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• That's some slick water effects. Can't wait to see how the game is like. : Matt Burris
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  I wonder if you'll be able to use your snorkel and your shotgun at the same time : GloriousCow
  • The ShackNews Banner at the top currently reads "Flashlight or Gun, BUT NOT BOTH" for me. Heh. : ra1n
• This better have the greatest wet t-shirt physics ever achieved in a video game, or I'm going to be pisse... : treefingers1
• Sounds like rapture. ;) : DM7
• god damn, that's nice. : Shai-Tan
• Wow, that is actually really awesome. : Athlon7
• sweeeet : pyros
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  Neat, but I fail to see how it'll make the game any more fun. : AscorSix
  • it will revolutionize the bukkake simulator market at least : GloriousCow
• real-time water leads to real-time BLOOD effects. I can't wait. : headbone
• I bet you they are trying to sell that to the Bioshock team.. : deathofrats
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  That's some fancy-pants water. I can't help but suspect the game might end up like Fracture - a meh-looki... : A Sponge
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    or red faction I am expecting a mediocre fps with nifty water effects that end up being underutilized in... : GloriousCow
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      Fancy effects like this and Fracture/Red Faction are a complex affair. Video games are moving visually... : A Sponge
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        Excellent post. I share your desire for fluids. : GloriousCow
        • And that's why we must get that nuke dropped. : A Sponge
      • I think portal was great because of the way the game was structured. I was starting to get bored with the... : datoo
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  Where's the trailer? :| : CrustaR
  • Oh, nevermind. I found it: http://www.bladeinteractive.com/images/hydrophobiatrailer.avi : CrustaR
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    There's a little link on the website. : DinK
    • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=17432242#itemanchor_17432242 : CrustaR
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  lol @ getting excited over this more than Fallout 3. : pancake humper
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    For a first preview of Fallout 3 they did a pretty bland job of showing it off. : dravalen
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      this is a tech demo of water...... : pancake humper
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        I know, I was commenting on the MS press demo. : dravalen
        • watch the other Fallout 3 trailer, it makes the game look a lot better. The press demo looked blah compar... : pancake humper
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  e3 hasn't started yet btw : JINKY
  • oh i guess it kinda has, i thought the main thing started tomorrow : JINKY
  • don't lie to yourself : SlamDunk
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  trailer was too short to really know if I should be excited by this or not. : bakanoodle
  • Yeah... it was very short. : crummynz
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    yeah, it felt very watered down : filthysock
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      it was just a trickle of media : GloriousCow
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        Sure got SlamDunk wet. : crummynz
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          I'd prefer not to be flooded with stuff at this stage, though. : BlackCat9
          • All this new fangled tech is enough to drive a man to drink! : crummynz
• Am I missing the real trailer? The video I watched looked like a pre-alpha tech demo. : Ely
• wow.. that's really, really impressive for real time : Fredrik S
• As someone who is absolutely terrified of water within games (Half-life 2, Bioshock), this looks like a h... : lightly inclined
• A game about rabies? : LeapingFool

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  Nope. My birthday is the following day. : Wombat Woo
  • my birthday is the day before. :) : chilln
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  Wow...I'm hoping Gears 2 doesn't cannibalize them on the 360. : RomSteady
  • At least Left 4 Dead will probably be on Steam, which means they'll make a bucketload regardless of sales... : aaarrrgh
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  what's crazy about that release date? Though they shoulda just busted some ass and released it 4 days ea... : proclone1
  • Aren't Simpsons Halloween episodes generally after Halloween? : Sailor of Fortune
  • Three days before Gears of War 2, among a slew of other games. Xmas is going to be nuts again. Fuck. I... : omnova
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    Gears of War 2 on the same week. : GrimmyD
    • Exactly. : phyooz
    • fortunately gears of war 2 isn't coming to the PC : Medium Heavy
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    Election day. Also Quantum of Solace on the 7th. Servers are gonna be dead that night. There is no discus... : K1Bond007
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      wouldn't it be more appropriate to shoot them with a silenced PPK instead of cutting them? : datoo
      • He's an achievement whore. : Sailor of Fortune
      • After I get bored. Bond's first kill according to the Great Ian Fleming was a knife across the throat. Or... : K1Bond007
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      Didn't a trailer of it come out recently? : Magus
      • Dev trailer... : K1Bond007
• Wonderful news, in fact. All games I'm looking for are released in november = less to buy for me. : shirif
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  What year? : capt tripps
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    Pretty sure, it's this year. Something else to look forward too besides Quantum of Solace. : lightly inclined
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      So what you're say is that if they say it's coming out in November, bundle it with video cards, and hold ... : capt tripps
      • I don't know what you just said, but now I'm angry. : lightly inclined
• A perfect day for a game where you kill mindless zombies. : pigvomit
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  If you could choose only 1 game, which one would you pick? L4D will probably win on the Shack but I do... : razlebol
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    If I could only buy one of the two, GoW2, no contest. : phyooz
    • same here, GOW2 gets my attn : X-GOUKI
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    L4D easily. I could not make it through GoW because of Dom that stupid piece of shit. : aaarrrgh
    • Seriously, fuck Dom, you stupid ass motherfucker, can't you see you can't run into the fucking dark? Fuck... : aaarrrgh
  • GoW2. easy. : mwasher
  • GoW2. L4D is still unproven. : Pettytheft
  • I loved GoW1 so much but for some reason I'm not that excited over 2 yet - that said, still prob GoW2 - L... : veras
  • Valve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Epic. L4D : SenorSpine
  • Left 4 Dead and I liked Gears a lot. I've been needing a good PC coop shooter and this one looks great. ... : pyide
  • Left 4 Dead. 4>2 : pyrogen
  • Left 4 Dead (I don't have a 360 anyways). : deject
  • left 4 dead. mouse+keyboard > * : Medium Heavy
  • between GoW2 and L4D? I don't have a 360 so that's a pretty easy answer. : datoo
  • left 4 dead... Never understood why people loved Gears so much. : aeg1x
  • I'll get both. : mittense
  • Luckily, I can get both because I don't know what the fuck I'd do! : SockMonkeh
  • L4D for 2 simple reasons: PC + COOP. Seriously, there is not enough of this on PC. : jane911
  • L4D, then GoW2 when it comes out for the PC if I don't have an xbox360 by then. : DrWaffles
  • L4D. I coudlnt stay interested in GoW1 long enough to finish it : dantastic
• Gears of War 2 can suck my dick, I'm going to be shooting zombie ghosts in the head on Nov. 4th. : deject
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  fuck im getting married the 1st. i wonder if i can bring my xbox on the honeymoon and not wind up divorce... : maulla
  • Only one way to find out. Do it! : Washburne

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• Hmm. Interested, but not amazed. Still, fun I imagine. : Visceral Monkey
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  it looks kind of bad. the combat and the environment just look incredibly bland : JINKY
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    I'm hoping that's just some kind of video encoding thing, because it did look pretty dull color wise. : Visceral Monkey
    • Zero Punctuation will have a field day with the brown-ness of it, but one would assume a post-apocalyptic... : riptyde
  • nuclear waste lands should have rainbows and chocolate rivers : gmd
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    also it looks pretty mind-numbingly easy, that seems like kind of a bad way to show off the game when you... : JINKY
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      is this the first time you've watched a game demonstration? they always turn on easy mode or use cheats s... : derelict515
      • I think the fact that the voice was so dead and dry it just made it look worse. : naios
• Hahah, the yankee doodle dandy playing in the background makes it look all the more awesome : MagicWishMonkey
• i hope that video isnt an indication of what the majority of fallout 3 will be like : ballystix
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  The game needs some serious anisotropic filtering. Not sure I understand the auto-targeting thing they w... : Matt Burris
  • Just finished it. Yeah, doesn't have me too excited. :( : Matt Burris
  • Yeah I'm not really sure the VATS system was the correct path. I understand they tried to take an importa... : Modulus
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  this looks awful. -10 excitement : ass-street
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    It's not a first person shooter. : FushigiDenki
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      Fallout 3 is a first person shooter and more. : Luminair
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        I guess you're pretty flexible on your definition then, I wouldn't consider Mass Effect an FPS either but... : FushigiDenki
        • I consider Mass Effect an action rpg, but we all know where that discussion went last time. I'm sure Fall... : avatar_58
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          isn't first person shooting enough to check the FPS checkbox? : Luminair
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            So are all first person RPGs shooters then? I can shoot a crossbow in Lands of Lore, but that isn't a sho... : avatar_58
            • anything you shoot in is a shooter : Luminair
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  FFFF in full force (FFFFFF) : gmd
  • F^6, I like it GMD. Well Played. : Jackass1233
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  * B I O S H O C K ' D * looks like a hohum shooter with some basic rpg elements to me and a queer li : mwasher
  • because bioshock was a terrible game? : the_burd
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    what the huh? If you know anything about Fallout and Bethesda I have no idea how you could say "basic RP... : DinK
    • because previous Bethesda RPGs have been pretty basic. Yeah, they have huge open worlds, but that's it. ... : valael
  • I'm confused. Don't you mean "OBLIVION WITH GUNS!" : DOOManiac
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  Yeah...I kinda just posted that. ;) As I said I like the effects, but why aren't they showing more than c... : avatar_58
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    They are casually demoing aspects of the game in this video, not demoing one specific type of gameplay or... : FushigiDenki
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      No contest, but I mean sell me on the game. The guy's like "oh I could hack....but naah" and just shoots.... : avatar_58
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        HE WAS DEMOING THAT PART OF THE FUCKING GAME : Ebu
        • HAI I LIKE CAPS TOO THEY R FUN : avatar_58
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    I agree with your concerns and I also have the concern that it looks ridiculously easy. : SockMonkeh
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      God mode. Bioshock demo did the same. He has no health, thus he doesn't dodge. : avatar_58
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        Yeah, I guess they always do this for game demos. I hate it. Always makes the games look like they suck. : SockMonkeh
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          I agree. The hype on bioshock almost died for me when he limped away from a turrent at turtle speed. I wi... : avatar_58
          • Your post presumes that devs aren't gamers. : Ebu
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      Yes because during their E3 demo they were going to risk the guy talking and trying to demo the game, jus... : DarkWolf5
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        I don't see why not. What would be so bad about that? That's what happens in games. : SockMonkeh
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          They have a time limit. These things are planned and scripted to show exactly what they want in the time ... : DarkWolf5
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            Seems like a poor place to show the first footage of the game then. I understand the constraints. : SockMonkeh
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              The live game demos always happen like this though. Very poor demonstrations of good or bad games. Rememb... : DarkWolf5
              • Yeah, that's why I am saying I think they should have skipped the opportunity and done the first public f... : SockMonkeh
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                people have been doing live demos like this of big games for a long time and they often look pretty incre... : JINKY
                • Action games do tend to be easier to demo just because there is a lot more going on. I just saw RE5 and i... : DarkWolf5
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        The standard thing seems to be to have one person playing and another person talking, because not many pe... : GilesH
        • The just need to give someone some weed and let him play it for the first time and give him a microphone.... : SockMonkeh
    • He obviously has tons of uber weapons, and he said he was at the beginning of the game. No auto-leveling... : DinK
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    Wow, Fallout fans are the worst. : Sexpansion Pack
    • I don't see anything wrong with what avatar said in that post. : SockMonkeh
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  official fallout 3 impressions: the guy can't aim with the thumbstick which means he plays all the ti... : Luminair
  • Well good thing there's the VATS system for people who can't aim, yeah? : Matt Burris
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    I don't get the STALKER comparisons for atmosphere, an area that has had a nuclear reactor melt down is c... : gmd
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      no wonder you don't get the comparison, you think it has something to do with bombs vs power plants : Luminair
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        it does when they bitch about color palettes : gmd
        • diablo 3 has too much color booo!! fallout 3 has too little color, booo! : FushigiDenki
        • Where's the fucking rainbow?! : Modulus
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          just because a bomb went off 20 years ago doesn't mean everything is the same shade of gray. Pause the s... : Luminair
          • The thing that bugs me about these statements, is its not just an issue of palettes, although it can cert... : Toth21
    • Probably because it's an open ended shooter-like game which involved mostly shooting folks without unders... : avatar_58
• Looks awesome! : chungathebunga
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  I am a huge fan of Bethesda, but that looked kinda... boring. Color palette, gameplay, pretty much everyt... : silent prophet
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    this is a good example of how ragdoll death "animations" sort of ruined the creativity of killing people.... : ballystix
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      Yeah, he shoots the first guy in the head with a sniper rifle... and all the guys limbs blow off. o_O : silent prophet
      • That's the Bloody Mess perk. I never use it but some people love it. : SockMonkeh
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        That's because of bloody mess. : datoo
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          yeah but in Fallout 1 & 2 bloody mess meant you got some ridiculous over the top animation of someone spl... : SenorSpine
          • thats because FO1+2 basically had 1 animation for each gory death per weapon. I can't tell you how many h... : derelict515
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      Haha have you seen Fallout's "animations" recently? : EvilDolemite
      • last time i checked sprites can still animate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFszp_FTcOU : ballystix
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  very underwhelmed : oHnOES
  • Yeah. Very "meh, whatever". : MrGrindy
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  Looks a little Mass Effect. That's bad. : Boxelder
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    No actually, I'm relieved that it does. Unfortunately I don't care so much about combat, my worries lie w... : avatar_58
    • I wish they'd show some of that, I've never even seen a video with character interaction. Hopefully ther... : FushigiDenki
  • I really enjoyed Mass Effect's combat on PC. If it's like the PC version, *awesome*. : zakazi
• Looks exactly how it's been described. Not sure what to think, but I'm always a sucker for anything po... : tomservo
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  rofl. i love this. an explosion of gaming media comes out and shacknews just shits on it all : alarm cock
  • It was a pretty poor demo, I think. Not saying it's a poor game, I'm just saying it was a lame demo. : SockMonkeh
  • you're right. We should always be positive no mater what. Happy happy happy, just keep smiling : Modulus
• what kind of wasteland was that..full of enemies of different kinds within 10 feet of each other. It just... : needlez
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  Uggh. Console controls :( : datoo
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    It's like the player character is wearing a neckbrace haha : tomservo
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      This is precisely how I feel when playing a FPS on the Xbox 360. Like I had a neckbrace on. :( : Matt Burris
      • and HUGE MITTENS : tomservo
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        I still can't do it, even in third person games like GTAIV. I needs my kb+m. I wish it weren't that way, ... : avatar_58
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          Actually I didn't have trouble with GTAIV and Crackdown, the latch-on feature both games have helps immen... : Matt Burris
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            Doesn't latch on to their heads, so I turned that off. I do better with it off. : avatar_58
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              For me, in GTA4, it snaps to their torso, but you can nudge the stick a bit so it points a tad upward at ... : tomservo
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                This was also the case in Crackdown. : Matt Burris
                • Crackdown let you actually lock onto various body parts, which affected your aim. (letting your aim sett... : DinK
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          didn't they support the mouse+keyboard for the ps3? : Hoax
          • There is, but I think it's game specific. Like, I can do kb+mouse in Unreal Tournament 3, but not in Call... : tomservo
  • /mouselook 0 : stonedonkey
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  Is anyone else confused by VATS? Why did it return to real time after he shot? Surely VATS isn't just aut... : avatar_58
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    You can see the hit percentages when he goes into VATS : dirge23
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      Yes but where is the turn based reaction from the enemies around him? Why did it exit VATS once he shot? ... : avatar_58
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        Well, if you shoot someone in the head for a kill, it's not likely they're going to get a turn, now is it... : zerog83
        • True, but he didn't give any sort of explanation. He just assumed we already knew. : avatar_58
      • Yeah they never said that afaik. It's not a pseudo turn-based mode, just their way of implementing the ta... : daedraug
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        VATS allows the use of action points (or whatever they're calling them) to queue up actions and aim at pa... : Vincent Grayson
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          So why then do some shots show like 500+AP? Why would you need that much to fire at locations? I assumed ... : avatar_58
          • So he doesn't run out of AP while demoing the game live in front of a worldwide audience, I would imagine... : A Sponge
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      which is confusing, whats the point of using VATS and not hitting 100% (unless i have 100% in a gun skill... : ballystix
      • Well that's up to the developers, to balance it in such a way as to make it worth using. Maybe it does a... : DinK
  • He should've explained what VATS was and why you'd want to use it, yes. I was confused by it. : GilesH
  • I think what you saw as "real-time" was just a big mini cut-scene that plays out when you take the shot. : SockMonkeh
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  Here is what it should have looked like, fuck Bethesda soft http://gmd.shackspace.com/FO3_Shacknews_Ed... : gmd
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    you know, a unicorn is oft referred to as a single woman at a swinger party : oHnOES
    • the more you know : gmd
  • You really are doing a commendable job defending Oblivion and Fallout. I applaud you, sir. : Matt Burris
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    Noted. : lplasmatron
    • lol. : zakazi
    • hahaha lplasma if there's one thing I loved about the video it was the environment. I want to see some of... : SockMonkeh
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    oh gawd they took my freakin' kidney!!! : Dave-A
    • Shun the nonbeliever. Shun. Shun. Shuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnn. : Ebu
  • its not isometric wtf gmd : kelerian
  • What's that flesh colored object in the background? : CrustaR
  • There's obviously too many colors in this. Nothing will ever be right! My childhood has been destroyed! : Jackass1233
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  not impressed for all the reasons people named above. just wanted to join the haters. : Hoax
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    I think people are forgetting that this is NOT a trailer. It's a 5 minute press conference walkthrough. ... : FushigiDenki
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      So 5 minutes isn't long enough for first impressions? : Matt Burris
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        Umm, no, not considering the context of the demonstration. And not in a game like this. : FushigiDenki
        • However, what do they expect when this is the first time many gamers will see the game? : Matt Burris
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        For a game that is supposed to be 100 hours? No. Hell look in the opposite direction, people that are... : DinK
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          Fallout 3 is not supposed to be 100 hours. They said it was shorter and more focused than Oblivion. : avatar_58
          • it was going to be, now its got even more gameplay even though the landmass is smaller http://kotaku.com/... : derelict515
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      FarCry 2 did a similar thing though, and I was more impressed with that than this. : deathofrats
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        So did Assasin's Creed and look how that game actually turned out. Don't review a game based on an 5 E3 ... : FushigiDenki
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          Movie trailers don't show 5 minutes of an uninterrupted scene. Bad analogy. : Matt Burris
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            Some of them do, lots of movies these days release "trailers" that are 5 to 10 minute chunks of the full ... : FushigiDenki
            • I've seen that, only a couple of times though, where they let you watch the first 5 or 10 minutes of the ... : Matt Burris
        • Spiderman 3 looked so rad :( : tomservo
        • Actually technically what they showed of Assasin's Creed was 100% what you got. The problem was they didn... : avatar_58
        • yeah, but that's making a game look GOOD in 5 minutes. so, you can make a bad game look good in 5 minutes... : JINKY
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      Generally speaking developers don't pick the weakest parts of a game to demo. : SenorSpine
      • Unless, of course, they are intentionally trying to sabotage their job and paycheck. : Matt Burris
• wow. cool shit. : AMikaboshi
• looks alright, I'll play it for sure. : contentious roy
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  hahahahaha. Did they think running around in large open environments with nothing to do is fun? Looks lik... : mista mista
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    Why don't you go ahead and reivew the game then since you've obviously seen all of it. : FushigiDenki
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      not this again. I have to judge the game based on what they've shown. Do you think they are going to show... : mista mista
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        You forgot to give a score in your review. : FushigiDenki
        • Don't know if you're being intentionally funny, but it got a LOL from me. : Matt Burris
      • "...I have to judge the game..." eh? : DinK
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        How about you wait for them to FINISH THE GAME before judging it? OH WAIT I FORGOT THIS IS THE INTERTUBE... : deject
        • Umm then why are they releasing media if they expect people not to judge it? I'm sorry but this circular ... : Toth21
• I don't know if I'm sold on the combat but the world looks incredible. : NastyJack
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  Ever since they announced the weapon, I have not figured out how they will handle radiation after you use... : Rag and Bone Man
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    Anti-radiation drugs, duh : dirge23
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      Yeah, but does it actually irradiate the area then? : Rag and Bone Man
      • They just treat the nuke with anti-radiation drugs before you launch it. So there's no radiation. No prob... : dirge23
      • I believe it does, yes. I think it was stated in some preview or another. : Arcanum
  • Also, is it just me or does it look like there is a pause between when the weapon hits the enemy, and whe... : Rag and Bone Man
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  Totally fucking excited. : Vincent Grayson
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    OMG Me too. This demo was a little underwhelming, but it doesn't lessen my pants-shitting excitement for ... : DrZettl
    • Honestly, I'm just happy to finally see the game itself in motion. : Vincent Grayson
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  wow this is not very impressive at all : Maarten Goldstein
  • (and i have no Fallout allegiance, just loved Oblivion) : Maarten Goldstein
• I like it. Cautious -1; Optimism +1; : Finestaut
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  There's this also: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36202.html : lplasmatron
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    Sweet. : FushigiDenki
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      Before you complain continue to complain, at least watch this video. : FushigiDenki
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        I did, I trust actual gameplay over slickly produced marketing-approved trailers. The trailer sure looke... : Matt Burris
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          I have to challenge your assertion of "actual gameplay." The other video was a series of carefully scrip... : Finestaut
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            What events? It was just him wandering around shooting. The god mode did lessen the effect, but just like... : avatar_58
            • I doubt there was any wandering involved, it's basically "Show enemy, show weapon, shoot enemy once with ... : Finestaut
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              Right, so he wasn't really playing was he? He didn't try to hack the terminal, explore the environment, ... : FushigiDenki
              • I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with a post of yours. Like... ever. : Finestaut
              • And all that trailer showed was enemies exploding. The difference was in the editing. : avatar_58
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                Those features have all been removed from the game obviously. : DarkWolf5
                • hahaha : FushigiDenki
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                Those are all gameplay elements, gameplay videos are supposed to show off the core elements of a game - g... : Matt Burris
                • I think that's where we're having our disconnect. You expected a more in-depth tour of the game, which i... : Finestaut
                • Maybe just the expectations are out of whack then. The video was clearly not intended as a thorough tour... : DinK
          • Gameplay is not defined by HOW you play a game. It's defined by being in the game, showing off what you ... : Matt Burris
        • Unfortunately this is true. The trailer is cut up after all. Prey's trailer made it look epic as well, bu... : avatar_58
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          I guess, a 5 minute demonstration video of Oblivion would be boring as hell too (go find some and see for... : FushigiDenki
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            A 5 minute video shortly before Oblivion came out was underwhelming (remember the grass visibility distan... : Matt Burris
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              I enjoy your opinion stated as fact for the majority, thx : derelict515
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                Trust me its more prevalent then you would imagine. Multiple I know feel that way, and all of us were exc... : Toth21
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                  how many of you had played daggerfall? the transition from game to game was pretty similar : xsoulbrothax
                  • I have, and it was one of my favorite games at the time (well minus the game breaking bugs...). The tr : Toth21
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            i agree with this... i need to see more to really judge but i don't know what i was imagining this game t... : ass-street
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              From what I can tell, it's Oblivion gameplay + guns and more morality in the Fallout universe. : FushigiDenki
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                i was kind of imagining something like the original but this is a logical evolution for the series. i'll... : ass-street
                • Originally Fallout 3 was a 3d top-down game just like it's predecessors, but that version was canceled. : FushigiDenki
  • not a single unicorn : gmd
  • This is the full trailer btw. : lplasmatron
  • Haha awesome. <3 Pipboy. : DarkWolf5
  • Hahaha, the father looking at the daughter like "Oh no you won't, keep your legs crossed" : avatar_58
  • That ruled : MrLobo
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    That's a pretty great trailer. I love the blood spray and whatnot from rifling people in the head. : Vincent Grayson
    • Did you see the eye balls flying around? : DarkWolf5
  • I like that even more. : Finestaut
  • ok this makes it look a lot cooler : oHnOES
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    Loved it. Colors looked better there too : Modulus
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      i noticed that too, it even showed the same scene (rocket taking out the patrolling bot) and it had more ... : deviantpaul
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        This could be a bad thing. Marketing may have upped the saturation or otherwise fiddled with the trailer... : Finestaut
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          It could've been a different time of the day. Not sure if Fallout 3 also features day/night cycles. : Matt Burris
          • it better >:( : derelict515
          • Oblivion did, so I would assume Fallout 3 will too. : Arcanum
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            Day/NIght are in the game, rain and stuff like that is not though :( : FushigiDenki
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              That's fine by me, I tend to dislike rain and snow in games. Too annoying. : Matt Burris
              • it would've been pretty cool for it to snow ash from some real fallout : derelict515
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                Really? I'd be fine if a game rained and had thunderstorms 24/7. I love that stuff. : avatar_58
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                  I live in Florida, I'm sick of the rain. :P : Matt Burris
                  • Can I have some? :( : avatar_58
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              precipitation is the word you're looking for : Luminair
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                What makes you think he was looking for a word? What he typed worked just fine and was entirely understan... : Ebu
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                  he said stuff. rain and stuff. rain and stuff? precipitation. : Luminair
                  • Right, he certainly could have used that word. But he didn't. And it was a little dickish to presum... : Ebu
  • okay, that was fucking sweet. : contentious roy
  • ok, those environments were much better than what was shown in the demo. : deathofrats
  • OK THAT'S WAY BETTTER : JINKY
  • Now THAT is the way to demo Fallout 3. I don't see the super washed out grey city anymore. : DrZettl
  • The color palette in that video looked much better. : silent prophet
  • much better than that gameplay demo for sure! Congradulations on finally getting to show off your game. : datoo
  • now THAT was cool : -Panther-
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    Now that should lay a lot of concern to rest (but it won't) : EvilDolemite
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      Marketing certaiinly would like to think they did their job well, though. : Matt Burris
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        The trailer shows several things: Visceral gunplay Violence level Dry humor Graphical quality Targ... : EvilDolemite
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          In short 2-seconds bursts between each? All of those were shown in the gameplay demonstration already, e... : Matt Burris
          • You don't fucking say? Shit, that's it, boycotting games. Damn marketers >:( : Ebu
  • needs more Perlman : DonkeyPopsicle
  • God that is fucking awesome. I can't wait for Fallout 3. : Ely
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    BUT NOW I CAN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE WHOLE GAME BASED ON A 5 MINUTE VERTICAL SLICE. FUCK YOU. People are st : derelict515
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      Most people here haven't complained about the whole game but, rather, the 5 minute vertical slice we got ... : SockMonkeh
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        correction, they complained about the whole game based on that 5 minute vertical slice : derelict515
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          Now you're just being stupid. Noone's played the whole game, not even the previewers claiming GOTY mater... : Matt Burris
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            (I have) : lplasmatron
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              these threads must be brutal for you, or hysterical, or both : dirge23
              • It's the internet. :) : lplasmatron
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              So, in your opinion, is it GOTY or GOTC? : Matt Burris
              • (he's a bit biased) : Ebu
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            what? I said people are being foolish for complaining about the whole game from a 5 minute vertical slice... : derelict515
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              Most of us haven't read the previews, including me (to avoid being spoiled), but we are basing our compla... : Matt Burris
              • yes, you can make impressions from the video but I see very little tempered 'well that wasn't great but e... : derelict515
  • The Bioware marketing dept. should watch that then kill themselves - A+ trailer : veras
  • that was pretty neat : Clay
  • fucking awesome : eeeealmo
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    REMEMBER MY FUCKING AGE YOU PIECE OF SHIT WEBSITE : Ebu
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      Maarten looking out for ya man: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=53614 : Kentor
      • This is why I love the shack. <3 : Ebu
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      HOW MANY TIME DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU I WAS BORN IN 1902? : silent prophet
      • That would just be silly. It's 1924 : Ebu
  • Hahaha. You can call 1-888-4VAULT-TEC. There's are millions of people in front of me in queue apparently. : crummynz
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    Looks like they have the HD one up now. : lplasmatron
    • http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36201.html And it's there. : lplasmatron
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    What's this robot at the beginning? Isn't it supposed to be just like the real world before the nukes? Di... : razlebol
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      No they were more "advanced" before the nujes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBNKa2KXZE Looks like it's... : DarkWolf5
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        I always thought they got nuked in the '50s, hence the lingering 50s americana and equipment. : silent prophet
        • it's not a direct copy of our universe. The nuking take place in 2077. I mean, a post apocalyptic world i... : DarkWolf5
        • Nah. Prior to the nukes, it was an alternate future based on what people in the 50s might've thought an ... : Arcanum
  • That was way more interesting (even ignoring the dry humor). : Toth21
  • that clip of the dweller walking with dogmeat at the end would make a cool wallpaper : xsoulbrothax
• eh, that looks like shit. what the hell? : virus
• His voice is horrible : chuck577
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  I like how everyone has conveniently forgotten that EVERY preview from people who've actually played the ... : derelict515
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    I don't think anyone forgot that. Everyone here is responding to the video and the video was crappy. : SockMonkeh
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      yes but people go "OMG ITS GREY EVERYWHERE" "OMG COMBAT SUCKS ANIMATIONS SUCK" well gee you only saw 5 mi... : derelict515
      • Most people here are making reasonable complaints specifically about the video. : SockMonkeh
• seriously? this looks awesome and fun.. looks like a majority of gamers disagree.. the combat looks fun, ... : jane911
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  Honestly, a big part of what I'm looking for is the exploration, so this looks fine. Especially if you c... : Arcanum
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    You can go in all the buildings, they are akin to the random cave dungeons in Oblivion. : FushigiDenki
    • Sweet. I loved exploring random caves and stuff in Oblivion. Sure, a lot of them were pretty similar, b... : Arcanum
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  Wow, I really hope there is a way to take out the slow motion bullet time effects because that is gonna g... : phate81
  • Looked like it only happened if you switched out of FPS mode : riptyde
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  Ugh, looks so stiff and awkward. : pancake humper
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    nuke catapulting gun makes up for it though : pancake humper
    • that explosion was lame though. This demo looks like shit. : baconisgod
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  Bethesda still cant animate humans :( : theWhite
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    i wonder if there's going to be more than 4 voice actors... : cpt_gloval
    • honestly, after oblivion, i would rather read text than go through that again : theWhite
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      If they don't seriously revamp the voice acting (or at least hire 10x as many actors) they're never going... : DinK
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        There may or may not be voice acting done by a very well-known actor : MisterPhoton
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          so they plan on blowing their budget on a couple actors is what you are saying? : theWhite
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            sounds familiar... : Modica Sol Solis
            • "Hi I'm Patrick Stewart... you know from Star Trek? Don't be surprised though, I'll be gone in 5 minutes ... : Toth21
        • They've already announced that part mister NDA. =) Unless you're talking about some other, more famou... : DinK
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        they have been very adamant about having unique voice acting for the npcs in interviews, but who knows...... : filthysock
        • i don't mind a few actors playing multiple roles, but don't make the guy next to the NPC i'm currently ta... : cpt_gloval
        • Yeah, this among other things is one of the areas I seem to remember them clearly saying they knew was a ... : DinK
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  I want to defend Fallout 3, but...* N D A ' D * : MisterPhoton
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    *high fives* : lplasmatron
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      *fist bump* : MisterPhoton
      • I don't think I've simultaneously loved and hated a pair of people so clearly at any time previous to rig... : DinK
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      what's that you say? you're coming to the shackmeet on the 26th? and what's that? you're bringing a playa... : zerog83
      • Wait what? Shackmeet? Shit *searches* : lplasmatron
  • Bad presentation aside, I WANT TO BELIEVE!!! : ctlaltl33t
  • I wanted to be in on that but then I remembered how much I hate maryland. : gmd
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    Hypothetically speaking, if someone were to make a clone and call it Out Fall Triplets, what would it be ... : ifallible
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      The answer to your question is Batman. : lplasmatron
      • does fallout 3 have Ben's Chili Bowl? : gmd
      • Would Out Fall Triplet have any Monty Python references included? Please say yes : DarkWolf5
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  What the hell is wrong with people in this thread? Shouldn't you all know by now that a 3 minute gameplay : BlackCat9
  • Thank you. : Finestaut
  • no way, any epic rpg should be completely and succinctly summarized in 3 minutes of gameplay footage : dirge23
  • but we all know it sucks anyway and is just Oblivion with a dog and some guns so why not point out everyt... : DinK
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    The presentation is their time to shine infront of everyone. Just like any other product being shown to ... : Nighteyes
    • You mean from what hardcore fans saw, it was underwhelming. I can't help but think their presentation wi... : DinK
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    For an E3 presentation of one of the most anticipated games in development, they should be showing more t... : Modica Sol Solis
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      A lot of the things that make RPGs great can't be shown in five or even thirty minutes. Moral choices;... : EvilDolemite
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        I dunno, I think they coulda showed a minute or two of dialogue and the options that the character is pre... : Modica Sol Solis
        • they are probably ashamed of the dialogue system after playing mass effect :( : pyide
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          Then everybody would have complained about that as well, lol. : jane911
          • Oh god the whole game is talking!?! WTF! : DarkWolf5
      • I hope they release a demo. That's what sold me on the 1st Fallout : mista mista
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    Well that suck, we all know what best weapon in the game is. Nuke Launcher. : / : DM7
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      Wait, how do you know? : crummynz
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        I dare you to come up with something cooler. : Finestaut
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          A nuke launcher launcher. : crummynz
          • I've read that you can Load the nuke launcher with things other than nukes. Like grenades, rocks, or ted : Finestaut
        • Dogmeat learns the ability to bark bees. : DarkWolf5
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    I don't doubt the game will be awesome. I just think it was a really poor presentation. For the first foo... : SockMonkeh
    • will there be hands on demos & direct feed videos of the actual game @ E3, or is this all we are going to... : pyide
• fallout 3 dog vs fable dog : Foxhawk
• Looks better than I expected out of Bethesda but the animation is still pisspoor :( : Modica Sol Solis
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  SockMonkeh, what happened to your inf? :[ : CrustaR
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    The Man took it away from me. : SockMonkeh
    • The Man Giveth and The Man Taketh Away. : windowpane
• this looks like evrything i hoepd it would, i seriously can not wait until i can get my hands on it. : shavenewok

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  I think the combination of Oblivion, guns, and a post-apocalyptic world are a recipe for awesomeness. I : Horn
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    I played Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics when they were new. I loved them but the actual combat in 1 & 2 weren't... : baron calamity
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      wat. : xlarti
      • It's true. There is nothing to the combat in the Fallout games. : SockMonkeh
• Thanks for ruining Monday! : re-verse
• Good! Wouldn't want it any other way. : baron calamity
• fuck this game : oHnOES
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  I have no problem with that. : dirge23
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    Lest we forget: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/elderscrolls4oblivion?q=oblivion : dirge23
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      That's like saying Deer Hunter is pure awesome because all the rednecks think it's great. : Matt Burris
      • Except not at all - silly post. : Milleh
      • I like Oblivion. I like Fallout. I will probably like this game. Plus, also, it's not like Metacritic ... : dumb.
    • http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/elderscrolls4oblivion?q=Elder%20Scrolls%20IV:%20Oblivion,%20... : Hoax
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    Most people probably won't. However those of us who you know....wanted a Fallout sequel kind of do. : avatar_58
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      We are getting a Fallout sequel with 2008 game play. : baron calamity
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        2008 2006 : oHnOES
        • They've made improvement. : baron calamity
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        Yeah Oblivion felt so modern to me. How could I have been in the dark before? All games should have canne... : avatar_58
        • These are not the elements of Oblivion that the article refers to, though. : dirge23
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          assuming you read the rest of the article you'd have noticed they have hand crafted everything and won't ... : derelict515
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            No one mentioned Oblivion's prefabs in previews either. He also said he didn't play much of the game. In ... : avatar_58
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              they explicitly mentioned there is no procedural generation in FO3 and its all hand crafted. If you want ... : derelict515
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                Fine let's bet shall we? I'm willing to bet the dungeons will be just as canned as Oblivion. Let's wait a... : avatar_58
                • Fallout 3 is about the little details, and they're everywhere. While much of Oblivion was generated proce : dirge23
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                  why would I make a bet against your arbitrary feelings which quite often hate what are otherwise well rec... : derelict515
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                    "quite often hate what are otherwise well received games" Name some. I don't judge games based on thei... : avatar_58
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                      Point is: you're in the minority opinion re Oblivion/Bethesda. Most people considered Oblivion to be of e... : dirge23
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                        Ergo I'm wrong? So minority = wrong? I'm blown away by the fact that people will continue to quote Bethes... : avatar_58
                        • No, once again reading things that aren't there. He said you're in the minority, not that you're wrong. Y... : derelict515
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                          No, you're not wrong, but you have to understand that lots of people will welcome a Fallout game that is ... : dirge23
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                            All I can say is if it has level scaling like Oblivion, I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. What a horr... : Toth21
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                              There. Is. No. Level. Scaling. This has been repeated multiple times. : Arcanum
                              • I have not read previews, thats why I said if. I will reserve any judgment until its out and I read revie... : Toth21
                • You're wrong. : lplasmatron
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        isnt fallout3 turnbased?? : feek
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          it's a turnbased/realtime hybrid kind of deal. I'm looking forward to it, since if there are little weak... : DinK
          • so that's very different gameplay compared to oblivion : feek
      • Sadly Fallout is still more fun than nearly anything else in the last 10 years as far as RPGs go. So I'd ... : zakazi
      • There are still those of us who are waiting for Zelda to return to its roots as far as game play goes. ... : Grumbeld
    • Just because it's like Oblivion in some ways doesn't mean it won't feel like Fallout too. : dirge23
  • same here. : -=kodiak=-
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  IGN... : lplasmatron
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    The word of the day is "hyperbole". It's an open world game, but it's not Oblivion. : lplasmatron
    • Yeah like you would know. Actually, your response is the only one in this thread thats worth reading ;) : trOmblyj
    • Your posts always give me hope. =D : zakazi
    • i think if anyone we should listen to this guy since he's the only one of us who has actually SEEN it : eeeealmo
  • That's kind of what I'm thinking haha : tomservo
  • Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't played more than 5 minutes of Fallout or Oblivion. : SockMonkeh
  • Always liked the adage, you can't spell Ignorant without IGN. : breadsticks
• But I like Oblivion. : hoov1185
• works for me : red2lucas
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  fuck, i dislike elder scrolls : filthysock
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    oh shi "So if you didn't like that game, or the series for that matter, then ignore everything I've said ... : filthysock
    • I guess you missed "or western RPGs in general." This author clearly loved oblivion and is expecting R... : DinK
• So, endless amount of randomized dungeons with the last main chest rewards you with half used torches? Ni... : Nighteyes
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  "Even the inventory system and interface is taken right out of the last Elder Scrolls, so there should be... : Hoax
  • No, hence why I posted it. : avatar_58
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    maybe it's not finalized? : feek
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      the game comes out in like a month : aeg1x
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        not so much : derelict515
        • i am expecting it to slip till next spring, at least : dirge23
      • whoa really? i've last track of time. : feek
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        Due out in October. its July, or last I check. : baron calamity
        • No it isn't, Mr. Winkle. : ifallible
    • doubt it, because its for the console folks. they had the chance to change it for oblivion too and didn't... : Hoax
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    I played it on pc but the interface was fine. I don't know if they screwed it up on the ps3 or 360 versio... : baron calamity
    • It needed refinement (especially when you're carrying a shitload of stuff), but I don't think it was anyw... : hoov1185
• Fuck. : Crimsonbeak
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  I have never played a Fallout game :/ Story wise, will I be ok starting with 3? On a related noted - : humbleone
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    Fallout's story is just the world and what happened to it. So no, you don't need to play the originals fo... : avatar_58
    • thanks, good to hear : humbleone
    • I'm sure they'll explain the vault stuff in 3, but it would be sad to miss that stuff. : ifallible
  • noted note * : humbleone
  • PC, definitely. Oblivion looks substantially better on PC, and multiplayer is not a factor. : dirge23
  • Story wise you should be fine, but you might not appricate the world as much. I'm getting the pc version.... : baron calamity
• for a while the comments were perfectly alternating between "awesome" and "suck". : Lunaran
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  Ugh, I loathe the Elder Scrolls series. So far they've been one underwhelming bundle of disappointment af... : zakazi
  • Yep. I'm betting Fallout 3 will be amazing in terms of the look, feel and overall presentation in the fir... : avatar_58
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    Yes, the Elder Scrolls has been "one underwhelming bundle of disappointment after another." That's why... : Ebu
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      Right, which is why I put the last sentence about some people liking them. And you investment of time doe... : zakazi
      • and here I was trying to sum up how I felt about TES, and you did it all for me. : locater16
• I'm really excited for this game. Oblivion made me skip class for a week straight during my last semester... : zerog83
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  How about waiting for the game before judging. : razlebol
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    the fallout fanboys imo are being rather fucking retarded with the way they post around here about fallou... : -=kodiak=-
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      not really. All the time the devs have said "its not oblivion guys, its fallout!" and now the first previ... : filthysock
      • says the preview that played the game for a couple hours and scratched a self described 1% of the game : derelict515
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        you obviously havent paid attention to previous threads discussing fallout 3 it's like some people her... : -=kodiak=-
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          Yeah I was real happy for that new Leisure Suit Larry game too. I should just be happy no matter what seq... : avatar_58
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            how do you propose we get the FO2 team working on FO3? Since that's not possible you'd rather NO ONE try ... : derelict515
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              You got it. Just as I wouldn't want a King's Quest made by John Carmack. Also I laugh at the fact that yo... : avatar_58
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                where did I say I think Bethesda is the only one who could do Fallout justice? Do you just read whatever ... : derelict515
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                  Then why do you say I'd rather there be no Fallout 3? As if Bethesda saved the day by grabbing the IP? It... : avatar_58
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                    I said in lieu of the original team doing it you'd rather never see another Fallout game? that was the qu... : derelict515
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                      Fair enough, but it seems some people are already fawning over it given the same information that makes m... : avatar_58
                      • There are plenty of people with tempered enthusiasm here. There are plenty of people who loved the shit o... : derelict515
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          People seem to be mad that Fallout 3 is not Fallout 2. : dirge23
          • well what really gets me, is that a lot of people are not even giving this game a chance due to their exp... : -=kodiak=-
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      We can't be as optimistic as the Oblivion fanboys now can we? : avatar_58
      • Seriously, dude, what is your fucking problem? Just ignore the game. You've obviously decided that you... : Ebu
      • You're only allowed to hate Uwe Boll and Sony on the Shack, everything else you have to love or you're ju... : SenorSpine
    • I'm not a Fallout Fanboy I am someone who strongly dislikes Oblivion. : Crimsonbeak
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      Well look, I consider Fallout 2 _the_ best RPG ever. One of the best games in general ever, if not the be... : ramshot
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        I love Fallout as much as anyone, I waited years for the original after reading a preview in PCGamer, but... : derelict515
        • Still better than Oblivion though, because everything had a purpose and a soul in Fallout (well nearly). : spdon
        • Well it's not "a memory" as I still play FO2 at least once a year for several days. I just don't agree wi... : ramshot
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        I have no idea what you're talking about regarding limitations in the engine and rulesets. Do you honest... : DinK
        • I could have been a bit more careful with my selection of terms. Short version of what I meant: I don'... : ramshot
    • Just ask this, would the Oblivion/TES fans be freaking out if the old Black Isle crew was making the next... : zakazi
  • Like that will ever happen. : baron calamity
  • Yea, seriously, a lot of these posts are really really REALLY silly. : Milleh
• my precious.... : m0rfus
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  "Even the inventory system and interface is taken right out of the last Elder Scrolls, so there should be : tomservo
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    It was better than Mass Effect's inventory system. : baron calamity
    • Was it? This I gotta see... : tomservo
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      Actually it's exactly the same - a text list. : avatar_58
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        Yeah but the list scrolls faster and is sortable. It's not all just lumped together in one convoluted lau... : hoov1185
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          Eh? Mass Effect was sorted. You had the same category based system as Oblivion. Unless you are referring ... : avatar_58
          • Yeah the 360 version - sorry mentioned it in my other post. : hoov1185
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      I couldn't believe ME didn't have a page up and page down button (on the 360 at least). I had to scroll t... : hoov1185
      • And the least powerful items were always on the bottom because of the default sorting, so when your inven... : slickdoody
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    Oh wait. Invisible War's inventory system still wins as the worst ever. : tomservo
    • I think calling it a "system" is a bit generous. : DonkeyPopsicle
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  FUCK. I hope this is not true. Oblivion I think has too many flaws to be considered a great game. Chi... : kainen1
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    the world of FO3 is smaller than Oblivion's but has more content and its all hand crafted rather than pro... : derelict515
    • All true. : lplasmatron
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      Actually apparently it scales when you enter. Just like Mass Effect. In other words you can and will be s... : avatar_58
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        Not sure where you read that. : lplasmatron
        • If I'm wrong then I'm glad, and thanks for saying so. : avatar_58
        • is there still any scaling at all? : JINKY
        • I've seen it posted several places...I guess it was taken from some interview where the dude mentioned th... : Vincent Grayson
      • there is no level scaling, it has been stated numerous times by the developers (like the post above me fo... : derelict515
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    I never liked level scaling. A wolf should have the same hp at the beginning of the game as it has at th... : riptyde
    • It sounds like there is still some scaling but it's quite different from the mess that was Oblivion ht... : Horn
    • Wolves and other wildlife didn't scale in Oblivion. A lot of the other stuff did, though, especially hum... : Arcanum
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  You guys might be reading too much into this. The author is clearly a big Oblivion fan, so he thinks he'... : DinK
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    Stop being rational! This is THE SHACK!!!!!!!! : Totenjaeger
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      Quick, give me something to complain about. : DinK
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        Deus Ex Invisible War : tomservo
        • The Shack? This..is..THE INTERNET!! : Lord Skellington
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          What's that? Sounds like a nerdy mixed drink or something. : DinK
          • IM SWALLOWING NANITES : tomservo
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        Chicks without dicks. : Salad Sammich
        • www.shackpics.com will prove you wrong. : m0rfus
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        Midiclorians. ... Go! : Totenjaeger
        • Hopefully just a mistranslation for the Tatooine juvenile AIDS : DinK
      • To Youtube! : ifallible
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      As much as this gets brought up, the Shack seems more rational in general compared to a lot of forums, li... : baron calamity
      • There is still a large dose of GAMER COMPLAINER here. Really annoying. : rasputinreborn
• Oblivion with guns ... AWESOME :D : forktaileddevil
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  good because Oblivion was awesome, I love all the fallout fanboys getting pissed over this it is great. : gmd
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    The "fallout boys" as it were. : Omaha
    • perfect ! : gmd
  • Yeah it's funny, but really everybody should be a fallout fanboy. The games are too good. Some people t... : DinK
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    I more enjoy the Oblivion fanboys and non-rpg fans walking in and pretending they know how a Fallout sequ... : avatar_58
    • it is like when FPS games went from sprites to polygons, HOW DARE THEY : gmd
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      I don't think anybody is saying they know how the game should be made, except maybe for the vocal people ... : DinK
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        "except maybe for the vocal people who want it exactly like the other games" No one wants this. Everyo... : avatar_58
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          except they're not basing it off Oblivion, they're just using the same engine and learning from their pre... : derelict515
          • Thats what we assumed, however with each preview it's sounding more and more like Oblivion with guns desp... : avatar_58
        • I think most first person "action RPGs" would be far worse choices than Oblivion. TES IMO is one of the ... : DinK
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        The thing that absolutely has to be there is the mood and the black humor of Fallout (particularly Fallou... : dirge23
        • funny polygons take longer to rasterize : Omaha
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          I'm more concerned with the fact that most screenshots depict action. There are a few exceptions that I l... : avatar_58
          • you can't capture character interaction in a screenshot. also, that gets you into spoiler territory : dirge23
          • they can't please everyone. They put the game in first person and think 'oh god everyone is going to be p... : derelict515
        • Agreed 100%. This game is going to be really hard to get a feel for before playing it. : DinK
    • they don't, but you do! : derelict515
    • hahahahahaha : Milleh
  • This is not awesome. Why didn't they let a dev who wants to keep it like the other games and not mod the... : melkore
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  This makes me sad because there was so much wrong in Oblivion. I mean shit, the inventory system and int... : Matt Burris
  • If they fix the stuff that was wrong with oblivion's world and get the Fallout stuff right, I don't care ... : DinK
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  Why is everyone shitting all over Oblivion now? Did we forget the daily dedicated chatties for 2+ weeks? : feek
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    It's the shack, thats how it works. go all crazy for the game, then later on everyone decides it sucks a... : jonin
    • true; although I think there's an explanation there were a lot of good elements in the game and I got ... : Shai-Tan
  • I think it is really only like 2-3 people bitching. : gmd
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    Part of the problem is when you say Fallout 3, people got it in their heads that it must be an over head ... : baron calamity
    • Haha. Yeah that's lols x50 compared with people worrying about Fallout changes. : DinK
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      Actually that has very little to do with it. People want a turnbased game, but everyone knew that wasn't ... : avatar_58
      • Because surely they will learn nothing from Oblivion and will remake the game in FO3. : Ebu
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      I'm getting really tired of hearing this from people who think they know what's going. Fallout created... : walker270
      • I've been following Fallout when it was still a GURPS game. I know what is going on. . What gave Fallout ... : baron calamity
      • I think 10 years of advancement in technology hurts the soulful living world thing, rather than helping i... : DinK
    • I love you but that's such a shitty analogy. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    Because people love to point out when things are "flawed." They play for 50 hours straight then look bac... : DinK
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      I think mostly it's because people wanted a game that took advantage of the PC instead of the console, an... : Matt Burris
      • ^^^ This : avatar_58
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        blaming Oblivions flaws on the fact that it came out for the 360 as well as PC is foolish and completely ... : derelict515
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          There's been numerous interviews with Pete Hines and Todd Howard of Bethesda before and after the game ca... : Matt Burris
          • Maybe they decided those skills were superfluous and better left consolidated rather than make you grind ... : derelict515
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    I always felt oblivion was somewhat mediocre - certain parts were OUTSTANDING (dark brotherhood, thieves'... : veras
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      I had the unfortunate luck of doing both those questlines only a few hours into the game. "This is defini... : avatar_58
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        How quickly can you do those two? My first character had 80+ hours before the expansion and the Thieves'... : DinK
        • I think I was an extremely low level, because stealing meant something. Every new item I stole I wore. I ... : avatar_58
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      I still haven't done those quest lines (I played a good char) and I still loved the game and still love i... : nudel
      • That's fine, different people like different things :) Just how I felt! : veras
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        You've gotta gear up for another playthrough then. Not only are those quest lines most people's favorite... : DinK
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          Only 2 parts of the game worth a damn honestly. Everything else seemed to be there just to be there. : Crimsonbeak
          • including all the other factions and the smaller side quests? : DinK
        • I never did those either. I keep meaning to go back and try but never do. : baron calamity
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      Go in to the exact same Hell level for the 7th time to get the same damn orb and kill the same damn enemi... : Crimsonbeak
      • The main quest in Oblivion was the weakest part of the game in my opinion. I think I did two gates and t... : Horn
      • Thats what I did until I got even more fed up and only did the main quest gates. I lost a lot of those ge... : avatar_58
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      It didn't really keep me interested long enough to get that far. I just didn't enjoy the combat system, t... : FlatlineDixay
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        You didn't know where to go? But people complained and even made mods to remove the stuff where it point... : DinK
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          Well, maybe if the game was better, there wouldn't be a million mods required to make it playable. : FlatlineDixay
          • Huh? You replied as if I said the opposite of what I said. You had a problem with not knowing where to ... : DinK
  • vocal minority of 5 people or so out of a couple hundred, rest of us know we enjoyed it and are tired of ... : kelerian
  • I loved Oblivion, but I sure as hell don't want Fallout 3 to be like that. The Fallout series were comple... : aaarrrgh
  • Oblivion is awesome, but it's not what we want Fallout 3 to be. : Rice-Rocketeer
• sounds fine to me : jonin
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  Sounds great to me. : chazums
  • apart from "Even the inventory system and interface is taken right out of the last Elder Scrolls" : chazums
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    hi chazums. You missed out on some epic rockbanding! : marmite
    • I can only imagine :( Where are the pics? : chazums
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  I heard something that worried me - charisma and intelligence won't affect dialogue in the game? : SpaecKow
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    Where'd you hear this? : DinK
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      i read that too but I don't remember where. Thats one thing I will miss. I loved playing a stupid persion... : baron calamity
      • I guess I wouldn't find it too hard to believe. If everything is voice acted, then I could see the decis... : DinK
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      Well on NMA, but I can't find any evidence of it. ARe they just mad? They're probably just mad. : SpaecKow
      • As long as we don't have that godawful conversation minigame from Oblivion. : avatar_58
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    Wouldn't surprise me. Bethesda cut out many skills and character traits in Oblivion to make it more "mai... : Matt Burris
    • durka durka : derelict515
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    I believe I heard you won't be able to have a grunting character with <3 INT (and who cares? it was funny... : derelict515
    • Well as I see it the reason for it's existence is making sure only smarter characters can talk their way ... : avatar_58
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      /In Fallout 1 and 2 there was very little for a smart or charismatic character to do.]/ No that's NWN... : SpaecKow
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        Can you finish the mutant area in Fallout 1 like this though? I tried to talk my way out of it but those ... : avatar_58
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          It's been a little while but I believe you could submit to them and the Lieutenant and get taken straight : derelict515
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            That's how it works, though its not as simple as that, if you're not smart enough you just get dipped in : SpaecKow
            • yeah, that's why I couldn't remember if it was possible, because I've definitely had that happen. Alterna : derelict515
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        I meant from a skills/items type standpoint. A combat character had tons of stats, skills and items to pl... : derelict515
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          Oh, yes, yes that's true. Though they did allow for a lot of stuff that non-coms could do in a wider sens... : SpaecKow
          • yeah, it was just often a little too specialized. Computers and Science were each extremely useful at cer... : derelict515
  • ?! I hope that's not true. That's one of the best things about the FO games' gameplay. Being able to talk... : zakazi
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    There was a Charisma stat shown in a recent screenshot so it's safe to assume it will affect what you can... : nudel
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      Sorry, it's called Speech rather than Charisma: http://www.shacknews.com/screenshots.x?gallery=10190&g... : nudel
      • That's the Speech skill. There's also a Charisma stat (the "C" in the "S.P.E.C.I.A.L." system). : Arcanum
    • in FO1+2 it was mostly used to carry more NPCs in your party at once. INT and to a much greater degree yo... : derelict515
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  You must be the sharp-shooter of Kvatch! : baconisgod
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    By Arroyo, By Arroyo, By Arroyo! It's the grand champion! : guido anchovy
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      I hear the Slaver's Guild is recruiting. Good work, if you've got the Sulik for it. : Majuju
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        Look at the guns on you. : Totenjaeger
        • Hey, it's Arnold Swollenhammer! I've got your blow up doll! : Totenjaeger
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  Meh, this game fell off my radar a while back. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised by it, but it isn't really... : phate81
  • I love post apocalyptic stuff and am looking forward to Clear Skies but I also want a real RPG in that se... : derelict515
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  No, what really makes Fallout 3's combat so badass is the creativity that Bethesda has worked into the ba : stgulik
  • Nice. Here's hoping there's awesome configurability and humor like that with a lot of the weapons. : DinK
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  I was hoping they'd take more cues from Vampire: Bloodlines. : Rag and Bone Man
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    Playing through Arcanum and having finished Bloodlines I'm really pissed at what happened to Troika. :( I... : avatar_58
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      I haven't had a chance to play Arcanum, but Bloodlines is one of my favorite games of all time. Even tho... : Rag and Bone Man
      • I loved Arcanum. Played through it 6 times. Never could get into Bloodlines. : baron calamity
      • Whoever decided to release Bloodlines around the same time as Half Life 2 really needs to be shot. : phate81
      • Arcanum has a metric shit-ton of flaws, but it's still a great game. I didn't play bloodlines, but I've ... : Finestaut
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        Yet, by many people's accounts here on Shacknews, you can't release a modern FPS RPG and have it function... : jayacheess
        • what? : derelict515
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          I think a lot of us had strong reservations about Oblivion, and are understandably cautious about seeing ... : Finestaut
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            See, I thought Oblivion did a great job with the atmosphere. It felt like it could be a real place, in p... : Arcanum
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              For me a lot of that was generated by dialogue, universe fiction and so forth. In that regard Oblivion wa... : SpaecKow
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                Cyrrodil has huge quantities of universe fiction. For starters, every single book in the game has a stor... : Arcanum
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                  And its all written horribly! : SpaecKow
                  • Eh? Most of it seemed fine to me. : Arcanum
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                  the majority of the mythology shouldn't be communicated through silly books : derelict515
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                    If most of it doesn't really matter to the completion of the story, why not? It's no different than the ... : Arcanum
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                      its the ratio that I thought was off as well as how close they were to the main story. Fallout's tapes we... : derelict515
                      • Oblivion definitely had a good number of "The History of Elvenkind"-type books, but it also had stuff mor... : Arcanum
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              I see where you're coming from, but I have to disagree. For me, every major dungeon type felt cool and a... : Finestaut
              • Oblivion's atmosphere was to be found on the overworld and in the cities, not in the stupid dungeons. : DinK
      • I fucking loved Bloodlines. I have fond memories of playing my Malkavian who sported a huge fucking Cat ... : Penis Brittle
• i heard they are working on Fallout 3. : jackalope
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  I enjoyed Oblivion, I enjoyed Morrowind, but there are some seriously fucking stupid people in this threa... : spdon
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    Everything good in Fallout is exactly what everything bad was in TES. I actually disagree with this so... : Arcanum
    • I'm not sure there was much of a detailed history in Fallout, this was more conveyed through the main sto... : spdon
    • Come again? Oblivion's environments were pretty, but the world itself lacked depth and character. After... : walker270
    • Since it's being directed by the guy in charge of the Dark Brotherhood quests I did not know this. Tha... : zakazi
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  So it has bland characters no one could ever give a shit about? I hope the guys who made the Thieves' Gui... : Magus
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    IIRC, the guy who designed the Dark Brotherhood stuff is in charge of designing Fallout 3. : Arcanum
    • I recall correctly and you are correct. : SockMonkeh
    • ok I just came all over everything everywhere sorry about that : Draugluin
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    you'll be happy to hear this then http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16553693 : derelict515
    • LOL http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16554654#itemanchor_16554654 I have a short memory, I guess. : Magus
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    Whenever I read a post like this, I feel like I've been robbed. When I played through Oblivion, I did it... : Finestaut
    • You've been robbed. The DB questline were far and away the best set of quests in Oblivion. : xsoulbrothax
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  Please please please put a better inventory system in! : Trips
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    I agree, since Fallout had a horrible inventory system see what I did there? : derelict515
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      FO's system was bad but it was fuckin better on the PC then Oblivions. : SpaecKow
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        Oblivion's inventory system sucked on consoles as well. It wasn't a PC vs console thing, it was a fucking... : nudel
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          What's wrong with a Diablo-esque inventory? http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-pirates5/diablo2.... : Trips
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            there's nothing preventing someone from doing an inventory like that on a console. : derelict515
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              Yeah, RE4 had one didn't it? But that just proves why you can't - it's convoluted and cumbersome and crap... : SpaecKow
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                yeah, I agree, the problem that Morrowind and Oblivion had was those single slot icons were way too small... : derelict515
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                  Yeah, well the way you solve that is by just not fucking having that many items - I mean who wants to sor... : SpaecKow
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                    Are you saying that people shouldn't carry around so much shit, or are you complaining that the game let ... : Arcanum
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                      I think one of the problems is that the game actually fed you shit. Randomized loot meant that you often... : Finestaut
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                        Based on what they've been saying, they're doing away with most or all the randomized stuff in Fallout 3.... : Arcanum
                        • I've heard the same things. I'm not saying I think fallout 3 is going to suck, I'm just saying there's a... : Finestaut
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                      I'm saying developers shouldn't design their games around the idea of players carrying hundreds of items.... : SpaecKow
                      • They shouldn't expect it? Isn't everybody complaining about how awful Oblivion's inventory system is whe : DinK
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            Diablo or WoW systems don't take strength into account for carrying ability. Carrying capacity is often ... : Arcanum
            • That's why you unlock extra slots. : SpaecKow
            • Use that inventory system but add a strength factor. Once you're full, you can't put more in. Pretty simp... : Trips
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            That kind of inventory won't work if you need to be able to carry hundreds of objects. Maybe the fact ... : nudel
            • I never said scale back anything. Just have multiple tabs for the amount of stuff you're carrying. Just l... : Trips
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        yeah, but I'd say that was partly due to the increased complexity in Oblivion. If Fallout had as many dif... : derelict515
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          What? No the reason Oblivions interface sucked is because doing even simple things like dropping an item ... : SpaecKow
          • it was horrible, but Fallout's was pretty bad too. A giant list you had to click through with no ability ... : derelict515
• Did you save your game in a brand new slot before posting this? : Daggoth
• You know this is getting old. Not necessarily targeted at you, but: Whenever someone mentions how F : EvilDolemite
• so basically it says the same map and inventory, but is different in most everything else? I can live wit... : thebigbeefsandwhich
• IT'S A FACT! : NastyJack
• why is this bad? Oblivion was a great game that everyone here loved. : edgewise
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  http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=17415376 I'll still end up buying the damn game anyway. : lightly inclined
  • Oooh, I hadn't seen that trailer yet! : Arcanum
• So, pretty much awesome? : filtersweep
• Perfect!! : FushigiDenki
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  FUCK THE FALLOUT FANBOYS. BRING ON FALLOUT 3. Part of me almost hopes they totally screw it up, just so t... : Jackass1233
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    They won't off themselves. They'll just start shouting "I TOLD YOU SO". Actually, they'll do that eve... : Arcanum
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      Even though I'm hopeful, I don't think there's any way in hell Fallout 3 is going to be pure awesome in l... : jayacheess
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        One of my favorite things in Fallout (and PS:T) was the descriptions given when investigating certain thi... : walker270
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          Then don't buy it, replay Fallout 2. : FushigiDenki
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            Hell, I'm buying it. I'm just sad at what could have been. : jayacheess
            • Same. I'm just sadden that my favorite part of those games is largely considered outdated because develo... : walker270
      • Of course it won't. You've already decided it's shit. When you play it, any time something good happens... : DinK
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    You're such an awesome shacker. Really, you are. I mean it. Totally not being sarcastic in any way. : walker270
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      Have you ever played Counterstrike Source with him? : lightly inclined
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        No. My understanding is CS:S tends to amplify very specific "characteristics" of an individual. If the ... : walker270
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          aww you are so cute. I too enjoy almost every one of your posts, considering how fucking retarded they ar... : Jackass1233
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            oh, I read some of your wonderful posts in this thread, no wonder you were so offended I coined the term ... : Jackass1233
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              "Yeah thats right, I just called fallout 1/2 old junk. In fact I played through both of them and thought ... : avatar_58
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                I enjoyed Oblivion quite a bit. If Fallout 3 is in fact Oblivion with guns, well then bring it on, ill be... : Jackass1233
                • Well if you want my personal opinion anyone who didn't enjoy Fallout 1 and 2 probably isn't a fan of the ... : avatar_58
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                  So... you're sitting there calling people idiots, faggots, fanboys, morons and whatever other insult you... : walker270
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                    I say just forget it. He's on the majority side unfortunately and people don't give a shit. Negative opin... : avatar_58
                    • Yeah, I came to that conclusion when he started complaining about the graphics of a game released in 1997... : walker270
                    • Its probably your best option. Your not going to convince me your right, and im not going to convince you... : Jackass1233
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              What the hell are you talking about? At most I've expressed concern over whether or not Bethesda can... : walker270
              • see my above post : Jackass1233
  • congratulations : Medium Heavy
• that sounds fine to me since, just like oblivion, if some aspect of the game design is shitty a modder wi... : smax
• I remain cautiously optimistic : Kaerof
• I love the Elder Scrolls series as much as anyone. I've spent a lot of time studying the lore out of ga... : ]aratex[
• I don't care. It's shipping with a lunchbox and a bobble head. FUCK THE HATERS. : DrZettl
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  I wrote a Fallout 3 preview in the latest issue* of PlayStation: The Official Magazine! Go read it! /sh... : David Craddock
  • I don't suppose there's an online version somewhere? : Arcanum
• IT'S THE HERO OF KLAMATH : Penis Brittle
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  It's gonna be great when this game comes out and the overwhelming majority of people, including those of ... : ColoradoCNC
  • :D that is more or less my own thought process so far. : xsoulbrothax
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    Dude yeah I'll enjoy the shit out of it, but still I can see how people would be upset. It's like making... : Penis Brittle
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      why don't we wait for the game to come out before we make analogies that involve 1/4 of the dialogue? : derelict515
      • GOD, FINE. You win. Suck the joy right out of my life :< : Penis Brittle
    • Also, they tend to release their shit with a ton of bugs/crashes. : Penis Brittle
    • Re: voice acting FFS Bethesda is the worst about this. How many more voice actors could they have hir... : walker270
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    I'll bet that this is going to be the ugliest game release in gaming history, so far. And I'm not talking... : Attica Blue
    • It's like a Blizzard release, those games always seem to evoke some sort of roaring, unfocused hatred in ... : Finestaut
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    i bitch about it a lot and i fucking hated oblivion but i'll probably end up liking it. this seems like a... : JINKY
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      wow, you really HATED it? I never played any of the previous Elder Scrolls installments, but (flaws put ... : humbleone
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        Why is it so hard to believe? Oblivion had a good 5-10 hours of gameplay when everything was still "ne... : walker270
        • I guess we have different definitions of hate as far as a game goes : humbleone
  • I like how it's okay to assume it's going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread and "hahahaha stoop... : avatar_58
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  FFFF : Lawgiver
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    Fallout Free Fucking Fails? : BingusLargus
    • I think he's referring to me coining the term "Fucking Fallout Fanboy Faggots" in an earlier post : Jackass1233
  • hahahahahaha yeeeeeeeeeees : Jackass1233
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    Fallout is For Fucking Fags... just kidding. : ifallible
    • ban : ifallible
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  will it have some type of multiplayer or co-op mode? : Nation
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    Nope. But these are the type of single-player games that give you bucketfuls of content and replayability... : carbontree
    • I disagree with you ... I loved Morrowind, I would have been playing Morrowind for years later if I could... : Nation
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    Never, ever, They don't "believe" in multiplayer for their games. : Visceral Monkey
    • yeah, I was hoping : Nation
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  Despite those quotes, and despite not really liking Oblivion, that preview really does have me excited fo... : Orange Pylon
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    You should hop off the internet if you can't handle differing opinions. : Matt Burris
    • Differing opinions are okay, especially since I don't really fall into either camp as far as this game go... : Orange Pylon
  • Also, I hope Bethesda does release mod tools for this game eventually, because a Classic Fallout mod coul... : Orange Pylon
• i'm sorry, but this game doesn't have enough color and rainbows, i will start an interweb petition immedi... : deviantpaul
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  Are people forgetting that people were saying oblivion sucked without user addons? Oblivion was a broken ... : mista mista
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    I think everyone is forgetting the Oblivion Love Fest that was rampant here when it came out. Can't you ... : trOmblyj
    • There were flamewars too. : Orange Pylon
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      that's every game with the shack. They always gush over how awesome a game is even if the game blows when... : mista mista
      • No, this was on a completely different level. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=41411 : Arcanum
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    How was it broken? That makes no sense. How did it get such good reviews. : dilutedq
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      AAA games always get good reviews. : walker270
      • oh please : derelict515
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        Like Assassin's Creed and Kane & Lynch? : nudel
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          Assassin's Creed was reviewed very well. I didn't think Kane & Lynch was considered "AAA." : walker270
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            Assassin's Creed had a weird pattern of reviews, both from players and review sites. Some people gave it... : Arcanum
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              Assassin's Creed was the ultimate "this game has extremely bland combat, poor story, pointless missions, ... : walker270
              • I think you're overstating the severity of the text of the reviews. A lot of people (myself included) th... : Arcanum
              • I disagree with you. AC was a bit repetitive, but it was fun doing it... and you weren't forced to do ev... : rasputinreborn
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        hahaha okay tin foil hat guy : Jackass1233
        • hmm.. odd post as it is fairly obvious that the standards of video game reviews is appalling, outside of ... : spdon
    • the damage system was all screwed up. That and I tried stealing in 3rd person for hours only to have a sh... : mista mista
    • Ummm... Lets see. If you go down to Hackdirt and Have the Brethren beat you senseless with weak ass clu... : Malku
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    There were problems, but it was far from broken. It sure as hell wasn't improved by cheap hacks like OOO... : filtersweep
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      cheap hacks? hundreds and hundreds of hand-tuned monster levels, new items, hand-placed items, several M... : ]pm[chem
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        Completely unbalanced, palette-swapped "new" monsters, terrible difficulty scaling, grindy, etc. It's a ... : filtersweep
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          man that is just lol, I guess OOO owned you. : ]pm[chem
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            I got owned how? By not having patience with terrible game design choices, derivative art, and superfici... : filtersweep
            • This is why I don't generally use "rebalance" mods in games. It's easier to assume that random dudes on ... : Arcanum
            • OOO made the game so much more fun. There became an actual point to exploring and adventuring, which it b... : spdon
  • agreed, oblivion sucked and was only playable with the OOO mod. : ]pm[chem
  • Worked great on 360. : FushigiDenki
  • No it wasn't, it was a fucking blast. Mods made it better, sure, but it was far from broken. : Vincent Grayson
  • Maybe if your problems with the game were related to those fixes. Mine were not. (Granted I only read the... : avatar_58
  • sigh. : rasputinreborn
• funny how you skipped the part where he called it more impressive than every other game that's come out t... : cdbeckman
• Now that just sounds freaking awesome :D : Malku
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  Is the PS3 version going to be released the same time as the 360 one? I couldn't find that info. : Nitrium
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    Yes - PS3, 360, and PC version are all coming out on the same day. : Sexpansion Pack
    • Oh yeah? Thanks for the info. : Nitrium
• I hope they've learned from past mistakes and are hiring a bunch of voice actors to do all of the charact... : ErikTehRed
• Of course they are going to invoke the name of a monster hit. : Fred Garvin
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  Oblivion with guns: Good Using the same shitty console interface: Bad. : Visceral Monkey
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    will that shit be moddable on the PC? The oblivion modders had the UI fixed inside of 2 hours of release... : RyDogg1
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      they said no mod tools on release, but the oblivion mods weren't done via tools anyway.. using the same e... : xsoulbrothax
      • er UI mods, i mean : xsoulbrothax
• i just hope they hired someone who knows how to animate properly. Morrowing and Oblivion's animation was ... : theWhite
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  Anyway after all the bitching and arguing, heres what the game looks like - http://www.gametrailers.co... : avatar_58
  • I got even more psyched after that video thats for sure. A lot of questions left still yep, but so far... : humbleone
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    I haven't heard anything about 'fast travel' of some sort but I haven't read everything (don't want to re... : derelict515
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      If Oblivion could have horses, Fallout 3 should have motorcycles, dammit. : dirge23
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        The reasoning I heard was that it worked in Oblivion because there were lots of wide open spaces where as... : derelict515
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          oh well, maybe fallout 4 : dirge23
          • Every game is better with Motorcycles. : Ebu
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      No vehicles? How will I live out my Mad Max fantasies? : Finestaut
      • You will need: 1. Leather Jacket 2. Dog 3. Handcuffs 4. Hacksaw 5. Some dude that pissed you ... : elwood00
    • there IS fast travel : zanzares
    • There's fast travel similar to that in Oblivion. : Arcanum
  • Re everyone shooting at him: The player did shoot first. The bandits (or maybe ghouls? or both?) were ... : Arcanum
• sounds good to me! : Jayx77
• Well then, I want it. : Lizilla
• oblivion's inventory interface kinda sucked though -- who gives a shit how familiar it is? : skryte
• I think the game looks awesome. I am excited that the game is being made into a 3d environment, that it i... : Warmaker
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  2 things - watch the HD trailer on the PS3 store! it looks MUCH better than the lowres version. its not n... : hirez
  • is this same trailer on xbl : JINKY
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  I've heard of a lot of whining about it, but I am pretty excited after the watching the videos. I think t... : taronish
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    all the anger is based on the idea that it won't be the same as the games from the 80's right? I find it... : hamachi
    • Yes, i try to ignore those guys. The fallout series had some brilliant moments, and great atmosphere, but... : taronish
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      There are two sources of anger. One is just stupid "wahhh, it'll be different" anger. Yes, it will be... : Arcanum
      • that makes sense to me. but I don't have any stake in this. I'll wait for a shack review or 8 before ... : hamachi
    • from the 80's l o l : JINKY
• No shit : locater16
• well crap this went from MUST BUY to wait and see. The mods were the only thing that got me to play that ... : cap n KRUNCH
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  well, this is just the way things are going. it's really sad to see games become so console-ified :( : Medium Heavy
  • ugh. :( i can't stop watching and feeling bad. this looks like post-apoc oblivion if oblivion were made f... : Medium Heavy
• It looks like Deus Ex combat. This is a good thing for me cause I like Deus Ex combat, but I can understa... : SpaecKow

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  so you're re-leveling and re-gearing just for some racials? ouch : electroly
  • p.s. racist : electroly
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    It's racials PLUS looking more awesome. : FlatlineDixay
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      the only benefit taurens have is being able to block the mailbox with their stupid fat kodo mounts : electroly
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        those assholes on dragons blocking the pvp npc's in shatt enrage me. i am often enraged by them. r... : xxiv
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          I've learned to Ctrl-V :-) I also do this for quest turn-ins. The other day I accidentally attacked an ... : electroly
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            which is probably exactly why he was standing there >=[ : xxiv
            • Yeah, I later learned that they do this on purpose. Jerks. : electroly
            • Every tauren in the guild + Winterwall Firewater = happy times on the island. People are fucking retar... : fleabug
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      Tauren look more awesome as warriors? Orcs with their over sized shoulders look ridiculously awesome. I'd... : jayacheess
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        Orcs are the dwarves of the horde. : FlatlineDixay
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          you misspelled trolls : electroly
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            I was going more for the short and fat angle, but trolls are pretty unpopular too. : FlatlineDixay
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              psh, trolls are the alpha-race of azeroth : zebrigazi
              • trolls don't even get their own capital city, they have to share orgrimmar with the orcs : electroly
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        Evidence: Orc: http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1522/wowscrnshot071107140846zg0.jpg / http://www.war... : FlatlineDixay
        • I dunno, with that much gear on, I'd be hard pressed to even tell the difference. They're both pretty hu... : electroly
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          So you pick an Orc screenshot with the shoulder armor bug that makes them tiny, and the second screenshot... : jayacheess
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            Is this more to your liking? http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3593/wowscrnshot070607171659fi9.jpg If... : FlatlineDixay
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              Still a miss matched set. =[ : jayacheess
              • Fine: http://transrapture.com/img/imback.jpg A long-legged beauty, to be sure. : FlatlineDixay
        • Those shoulders are tiny anyway(Gladiator). : devi| dog
    • Also, I originally rolled an orc because I was planning to PvP more, and the 30% stun resistance sounded ... : FlatlineDixay
    • I hope your night elf girlfriend thinks you look awesome too. : Skoal^Fyfan
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  a friend of mine has one of each class leveled to 70. Now THAT is too much WoW. : slickdoody
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    Leveling to 70 is just a small fraction of the time that your average raider spends playing. : gia-
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      she also raids with them all, 5 or 6 nights a week. : slickdoody
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        she's not hot, is she. : Phil
        • is she hot, if not this whole sub-thread is irrelevant! : lightly inclined
        • she raids 6 nights a week phil, what do you think : electroly
        • wtf, go to hell, phil. : lightly inclined
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          hot? no. Attractive? Yes. Also, married to the guy with all but 1 or 2 exalted factions. : slickdoody
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            joan? : xxiv
            • wait that's waerjack, he's married? i don't know shit about gcr's personal lives except a couple people. : xxiv
            • no, a guy at work that's not in gcr. : slickdoody
          • Married to Waerjack? : acidnynex
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            warla? : AllYourBase
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              http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Dragonmaw&n=Warla exalted with steamwheedle AND fr... : AllYourBase
              • Haha, why the hate for the Darkmoon Fair? : stonedonkey
              • holy shit, that is insane. just.... wow. : electroly
              • no, this guy is exalted with steamwheedle and REVERED with bloodsail http://www.wowarmory.com/characte... : slickdoody
        • Leave it alone Phil, she probably has a penis : jbury
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    I'm struggling hitting 62. Coming from EQ2 to this is such a change. Gaining about 2 - 3% of exp per qu... : valael
    • It's so funny to hear this since I played EQ2 at launch, which was a somewhat painful grind back then. Ha... : Modica Sol Solis
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  I was thinking of starting a charcter and level them only with Grays... and then play BG's in only Gray g... : stonedonkey
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    You could level it normally and just put on grays later! You could even make a YouTube clip of you lev... : FlatlineDixay
    • Yea.. if i was going to do that,I could just take one of my 70s and deck them in 70 greys though :) : stonedonkey
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  You take that back you overgrown cow. Orc Warriors saved your lives from a bunch of horse people in WC3, : DM7
  • haha, I was gonna say the op never played with you if he thinks orc warriors suck. : DapperDan
  • correct. orc > tauren!! : AMikaboshi
  • Taurens would've handled it eventually. Once all their herb ran out. : FlatlineDixay
• I had 3 level 70s... two had Epic Netherdrake mounts... my third level 70 had an Epic flying mount (never... : stelth
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  That's how you know that you're way too anal, the difference is really trivial. : Zek
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    Maybe! But when you're tanking high-end stuff, it adds up to like an extra 100 stamina, which isn't tr... : FlatlineDixay
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      Warstomp sucks since they gave it a .5 second cast time. AP with Blood Fury and Expertise with Axes is g... : kek
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        But I'm tired of having to favor axes. I tank with a blacksmithing axe because I can't find a decent tank... : FlatlineDixay
        • Then don't use an axe, damn man. I'd say the odds of that loss of expertise causing your group to wipe a... : Zek
        • Ehh, Warbringer is actually pretty decent as far as tank axes go. It's less about mitigation and damage ... : fleabug
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      As a tank you will pretty much never use warstomp and while the hp is nice you don't need it in the sligh... : Chod
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        Oh yeah don't forget you'll need to use deviate delights on certain boss fights since the tauren model is... : Chod
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          Which bosses? : FlatlineDixay
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            Vashj was one. Tauren warriors could tank the strider without being feared. : walker270
            • Sorta. With lag and such considered, it wasn't really an option. Better to just have your warlock do it. : the_burd
  • It may sound trivial to the casual player, but it's really not. When you're playing at the high end it's ... : Ellissd
• I have a level 70 Orc Warrior Scarab Lord, and relevelled a Tauren one anyway (who I just got glad on in ... : veras
• F the haters WARSTOMP FTW : kanix
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  That's nothing. I know someone who has 2 Night Elf Hunter lvl 70. He rerolled to change his face I think. : mnok
  • i've heard from my insider sources that in wotlk there will be a Plastic Surgeon profession where, at gre... : electroly
  • I think you'll be able to change that kind of stuff in WotLK, in the "barbershop". I opened a ticket ... : FlatlineDixay
• Why not just roll a feral tauren dr00d? : Vincenoir
• Playing WoW is better when you're not arbitrarily invulnerable to damage. : vikramwillrock
• Are you talking shit about Rustblade? : slax0r
• Why, the 5% health buff? Not worth it. Orcs get stun resist and can still tank anything, the 5% health bu... : node
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  haha, orcs aren't crappy warriors at all. that is ridiculous also taurens are actually worse in pvp be... : JINKY
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    Tauren warriors get an advantage in pvp with the increased hitbox, they can hit people around pillars far... : jlavrenz
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      i am pretty t/o'd that they are giving hunters "hide" in wotlk. i'm a dumb old night elf for nothing now : JINKY
      • It's more like the Mage Invisibility thing it seems, not true stealth and 5 min CD. General concensus is ... : node
      • Don't worry you can still abuse your bullshit shadowmeld+drink every 10 seconds. The hunter talent (that... : jlavrenz
    • No use in raiding, but war stomp is fucking awesome when you're leveling a tauren drood. i <3 mine so muc... : node
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  I could barely level a 70 in WoW; just getting there was too monotonous, but I'm currently working on my ... : Penis Brittle
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    in the back of my mind, there's always something that bothers me about the fact that Blizzard can create ... : electroly
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      like this season 4 stuff? just recolor some textures... increment all the stats numbers by 3-4... BAM! ... : electroly
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        It still amazes me that gear is what drives people in MMOs. : Tommy Toolbag
        • wow is one big virtual fashion show. : xxiv
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          why do people play Diablo after you beat normal? Its all about the gear grind : handofthrawn
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            its also where the actual difficulty kicks in : derelict515
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              It also takes a lot less time, and can be done solo. : Tommy Toolbag
              • All the gear you get could be traded or stored. I always liked leveling up a newcharacter knowing I had ... : qu1nton
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          Gear is the equivalent of leveling once you hit the cap in any EQ-style MMO, it's the only way to continu... : Zek
          • I understand that. I just don't see the appeal. : Tommy Toolbag
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      which is why i like the pvp approach. i'll raid shit that's on farm just for fun but progression...i'll n... : xxiv
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        I was in some epic AV battles yesterday. 100% offense, 0% defense. Just a total bloodbath in front of D... : electroly
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          Where's all that gold you said you were gonna send me! : Modica Sol Solis
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            you want some? i'll mail you tonight if you'd like. having to grind gold when leveling blows; it's so m... : electroly
            • sure :D : Modica Sol Solis
      • exact opposite. once its on farm its no longer fun, but tedious. killing new things is fun, getting sligh... : NexusOne
      • Running 10mans and doing PVP is more attractive these days with the introduction of welfare epics. Gear y... : Entity
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    I think the grind to 50 in daoc was more painful than getting to 60 in wow. However, the rvr grind to ... : fleabug
    • And then a week later you replaced it with 100% quality spellcrafted armor :P : Tommy Toolbag
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      DAoC's terrible PvE is what really killed the game. Not only was the level grind horribly slow and boring... : Zek
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        Thats so untrue its not funny. I used 2 artifacts on my mana eldritch, and both were very easy to obtain.... : Tommy Toolbag
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          There isn't any way in hell you can argue that TOA made DAOC jump the shark. When TOA was first impleme... : erebus
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            just to pvp i meant :) : erebus
            • Jump the shark. That doesnt even make sense. At any rate, artifacts werent necessary at all to be effecti... : Tommy Toolbag
  • I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but your "same thing with WoTLK and Arena Season 1" is prett... : Medium Heavy
• we all play too much wow, it's inevitable. i have a lvl 70 druid and a lvl 33 hunter (started because i w... : arcane_
• I did this, but with a Troll mage. =\ I cry every time I see him in my Character list. (Made an Undead ma... : Jiven
• Bah, I MT'd for GCR for half a year as an Orc. Maybe that's why we sucked though. : boarder2
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  If you are having fun so what? If I still had all my characters I would have 3 hunters and 3 priests : ghost in my shell
  • I wouldn't say leveling is "fun", because my mind is oddly attracted to it for some reason. If not for th... : FlatlineDixay
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  People can call them goofy looking cows until the, well, cows come home; but a well geared tauren is the ... : Entity
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    Apparently you got so epic with your gear you can fly into space at will? o_o : DM7
    • It reminds me of one of the background options for an 80's elementary school picture session. : Wombat Woo
  • Dunno, he looks kinda smug! : lightly inclined
• my friend has a 70 warrior, mage AND shaman. now he's leveling a lock. wtf? as for me, i have a 70 loc... : reverend~heresy