated application of "Sort By Name" result in a different ordering. there is no wa... : electroly
              • How long did you hold down the mouse when you clicked? Maybe the sorting subroutine hadn't finished! : zebosausamite
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              Who knows. I don't quite see how Vista can just not sort something correctly. I can sit here all day a... : dilutedq
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                I wish I knew :( If I could fix it, I definitely would. I've just learned to live with my start menu be... : electroly
                • lol I couldn't tell you but this reminds me of all of my problems with my girlfriend. For her things jus... : dilutedq
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      I've almost never used the Vista start menu in the respect of looking for a program to run. I just hit th... : Schnapple
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        Yeah I'm a big fan of the "start search" thing. : riptyde
        • yeah, that one feature makes it hard to go back to xp. (though i think that there are some free addons t... : trevis
        • It's probably my favorite feature. : nomaad
  • I've given it 5 chances, each time I switch back to XP because Vista is such a piece of shit. : abrasion
  • But I have tried it and I have given it a chance. : red2lucas
• So all they need to do is sit everybody down with a salesperson and they would sell more? BRILLIANT! : byorn
• See for yourself. Decide for yourself. McCain '08. : notd665
• I like Vista. It's not a huge jump from XP but it's worked flawlessly for me. : riptyde
• I really like that little applet or whatever they have for their movies. That being said. I really enjoy ... : r4wk
• that looks so cheesy and fake. : bad_fish
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  My beef with Vista stems from that lawsuit which stated a bunch of PC's and laptops being Vista Capable a... : grayscale
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    Oh and prior to SP1 I couldn't stand Vista either with that bug for network file transfers and file copyi... : grayscale
    • same here, SP1 makes things better. Hey it' not perfect but it has some nice features. : metalremains
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      It's not a bug in vista, it's just that XP was terrible at predicting the amount of time remaining. They... : Horn
      • Link for the proof: http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2008/02/04/2826167.aspx : Horn
  • What kind of specs does she have on that laptop? I ran vista on a 1.6 core duo w/ 512 meg or ram and onbo... : sigpro
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  I would love to see this procedure applied to every prejudice in existence. Beyond Folgers Crystals: Exp : eldersveld
  • y'know, this tastes just like shitty instant coffee. : skryte
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    my mom made folgers coffee the other night and it wasn't half bad, i was expecting horror : cpt_gloval
    • not the crystals though : cpt_gloval
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  The tech world is slowly catching on to the fact that Vista is actually a pretty good OS. There's no way ... : ColoradoCNC
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    What features in Vista do you like that aren't available in XP? (besides the start search, that's a given... : slickdoody
    • Superfetch on Vista64 and 4gb ram is the big one for me. Big enough that i won't go back to XP. : smalakar
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      I like start search, searches in general feel faster, I really enjoy the UI now that it doesn't look like... : ColoradoCNC
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        The indexed searches are nice. But more secure? How's that? : slickdoody
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          Ask Leo Laporte. He's talked about it several times on TWiT and Security Now. : ColoradoCNC
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            Gah! I want to smack Leo Laporte across the face with a canvas bag filled with rusty metal dicks. : Bean
            • Can you whap Kevin Rose after you've done with Laporte? : Dave-A
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    I used it for about a week w/ SP1 not too long ago and I couldn't stand it any more and went back to XP. : FPSDavid
    • It's ugly isn't it!? : zebosausamite
  • dont i owe an Eve GTC? : m0rfus
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    I disagree, if anything Vista's bad name is being cemented across the industry. I work in a very very ... : abrasion
    • personally, i enjoy vista. i typically stay the heck out of the filesystem if i can avoid it, so the abor... : cpt_gloval
• consumers == stupid mass media 4tL : m0rfus
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  Rubbish, any high end user knows when they are using a Vista box. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=17... : abrasion
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    it's amazing how backwards they've come with their file manager since fileman.exe :( : cpt_gloval
    • Give me XP's interface (exactly) on Vista and I'll put up with ALL the other shit, even performance fucku... : abrasion
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      Vista doesn't bother me, overall. The fact that Explorer has been SO redone to hide all the things I've ... : sukabljat
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        What things? : DarkWolf5
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          http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=17513782#itemanchor_17513782 : abrasion
          • Yeah I've seen it before and still have no idea what you are complaining about. : DarkWolf5
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      BTW, I love this photo of Vista, it sums the entire OS up. http://abrasion.shackspace.com/lolsta/wtf02.j... : abrasion
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        The only reason it looks like crap is because you won't drop the past and insist on using the classic the... : DarkWolf5
        • ^^ Yep : walker270
        • for me, aero causes occasional problems with games, the non-aero skin is absolutely horrible, and the cla... : cpt_gloval
        • That's not entirely true. The folder list is still relatively broken compared to XP. It's hard to tell ... : deject
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          Fucking IT administrators _HAVE_ to use the goddamn classic theme, when will you standard users get this?... : abrasion
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            You can disable the animations without going back to classic theme. It's pretty easy, actually... I rem... : walker270
            • It still looks like ass with a poor explorer interface. : abrasion
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        I really do not like the interface changes Microsoft has been making since Windows 2000. I don't mind ch... : deject
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          It's Vista's only massive flaw, every single other little whine that "Vista haters" have - I don't care a... : abrasion
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            The scroll wheel thing your video highlighted? I thought you were a power user -- why would you navigate... : walker270
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              That's not a scroll wheel, that's a simple click of folders in explorer. Navigation with the keyboard is... : abrasion
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                I... can't remember the last time I used the mouse to navigate a filesystem. Oh, wait.. when I'm browsin... : walker270
                • What? Don't play stupid walker, it's not clever. I'm the keyboard fucking grand master baby and I'm te... : abrasion
• lol, no really it doesnt suck.. we swear! Here's a Folger's taste test.. : rmjackson
• I tried it on my Commodor 64 and it ate my baby :( : capt tripps
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  Vista sucks because it is dumbed down for idiots and this is just more proof. I have vista on my laptop ... : x4nth3
  • Real IT people masturbate to a bash prompt. : walker270

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  wtf, a bunch of the holy paladin talents now are based off of your AP. why on earth would they base your... : electroly
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    Pally will get hit with nerfbat hard right before live. : Iwannaacura
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      i've come to terms with the fact that blizzard hates us paladins >:( : electroly
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        From my experience with WoW:TBC, I have to say that they hate mages too. : pigvomit
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          we were talking about this in guild chat yesterday. mages were supposed to be the #1 DPS class.... what ... : electroly
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            mages just got a pretty insane amount of buffs, and it's quite possible that they are #1 dps at this poin... : JINKY
            • WotLK? Yeah, I'm hopeful we can regain the honor of our pre-BC days. : pigvomit
          • That's how I feel about it. We are the easiest to kill now, and we are behind 3-4 other classes on dps c... : pigvomit
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        I have heard this exact statement for every. single. class. : OverloadUT
        • Blizzard hates us all :( : electroly
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          Except from rogues and warlocks, blizzard must had hearing their complaints, so they endow them with the ... : pigvomit
          • had hate : pigvomit
          • Rogues constantly complain about repeatedly being at the end of the nerf stick, but what they fail to rea... : walker270
          • I have ALSO heard every single class complain about every single other class as being the one that is ord... : OverloadUT
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      Nerfs? They are getting much needed buffs. : Chod
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        That's what I'm saying, they will buff them to a point and then right before live, 1.0, BC they were hit... : Iwannaacura
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          I highly doubt it considering all of the other improvements given to other classes. : Chod
          • Blizzard did this with original and BC give these nice buffs, then nerfbat or total removal. Currently... : Iwannaacura
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    Which ones are you talking about? : FlatlineDixay
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      Consecrate, Exorcism, Holy Wrath. As far as I know, these are based off of spell damage now, not AP. : electroly
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        because those are abilities that ret paladins use. they're changing ret paladins so that the gear they us... : JINKY
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          I just think it's weird that they're changing the base stats for a paladin. Str/agi have never been impo... : electroly
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            Lets see any high end guild is going to have a ret paladin or they are just dumb and crippling themselves... : Chod
            • Exactly. Blizzard had to put gear in the game specifically tailored to making a Retribution build viable.... : Ajax
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          Then they should make a talent in the ret tree to give them a boost to spell damage based off of their at... : Dorf
          • Oh man. As a Shockadin I can only imagine how absolutely godlike a talent like that would make me. Especi... : Ajax
          • Actually I guess this won't be horrible. According to the tooltip you get damage from both spell damage ... : Dorf
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          They're abilities that all Paladins use. : action wombmate
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            ... but now only ret paladins will be good at them, because the other specs won't have strength :( : electroly
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              Shockadins will benefit from using that gear as well. : Ajax
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                As a Holy Paladin I enjoyed the synergy between my healing and spell-related attacks. I never thought th... : action wombmate
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                  yeah i guess i'm just feeling left out as a holy pally. my healing gear comes with some respectable spel... : electroly
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                    Clearly you're playing the game wrong. HOLY IS FOR HEALING RET IS FOR PEW PEW I guess. Us hybrids ar... : Rotten Deadite
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                      it was awesome holding my own in pvp because i can slap down massive heals on myself with 0% cast interru... : electroly
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                        Yup. I don't see the point of playing a hybrid if it really just comes down to "choose one of three jobs... : Rotten Deadite
                        • It's not like Holy Paladin damage is insane or anything. We have to spend a lot of mana to put out that ... : action wombmate
                • Also 3 minute forbearance = ouch : action wombmate
        • I think it's generally fine that they're making these skills scale with attack power, although I do think... : FlatlineDixay
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        warrior/paladin itemization is being changed significantly. warrior, paladin and dk will all recieve grea... : Ziggurat
        • I'm still a little bit uncertain about the strength thing. I mean, I think it's great, but you're also ge... : FlatlineDixay
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    Maybe their itemization is being tweaked to be more melee-oriented? : Zek
    • the itemization is being tweaked, yeah. war/pal/dk will all get benefits from str : Ziggurat
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    They are trying to consolidate itemization. So all plate will be good for all plate wearing classes. No... : Crimsonbeak
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      well, this change wouldn't really change anything for healers unless i'm missing something? healers are ... : electroly
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        there is no more healing gear. only +spell power : porp
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          what is spell power? is that different than the spell damage we have now? : electroly
          • nevermind i figured it out. spell power x 1.88 is your +healing. : electroly
      • There will probably still be casters plate to go with the +damage stuff, but there won't be the minutiae ... : Ajax
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  I just saw the new "Divine Plea" holy paladin talent, get 50% of your mana back over 6 seconds. I take b... : electroly
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    see this sounds like an evocation, but it doesn't specify half of your FULL mana/ Base mana %? it will... : Iwannaacura
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      it says 50% of your total mana : electroly
      • the wording is identical to evocation : electroly
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        so equip your +int weapons right before using it and win : AllYourBase
        • it's going to be kickass. i go oom every single arena match and now i actually have a shot at gaining so... : electroly
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    It's got some monster cooldown, right? : Rotten Deadite
    • 5 minutes. : electroly
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  lol... http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/july/dkmount2.jpg : smax
  • hahaha wth blizzard. : pigvomit
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    another lol. http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/july/ringskirintor.jpg boy, those : atom519
    • Also note the vendor's name. I see what they did there. : Ajax
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  Rogue energy mechanics have now been changed, they now return energy every 1/10th of a second instead of : yAak
  • nice! : das_runt
  • video here: http://files.filefront.com/regenmechavi/;11267790;/fileinfo.html : smax
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    Did they completely kill the combo point thing for rogues, and replace it with energy of some sort? It's... : SqueegyTBS
    • no. rogues have always had both combo points and energy. : Ziggurat
    • its still the same. Its the energy returned instead of 10 you actually get individual numbers. So you ... : Iwannaacura
  • Taat is a pretty big buff for rogues. : nosseman
  • Holy crap that is sweet as hell. Hope the druid pew pew form gets that too. : Rotten Deadite
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    Because rogues really need to be able to use their shit more often =/ : action wombmate
    • Agreed >:( : atom519
    • well, i'm really glad i won't have to think about timing my opener around that stupid 2 second tick. : yAak
    • This doesn't necessarily make the rate of energy regen higher, it just makes it smoother. : Goncyn
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      they cant use it more often, it just fits more for talents that reduce skill energy by 2 but you tick 20 ... : Slowtreme
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        Sure it would, since the Energy cost for abilities varies so much you might be only 5 energy short for so... : action wombmate
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          He means, over a set period of time you won't be able to use the abilities more because the total energy ... : walker270
          • Yeah as I think about it more I suppose the trade-off is fair, we'll have to see how it works in executio... : action wombmate
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      Actually it is a pretty big nerf. Usually you can get a pretty big burst that will decide the fight if yo... : crazywigga
      • It will probably open up alternate strategies, though, as people play around with it. : action wombmate
    • No kidding. The only guy I don't have issues with rogues on is my Pally. They fucking tear my hunter an... : MacemanInTW
  • mana works the same way. http://files.filefront.com/regenmechavi/;11267790;/fileinfo.html : Medium Heavy
• is the level cap still 77? : Downforce
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  don't defect omeganewb :C : moe6
  • oh shit nevermind, your nick looked like ateam's at first ahaha. : moe6

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• yes, me, frustratingly annoying but mostly fun, maybe but it's like a totally different game now. It's ve... : pancake humper
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  I just picked it up at my local grocery store! Got a free t-shirt, too. I <3 Fred Meyer. : ChibiJosh
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    lol grocery store? : mwasher
    • Yeah. Fred Meyer is a Portland area chain that combines groceries / electronics / books / movies / etc. S... : ChibiJosh
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  I have it in my hands right now but won't play it until later tonight. : redfive
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    wow, so you can type with it? this game can do everything! : dirge23
    • I'm using the corner of the box to hit my letters. Sure I won't win Typing Shark but who cares! : redfive
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  AWESOME. NexusOne99 on Xbox Live. I will dominate you all. : NexusOne
  • is the online play fairly lag free? there were some concerns posted yesterday. : mwasher
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  I picked it up on my lunch break at the mall, along with a footlong pretzel dog and cheese dip from Aunt ... : .ka`boom.zZz.
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    Story mode on the standard difficulty has always been a joke. : dirge23
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      Can someone please tell me what makes this a different game from the others? It doesn't seem that compli... : .ka`boom.zZz.
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        Play against human players. It's a fighting game, like most other fighting games, so if you're expecti... : dirge23
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          eh i need to learn more about the game before i fight anyone. I need to figure out how to break throws an... : .ka`boom.zZz.
          • If it's like the previous entries in the series: Block + Forward or Block + Back = Parry. Breaking th... : genom
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    Sorry coming from UMK3 where even if you're fucking amazing the CPU will shit on your face, to a game whe... : .ka`boom.zZz.
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      This is how SC1 and 2 were on higher difficulties, iirc. : dirge23
      • Yeah... the Soul Calibur AI has always been pretty much brain-dead up until the highest difficulty where ... : ChibiJosh
  • Soul Calibur is similar to something like SSB that way- if you get really into the mechanics you can lear... : tashtego
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    Ivys tits are huge by the way. They've definitely improved the jiggle physics. Much smoother, gives them ... : .ka`boom.zZz.
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      I think her moves are still similar too, I was able to do the one where you shove the sword in the ground... : .ka`boom.zZz.
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        She had one insane throw that had a ridiculous input command but basically caused her sword to break apar... : ChibiJosh
        • Summon Suffering! There was another one that they added in Soul Calibur 2 as well... I forget the name t... : sevogajre
        • Yeah a friend of mine managed to pull that off in combat once or twice. : dirge23
    • Woo Ivy. ;D : DM7
    • mmmmm... jiggle physics : but why
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  http://shackers.gamewith.us/360/soul-calibur-iv http://shackers.gamewith.us/ps3/soul-calibur-iv : ThomW
  • Thanks ThomW :) : Nitrium
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  I played it yesterday and was happy- the best thing being that the move interpolation is greatly enhanced... : Borzoi
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    I think I'm gonna go with the 360, for Live and because none of my friends have a PS3. : dirge23
    • right now it's really split down the middle- a lot of people at work are getting the 360, but a big chunk... : Borzoi
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  How do you get the Apprentice? Someone said beat the Story as Yoda but that turned out wrong. I'm missing... : NFXFSX
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    You beat ARCADE as Yoda : pancake humper
    • Damnit. : NFXFSX
• Got it at lunch, checking it out later. : sevogajre
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  How is online play now that there are more people available to play with? Are you having luck finding ga... : mwasher
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    wishing for it won't make it magically better :( : pancake humper
    • there are plenty of reviews out there that say the majority of the games they tried ran smooth. so i'm t... : mwasher
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    I'd say 80% of games were lag free, and if you wait and see the opponents lag meter before accepting a ma... : NexusOne
    • beautiful : c_man_tmt
• I think I will buy tomorrow, but I will have to wait about 15-20 days to arrive here :( : Nitrium
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  Please post controller impressions with this game :[ I'm really leaning towards the PS3 because of the... : ghost in my shell
  • I'm more used to the Xbox controller for SC, but i've played it on both now and I honestly didn't feel li... : Borzoi
• Got the 360 premium edition at lunch. What's the little mini-sharpie for? To autograph my own shirt? : spigot
• I have the 360 version sitting at home right now - will play tonight. : c_man_tmt
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  Does it have Counter moves like Dead or Alive? : Skoal^Fyfan
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    no : pancake humper
    • It does (at least,earlier Caliburs did), but on a very limited basis. : dirge23
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    there's a mechanic in the game called "Guard Impact" (it was in SC2 and SC3, don't know for sure if they ... : ucanbfuzzy
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      Guard Impacts remain in SC4. But no, they are not "auto-damage" like in DOA. Performing a guard impact ... : sevogajre
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        Ahhh, interesting. In SC2 and SC3 you can do a Guard Impact that transitions directly into one of the ... : ucanbfuzzy
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          Hmmmm? I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I played SC2 extensively (not #3 though). While I know som... : sevogajre
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            Well, I've been playing SC2 recently and I do know that I performed two different Guard Impact -> Throw m... : ucanbfuzzy
            • Well yeah, you can go right into a throw after a GI and it gives you a shot at it, but then you're 50-50 ... : sevogajre
          • IIRC, as of SC2, the disadvantage wasn't that severe - it was only a handful of frames. Many of the slowe... : MaJeStu
• Do want but so broke :( : grayscale
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  I'm going to pick it up at lunch. Looking forward to retiring SC2 on my GC. : bigblack
  • link > yoda : c_man_tmt
• I'm stopping on my way home from work to pick this up, and probably a bag of skittles : DJediX
• should be in my mailbox waiting for me : whistletits
• So I'm guessing the space between Yoda and the Apprentice is Vader whenever they decide to gives us the D... : NFXFSX
• Vader's secret apprentice is too goddamn hard to beat. : Vincent Grayson
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  argh I couldn't make myself stop to get it because I'm worried it's not gonna have $60 worth of lasting a... : mwasher
  • ditto. debating jumping on my bike to grab it u the street. Store closes in 15 mins. : Skoal^Fyfan
• I was kinda shitfaced when I tried to play last night, but managed to get myself a few levels up the towe... : MacemanInTW