UT on Playstation2

grim, give it a rest.

That's to be expected with unfinished products. And I'm seriously betting that the PSX2 version of UT is currently unfinished.

Your whining is starting to annoy me.

"Having gotten their PS2 developer kit only in January, they already had Unreal Tournament working in an un-optimized form on the console. The framerate wasn't outstanding, but the textures were all in place, the menu system worked, the bots were working, and almost all of the special effects were working fine."

"So far the CPU is doing all of the work," Reinhart explained. The next step is to have Epic programmer Tim Sweeney move the rendering part of the engine over to the PS2's custom hardware to smooth out the framerate. They also plan to change the menu system to make it a little more "console-y."

What you call unfinished, I call remarkable progress. Besides, it's not the version that's due to be released...

And yes, the Unreal engine is highly optimized for the GLide environment; I won't deny that. I imagine it must be fairly difficult to port an engine optimized and "perfected" (I use that lightly) for one environment and get it working every bit as quickly as it does in GLide.

Face it, you're not going to get 100 frames per second in UT in D3D. Not going to happen no matter what nVidia or Epic does. But once nVidia supports palletized textures, at least there will be no hitching, and the game will be playable, which is what truly matters. Epic has acknowledged that part of the problem is in their code, but NOT ALL OF IT is Epic's fault. Why does nVidia refuse to support a feature that many other video cards do? I'm sorry, but I consider it pretty pathetic to not support a feature that even a 3dfx board supports...and I personally like nVidia.

Call it whatever makes you accept it better, I could care less. I call it getting satisfactions one way or another. If Epic didn't fix it after Unreal, then they should never have CLAIMED to. Not it runs great until you actually get it and then say, the next patch will fix it, we promise for the 30th time.

And you can keep your hollier than thou attitude, since I recall your criticism of a few products in more than one post too.

Umm, hehehe, Voodooextreme has a chunk up that everyone ese seems to fail to mention about that UT Demo on the PSX2, it ran at 10 FPS. 10 FPS!!!!!!! Why did they bother to show this? The relevant chunk is pasted in below, go to www.voodooextreme.com and scroll down about 1/4 to 1/2 the way for the rest.


During the demonstration, Epic programmers Brandon Reinhardt and Tim Sweeney ran through a converted version of DM-Codex, one of the game's original deathmatch levels. The player model was equipped with the rocket launcher, which had both primary and secondary fire modes properly functioning. The level itself was almost identical to its PC counterpart in terms of layout and item placement.

The game itself was running at a slow 10fps, however. Greenmarine (Reinhardt) attributed the game's lack of performance to the PlayStation2's awkward programmability. While porting over the code from the PC to the PS2 isn't a problem, tweaking the console's two vertex processors, which has to be done in assembly, is proving to be a pain. However, Epic is confident that the game's frame rate will quickly climb back to acceptable levels after a few more months of fiddling.

Couple of clarifications.

The PSX2 has an 8 meg memory card + the possibility of a hard drive, so patching is not completely out of the question.

2nd, the PSX2 comes with USB ports, so attaching a mouse or keyboard is quite possible (but unlike windows, there is no OS to handle those devices, so the game itself must have the driver code).

well, this is what I think. Sony has had no problems providing relatively bug free games for a long time. why be worried now? they will make sure every thing is good before it goes out the door.

X-Box on the other hand, I'm worried about. I think one of the functions of the 8gig Hd is so that they can slack off and patch crap rather than get it right the first time :/

The hard drive on the XBox is strictly for scratch purposes. It is not for installing games, and I believe Microsoft will strictly enforce this.

As games get more and more complex, QA'ing them also becomes more complex. Granted, developing for one system is much better than developing for a generic PC (in terms of optimizing, bug tracking, etc). Still though, the possibility of a bug coming out of a complex system is relatively high.

Also, let's say Sony comes out with this new fangled (is that a word?) device that makes the mouse obsolete. It would be great to be able to "patch" your current games to make it support this device.

What about gameplay issues? What if they realize an issue months afterwards that they forgot. WHat about net-code. Noone's ever coded for these consoles and netplay before, how can they control those variables?

Bottom line, the QA for Consoles is much more astringent than the QA for Computer games, BECAUSE of the ability to patch. Hence, why Q3A was released so early...

Who cares about patching? Developing for the PSX2 is nothing like developing for PCs, PSX2 is totally propriatary (sp?). Epic doesn't have to make the game work for a PC that can have thousands if not more different kinds of configurations, just the PSX2 which has onle ONE design and configuration, therefore there should'nt be any need for patches etc.. they should get it right the first time.. if not they reallyt do have problems.

[revolver]

veins on the leaves is all well and good, but i can't be expected to have fun unless there's also a bug crawling on the leaf.

ok, my last post was in response to Val down there @ #20

FPS games = PC, that's all there is to it. Buy a console to play fighting, racing, and sports games. The PC is (as shown again and again, with unsucessful PC to console ports in the past, or vice versa for that matter) and always will be the master of FPS and RTS games. Simple as that. I'm getting a PS2 to play games like Gran Tourismo, but I absolutely laugh (offensive laugh) at console FPS games.

- Val

You can remember me in the elections and bump up my karma, as if I gave a shit. Secretly I do, as attainment in a caste system is really what life's about.

Epic is fucked. I mean, once you deliver a game on a console that's it, you cannot patch. So when Epic does their usual routine and delivers it with broken D3D or network code, I just see the returns lineups at the stores...

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Used to be only the first post made an ass of themself. Now we're frequently seeing the first 3 or so spew forth their chud on our eyes. Karma where are'st thou?

i want a psx2

I still have yet to see a good fps on a console. Goldeneye was the best so far. Where I really like consoles is sports and especially driving games. I will but a PSX2 for driving games, but I will rent UT just to see if they can pull it off.

first post! wait..

Shouldn't Epic get it right on the PC first? 3 years of Unreal patches and D3D still is bad and UT ain't any better. Oh, I know let's start another project we won't finnish, devoting all the time we should be using to fix Unreal and UT and develope the UnrealEd we've been promising for the last 2 years, and port this 3dfx based engine to hardware not using 3dfx chips. Yawn! LOL.

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First post!

I cant help myself :)

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