Video Teases GTA 4 Animation Technology

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• but wheres the fun in shooting a "normal" walking person, its much more fun to beat drunks and disabled p... : haritori
• Yeah they definitely looked drunk. Kinda weird. : jigstah

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  What does your buddy do at LucasArts? : SockMonkeh
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    I wish I had a buddy at LucasArts. :-( : Jobos
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      I wish Lucas was my buddy... :-( : ShadowRam
      • of Arts? : azuvatar
  • animator : holbroal
• My buddy over on the internet says otherwise. : two50six
• Admit it, you really have no buddies. : dlr(2)
• My buddie at Luacs arts says your a lier and my buddie at Rockstar says your a wimp and my Buddie at MI5 ... : haritori
• Makes sense, sounds like a smart way to handle the evolution of this technique. : Wierdo-X

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• Valid point. It has been a busy few hours here at Shack Indiana HQ! : Chris Faylor
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  I cannot wait for this game, finally a real next gen football game : derelict515
  • NO! YOU HAVE TO GET THE SEMANTICS RIGHT! IT'S "CURRENT GENERATION"! : deadhorse

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• You mean like Pain? : deadhorse

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  Yes. When you go to shoot your goo, the chick will ball up and shield her face to preserve her whore make... : smackpiece
  • LOL, thanks. : deadhorse
• Also the orgasm judder on the vinegar stroke will be created more realistically, also slapping a penis ag... : haritori

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• What about the system that Spore will use to figure out the animation cycles for the creatures? : jackomack
• Its simplified inputs so keyframing is built right into the software, commands such as walk, wave, jump, ... : haritori

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• Now they're gonna make a video like that :( : ifallible
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  No, but it'd scare me if it broke out of the video and formatted my computer. : Grumbeld
  • hahaha : davidc02
• What would be more scary was if the model strted crying and pleading to be released from a master control... : haritori

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• I was thinking it's just a programmed reaction in the engine to an external event. Whatever the event is... : Dr Van Nostrand
• I guess they're giving a few IK targets (e.g. raise your left hand to here), and the figure's overall ani... : maddy
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  I don't know if this is using it, but there is work done with evolutionary animation, I think how it work... : Dynotaku
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    wow that evolutionary animation stuff sounds awesome and it makes sense when you think about it... how fa... : giantshift
    • It was in an article I read quite a while ago, a few years I think, so they probably have animated physic... : Dynotaku
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    wow... that reminds me of that game with the little bug that kept dying like 3000 times until he figured ... : Gwyndion
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      Does anybody remember this game? It has a little creature that was walking around in the Tron-like world... : Gwyndion
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        http://www.gamespot.com/pc/puzzle/creatures2/index.html : socksta
        • nope... not creatures.. but I think it came out around the same time : Gwyndion
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        i think i remember it, wasnt it like a little blue spider looking thing? : Unleashed
        • Yes... exactly. It had a single word as the name and I think that word was the name of the creature. He... : Gwyndion
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        wasn't that in the early 90s? I remember something like that. I think it was called Virus or something si... : pillzer
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          actually... virus sounds kind of familiar... : Gwyndion
          • there was a game like descent which used your harddrive's file structure(and images) as the basis for its... : Unleashed
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          galapagos, or galapaga or something? It was something to do with Darwin. : 60days
          • DING DING DING http://www.gamespot.com/pc/puzzle/galapagosmendelsescape/index.html : astonish
  • I thought that sort of thing were further out - to make it look realistic it's pretty damn close to being... : sphinx
• Yeah it's kind of strange....definitely departs dramatically from traditional animation. It think it's mo... : thundergod79
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  they mean they don't key frame the reaction to physics. So the wave is a key frame. The block falling o... : ease one
  • Yeah, that makes sense. Somewhere in there, you must be doing keyframes... it's just the reactions and t... : Gwyndion
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    why would they say no key framing one screen and turn around and show a key framed wave? when the guy ... : pyide
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      But teaching a stick figure to be self-aware enough to actually wave his hand to say hello... I don't kno... : Gwyndion
      • It didn't do it on its own. The guy was standing there, and they pushed a button that means "wave to me" ... : OverloadUT
    • Why wouldn't they say it. They can say whatever they want. : ease one
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    The wave doesn't have to be a keyframe. All the AI has to say is "a wave is when you put your hand a litt... : OverloadUT
    • That would probably look like shit. I can simulate this buy opening up 3d studio, making a stick figure ... : ease one
• If it has a muscular system they could be storing the traditional keyframe information in an entirely new... : Topaz
• Theres another blue guy off camera acting as the puppeteer : two50six
• Yeah that's a good point... I really don't know.. It's hard to believe it "knows" what wave means, but th... : davidc02
• I was asking my friend -he's an animator- and he says it's just a ragdoll with instructions... like a scr... : davidc02

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  Or dates it depending on how often they update the tech. : Drewus
  • I think this is revolutionary enough to stand on its own for quite a few years. I think this Euphoria... : carbontree
• how? I don't see it : davidc02

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  I suspect that the detail in the animation in that video is 'hi res', and thhaat the game has to use a lo... : FragMeistart
  • what he said. : downrightevil
  • If you see people hit by cars and other people, as well as the drunk videos, and you'll notice it right a... : zehh
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  Actually, I pointed this out in the 3rd trailer video. I said to watch how the guy falls down the stairs ... : LoioshDwaggie
  • Make that the 4th trailer. : LoioshDwaggie
  • yep its definitely in there : two50six
• I'm playing it... its there alright and it looks awesome~! : Goblin au
• No, it's in there, it's just subtle in most normal situations. You'll notice it when someone falls over o... : SockMonkeh

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  He should form a Group. Strength in numbers. : ifallible
  • Won't really help. This one time, I saw the Blue Man Group being assaulted by a gang of red arrows after ... : JimRune
• You should try to sympathize with video game characters more often! : FlatlineDixay
• I think they have a video game property right there. : Murdoc.
• Fifty Percent Blue : Jobos
• The Chinese have many hells. : two50six

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  I know maya and 3dsmax very well, and the prospect of character animation sans major keyframing has me al... : AroundTheFur1380
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    How so? If you view keyframing as a chore, then you really shouldn't be doing animation. Personally I ... : Drewus
    • I whole heartedly agree. : synapse19
    • Indeed. : quadeh
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      Hey hey hey... I wasn't badmouthing keyframing at all, I was simply stating my enthusiasm for new animati... : AroundTheFur1380
      • My misunderstanding. I thought you were implying that keyframing is a chore. : Drewus
    • Much like how 3d animation took the fun out of hand drawn animation or how hand drawn animation took the ... : yourGarbageMan
    • Both types can easily exist together. The Lord of the Rings movies went through a fairly similar debate: ... : glio1337
    • I see this as more of a replacement for rigid rag doll animations and jerky crowd animations, much like t... : melkore
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      Maybe Endorphin will meet you halfway. I guess it helps you build key-frame animations using the same te... : Rich McNinch
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        Yes, mocap does always need people to clean it up, but it's really really mundane work. It manages to tak... : synapse19
        • No, that analogy spoke to me. I'm sorry that bronze doesn't need to be chipped. : Rich McNinch
        • Exactly. Cleaning up mocap is no fun, at all. Although I personally havn't done alot of it (I have the be... : Drewus
        • I am not an animator, but I've worked with a few great ones. They use mocap heavily, not as final mot... : cannelbrae
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      There was a good Ico interview that spent a good section talking about animation. You would enjoy reading... : packav
      • I've read a writeup on IK solving for the Colossii in Shadow Of The Colossus. But never seen anything abo... : Drewus

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  Yeah, I think it's the "underlying sense of self preservation" that gets me : gakera
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    Skynet... : Wyvern
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      hehe, I showed this to a co-worker and she freaked out about the "self-preservation" idea, and didn't lik... : dedgecko
      • I can't wait for when the long discussions about AI versus non-AI in games take place, with almost religi... : zehh
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    As soon as they also pass the Turing test we should get the ACLU on this shit. : Freon
    • I know you weren't serious, but it's actually impossible for computers as they are today to pass it. : ifallible
• I want a downloadable game where I can have a little blue guy in a big white room full of placeable obsta... : .sticks.

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• play with Endorphin and get back to me, it's not COMPLETELY devoid of keyframing, but you can indeed do w... : lja83

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• I agree, this looks fucking cool. I never really liked the rag doll physics of most games, and preferred ... : Helios150
• Someone brought their copy of GTA IV to work today (they know someone at a retailer or something) and I s... : SockMonkeh
• Consider yourself fucked. : aznboysix

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• Nonsense. You can run this RIGHT F'N NOW, for F'N FREE: http://www.naturalmotion.com/ele.htm Sort of. : Rich McNinch
• what they meant to say what intel intergrated graphics can't run it. lolz : italiano3d

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• The enemies fell down in a screen door of gunfire like bags of potatoes with a mind of their own. In the ... : rustified

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  Why, are you a rag doll? : ifallible
  • sometimes, but mostly an animator : synapse19

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• go watch the videos of drunkenness, guys get shot and falling down stairs, etc : derelict515
• Same. This makes me want to check out the game. : graah

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• They couldn't make the guys look straight so they said fug it and named it "euphoria." : Freon

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  Is Euphoria something that can be acquired and used? Is there at least a demo somewhere I can mess with? : AroundTheFur1380
  • not that i know of. they work with devs that want to put this stuff in their game. there is no middleware... : pyide

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• I agree. As if we weren't suffering enough? : Gwyndion