Carmack: Doom 4 Sports Better Graphics Than Rage; Uses id Tech 5, Lower Frame Rate

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• Serious Sam 3 : cmdreno
• totally agree : special agent smith
• 100% agree. : mayanobsidian
• agreed....gahhhh c'mon id software!! do you seriously think people no longer enjoy killing dozens of demo... : stevesan
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  And where are they saying they won't be using some of that extra graphical power to do that? : Carnivac
  • Exactly. Why in satan's fiery hell would you take a comment that Doom 4 will be demanding to mean that it... : pizzaput

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• Advanced and better looking gfx is backwards from less demanding gfx? Buy a good video card when Doom 4 c... : pizzaput

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  depends on the number of closets in the scene. : pillzer
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    i lol'ed. : apfelstrudel2
    • So did I.... lol : X-Nice
  • You win the thread. : theflux
  • Haha! Well played. : jtthe2nd
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    You are the supreme champion of the world : ateam311
    • iawtp : lord_omega

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• Couldn't agree more. I was hoping they would make another Doom 2. How can they not realize that, that ... : fishcake

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  • black turtlenext step : e v i l
  • Hahhahahah : ZaldronGG
  • I thought it was the "Reality Distortion Field." : LeapingFool
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  well, the PowerPC build would have to be re-endianed, but the intel build wouldn't... which leaves me at ... : Toraz Chryx
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    I suppose Carmack is talking about assets rather than actual executable builds...I mean, how are you to b... : ZaldronGG
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      He said on the Kotaku interview that they could fire a process that compiled all versions at once, but th... : zehh
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        You can't make a free for all executable. Unless every platform strangely shares a fundamental similarity... : ZaldronGG
        • When they say "single build" they mean that they can build everything from the same source files (both co... : Liquid
        • Yes, like I said, just the same *process*. : zehh
• Maybe they finally found that missing Step 3. Dammit Jeff Goldblum, I will believe your lies no longer! : WhoIsThePumaman
• The build system runs on windows. There is no mac cross compiler for windows, therefore the mac build ca... : binaryc
• 2. ??? : stevesan

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• you going this year? Alongside E3, I definitely hope to attend that one day. :( http://www.quakecon.o... : humbleone
• If I didn't live on the other side of the globe yeah I'd definitely go. : pillzer

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  Also, 30hz?. Are they fucking kidding me? : paketep
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    Protip: object-dependent motion blur capable engines do not need framerates higher than 25 fps. Do movies... : ZaldronGG
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      Motion blur when turning in real life would make me end my own life. Motion blur in games makes me feel a... : TwiiK
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        Don't judge it based on the fullscreen motion blur post-process filter we've seen since Ep2, it's complet... : ZaldronGG
        • Project Offset has some really superb object-dependent motion blur in their tech demo: http://www.project... : phokz
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      As a part of a cognitive psychology lab that studies this kind of stuff the resounding answer is: apples ... : astonish
      • Point taken, but if games introduced "fake frames" via the subsampling of movement artifacts the brain wo... : ZaldronGG
      • Good point. Also: cameras in movies don't move as much or as diversely as they do in FPS games. Try to ... : Rotten Deadite
    • Yes they do, there's this weird stroby effect to all of them. We've just gotten used to it. : locater16
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      Hmm, so much for "protip." Ha. : antareus
      • Have you tried the difference? : ZaldronGG
    • Yes movies do look jerky sometimes. As a matter of fact, because of the low frame rate of movies, direct... : mcquaidster
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    What about it? Quake3 used 30hz ticks as well. : Jago
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      Yea, most people don't know that 30Hz is actually 30 unique frames / ticks / server heartbeats per second... : anal justice
      • Was that last line a pun? : mobab
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  Do you think Carmack cares that you don't care? : ZaldronGG
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    I don't think he cares that Carmack doesn't care that he doesn't care. : Lunaran
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      well I certainly don't care that he doesn't cares Carmack doesn't cares about his comment. It's not like ... : ZaldronGG
      • thread of care brain explosions : humbleone
• I bet you liked Bioshock though... right? : Pneum0
• I think id is smart enough to learn from their mistakes. : matthaeus
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  Agreed, don't make another Doom 3. They need to make a game that is fun for more than the first quarter ... : rhodesbe
  • That's funny the first quarter is easily my least favorite. But i've beaten it over 5 times. : Pneum0
• He specifically said id as a company was more focused on fun than on elegant design or good graphics, and... : Gonzo
• What? You didn't appreciate the enjoyment of having a monster cheaply spawn behind you from a secret clos... : jtthe2nd

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• I hope he was referring to framerate and not tickrate. Otherwise wtf? : thewindcriesmary
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  Considering he's talking about doom looking a lot better, graphics fidelty and not more physics interacti... : hornoxe
  • no, no, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! : apfelstrudel2
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  Doom 4 will be cross platform, so 30 Hz is probably the target frame rate for 360 and ps3. PC will probab... : markusarv
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    What makes you think that, given that he said nothing close to that? : batkiwi
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      i think he meant the renderer can be unlocked from the gameticks. so 30hz game, physics, ai and 60hz for ... : apfelstrudel2
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        Yes this is what happened in Quake Wars. Hopefully this time around the animations will likewise be able ... : Mansmells
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          Carmack said at Quakecon last year that unlocking the framerate from the game tick is a bad thing and he ... : jet-poop
          • Yeah, with modern character and object physics and collision code, things can get really wierd if you dis... : mn3m0n1c
          • You can solve that in a lot of different ways. It's hard to say what the problem is with Quake Wars. V... : markusarv
          • yet they did it, thankfully : Mansmells
      • I don't think he meant that. I remember in a post he frowned upon etqw being 60hz gameticks but default ... : mcquaidster
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      We will have graphics cards that is 5-10 times as fast as the consoles GPUs by the time Doom 4 ships. Doe... : markusarv
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        Why do I come to these comments? I feel dumber just reading them. Maybe I'm just bored. : molaughlen
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          I am sorry =) For once, Carmack is vague. We have to guess. : markusarv
          • waits for the carmack speech @quakecon; and someone has to ask him: any volunteer here? : apfelstrudel2
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            He's mentioned the 30 vs 60 fps argument several times since the introduction of idTech5. Basically what... : molaughlen
            • Yep, I think we agree. The fact that you have to handle a car is also a reason why it's important to have... : markusarv
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  Bah, i'm not buying it if it's locked at a 30hz. tic It would be kinda like playing GTA:SA (PC) with th... : Tech T
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    He's not talking about rendered frames, he means the frequency at which the game engine runs. : Richensw
    • Well, pardon my lack of technical background but in Doom3 that was 60hz - end result being a 60fps cap. ... : Tech T

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  ooooh baby such a naughty game with those low hz oooooh yeahh!! : Unleashed
  • don't feed the trolls... : apfelstrudel2
• hahaha : Mansmells
• lollll : magicfucker

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• bump for clay people : Luminair
• sculpt them with your weapons then :P : humbleone
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  Yeah I was just going to say that all of this advanced tech is useless if you still can't make your chara... : SenorSpine
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    You ingrates. : molaughlen
    • Good point, the screenshots stopped looking terrible after you said that. : SenorSpine
  • ouch, ouch, so much OUCH! that i regret to discern a picasso from a turd. crys out loud... : apfelstrudel2
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  I thought all the characters in the new Rage trailer looked great. There was a little bit of sculptey... : jet-poop
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    the new trailer looks good yep, pretty much in every area. I'm still skeptical whether or not they are a... : humbleone
    • id's been good at getting the "feel" of things just right and the buggy in the latest trailer looked good... : capt tripps
• I have to agree. Valve's facial animations have really raised the bar. : .frame
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  Doom 3's models looked like plastic, not clay, so this is an upgrade. : thesubtlesnake
  • so in 2 years we get wax models right?! : Shadowdane
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  I don't think any studio makes really good human models. Most of them try to hind the serious flaws by p... : rastafar1an
  • I thought Crysis' faces were pretty damn good. That scene at the start with the dude up in your face, wak... : AxeMan808

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• That would be insane, so... No. It's a console thing. : Pulveri
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  For PC (as well as consoles) it means the game will likely be internally capped at 30 fps - but you'll pr... : mn3m0n1c
  • ya quakewars is like this. it's capped by default but with a console command you can uncap it : flasher 907
• It seems they use the same art assets across all platforms, so the difference manifests itself on the PC ... : thesubtlesnake
• I assume it's still relevant when talking about recommended specs for the PC version. : House
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  They did this with Quake 4 locking the FPS at 30 or 60, forget which, that game ruined the name quake. : datim
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    for the millionth time id did not make quake4. on the other hand raven always finds ways to ruin games... : logan
    • but at the same time i'm sure id wasn't completely hands off on quake4 either. if it was going the wrong ... : flasher 907
  • quake4 was 60hz (rendertick) and since the beta patch 1.4 u were allowed to uncap it to 120; now with 1.4... : apfelstrudel2
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  I'm not well-informed here, but iirc locking your frame-rate allows you to take certain shortcuts in the ... : Rotten Deadite
  • Thank you for explaining that so well. : spyrext
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  I think people are confusing frame rate and the game's tick rate. What he says is "[Doom 4 is] going to ... : Mr Milquetoast
  • don't shoot me: quake3 has its gameticks bound to the serverticks; which is since patch (add a number) 40... : apfelstrudel2
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    Then none of Carmack's comments about improving visual fidelity (with 30Hz) make sense, and Doom 3 had a ... : thesubtlesnake
    • They are sacrificing tick rate to free up resources for more visual fidelity. Yes, this is a sacrifice. ... : Liquid
  • This is all the right answer! In addition to that, they will almost certainly lock the FPS to the tick ... : Liquid

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• Earlier this year. Check out the full story, there's a link in there. I really should get to bed. Lord. : Chris Faylor
• idsoftware.com "may. 7, 2008 - the battle vs evil continues in doom4" : apfelstrudel2
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  Yes the expansion is definitely worth it, shorter but very intense. : pillzer
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    Thank you. Buying tonight. : [7]kami
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      Which brings me to another question: can i get Doom 3 through steam with my box key? : [7]kami
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        Nope. : freshyk
        • Goddamnit, lame. : [7]kami
• It picks up right where DooM3 let's off, so it's pretty intense. Definetly worth the buy if you liked Do... : Pneum0
• I didn't like the expansion as much as the original (which I loved) but I still enjoyed it enough to fini... : nudel
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  The expansion is good. I think most people didn't play Doom 3 the way they should've. Until you set as... : Marrbe
  • You forgot the proper game settings. Put it on the hardest difficulty, and get rid of all HUD onscreen d... : rms
  • I loved Doom 3. My only complaint was that it needed more of the spooky scenes that made my skin crawl. (... : swansong
  • Pretty sure people didn't like it because it was kind of like a haunted house. You roam around in the dar... : K1Bond007
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    Doom 3 isn't really a scary game even given that sort of situation. Surprising people with loud noises an... : Arceihn
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      Scary is so subjective. I founds parts of Doom 3 very scary, and I played it during the day. I was shouti... : nudel
      • Having a demon jump out from a closet behind is acceptable, ONCE. After that it's just lazy and annoying.... : jtthe2nd
      • True, nudel. You can't just expect a game to deliver the experience. Think of it as a book. A Steven K... : Marrbe
  • Thats how everyone should of played F.E.A.R : smelly9999
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    dude i tried that shit the first night. it messed up. i ended up finishing the game with my headphones o... : onji
    • it messed ME up : onji
• The expansion was actually pretty good. I mean if you liked Doom 3 then you'll probably like this. : K1Bond007

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  the double shotgun was awesome there for sure http://www.games.net/features/images/101258_2.jpg http:... : humbleone
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    Doom 1/2 are shining examples of games that age well. I'd go as far as to say that the gameplay became... : zehh
    • I like the music in the old games. There simply any good music in these newer games... =\ You know, w... : mobab
• signed : special agent smith

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• Featuring Ultra-Bloom technology! : Shadowdane
• ^^^ lol : utgaardsloke

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• Yes, except Doom 3 wasn't built around Xbox 1. : mrwolf710
• That and iD tech 5 is designed to run on 360/PS3/ and PC. John only said it every time he has ever menti... : X-Nice
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  Um no. Doom 3 was built for PC. The ported to Xbox after the fact. : kodt
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    The Geforce3 was chosen as the base level graphics card supported largely because it was almost identical... : Carnivac
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      The first public demo of Doom 3 was at Macworld San Francisco in January 2001 on the fastest graphics car... : Toraz Chryx
      • Which means that by the time the game came out, that is probably the base level graphics card. : OmegaRed59
    • Yes, but my point was that they didn't "dumb it down" so that it could run on xbox. The game was very i... : kodt
• its one of the bullet points when talking about the engine : Demius

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• Fallout series probably doesn't stop with 3 : humbleone

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  no, just the fact that carmack got married with demirtini. : apfelstrudel2
  • DeMartini, my bad. : apfelstrudel2
• I think they mentioned yesterday that EA will be publishing RAGE. : fleabug
• http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53626 : humbleone

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  Mad Max? : Altanar
  • Fun. : Matt Burris

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  iam actually more excited about quake5 than rage or doom4. : apfelstrudel2
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    U;n actually more excited about a PC exclusive than rage or doom 4. 30 fps for Doom 4? Sounds like it won... : Skyburst101
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      listen to this man! he knows what he's talking about! : apfelstrudel2
      • Yup, you can tell from all the games he developed... /sarcasm. : X-Nice

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• They are obviously using both APIs if it runs on the 360. : astonish