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  Valve for the counter - http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17744 : avatar_58
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    The counter being "Make indie games or MMOs". Yeah there will be your occasional AAA title that will sell... : Evil Benius
    • Valve's Lombardi oneshotting the whole discussion in two paragraphs: Lombardi blames the retail-heavy ... : [7]kami
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      Answer - move to both. I don't restrict myself so I don't see this as a problem. With games like Sam & Ma... : avatar_58
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        The thing is that out all of those PC games you listed the only ones I would play on PC are the RTSs and ... : Evil Benius
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          *I* is the key word. What *I* would play. Did I ask what you would play? No I did not. Just because you a... : avatar_58
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            No, but my feeling is not some off the wall opinion. It is a very strong one that the majority of people ... : Evil Benius
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              So because you don't personally enjoy these games the PC is doing poorly, is that what you are saying? Of... : avatar_58
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                Yes it is anecdotal, but I am going by everyone I know who plays games and even what I have noticed on th : Evil Benius
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                  As I see it I wouldn't mind if shooters and heavy hardware game actually left the PC. Doesn't bother me O... : avatar_58
                  • Yeah and I think that is just what a lot of developers are saying. PC games are going to start being more... : Evil Benius
                • I dont know about that. The 50" widescreen in the livingroom and surround speakers are great, but get ti... : sch44cker
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      That's because most devs are not using PC at their full potential. They don't try to innovate. They wonde... : razlebol
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        And what incentive do they have to when the games sell like hotcakes on consoles? : Evil Benius
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          You're right, keep pumping out rehashes and sequels, they sell so they must be good. : SenorSpine
          • Not all console releases are rehashes or sequels and a lot of the ones that fall into that group are stil... : Evil Benius
          • Because PC games are never rehashes and sequels... : ColoradoCNC
        • But that isn't even true often. Just look at the measly sales of UT3 on the PS3. UT used to sell much mor... : serenj
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        Thats Sweeney's entire point. They can't make games that push PCs anymore because they won't reach the ma... : Tommy Toolbag
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          I don't believe that. I am sure that if someone uses PC full potential instead of using 10-15 year old te... : razlebol
          • wow i think u missed the point intirely : thewindcriesmary
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          Blizzard & Valve disagree. : [7]kami
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            Blizzard disagrees? Not likely. When was the last time Blizzard made a game that pushed hardware to the l... : Tommy Toolbag
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              Why must they? Why do games even HAVE to push hardware limits? Thats the kind of ass backwards thinking t... : avatar_58
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                I agree with you. I don't think its necessary. But its part of the full potential razlebol mentioned, and... : Tommy Toolbag
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                  You mean the PC market? Most PC gamers are into this stuff, which is why it's a niche. Mainstream gamers ... : avatar_58
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                    You and I agree. But now we are verging on pulling other elements into the conversation that were specifi... : Tommy Toolbag
                    • er, werent specifically addressed. : Tommy Toolbag
                • I don't think graphics are that important. Games just need to be polished. Simple to use. Nice interface.... : razlebol
            • (PC) Gaming is not about pushing limits. It's about entertainment. : [7]kami
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          There's a difference between pushing the hardware and innovating. : Jonathan
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            I not questioning that. But the most successful PC game on the planet right now, WoW, doesnt push hardwar... : Tommy Toolbag
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              Actually as much as we knock WoW it did innovate in the MMO genre. Sure it pulled an awful lot from older... : Jonathan
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                Thats not innovating. Thats consolidating and refining. : Tommy Toolbag
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                  I would say that consolidating and refining is what happens after launch. By which time you've missed the... : Jonathan
                  • So where did Blizzard innovate with WoW? There are only 2 significant changes to gameplay that I see. ... : Tommy Toolbag
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          Steep hardware requirements != innovation. : SenorSpine
          • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16447814#itemanchor_16447814 : Tommy Toolbag
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  He's right you know. Taken out of context, sure, it sucks. But walk into Best Buy and look at what is o... : changejar419
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    Thats the way its always been tho. People who want to play pc games are going to make sure their compute... : Rigor Morts
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      Yeah, but it hasn't been quite this bad. And the graphics low end/high margin, as well as the price of b... : changejar419
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        Only if you insist on being on the cutting edge, otherwise for the price of a cheap computer and a consol... : Jonathan
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          Considering the higher end quads and core 2's are cheap now and the 8800 can be had for like $200 I reall... : avatar_58
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            Crysis capable rig = $1000 Xbox 360 = $399 Nobody is bitching, dude just said it's dying. And the ... : changejar419
            • yeah but the 360 isn't crysis capable :P Crysis is a bit of an anomaly in any case... it will still be cr... : aeg1x
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              Hey nice strawman there. : Jonathan
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                How is it a "strawman"? The context of the article clearly states consoles have an advantage on the mark... : changejar419
                • But hey fuck that guy he works in the gaming industry. I'm sure he has no clue what he's talking about. ... : Jonathan
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                  sorry Jon...that was mean. :( I'd take it back if i could. : changejar419
                  • I didn't take it personally... mostly because Hey nice argumenteventhoughyouhavenothingvaluabletosay the : Jonathan
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              Where did the 360 enter into this? People are bitching PCs cost to much, I just said that for under $1000... : avatar_58
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                Read the article. Dude is saying consoles have the advantage due to cost. That is where the 360 entered... : changejar419
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                  Yeah but you've still not added in the cost of having a machine that can do everything else a PC does so ... : Jonathan
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                    I could get a computer to do all those other things for about $400. It's the extra $600 (bare minimum) y... : changejar419
                    • So for one device that does everything I could pay some where between $800 - $1000 or I could pay $800 fo... : Jonathan
            • If a 360 had even remotely the same feature set as a PC that would be an adequate comparison. : SenorSpine
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            PC gaming is more expensive than console gaming. I don't know how you can deny that. Say you get a dec... : weaselmeister
            • Who the fuck denies it? The PS3 is more expensive than the 360, and both are a lot more expensive than th... : avatar_58
            • Yeah and my brand new xbox 360 chugs on Mass Effect and Saint's Row... so should I upgrade? Oh wait.... O... : Jonathan
            • You will be able to play games for 4-5 years if not more if you buy a good PC now. You will probably not ... : razlebol
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        My 386SX with 2 MB of Ram and 100mb hard drive cost over $2000 and it could barely run Doom. I'd say ... : phate81
        • Pcs those days barely lasted 6 months with games too, as they would just run too slowly the next year. Al... : avatar_58
  • Yeah with the context his statement is correct. : Jonathan
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  good god....will this debate NEVER end? Can't there be both consoles AND PC's? lol : Rigor Morts
  • NO! ONE SHALL STAND! ONE MUST BOW! : Degenerate
  • You can't play console games on raidnights goddamnit. You KNOW that. : [7]kami
  • No. Choose one or die. : stump
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    CONSUMERS DON'T LIKE A FORMAT WAR! : mancide
    • Except it's not a format war. Maybe between the PS3 and 360 since they are very much alike, but not betwe... : avatar_58
  • WHY U GOTTA BE LIKE THIS : xsii
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    MY XBOX AND MY PC ARE CONSTANTLY WARRING THIS MUST BE SETTLED IMMEDIATELY : nomaad
    • Mine too :( : cdbeckman
    • When you sleep is when they come out and fight. Why do you think 360s get red rings of death or pc parts ... : Chod
    • yeah I have to keep my PC upstairs so it doesn't notice the Wii and 360 otherwise they will fight smash b... : mikecyb
  • THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE : TrptJim
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  He's right? I don't see where he is wrong. SLI is the worst idea also : bozer
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    There's nothing wrong with SLI unless it becomes a must have requirement, which will never happen. : grabbie
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      Its a stupid idea to begin with. Why not use one great video card rather then have two equal the one? I g... : bozer
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        If people want to spend out their ass let em. SLI has never been worth it, and most people realize this. ... : avatar_58
        • 2x voodoo2s was pretty awesome. : bobk
      • most SLI solutions tend to be only for the hardcore that are already buying 1 of the top top cards but st... : Arsenal
      • SLI with midrange cars is indeed stupid. But most people that use SLI are building new rigs and want som... : DinK
• Everything Sweeney's saying there is true and reasonable, it needs to be said more often. There are solut... : SpaecKow
• That is so taken out of context. He's saying that the horsepower of the common off-the-shelf PC is not s... : spiderfill
• As others have said, hes right. Take my notebook, for instance. 2 GHz Core Duo, 2 gigs of ram, but Intel ... : Tommy Toolbag
• To be fair, that's taken out of context. He's talking about mainstream PCs that Best Buy and the like pu... : DinK
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  I fail for taking it essentially verbatim off of slashdot. : Wombat Woo
  • in that case pointing fingers are mostly for this typical failing of gaming journalism, and millions of i... : lonestar3
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  It funny how dev turn behind the money. Sweeney and Cliffy were once hardcore PC devs. Sell outs! : MrGrindy
  • when they make crappy games they want to blame the PC for poor sales : Sixcos
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  If you guys actually read the article he makes some valid points that have been bothering me for years. : tension
  • Even if he does, Epic does come across as a bunch of whiners. : Horn
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  Epic can be console exclusive for all I care, they have been rehashing old ideas for a while now anyway s... : phate81
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    Haha wow you are totally wrong on a ton of accounts there. : Evil Benius
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      O rly? : phate81
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        Ya, rly. : changejar419
        • O rly? : ateam311
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  These kinds of discussions are getting old. I mean, really, is it a surprise that Epic is pessimistic abo... : mittense
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    Cliffy can't buy more lambos if the PC games don't sell 4.5 million copies. : mancide
    • well, he was able to afford a much needed haircut. : sch44cker
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    The funny thing is - did UT3 even sell well on the consoles? : avatar_58
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      No, but haven't you heard? The PC is to blame for poor console sales now! : phate81
      • Blame console piracy! : [7]kami
    • In the first two weeks it sold 110k on PS3 and in same launch timeframe for PC it sold 40k. Nothing huge ... : Evil Benius
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  What's happened is simple. The business model has difficulty working when games cost 20m dollars and sel... : GeorgeB3DR
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    Do you think that console games have also benefited from "just working" most of the time? It seems with e... : mancide
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      Yes. Clearly with a console as a closed platform and with games having to be cleared and tested by the ... : GeorgeB3DR
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        Wouldn't you say that PCs and Xbox1 were somewhat on par around 2001 though? I remember when Halo came... : famine101
        • No. 64 megs vs 256 megs or more, of system ram. Weaker video cards. The pc was leapfrogging consoles ra... : GeorgeB3DR
        • The big issue back then was resolution. Halo1 was an SD game 480p. The graphics were nice but that lack ... : trevis
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        As long as they keep consoles in the $400 range and really powerful, pc gaming will be in trouble. I doub : SpaecKow
        • Well there you go, the PS3 is more expensive and the 360 is less reliable. =) With that said, the com... : DinK
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        Give consoles a mouse and keyboard (or equivalent) and that'll be it for many PC gamers. With proper con... : DinK
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          btw when I say "proper" controls, I'm thinking of genres that favor the PC, like FPS, RTS, and any other ... : DinK
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            Right. What will happen is that you will see less of the game genres you mention. A game like Starcraft... : GeorgeB3DR
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              Relic were very disappointed with COH but they do just fine with Dawn of War and its legion of expansion ... : SpaecKow
              • Dawn of War came before the 20m budget of games like CoH. I'll be curious to see where Relic go next, or... : GeorgeB3DR
            • Oh George, you hurt me with your truth. Those genres I mention are some of my favorites. =( : DinK
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              Guess what will happen once Blizzard decides to bring the World of Wacraft to the consoles. : [7]kami
              • I wonder how much Activision will be able to influence them : Jayx77
            • What about Sins of a Solar empire? : thewindcriesmary
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          It's already decided. 1% of people care about mouse look. The other 99% buy Halo, CoD4, Gears of War, b... : GeorgeB3DR
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            Thats why I love the source engine. It doesn't need high end hardware, yet still looks pretty good. It al... : avatar_58
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              What does HL2 have over "graphics only" shooters? Because HL2 is about as standard as you can get when i... : dilutedq
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                Why don't you reverse that sentence and tell me what the graphics only shooters have over HL2? I'm not sa... : avatar_58
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                  If you are getting the same gameply, might as well get better graphics that immerse you more into the gam... : dilutedq
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                    Really? Because Condemned is hardly a looker with their gorilla models and low res textures and it succee... : avatar_58
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                      Condemed for the time was a pretty good looker, and Condemed 2 looks really good so I don't know what els... : dilutedq
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                        Condemned 2 has been pounced on for not looking that much better than the original. The jupiter engine is... : avatar_58
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                          High tech engine != better graphics. I still think Diablo 2 is one of the better looking games. I h... : dilutedq
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                            Thats the point I was already making.....you are agreeing with me. Thats why I used HL2 and source as an ... : avatar_58
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                              I'm saying graphics matter though. The engine only gives you the base to develop a good looking game. : dilutedq
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                                Yes but like 75% of a budget is spent on creating the tech these days. If they instead focused on just ma... : avatar_58
                                • On every single title I've worked on, content creation has been the largest financial hit and the percent... : RomSteady
          • Yea, once I converted to a console controller for FPS I don't have a problem with them. : mancide
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            It's probably more that 1% but yeah that is not what sell the most. : razlebol
            • I'd guess less than 1% of game-consumers fall into the "mouselook or bust" category. Probably more "care... : walker270
          • While I'm sure Mouse/KB will be standard on consoles, in the near future. Till then I'll remain a happy ... : treework
          • Show me a competitive shooter like CSS, DODS or TF2 that i can play effectively with a controller and ill... : thewindcriesmary
        • you do realize that theres more to pc gaming then the control scheme right? : ballystix
    • I love PC gaming and have been doing it for ages, but I still occasionally feel this way. Granted, I've b... : Vincent Grayson
  • I think he was getting at this to an extent. Brand new store-bought PCs can't even run the games on the ... : DinK
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    http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16447814#itemanchor_16447814 What's happeing]i is simple: people b... : [7]kami
    • Tag'd, goddamnit. : [7]kami
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      Who cares? Nobody in the game industry uses WoW as a benchmark. Nobody can compete with it. You can't ... : GeorgeB3DR
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        And Peggle? And the HL episodes? And what about Starcraft 2? Or Steam for that matter? And, hopefully, DN... : [7]kami
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          They were - but then came XBLA and the Playstation store. : avatar_58
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            And Steam for the PC, which sells (like Lombardi states) a lot of minigames (if you can call it that) whi... : [7]kami
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              You really don't know what you are talking about. : GeorgeB3DR
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                I'll admit that i have no idea how the industry works (especially compared to you). But i do see studios ... : [7]kami
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                  The fact is, the market IS THERE. However developers are making rehash games that aren't taking anything ... : thewindcriesmary
                  • Exactly. Thanks for helping me get my point across. : [7]kami
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    Isn't steam kind of like the old days though? With many cheap releases being sent out in regular interval... : avatar_58
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      This is what I've been trying to say all along. Some of my favorite PC games of the last few years have b... : phate81
      • I liked the old sierra days where they had one developer per game. They would have this head who would ha... : avatar_58
  • This is a great TL;DR for that article! : changejar419
  • problem for PC games for me over the past few years, there hasnt been any PC game to come out in recent m... : -=kodiak=-
• or Epic could make a good game. : lakren
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  From my very limited perspective, Unreal always seemed bloated and unavailable when in its original incar... : Q-ball
  • The unreal engine was very scalable.. : razlebol
• TBQH at this point epic could stop making PC Games and I wouldn't be too upset. UT2K4 was awesome, but UT... : SenorSpine
• I don't even need to read the thread, I can already see the "Epic makes shit games anyways" "UT3 sucked t... : dilutedq
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  According to Epic, the main struggle with overall declining RETAIL sales has a lot to do with awful graph... : AroundTheFur1380
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    And even then, Valve has some retail success because their games do scale back to lower-end hardware. Ol... : RomSteady
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      Let's not bring SiN into this, because in my eyes it died because it was a terrible game - bar none. If w... : avatar_58
      • I'm bringing it up as a data point for comparison: 2:1 retail/Steam. Because Valve doesn't release Steam... : RomSteady
  • Depends on the game, as they said in their statement. Perhaps Epic needs to change its modus operandi of... : Q-ball
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  I was just about to post this. WTF. Unreal was ok but every other game in the franchise was totally unne... : Sludgehead
  • The first unreal was amazing, the sequel was probably one of the biggest let downs of all time. : gmd
• QQ more, Epic! : CrustaR
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  Bottom line is this, once I can get the accuracy of a mouse I'll gladly switch to FPS on the Console. Ot... : RyDogg1
  • I agree. The gamepad just doesn't feel right at all. : CrustaR
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  The real question is: are the 80-90% PC piracy rates evaluations actually on the spot, because if those a : Autocrawler
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    Actually, if you've got 5,000,000 people playing the game and only 500,000 who have paid for it, it's eve... : RomSteady
    • It's a question of just pushing digital distribution though, is it not? Games that require you to stay co... : Autocrawler
    • I don't think requiring a net connection to play the game is a problem for the vast majority of people th... : SenorSpine
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      Do you know for sure that copy protection would stop 250,000 from pirating the game or did you just give : Jonathan
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        Current methods of copy protection? Sure. But Bioshock which used a rather new DRM method went uncracked ... : Autocrawler
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          That's great and all but Bioshock's level of DRM (in part) turned me off buying 2K Games unless it's Civ ... : Jonathan
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            The license limit was a stupid idea, however basically, you shouldn't really complain about that so much ... : Autocrawler
            • That's ok, I have no need to buy those games. : Jonathan
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        On average, any expansion pack sells at a 40% attach rate, meaning that 2 out of every 5 purchasers of th... : RomSteady
        • Er, sorry, 150%. : RomSteady
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    Thats BS though, as there is no way to track the amount of players that pirated the games. It's even hard... : avatar_58
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      The numbers DO come from somewhere though, and I keep hearing them reiterated over and over, and while I : Autocrawler
      • One way people get the numbers is looking at what percentage pirated game users ask for support compared ... : rosewood
    • There are ways to estimate the number. : walker270
    • It is a well known fact 157% of all PC games are pirated. : gmd
    • You're not going to get a 100% accurate number, of course, but you certainly can get decent estimates. E.... : navelskrutt
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  Sweeney is right, I play only consoles games any more because I am old and jaded and fucking hate updatin... : gmd
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    Also George please have smooth controls like COD4 and not the atrocious controls like Turok. : gmd
    • Turok controls were perfect for me once I turned down the sensitivivty. It was too high by default IMO : needles eye
• Taken in context he's exactly right. Taking that one line out of the article without all of the preceding... : nakedsavage
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  All this PC is dead thing is retarded on a scale of retardness the likes of which hasn't been seen since ... : Frozen Pixel
  • This is so informative and insightful until the last sentence. : Jonathan
  • Well put, and best of luck on your new title! : phate81
  • Um I am pretty sure that is what all of them are saying. PC gaming as we knew it is dying and this new wa... : Evil Benius
  • What independent developer are you? Also, how difficult was it to get started? : CrustaR
  • My article along the same lines: http://www.polycat.net/1239 TL;DR: I agree with you and I like this p... : mittense
  • That's just semantics though. When people say "PC gaming is dying", they mean "PC games as we know it is ... : navelskrutt
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  IMO, PC gaming needs to stop trying to compete with consoles for the high-end production value/cinematic-... : walker270
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    What? This is the way some PC games will probably go but that you actually want it truly baffles me. A : omnova
    • So play console games. Right now they're able to maintain the ridiculously high production costs and sti... : walker270
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      Who's to say we can't have them only with a smaller budget? You don't need 100k just to write a story and... : avatar_58
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        Homeworld had a great storyline with just a few static images and markers on a map. Starcraft and Warcra... : walker270
        • I agree. Not only is presentation expensive, with little reuse (think FMVs), but most of if is not immer... : shirif
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  I feel sick that I helped these people make their millions by buying their games on the PC back in the 90... : deathofrats
  • Why? They make good games, and make valid points. : dilutedq
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    What would you rather him do? Stick his fingers in his ears and ignore the changing environment? He's... : walker270
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      what changing environment? What about Valve's success proves this dipshit's whining and sour grapes that... : deathofrats
      • i havent looked at the numbers but its pretty obvious consoles vs. gaming that consoles are taking over. ... : handofthrawn
      • Valve is a huge exception to the rule. They basically have a license to print money with their games just : Evil Benius
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        Valve and Blizzard are the exceptions to the rule. They do not dictate the trend. They are not good ind... : walker270
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          why are they exceptions? valve is like a 8 year old company at most. epic has been around forever, did th... : spaceless
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            Valve's game development was initially subsidized by the large bankrolls of people who made their fortune... : RomSteady
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              the unreal engine is used by basically every company in the industry, so why cant they take more time and... : spaceless
              • i mean, they have a lot of cash that they could spend to take the time to do it. : spaceless
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                Because like id, Epic makes their money on the licenses. The purpose of an engine licensor's title is ... : RomSteady
                • you are too smart : spaceless
                • Penny-Arcade said it best. Something along the lines of "The Doom 3 engine looks really sweet. I can't : zerog83
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                  Uhm. No. That's what you have tech demos for. You don't sink 10M into a game purposefully hamstringing it... : navelskrutt
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                    Tech demos aren't enough anymore. A lot of companies were burned by licensing unfinished technology, i... : RomSteady
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                      Still doesn't mean that the purpose of the title is anything but to make money in its own right. If you j... : navelskrutt
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                        But a crappy game will make the engine itself look bad. A perfect licensor game looks great, has a dec... : RomSteady
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                          Dude, you *just* said that they were intentionally designing crappy games to not outshine the licensees, ... : navelskrutt
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                            No, he didn't say they were intentionally designing crappy games. Companies that depend on licensing ten... : walker270
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                              But GOW isn't barebones. It's a massive production. : navelskrutt
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                                "Gears of War" is a unique situation in that it ended up coming out before their "engine showcase" game c... : RomSteady
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                                  Yeah whatever, you don't know what you're talking about. Being the first to use a new technology is a won... : navelskrutt
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                                    Valve's Source licensing is a secondary income source. They provide major discounts on Source if you agr... : RomSteady
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                                      Oh of course, valve is a special case too. As was GOW. Tell me, does this "rule" of yours have any typica... : navelskrutt
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                                        Epic did it with the Unreal and Unreal Tournament games. id licensed their Doom tech for other games eve... : RomSteady
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                                          No, neither the quake and doom 3 techs where made for licensing. They were made for their respective game... : navelskrutt
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                                            Over the last decade, I've shipped nearly 30 SKU's working for not only companies that license tech, but ... : RomSteady
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                                              How you can have such a misinformed view (e.g. the entirety of your previous post) while still working in... : navelskrutt
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                                                As a licensor, you are a similar position as a console manufacturer in that you want to get people to dev... : RomSteady
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                                                  Yeah, whatever. Most of that is completely irrelevant. The point is that nobody is stupid enough to spend... : navelskrutt
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                                                    You are a fantastic listener/reader. : omnova
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                                                      It's difficult to listen/read when he can't stay on topic. Here's his claim: Game developer's intentio... : navelskrutt
                                                      • Oh and btw, interesting that UT 2004 was made when it essentially used the same tech as UT 2003 (2.0 vs 2... : navelskrutt
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                                    The first UE3 title to ship wasn't even an Epic title. It was RoboBlitz for the 360. : RomSteady
                                    • Yeah, now that one is different. Some Xbox Live Arcade titles have used some of our tech, but that doesn'... : navelskrutt
          • They are exceptions by the definition of the word "exception." Each company is responsible for one of th... : walker270
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            8 years? Half-Life came out 10 years ago. : Chepito.
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              "is like" : spaceless
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                "at most" : zerog83
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                  my prequalifier was before that though so i win. : spaceless
                  • <insert witty comment and large number of [lol]s here. : zerog83
          • How many people here would buy Half-Life 3 or Starcraft 2 without knowing anything about it or ever havin... : Evil Benius
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            Valve has been around for 12 years : EvilDolemite
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              you guys dont let up! holy fuck so i didnt wikipedia it!!!! : spaceless
              • Your estimate was off by 50% man. : EvilDolemite
              • Next time you will, though, right? : SockMonkeh
          • No, epic made one fun game and then re-made 4 more times. : spazzium
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          They are used because they are prime examples of doing something different and adapting to the market. Bl... : Chod
          • Both of which are able to do this because of their history. Not every game developer has Half-Life or St : walker270
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          They are used because they are prime examples of doing something different and adapting to the market. Bl... : Chod
          • Crap double post nuke. : Chod
  • the quote in the parent comment, when taken out of context does give the feeling of 'betrayal'. Just... : mrsparil
  • The audience has moved on for the most part, so they did too. You haven't, obviously, but you're not the ... : Serpico74
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  as much as ppl will argue, consoles are dominating. period. and there is nothing you guys can do about ... : X-GOUKI
  • Why is the Project for Pride and Living arguing and voting with money so often? : mittense
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  Where would epic be w/o PCs? Was there no piracy back in the UT days? : rosewood
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    Piracy has become significantly more problematic with the proliferation of broadband. Downloading 1-5 CD... : walker270
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      UT works with a CD key so no online play if you copy it. They just invalidate the CD key. : gyokuro
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        Epic said previously that 85% of the people who purchased Unreal Tournament 2004 never went online. : RomSteady
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          bahahaha : dirge23
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            Hey, there is something to be said for people who like playing against bots. : RomSteady
            • yes, it's "bahahaha" : dirge23
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  He has some valid points. However, my main issue with the "death of PC gaming" are when people claim it ... : EvilDolemite
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    yeah i built my new sys for like 1400 from absolutely nothing, without shopping around on prices. : xxiv
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      e6740 evga 8800gt 150gb raptor 4gb ocz antec p182 samsung 226bw logitech g9 + logitech g15 samsun... : xxiv
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        John Davison of 1Up made a really ignorant comment the other week. The topic was why Crysis and UT3 sold : EvilDolemite
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          I enjoy 1UP podcasts, but the console guys on 1UP Yours really need to stfu about the PC market. I'm tal... : grayscale
          • Yeah Shane especially. Brilliant console journalist. Knows everything about Japanese games. Constantly... : EvilDolemite
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      That's still a lot of money for how relatively few good games there are compared to the 360, for instance... : nukewinter
      • That is completely subjective. I could list a dozen high-quality, highly-reviewed, cutting-edge PC tit... : EvilDolemite
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      How much would it cost to get a similar system from Dell, Gateway, or Best Buy? Does this price include ... : walker270
      • probably around 3k from dell as a guess. the price does include software as far as the os. every game wil... : xxiv
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    Not to mention all the OTHER shit that $1000 PC will get used for, like posting on the Shack. : SenorSpine
    • But you can do all that other shit on a cheapie $400 PC with integrated graphics, or your 5-year-old clun... : afty
  • You can, but all the fucking big PC vendors out there sell shitty $1000 systems that can't do anything bu... : FlatlineDixay
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    The biggest problem is not the overinflated prices. He is spot on when he complains about the average PC ... : Pettytheft
    • To PettyTheft's comments - that's completely untrue, you can EASILY build a sub-$1000 PC that'll run Crys... : wytefang
  • also that isnt THAT far cry from a console's cost if you subtract the monitor cost and also include all t... : sexninja!!!!
• Oh Sweeney, what crazy things won't you say? : Mad Brahmin Disease
• You have to wonder how different things would be if they wouldn't have originally released Gears exclusiv... : vynn
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  If Epic wants to check out of the PC gaming biz thats fine. But they need to just stfu. : gyokuro
  • Agreed. : [7]kami
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    Developers seem to have a choice. They can recognize the issues involved with their platform, discuss ... : RomSteady
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      There's certainly better ways to approach the problem than to repeatedly claim that the platform no longe... : SenorSpine
      • Their ability to charge license fees on a platform is directly related to the amount that a developer is ... : RomSteady
      • I think (definitely in this case) the problem lies more on the defensive party than the offensive party. : changejar419
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        they released a turd that is called UT3. So now they can say, "OMG our AAA title UT3 isn't selling. PC Ga... : gyokuro
        • hehe, no kidding. : yAak
        • Blizzard throws a wrench into any real analysis. Asians, Koreans specifically, will buy almost anything B... : Tommy Toolbag
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        Gears of War was a AAA title by any definition of the word. : navelskrutt
        • Yes, and how long did it take to come out after everyone had already bought the 360 version? It's also a ... : K1Bond007
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          Not for the PC it wasn't, it was a 6 month old port. : SenorSpine
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            With engine enhancements, new levels, a new enemy, etc. : RomSteady
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              Does that mean it's not a 6 month old game that was built from the ground up for the 360? : SenorSpine
              • The problem is that it being 6 months old should not matter if not the XBox 360 version would have taken ... : yemeth
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  are they crying because id and Valve consistently wipe the floor with them in terms of sales? : ]pm[chem
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    What has id made on PC in the last 9 years that has sold well? I could probably dig up a number of comme... : omnova
    • Technically Raven developed Q4 :) DOOM 3 actually sold really well. : vynn
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      "Doom 3" actually sold well. IIRC, it sold just over 1 million units but I do not know if that was PC on... : RomSteady
      • Fair enough (to both of you). I'm just frustrated as hell. You could argue that Epic is doing it to the... : omnova
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        Perfect Dark Zero is almost up to two million now. So is that number really what passes for "selling well... : navelskrutt
        • on the PC? Yes, yes it is. On the consoles? No. Hmm, I wonder why you'd abandon PCs for consoles... : sammyl
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          2 things. PDZ was a launch title, and it's quite often bundled with the console, so it's sales don't real... : thecray
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            Well there are other examples of course (can't think of any right now though), point is that 1M is only b... : navelskrutt
            • Breakeven is ~500,000 units nowadays on a game with a $10 million development budget. A game between "... : RomSteady
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        Sold 3.5 million according to Carmack last year. http://www.shacknews.com/docs/press/010710_id_carmack... : K1Bond007
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          I wonder what the PC/Xbox breakdown is on those sales... : RomSteady
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            I don't know, but I found it curious they called it their most successful game to date. I would have thou... : K1Bond007
            • Given the numbers from here... http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Sales It sounds like "Doom 3" to date wou... : RomSteady
        • that's pretty amazing, especially since they didn't put much work into the multi-player component : vynn
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        btw, who made the doom3 expansion pack? id or raven? and how did that sell? : sch44cker
        • Nerve Software. It received solid ratings. http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbx/doom3resurrec... : vynn
• But... but... Tim, you're awesome. Whut? :( : node
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  I pretty much just ignore all the hyperbole that comes out of Epic. They make good engines, but a lot of ... : ColoradoCNC
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    Nah, Cliffy's gamer through and through and Tim Sweeny is one smart fuck programmer. Mark Reign though, n... : node
    • I really enjoyed the blow me / whatever / maybe if we get bored comments about the GoW PC port. That's h... : capt tripps
  • Did you read the article? : dilutedq
• Does this mean that he's still upset that nobody bought his game. I just wish these guys would make up t... : capt tripps
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  waahhh, no one bought UT3, waaahhhh : dignan
  • they fail to realize it's the same goddamn UT over and over again. : kainen1
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    None of you read the fucking article. You see one quote that is taken out of context and run with it. : dilutedq
    • It's the Slashdot effect. People read the summary but very few read the article. : RomSteady
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      I read the article and I'm pretty sure the low UT3 sales are still related. : mittense
      • pity they didn't blame piracy in the article... Now they are blaming it on pc hardware manufacturers. : dedgecko
      • Ya, it has to be. If they expected more sales from Gears PC then they're on crack. : vynn
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        UT3 failed because there is no market for it. Hardcore players will stay with UT2004, purists will prefe : omnova
        • i like this post : RikiTiki2
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          That's about the long and short of it, they marketed to an audience that doesn't exist anymore. : SenorSpine
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            and even then, they didn't do a good job of marketing it : vynn
            • Big surprise, they were all chipper about joining with Midway and all I could think of was "Yeah, enjoy t... : node
        • No, it's a bad game. : dmason
        • agreed; remember in December when there was whining about lackluster sales for both Crysis and UT3? Then... : the archvile
    • long time UT player, since original Unreal (those bots were fantastic!). Do I need to read the article t... : dignan
    • It's journalism. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  Am I missing something here? Isn't he directly contributing to the problem he's railing against? I doubt ... : NastyJack
  • The funny part is that they knew this a while back. : capt tripps
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    UT3 runs and scales comparably to TF2. : omnova
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      From what I've seen this is true - a lot of benchmarking sites have remarked on how well the game runs on... : mn3m0n1c
      • That's pretty damn impressive given how it runs on the high end. UE really continues to be some impressiv... : node
    • It ran pretty decently on my POS 7600 GT so I can't complain : nukewinter
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  Even if this was true, the last thing that anyone should be doing is saying it publicly. I fail to see ho... : dooberzoo
  • Ignoring problems is no way get them fixed. : walker270
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    How would it hurt PC developers? Sure, you have the internet mob armed with their anonymous scathing (an... : omnova
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      I don't know about hurting pc developers, but the latest comments from epic towards pcs and pc gamers are... : capt tripps
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        Todd Hollenshead (among others) made the same comments some years ago just as id decided to branch out in... : omnova
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          There's also a lot of people that won't buy id games and hate them sight unseen. I think that Quake4's p... : capt tripps
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            At this point Blizzard has released 4 RTS games, 2 action RPGs, and 1 MMORPG over the course of 18 years.... : walker270
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              Starcraft 2. More like Starcraft 1.1 Lol, Your Mamma ;) : capt tripps
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                After 10 years they're allowed to re-release a game with new tech, even if it is exactly the same. Fuck,... : walker270
                • It was a joke. I'm looking forward to Starcraft 2 like almost everybody else. : capt tripps
            • You forgot Rock'N'Roll racing, Lost Vikings and Blackthrone! : Frozen Pixel
        • I didn't see Hollenshead saying "the PC platform sucks". So far we've seen Cliffy B and Tim Sweeney say ... : the archvile
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  I know a friend of mine who isn't that computer savy went in to futureshop one day and walked out with a ... : headbone
  • Future Shop - Where you go to buy a Gaming PC of the past : vynn
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  PCs are expensive indeed, and they are used for more than just games.... ok ... now, a console may be che... : ghost hacker
  • Don't forget a house to put it in. Fucking consoles costing us over a million dollars. : walker270
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  Holy shit I can't believe this thread is still going. Anyway, you can tell me how PC gaming is dying ... : phate81
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    all I know about is that I just spent over $100 on Steam in less than a week That's two new games, or ... : walker270
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      Your point is? We should buy 3 games a week maybe? Some of us have lives : FiReaNG3L
      • Your statement reduces to "PC gaming isn't dead because I bought three games last week!" which I thought ... : walker270
• Without reading the article, the reason consoles will most likely always sell more: * The cost of the ... : jake
• the 360 is good for breaking down : prime8
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  • Epic can stop making games all together if Unreal 3 is the best they can do : noven
• HAVE HOPE! what to expect for 2008 - http://www.systemwars.com/forums/showthread.php?s=24d8d4c870f51... : miasma(&)

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• Was wondering the same thing....i expected to come in here this morning to a huge thread of random brawl ... : sreyes22
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  Make sure to sign up on GameWith.US: http://shackers.gamewith.us/wii/super-smash-bros-brawl : FushigiDenki
  • oh sweet i'll have to put my friend code on there after work : Mr.SEX
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  can you unlock all the characters by just playing a ton of multiplayer? i think you could do taht in mel... : Mr.SEX
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    Yes you can do the quick sploit that allows the fastest way for unlocks. play stamina mode + flower a... : Iwannaacura
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      yeah i'm guessing we'll all figure out what stages and items suck and just disable those : Mr.SEX
      • No fucking way. The annoying items are best! : OverloadUT
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      I believe that talking thing you refer to is Mr Resetti from Animal Crossing,and goddamn yes he's annoyin... : avatar_58
      • im sure it'll be annoying in the future, but the first time he showed up was pretty hilarious i thought : pandastrong
    • Have you ever played the original NES game with that blue flying demon? (wish I could remember the name) ... : DHAvatar
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      wtf is up with the 2 fairies that fly diagonally across the screen. that shit is annoying : oHnOES
      • Someone doesn't play Warioware? It's Kat and Ana. : djkenohki
    • how do you set health? : FushigiDenki
  • i think i saw something like that. check out gamefaqs. the one faq up there shows 3 different ways to u... : dantastic
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  5 hours+ of subspace? I've played co-op for 6+ and we don't have him yet. Eh? : avatar_58
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    5+ hours as in beating it, i assume its about that long I'm about 15% in after an hour or so of playing s... : multisync
    • yea it should take 5-6 hours to beat it considering the pace that i have gone. My friend said it took him... : Iwannaacura
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  man subspace is pretty long eh? it's fun though and i like the cutscenes. but the part where mario atta : dantastic
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    Actually it was the other way around wasn't it? Zelda was evil and Mario had to attack her. Then Link not : avatar_58
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      unless it happened earlier in the game, i have it right. mario came running up and punched the ground af : dantastic
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        nope. you are wrong. it happened the way avatar says it did. : Galadriel07
        • well the way i said happened at some point because i specifically remember it. either way lets have ... : dantastic
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        It can go either way. The very first level, it can either be Princess Toadstool or Zelda who gets turned : BlackCat9
        • Oh right right right, I almost forgot. ;) : avatar_58
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      Slight hijack: for anyone who has finished adventure mode, is there a theater option or something? Becau... : David Craddock
      • i have not finished it but im pretty sure you can rewatch them at the end because in one of the options m... : Iwannaacura
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  Subspace is like a platformer for people that are new to video games. I'm at 35% or so and there has bee... : pigvomit
  • I'm playing on hard and it gets damn tough in the subspace areas. Those big fucking guys are a pain with ... : avatar_58
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    What difficulty are you playing? My friend and I were doing it on "Very Hard" and it was a pretty decent ... : OverloadUT
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      Oh, just standard difficulty. It's more boring than anything. The story is wacky and presentation is co... : pigvomit
      • Well there's the reason you think it's for people new to video games; you're playing on difficulty 2 of 5... : OverloadUT
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  god damnit where's that UPS man! : inc77
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    just buy it from a store and return the copy you get in the mail. i havent seen this sold out anywhere : dantastic
    • i agree, just buy it from any store then take the copy from ups and return to store. All the same upc jus... : Iwannaacura
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  Anyone know if we can do tournaments online? We should try to set one up. : aethyr
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    i'm curious if everyone who has this has an XbOX too. So we could setup a channel on XBL to voice chat t... : multisync
    • lol @ workaround for crappy Wii online component. : FormerHPB
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      I was thinking either that or we could use Teamspeak. I don't know how many people have laptops or desk... : Galadriel07
      • I play my consoles off my computer through a TV tuner (don't have a TV of my own) so I'm always by the co... : DHAvatar
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      I do not have an Xbox, but I'd be willing to pick up a headset if someone could recommend a cheap one. : aethyr
      • I just realized that other people may not have their PC and Wii near each other... hmm :/ : aethyr
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      I would make a Pc vs. console statement here but I am feeling nice today. : hirosushima
      • oh but look, you did anyway!! wow! this is hardly a PC/console thing, it's just the Wii's online mult... : mikecyb
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      somebody has to have access to a conference call system lols : nyranger66
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        waste of cellphone minutes! not all of us have mom and dad footing our bills mister : multisync
        • unless you are all on ATT then its free minutes and i can talk to you : multisync
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          free nights and weekends asshole. : nyranger66
          • oh wait maybe not. Not like I use all my minutes every month anyways :( : nyranger66
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        I have a free number that takes up to 15 people right now. But i don't have your silly game, so I wont... : sharkII
        • lol saddest thing ever. man even the DS has voice chat what is this bullcrap >:( : mikecyb
      • https://www.yugma.com Bitches! Free, and I think it's allows for at least 10 people. : zakazi
    • I do, but I'd be fine with a MIRC channel, or skype. Or just the shack really, but I'm chatty mastar. : Boxelder
    • hey good idea : oHnOES
    • I do not own an xbox :( Steam group? : itsjeff9
• Be sure to add your tips/etc to the wiki: http://helpmewithmygameproblems.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Braw... : mancide
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  I unlocked Sonic last night by doing nothing but 4 player matches. I highly doubt we got to 400 games so ... : OverloadUT
  • the lolfaqs.com board some say it could be based on the ammount of running you have done.. but then ag... : Iwannaacura
• We unlocked Sonic & Snake before Falco (50 matches) just playing random/random matchesuntil we looked onl... : enigmatic
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  So is there a one place for all tutorials on how to play this incoherent mess? Also how do you unlock mo... : dilutedq
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    There are three common ways to unlock more characters and stages: 1. Play lots of VS matches. I mean ... : David Craddock
    • Also, GameFAQs is a good source for figuring out how to access all the unlockable goodies (and there are ... : David Craddock
• can you unlock characters by playing online? : choppp
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  i am clearly going to unlock things slower than everyone else because i think i've only logged like 4 ho... : dahanese
  • "Only"? Wow, I really must be either losing my touch or something. I played 6 hours yesterday and thought... : avatar_58
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    OMG LETS BATTLE! : multisync
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      oh shit yes. i don't think i'm home till like 10 pm tonight tho so unless you are up late it will have to... : dahanese
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        I'll be up for a battle then! : OverloadUT
        • mike will be home earlier, too. harrass him so he can set it up and send out our friends code and all tha... : dahanese
  • i'm the same way. i've got more than 4 hours in but ive only unlocked marth so far. trying to go throug... : dantastic
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  as a slight aside I would also like to express my love for Meta Knight in this post :D : mikecyb
  • I'm starting to get used to Pit. Though I keep going back to Pikachu as my main choice, as it was since t... : avatar_58
  • I'm loving his mobility and his fast, high damage hits, but I'm struggling to actually get KO's with him.... : Finestaut
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    I too am a big fan of Metaknight, although I think Pokemon Trainer is still my favorite. : OverloadUT
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      I like him too but ivysaur kind of sucks and squirtle is jumpy as fuck (but awesome). also I keep accide... : mikecyb
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        Oh man Ivysaur is actually my favorite of the three. I like his stationary-special move; that thing does ... : OverloadUT
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          I don't remember my password and also I don't know my friend code :P I dunno I have having issues gett... : mikecyb
          • Summoning ThomW! Reset this man's password! Then be not lazy and post your friend code tonight or I will ... : OverloadUT
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            i bet your password is "icantstopthinkingaboutcocksohgodilovethem" : Mr.SEX
            • holy shit that's it! man how did I manage to forget this? : mikecyb
          • all thomw ask is that you send an SM to him. also your friend code is in your address book when you go t... : dantastic
  • Bowser \m/ : DM7
  • Another MetaKnight fan here, too, but I'm still waiting to get a chance to try my other boy, Sonic. So fa... : BlackCat9
  • I'm loving Pit so far. Powerful, Incredibly fast and maneuverable, his recovery move is almost too good, ... : slax0r
  • Gonna have to go with Peach... Too bad her Final Smash is just horrible. : zakazi
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    Pit kicks ass. First one I played, and I think he is my default character now. : pigvomit
    • I played Pit first as well. Kickass, fast, strong, and hard as fuck to knock off. :-D : MacemanInTW
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  A question for anyone that has completed the SSE: Is there any penalty for saving and going back to the : skankcore
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    I never encountered one at all. The score remained unchanged for that "stage" after saving or dying. : Masem
    • It's not your score that gets taken away in SSE. When you die, the amount of coins and stickers you recei... : skankcore
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  I asked this before, but didn't see a proper response. How's the online play when playing peeps across... : dedgecko
  • When I got the game on Friday i had a horribly laggy match when playing randoms, but since its "official"... : itsjeff9
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  Sudden Death (300%) -- Vs. -- Cpu. My friend unlocked everyone in a matter of hours (couple with actua : ImageOmega
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    just set to stamina/flower mode set computers health to 1hp and its over in 1 second. : Iwannaacura
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      where do you set cpu health? : FushigiDenki
      • once you pick cpu you can slick their health and change it. : Iwannaacura
  • Hahah, that's classic. : zakazi
  • :-( that's cheating. : dahanese
• they are still playing. ER should be full of it by then :) : AroundTheFur1380
• I unlocked Sonic through Subspace Emissary... which was not worth my time (SSE not Sonic). : itsjeff9
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  Is it possible to actually learn how to play this game? I never got into smash for the N64 and all my fri... : dearjamie
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    all the moves are the same. watch the video tutorial in the options or watch youtube video. The only t... : Iwannaacura
    • wtf video tutorial? I never found that, nor mention of it in the manual. I need to look at this tonight : multisync
  • I'd imagine so. I had never played the N64 one when Melee came out. At first, my friends kicked my ass ... : slax0r
• Also you unlock certain stages by playing vs. mode for some many times. If im mostly playing online with... : itsjeff9
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  I haven't played Smash Bros since the N64 one, but is Donkey Kong a good char? : Xhost
  • he's stupidly strong, i almost beat classic with no continues using him (an amazing feat for me the noob) : multisync
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    They've done a fantastic job in Brawl of making pretty much all of the characters viable choices now. The... : OverloadUT
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      Olimar and Lucas/Ness seem pretty weak to me, but I may just not understand their strengths. Mostly, I ju... : BlackCat9
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        I can't figure out Olimar at all, but Pebby kicks major ass with Ness. He's a much harder character to ma... : OverloadUT
        • yea i havent totally figured out olimar yet, i know he has those little pikmin that do certain shit. H... : Iwannaacura
• GGs skank and erik (?). Kicked my butt. I've only played about 2 hours so far, gotta get back in my sma... : megarust32
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  Someone help a console hater out. Are these unlocks hard, or just hard to do in the first day? (r... : hawke
  • You're not meant to unlock all of the characters in one day. The whole point is that a casual player just... : OverloadUT
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    It sounds like you can't actually PLAY Sonic until you unlock it. That's TOTALLY lame. Unlocks shou... : hawke
    • beating the single player game is a lot like goat sacrifice : multisync
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      There are multiple ways to unlock every character. Every character can be unlocked simply by playing a ce... : OverloadUT
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        wait, wait... all the lists of "how to unlock X" that I have found where they have 2 - 3 steps are not re... : mikecyb
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          yes, just one. they have multiple ways because some people don't care about or want to do the SP and will... : pyide
          • holy shit my life just got like 1500% easier! :D : mikecyb
        • You are correct in your realization. It's either/or. : OverloadUT
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          Most of the lists are like that. The only exception that I know of is Toon Link, where you have to beat ... : Finestaut
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            Fucking toon link. I had just beaten SSE and Classic mode as Sonic and then we were duking it out and wer... : DrFlammable
            • I ended up having to play him 3 times on hard before I could beat him. I got smash balled once, and just... : MacemanInTW
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      Isn't this similar to, say, unlocking cars in racing games? : crummynz
      • or unlocking characters in fighting games? : pyide
    • Most of the character unlocks are pretty easy, and can be gotten in several different modes. You can pre : Finestaut
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      dude every fighting game ever has had unlockable characters with nutty requirements. also if you bought ... : mikecyb
      • considering how easy it is to do unlocks for this game consider the unlock process for Marvel vs Capcom 2... : Iwannaacura
    • Dude there are something like 35 characters. Man up and deal with that shit. : NastyJack
  • it's always been like that. you play the game, you unlock the characters.. and you have fun doing it. i... : dopeman
• Anyone up for some brawls? 2406-4786-1551 : cyclonebee
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  Do the matches that you play online count towards the number of matches that you need to unlock certain c... : allowat76
  • I read today they don't :( I hope that's wrong though. : aethyr
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  Everyone remember to update your gamewithus for tonight. i just added like 25 people. : Boxelder
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    When are the matches taking place tonight? Must have missed the memo... : cyclonebee
    • No time set, I'll be checking for people on all night. : Boxelder
• For all the unlock questions: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/code/928518.html : Vangoghs Ear
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  Anyone have any tips for the final boss, Tabuu yet? Diane and I have been trying and haven't gotten : BlackCat9
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    I was playing on easy and on my first try I got owned with meta knight and pit, but with Fox I got a supe... : DrFlammable
    • There's two or three waves on the aura of death :( I dodged the first one, then the second hit me and bla... : xsoulbrothax
  • I used Sonic (not a great choice, but I just like to use new characters so I got stuck with him), Pit, Ma... : slax0r
  • Game&Watch's jumping up smash when you get under him does some good damage, and makes it easy to dodge mo... : MacemanInTW
• I'm not done talking about Smash Bros yet! >:( : BlackCat9
• First thing I did when I picked it up a few weeks ago (Japanese version) I played through the Subspace Em... : MacemanInTW
• All I have played is online matches, can I unlock stuff just by doing that or do I have to play the singl... : jabuck

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• I'd be up for playing once notd665 and I beat the shit out of Army of Two. : mittense
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  yes : Jackass1233
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    for now or later? : Foxhawk
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      yes for later gonna take a post work nap, work was a crapfest today : Jackass1233
      • toilets particularly dirty? : Foxhawk
      • I cannot imagine taking a nap after work. I'm already depressed enough that there aren't enough hours in ... : OverloadUT
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  man I can't wait for the RTS game comes out that unifies us so I can slap some of you nubs around. : boomstickah
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    If CoH didn't do it, none will. CoH is the best RTS ever made. : OverloadUT
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      I like the game a lot, but I disagree with this on such a fundamental level. : mittense
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        I disagree with your disagreement. I think it's leaps and bounds better than any other action-RTS ever ma : OverloadUT
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          If you're only comparing Company of Heroes and Dawn of War then, yes, Company of Heroes is the best RTS e... : mittense
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            When I think about the best in the genre four games are really up there: Starcraft, Warcraft 3, Homeworld... : aeg1x
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              I approve of this list. So long as we're still talking about the action-RTS. If we're not I have to add R... : mittense
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                Fuck. And World in Conflict as the pinnacle of non-resource-based RTSs. : mittense
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                  And red alert. : razlebol
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                    C&C games have been superceded in every way by others imo. They're important historically but I don't thi... : aeg1x
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                      I've always felt this way as well. When I wrote up my unnecessarily lengthy series on RTS games I never f... : mittense
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                        I think I read a good portion of that and agreed with most of your points. Was that the 7 page long artic... : dkrulz
                        • One of the four parts may have been that long. It was unnecessarily lengthy. : mittense
                    • I agree. I didn't like the c&c serie at all except for both Red alert. : razlebol
                • I agree about both RoN and WiC. Every time I try to compare RoN to action-RTSs I just give up though beca... : OverloadUT
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                  I need to play the demo for this as I really liked Ground Control because it's resource less. : sigpro
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                    WiC is an amazing game, but be careful with your first impressions. It's very easy to hop on a server whe... : OverloadUT
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                      I usually stick to single player in RTS games. Never played them in multiplayer. : sigpro
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                        I've never actually played it against a computer opponent. It might be great. : OverloadUT
                        • it has some kind of single player campaign right? I don't even play them in skirmish. : sigpro
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            Way to misunderstand me. I was simply saying that this list only lists points related to DoW vs CoH. But ... : OverloadUT
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              I didn't misunderstand you. aeg1x has the right idea above, though. : mittense
              • I could concede that there are multiple games that all tie as "best", with the winner being nothing more ... : OverloadUT
        • Good list Overload, those are all really valid points. For me, though, the fourth point (combat micro) i : PenicillinX57
  • starcraft 2 : cdbeckman
• Me please. : Chepito.
• Teamspeak 5 MB download here: http://www.goteamspeak.com/?page=downloads Server IP is : 68.142.120.178... : Foxhawk
• good games so far : Foxhawk
• My OF won't finish downloading tonight from the looks of it. :( : mittense
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  I only have regular CoH and I've never played the multiplayer : sigpro
  • thats fine, you dont need the expansion to play : kill9
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  I am SO stoked for this patch on March 18....Lets hope Relic got it right. v2.300 03/18/2008 Online... : Concrete
  • - 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 Team Automatch enabled. I stopped reading there. Holy fuck FINALLY. : aeg1x
• Fuck it, I'll bite. Name is Moonbase. : Moonbase Commander
• still tons of shackers playing. : Foxhawk
• ok so how do I find you people in game? : sigpro
• Just logged on, let me know when you guys start a new game. : Head Rush
• awesome games so far, guys. : Foxhawk
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  ggs mittens, headrush http://www.foxhawk.com/Files/Images/thelastdude.jpg : Foxhawk
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    LOL! That's an awesome screenshot! GGs to you guys too. I still need to work on my British skills. : Head Rush
    • http://www.foxhawk.com/Files/Images/ohnoesV1.png this is an RTS btw :O : Foxhawk
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  Wait, you don't need OF to play with OF people, right? You can mix and match? : thane
  • yep : Foxhawk

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  He needs spikier hair, but aside from that, the look is pretty spot on: http://mauritskappers.com/wp-cont... : aaarrrgh
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    In fairness, it's raining. : red2lucas
    • Dax Wax? :/ : aaarrrgh
  • I've always wondered what that brown/red/blue colored thing was on Max. Is it a shirt or the inside linin... : pukerat
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  Clive Owen looks more like Max Payne than he does : spiderfill
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    I completely disagree. : red2lucas
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      http://images.google.com/images?q=shoot+em+up&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi : spiderfill
      • Exactly, he looks nothing like Max. : bam87
    • you have a disease of the right : scottythejock
  • Who is Clive Owen? : snuff
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    Even if that was true, Clive Owen is a crappy actor. : Jumperus
    • Oh My Yes. : Klebold
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      Yeah he was horrible in Children of Men. Oh wait he was awesome, never mind. : Sexpansion Pack
      • ^^^ this additional software is correct : deject
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    No kidding, Clive Owen not only looks more like Max Payne, he can also act better, and his voice sounds m... : tomatoactivator
    • I dunno, I'd say they're both pretty good actors with their share of mediocre/shitty films. But yeah, ... : Vincent Grayson
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      While Clive Owen is a respectable actor, Mark Wahlberg isn't exactly a slouch. The movies I've seen him i... : mittense
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        he seems to be a case of learning by doing. Started out as no talent, good for nothing performing crappy ... : Hoax
        • I thought he played his role perfectly in Basketball Diaries :( : ieGod
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          you cant deny that he was absolutely fucking awesome in boogie nights : -=kodiak=-
          • that was the first movie i was willing to accept his potential, he did very well in both departed and boo... : Hoax
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          I'd attribute it more to experience and direction. Same with Owen. He has his fair share of questionabl... : dopeman
          • Clive Owen is the same fucking trench-coat-wearing guy in every movie of his with the exception of King A... : K1Bond007
  • he was awesome as the assassin in the bourne identity : grabbie
  • bullshit : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  why are they making this a movie? lol the games should stand on their own. : Rigor Morts
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    A movie based on a game based on comics based on movies. : SockMonkeh
    • the circle is complete... : dedgecko
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    I'm going to get zinged for this but I think Max Payne is a game that lends itself to being made into a m... : Omaha
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      like do that trippy game level with the screaming baby and running along some line on the ground or else ... : kramweil
      • Oh yeah, Ravenholm. We don't go there anymore... : Omaha
      • Obviously, they would replace that rather obnoxious jumping puzzle level with some horrofic cgi'd "bad dr : hatelull
    • zing : kungfusquirrel
    • max payne is cinematic enough to be considered an art for just as well as a movie. i think delving into t... : flyingbags
  • These days they're calling it multiplatform "integration" and "synergy" in the convergent new media space... : Attica Blue
• I looked at the camera, a plastic and glass black hole sucking the motion and life out of the scene aroun... : Omaha
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  I think it's being filmed in Toronto - to think they're using a snow machine during a winter with record... : P-Squid
  • Snow fell like ashes from post-apocalyptic skies. : SockMonkeh
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  While Max Payne was an enjoyable game, I can't help but think the name "Max Payne" is horrible for a movi... : pilgrimage
  • I agree, but if it's done right you will forget about it once you get immersed. Just like the game. : mafu5150
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    Could be cool if it was done a la Sin City. : razlebol
    • my thoughts exactly : liquidlies
    • Yes, but then think of how many people here would complain after. "Its just Sin City with Max Payne in it... : bam87
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    what story is there really though. Cop with nothing left to lose. That's pretty much it. They can tak... : edgewise
    • There is a story though, as you progress through the game Max's story evolves pretty well and ties things... : Omaha
    • That could really be said about any movie really. The closest movie to it is basically Paypack. Guy just ... : Chod
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    they should have titled it "Lords and Ladies" : Lawgiver
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      My Lady! : SockMonkeh
      • My Lord! : DOOManiac
• And now I have the theme stuck in my head :) : mafu5150
• Unless it's a continuation of the Max Payne storyline, it's a waste. The games DO stand on their own wit... : kek
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  the source says that they are pushing for pg-13 :( wtf 13 year old kids have never heard of max payne : dantastic
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    more teens go to movie theaters than 17+ people. :( : kek
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      This is the correct answer. In terms of the "Powers-That-Be" in Hollywood, a PG-13 rating guaranteers mo... : hatelull
      • Oh, snap. Thinly-veiled console player attack! : SockMonkeh
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      and then they sit in front of you checking their phone every 5 minutes with the bright backlight :( : dantastic
      • yah... that annoys me to no end. Fucking put your phone away! : Shadowdane
  • Just like Die Hard 4 was PG 13. : pimpium
• Looks generic enough. : pigvomit
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  He looks like fat Lee Adama : tomservo
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    Marky Mark is usually pretty jacked. : gmd
    • only way to sell underwear. : Hoax
    • I don't think I've ever seen him not jacked. In Four Brothers and Shooter he was massive. : h o s t i l e
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  max payne go on an eating binge or what? not saying mark's fat, but max payne def had a much more gaunt ... : vassili_zaitsev
  • And way more constipated. : Bruzilla
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    Here's the guy who was the model for Max: http://www.flickr.com/photos/62264917@N00/2283653713/ Looks ... : voodooraze
    • Looks more like Mr. Payne here: http://www.jivemagazine.com/data/posts/1881/tn_pic1.jpg : MatthewPhillips
    • Both: http://perkman.bloguje.cz/max_payne_live_action.jpg : mafu5150
• the McNulty actor should have been Max Payne. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• close, but not constipated enough : filthysock
• I like the old Max Payne :( from Max Payne 2 : EvilDolemite
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  Sigh. Hollywood keeps doing this... The whole point of Max Payne is that it straddles the border betw... : qsylvr
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    well dont forget, Remedy gave hollywood the green light right? : not work safe
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      Remedy sold the Max Payne rights a while ago. : sigpro
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        Yep Remedy and 3D Realms sold the Max Payne IP to Take Two in 2002: http://www.secinfo.com/d12atd.31Rr... : Kristian Joensen
        • well then there you go, blame remedy - the creators of the franchise, not hollywood. : not work safe
  • don't worry the director did the remake of The Omen and Flight Of The Phoenix, so its bound to be awesome... : GloriousCow
  • how do you know all this? : JINKY
• looks like Mark Whalberg in a black jacket : derelict515
• Should have take Johny Depp. : Utopia
• I don't know how I feel about this : ColoradoCNC
• Awesome! Can we do the ball thing everyday? : notd665
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  Why couldnt they get the actor who played max payne in, well, the game max payne? : sch44cker
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    guys name is sam lake, he also wrote the story. would be too perfect if he played the role. : IrN00btastic
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      Is he an actor like walberg? : sch44cker
      • as far as i can tell, it sounds like he was just filling in when they had to due to budget. he does look ... : xsoulbrothax
• haha his face is so small : aeg1x
• they should make him eat nothing but cheese for two weeks before shooting : kill9
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  I started playing Max Payne for the first time ever, earlier today. I'm a bit behind in the times but the... : uglysad
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    Will you post your impressions along the way? Will you play Max Payne 2 also please? : dognose
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      I will play both. I bought them on steam for $15 total. I'll see what I can do about posting impressions.... : uglysad
      • Write about the game! That will be interesting. : dognose
  • You have chosen... correctly. And as dognose said, keep us posted! : mn3m0n1c
• Is nobody else concerned about his voice? Max Payne's voice set the tone more than anything, and I'm not... : snagger
• He could look more constipated : megarust32
• Max Payne? That looks like Markie Mark in the rain. : whodares

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  C/C/D/F/Z+ Weird, my scores said I was fucked, but then I got the same end result as Arcanum. : Trips
  • I just ran through and deliberately picked every wrong answer and managed to get an F as a final score. ... : Arcanum
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  C/D/D/D/A/Barring some unforseen cataclysm, you will survive and pass your your invaluable experience and... : perstephanie
  • I can only assume that some questions are more important to the final score than others? Or maybe his sc... : Arcanum
• B/A/B/F/Z+ Not shooting of Friends I guess... : Jonathan
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  The answers say that zombies do not feed on human flesh. Bull shit they don't! >:( : dognose
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    They eat human flesh (well, any living flesh, according to the Zombie Survival Guide). They're not susta : Arcanum
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      It really depends on your sources. It seems to think I haven't watched many zombie movies, but the real p... : perstephanie
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        Romero is the only accepted canon as far as zombie movies go but then even he contradicts himself and has... : NastyJack
        • Well yeah, that's the thing. He's mostly what I've seen. I guess most recent Romero trumps older Romero b... : perstephanie
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        Well, the whole running zombies thing for one, that's a myth, zombies can't run. They're dead! The 2004... : dognose
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          There was another question that asked what zombies eat. The correct answer, IIRC, is humans and animals.... : Arcanum
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            Yeah, in the Dawn of the Dead remake, they used the dog to get supplies to the guy across the street, sin... : dognose
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              There was a the panting, bisected dog at the funeral home in Return of The Living Dead. : wozzeck
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                Yeah that's the one I was thinking of. Hey how would you kill a zombie worm since they don't got no brai... : dognose
                • How could you even tell either is zombified? The worm is harmless, so let it be. The Guido, decapit... : wozzeck
• B/B/F/F/Z+ : NFXFSX
• C/C/D/F/A - I'm guessing my gun knowledge helped bunches here. : cerealSAM2
• A/A/B/F/Z+ : shred.
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  The music was too scary. I couldn't finish the test. : jahulio2
  • ^^Will be the first zombie snack. : h o s t i l e
• Physical: B Mental: B Experience: C Emotional: F Total: Z+ : dahanese
• Physical: B Mental: C :( Experience: D Emotion: F Overall: Z+, it would take a nuclear holocaust to... : jenisthebest
• Z+ : TastyWheat
• A/B/B/F = Z+ Personally I think some of these questions are too vague, like the "Which is best" ones. : wozzeck
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  C/C/C/F/Z+ What? I got bad scores but then the best final score? This test is stupid. : OverloadUT
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    I think an F for emotion is actually a good rating for survival by their criteria. : Psigun
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      Yeah it is, but it makes no sense that I got an F. I answered more than a couple questions that should ha... : OverloadUT
      • I think I should have gotten a D. I didn't pick the most heartless answer a fair amount of the time, yet ... : Psigun
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  B/B/B/F/Z+ : aethyr
  • Ditto. Actually just finished reading World War Z. : gnomish
  • hey that's the same score I got : MisterPhoton
  • Same here. : DOOManiac
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  some of the answers are bullshit. Zombies do retain memories, albeit very faint ones (they came to the ma... : GloriousCow
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    For zombies a 12-gauge would really be best, I think. It's a general rule of thumb that if you only have ... : wozzeck
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      The only thing I'd worry about with a 12 gauge is blood spatter at close range. Wouldn't want a droplet o... : Psigun
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        Paint-ball mask. Pick one up at the sporting goods while I'm loading up on deer slugs. : mn3m0n1c
        • Good call. A paintball mask with light cloth covering the vents would make great protection. : Psigun
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        I'm talking about a real-life 12-gauge, not a video game one where you have to be within dick-poking rang... : wozzeck
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          I know, I own one. When it comes down to it you'd probably encounter a zed at close range while scavengin... : Psigun
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            I'm not going to be carrying bird shot. : wozzeck
            • Well no, but that's all a lot of people would have immediate access to. I'd have to wait to scavenge for ... : Psigun
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      Shotguns have two major disadvantages: Range and ammo weight/bulk. Range can be compensated for by slug... : Arcanum
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        You're never going to kill enough zombies with a rifle for it to matter. I think you'd be better off just... : Psigun
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          Pricisely my reasoning, and shotty shells aren't all metal so the weight difference wouldn't be huge if w... : mn3m0n1c
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            At the very least it would pay to have an accurate .22 for killing small game. One of those .22s that bre : Psigun
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              For me (in upstate NY), weight's not too much of an issue 'cause my primary goal is to get to the wildern... : mn3m0n1c
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                Upstate NY? Hell, you don't have too far to go for the wilderness part. Well, I guess that depends on... : MacemanInTW
                • Of course I'd be pretty much proper fucked living in Taiwan. Being in the middle of a big city FTL. : MacemanInTW
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    There's definitely a lot of source material, I think that quiz drew heavily from The Zombie Survival Hand... : aethyr
    • Yes, it did. Most of the content there is reasonably good advice regardless of the particular type of zo... : Arcanum
  • Yeah and in the 1978 DotD the guy showed the other zombies where the false wall was. : dognose
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    A better argument for a rifle would be single shots force you to make each round count and avoid the temp... : gnomish
    • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=16452958 : wozzeck
  • I agree with you on that one. I picked assault rifle too. Rifles are generally single shot, so they tak... : Cottc Cid
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  On physical traits: How the fuck is being female not a disadvantage? I call PC shenanigans. : wozzeck
  • If you're a hot girl you have a good shot at some badass reaper of zombies guy taking you on and protecti... : Psigun
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    Nah. In any survival situation, zombie apocalypse or otherwise, knowledge, skill, and strength-of-will a : Arcanum
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      Being able to carry more supplies, move faster, climb a damn fence without help, hit harder and with less... : wozzeck
      • Again, most of those are minor considerations in a survival situation compared to knowing what to do, how : Arcanum
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  Z+ Heh, apparently I will suvive through 'numbness'. A fun, but flawed quiz - sure, a bike doesn't req : mn3m0n1c
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    I would go with a heavy aluminum baseball bat every time. I'm strong enough where I could bust a braincas... : Psigun
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      My plan: skewer 'em on the katana left-handed, then whack 'em upside the skull with my loaded bat! : mn3m0n1c
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        Now that would be badass. I'd be toting a sawed-off shotgun in one hand and a baseball bat in the other. ... : Psigun
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          Sweet - if we make it out alive, I'll meet up with you at the Rte 12 entrance to Adirondack Nat'l Park. ;... : mn3m0n1c
          • No doubt, we'd both be dual-wielding sweet weapons and have crazy blood-spattered hockey/paintball masks ... : Psigun
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      How many hits would the baseball bat survive, though? The human skull is hard. It's been known to turn ... : Arcanum
      • Aluminum is wonderfully flexible yet resilient stuff, especially when rolled into a cylinder. The 9mm rou... : mn3m0n1c
      • I don't know. It'd survive at least one zombie crushing I'd hope. How likely is an edged weapon to get lo... : Psigun
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      i went with crowbar because i will rename myself gordonette freeman : dahanese
      • That's actually one place where the quiz deviated from the Survival Guide. The Guide recommends a crowba... : Arcanum
      • A crowbar would be great for breaking and entering while scavenging for supplies too. : Psigun
    • Remember, the only surefire way to kill a zombie is to proclaim your need for teleporters at your locatio... : DOOManiac
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      i think the choice was machete/bat/crowbar/lead pipe. a crowbar is definitely the best since it has... : smax
      • There was also fire ax, I believe. : Arcanum
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    If the streets are littered with cars and you can't get through your dump truck won't be of much use. : Hello Kitty
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      Heh, I live less than 300 yards from a major highway, and a 12 ton DT will plow through a lot of Honda Ac... : mn3m0n1c
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        i hope you don't die whilst loading all that shit into it. : dahanese
        • That's what the shotty is for - and this is all within the first few hours, I plan to be well out of civi... : mn3m0n1c
  • This is where all the answers came from read it its a fun book http://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Survival-Guid... : hashd
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    That's great during the first few hours of the outbreak, but then what? A dumptruck will quickly become ... : Vantage
    • Well, my plan relies on speed to succeed - as soon as it begins I'm goin' for the truck, then stopping at : mn3m0n1c
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      What you're saying about the shotgun is only partially true. One of the nice things about shotguns is th... : Arcanum
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        The shell weight is very true and a concession I'd be willing to make. The common supply of 12 ga shells ... : Psigun
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          One in the chest will definitely knock 'em back and give you time for a better-aimed second shot. : mn3m0n1c
          • And a sawed-off shotgun would be way cooler in any post-apocalyptic environment than a rifle for sure. ;) : Psigun
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          The problem with sawing off the barrel and stock is that it dramatically reduces your range and accuracy,... : Arcanum
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            I'd running from anything that wasn't close enough for a sawed-off to kill. I wouldn't be in it to kill t... : Psigun
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              So I think the difference is that our strategies are fundamentally different. A rifle is probably way bet... : Psigun
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                I'm thinking eventually you'll want to hole up in some kind of fortress, at which point range will be you... : Arcanum
                • A rifle would be great to have at a stronghold ala the Dawn of the Dead mall on the roof where you have a... : Psigun
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            Yeah, no point in a sawed-off unless you're "up close and personal." My choice, readily available at my l... : mn3m0n1c
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              I think I'd go for a pump, personally. More reliable, easier to maintain, and just about as fast in trai... : Arcanum
              • True, maintenance would be a problem; I'll consider a good old pump-action then... : mn3m0n1c
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                I'd definitely go for a pump too, and it's what I have at hand so that's a plus. Unfortunately I don't ha... : Psigun
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                  Make a mental note of the location of your nearest sporting goods store; remember, always be prepared. We... : mn3m0n1c
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                    There are two sporting goods stores, a camping store, and a Super Wal-Mart within a mile or so of my apar... : Arcanum
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                      Unfortunately, the camping store and one of the sporting goods stores are in a mall.... : Arcanum
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                        Hmm, that's a problem for sure - you'll want to be well-armed before tackling that mall. : mn3m0n1c
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                          Fuck the mall. No way I'm touching that clusterfuck. I hit Gander Mountain, maybe Wal-Mart, and I'm set... : Arcanum
                          • Oh shi, you've reminded me there's a Guard Armory less than 2 miles from my place! I better get working o... : mn3m0n1c
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                      This thread is hilarious. It's something like 75% you Mnemonic and I debating over zombie survival strate... : Psigun
                      • inorite, it just keeps getting sillier and more elaborate! :D : mn3m0n1c
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                      See that, Psigun - this is how it's done. :D I'm lucky enough that the sporting goods store's in the same : mn3m0n1c
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                        I know, I need to have a zombie apocalypse survival map printed out and ready with all the best canned go... : Psigun
                        • Well you've made a start, and that's the important thing. Also, http://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Survival-Gui : mn3m0n1c
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                        Oh, that reminds me: In the same plaza as the Wal-Mart is a Sam's Club. : Arcanum
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                          Dude, you're set. Bulk food, lots of bottled water, more frozen burritos than you'll know what to do with... : mn3m0n1c
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                            I get the feeling you would fully welcome a zombie apocalypse with such a setup. Probably be fun! : marku5
                            • We're way too enthusiastic in our discussion about this for it to be any other way. Where's my realist... : Psigun
                            • TBH, I'm just makin' shit up as we go along; I've never even read the guide-book! It just started coming : mn3m0n1c
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                            Securing a CostCo or Sam's Club with a large group of people working with you would be a possible alterna... : Psigun
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                              There's a Lowes maybe a quarter-mile away. If you do it early enough, it could be looted for tools and m... : Arcanum
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                                Just think if it had a pharmacy to go along with the distillery. Hooch and painkillers for everyone! Woul... : Psigun
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                                  The Wal-Mart has a pharmacy, as does the grocery store in a plaza practically across the street. All thi... : Arcanum
                                  • If you had 10 people you could split up into a few groups and grab medicine, hardware for construction, a : Psigun
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                                Gentlemen, I present to you - the Town Square Mall! http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q : mn3m0n1c
                                • Oh, if we get bored, the building directly south of Sam's is a Barnes and Noble, so plenty of reading mat... : mn3m0n1c
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                                  Alright now we all just need to start Zombie Apocalypse Militias in our respective areas. Plus it has a c... : Psigun
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                                    I like it! I'll have to get started on a brochure - or perhaps a newsletter that people who are intrigued... : mn3m0n1c
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                                      We got E.R.'d We should make a new post there with another link to the zombie quiz. : Psigun
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                                        You guys will have to soldier on without me, I'm afraid - i gotta do some stuff and hit the sack, early ... : mn3m0n1c
                                        • Good night! :) : Psigun
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                                  http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=118173107481877999482.0004481fd8dce09695d41&t=h&z... : Arcanum
                                  • I like that the Sam's is a stand-alone building - no way for them to sneak up via adjacent storefronts, a : mn3m0n1c
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                            Hmm. Only one front entrance, IIRC. I'd have to check, but the rear is sure to be loading docks, which ... : Arcanum
                            • The only problem would be other people, otherwise it would be near ideal. If you could get 5-10 armed peo... : Psigun
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                              Yeah, lots of open space inside too - clean sight-lines. Y'know, there is a Sam's in that plaza opposite ... : mn3m0n1c
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                                Holy shit. I just realized that with some prep time, you could clear the center area and link all the ra : Arcanum
                                • I'd probably just climb up to the roof where we'd stockpiled as much of the canned goods, water, and supp... : Psigun
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                                Zeds are ultimately limited by roughly the equivalent of maximal human strength under the effects of adre... : Psigun
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                                  rough = roof. And Arcanum, your idea of making a secondary fortification with the racks indoors is gre... : Psigun
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                                    Yes, this is all good stuff - I'll make sure to put in the enlistment brochure for the Z.A.M. : mn3m0n1c
                                    • You can recruit for the Z.A.M.'s northeast branch, and I'll work on the northwest branch recruitment. :) ... : Psigun
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        Yeah, I'm figuring I'll be doing most of my shootin' from ~25 to 75 feet away. This is one place where fp... : mn3m0n1c
        • I'd strafe jump like a motherfucker around them : judge
    • I'd focus on fleeing zombies that were at long range rather than trying to shoot them all with a rifle. I... : Psigun
• B/A/A/F Z+ : Hello Kitty
• b/b/c/fz+ : AMikaboshi
• this quiz is lame, you could be a fucking zombie and still get a Z+ : sKetchflow
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  This thing gave me an A and said I would survive. I wouldn't. I would charge into the horde at the firs... : losder5000
  • ^^^ Zombie sympathizer. : mn3m0n1c
  • Maybe you took the quiz on how good a zombie you'd make? : Psigun
• A/B/C/F/Z+ : RobFlinn
• CBBFZ+ ah well... that'll do. : AbortedFetusChristi
• The author obviously read Zombie Survival guide : BingusLargus
• C/C/F/F Z+? wtf : jonin
• Physical Rating A, Mental Rating B, Experience Rating C, Emotional Rating F, Total Survival Ran... : sm00v3d
• B/C/C/F/Z+ : Cobaek

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  Steam Community. XBL is great but lacks clan/group support. I'd love to just join "ShackNews" instead of ... : node
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    Eh I prefer the Live way so I do not end up with 1000 lurkers on my list that I do not even know. : Evil Benius
    • It's Valve so you know it's going to get some top votes. : Pettytheft
    • That's what the actual friends list is for. Plus it varies between communities too. The only way I'd like... : Autocrawler
    • ^^^ ditto : ThomW
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      you only get 1000 lurkers in the community group, your friend list itself is all manually added just like... : re4ctor
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        Which is why I do not see the point of adding the group. I mean I guess I could see it not hurting if it ... : Evil Benius
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          you can use the groups to coordinate things. Haven't you ever got an announcement pop up about a shackbat... : aeg1x
          • I have seen them yeah. I guess it is just a difference in communities though since on the 360 we are play... : Evil Benius
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    The only real community we have on steam is on the TF2 servers. The chat room is always empty unless the... : Horn
    • I would think this would be different for actual established clans. kind of like a private irc room. : anhero
• 360 is definitely the best due to ease of use and the features it gives you to easily get games going wit... : Evil Benius
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  The x360 doesn't provide matchmaking, it does however provide a great platform for matchmaking. I do mis... : chazums
  • ASE4lyfe : anhero
• PSN surprises me in that it's been however many months since launch now and Sony still haven't got anythi... : Daggoth
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  friendcodes, no chat, FTL : dantastic
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    I think faster-than-light travel is a fair tradeoff. : Lone Swordsman
    • spin up the drives! : dantastic
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    Why does Nintendo have to be so stubborn? : ieGod
    • because they will die in a direct comparison, so they have to distinguish themselves? : Klebold
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  I really think that Steam is probably giving the best multiplayer experiences currently. I think integrat... : geedeck
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    the only thing that bugs me about steam is the lack of join a friend in a 3rd party game. for instance i... : dantastic
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      Yeah there's not much of a reason they couldn't support this for any game that has command line join comm... : aeg1x
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        it's probably more a problem with steam communicating with their master server but if theyre going to rel... : dantastic
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          They've already got this going: http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&id=1423 So hopefully... : aeg1x
          • i was thinking more of forcing a game to have their features if its going to be released on their platfor... : dantastic
      • well, now that steamworks is out there free, there's really no reason game developers cant implement this... : feek
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    Steam bothers me though in so many ways. Its come a long way, but simple things that were integrated into... : boomstickah
    • also, I <3 battle.net Its awesome. Its just for a couple games tho :( : boomstickah
    • I LOVED that ET:QW stored passwords for servers. Great feature. : crummynz
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  Well the PC for multiplayer. I see no value in matchmaking, I also don't see much in this "it just works!... : SpaecKow
  • Oh yeah, and everything is FREE. : SpaecKow
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    IAWTP. Plus, as previously mentioned, Steam Community-takes about 30 seconds to organize a match with fri... : Autocrawler
    • Yeah the only thing that sucks is that you can't bring up friend chatty in every game, but then most non-... : SpaecKow
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    Halo and CoD matchmaking allows you to get a group of friends together and just hop from game to game, no... : chazums
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      I wonder if Vegas 2 is going to have COD4/Halo matchmaking or be more like Gears/Vegas 1. : marmite
      • I would love if it was like CoD4 or Halo for those times when we do not have a ton of people to fill our ... : Evil Benius
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      Yeah see this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about - I just can't relate to this kind of argume... : SpaecKow
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        When you have 8 people you are playing with it is a pretty huge hassle to find a server everyone can join... : Evil Benius
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          With eight people you can half fill a TF2 server just by yourselves, and then stack the team once people ... : SpaecKow
          • Not true. Random PC servers can stay barren for hours at a time. : Fred Garvin
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        Ok say you and your 4 friends want to find a game of TF2 - how do you go about it? In COD4. You would ... : marmite
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          Plus when you've finished you all return to the same lobby so moving around is much easier too. : chazums
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            you could just do a group steam chat for the same functionality, including the voice : aeg1x
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              It doesn't automatically join everyone to the same game, does it? : chazums
              • nah you have to press "click here to join" : aeg1x
      • By yourself is one thing. When you have a big group of people you want to keep together, Live easily tru... : FormerHPB
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        this is where you lose. : cdbeckman
        • No I don't lose. I don't lose at all, I play multiplayer games in a group without hassle all the time. : SpaecKow
    • it's a tradeoff I guess. You can't really do matchmaking with dedicated servers unless you can convince p... : aeg1x
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    So if you've experienced it, are you satisfied w/ UT3's browser? : geedeck
    • Oh, haha I get it. I will concede that bad games on PC will have bad interfaces for internet play, yes, c... : SpaecKow
    • I just dont get how they fucked it up in every UT since the original, UWindows was amazing as was the ser... : node
• i like steam. xbl looks great but i haven't gotten around to signing up for my own yet, and i'm hoping th... : xxiv
• Xbox live hands down. I'm still in awe of just how slick it is. : FormerHPB
• PC, I've been using the built in lobbys in pc games for many years and don't see a problem with it. It's ... : samduhman
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  Xbox Live is the best and worst. Slick as hell but it gets real old being called a fag. : NeoMoose
  • so you post here? fgt. : Fyunch Click
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    That's not necessarily a fault of the service though. That's the community. I think the problem is that... : Wombat Woo
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      if no one reports them, then what can MS do? Half the turd burglars that talk that way on live have 5 sta... : Fyunch Click
      • Hence why I said that it overall has been accepted which is why they are not reported. The person either... : Wombat Woo
      • The reporting system doesn't work that well. : cdbeckman
      • My first and only foray into Live ended with me issuing low ratings to EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of my team on ... : Finestaut
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      Polcing that behavior would be really hard. You basically would have to record all voice chat and no one ... : Evil Benius
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        I was thinking something more along the lines of secretly monitoring public, NOT PRIVATE, games. Just a... : Wombat Woo
        • I think chat being text makes that a lot easier for WoW. You are right though if they just started random... : Evil Benius
        • Public channels decent in WoW? I don't think you've ever played the game before. The very first thing you... : Chod
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    xbl needs an enemies list. : re4ctor
    • it does have a "prefer to avoid" player list, so you wont be put in matchmaking with them. : Klebold
    • Avoid player works really well. : mancide
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    What else can we do? : FormerHPB
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      we cant do crap. voice chat has killed multiplayer gaming for me. at least you can ignore typed stuff i... : NeoMoose
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        I was kidding... The answer is to party up with shackers. It's pretty damn funny playing with shackers,... : FormerHPB
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          you would have had more fun playing NHL '08 against me :( : PapaBoo
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            lol! Sorry, but we had a full party playing COD4 and I stayed up too late playing. midnight. :( So ti... : FormerHPB
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              i know. I played three games alone and logged off at 11:30 and saw you were still playing. maybe this w... : PapaBoo
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                i was playing smash bros. i'll try to get on sometime this week ;) : dantastic
                • i sent you a friend request I believe PapaBoo '08 -- I'm ready when you are : PapaBoo
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          ok, rephrase, voice chat has KILLED playing on pubs. : NeoMoose
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            don't wear your headset in pubs? That's what I do. : marmite
            • rephrase. i pine for some jackassery on pubs. when you had to stop playing to type, people seemed to on... : NeoMoose
      • it's awesome when youre playing people you know. with a game like army of two, it'd be pointless playing... : dantastic
      • How is it that bad? I usually just mute the few tossers that do show up, but it's rarely the majority. : geedeck
      • I don't understand this point of view. I can't stand most of the people that talk on Xbox Live but, that ... : mittense
      • Just turn it off. Problem solved. : Fred Garvin
  • IMO the lack of push-to-talk is a big reason for this. Some people just talk a lot of shit when they play... : wasylm
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    PC games are just as bad. Counterstrike, anyone? : Sexpansion Pack
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      D-O-T-A : geedeck
      • Exactly! still love that game though :) : Sexpansion Pack
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        Possibly the worst gaming community ever, but so much fun. : Head Rush
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          Nah, that'd be the 360 community. ;) : wytefang
          • Can you imagine if DOTA had voice chat? : Head Rush
    • There are some PC games which are notoriously bad at attracting people like that, but the last couple of ... : aaarrrgh
  • Halo 3 is almost intolerable because of this. : dirge23
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  Friend Codes are the worst system ever. Remember back in 97 when you were trying to connect to that Quake... : ConfusedUs
  • Ha I forgot about doing that! I didn't want to try to tab out and tab back in to type from a notepad so I... : Hello Kitty
  • I attribute friends codes to those stupid long PWs you had to remember if you wanted any sort of hopes of... : Demius
• Steam is amazing, X-box live is still the best for a group of friends who all just want to play games tog... : cdbeckman
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  XBL is awesome, especially when half your friends are PC illiterate. Steam is even better imo, but not ma... : bozer
  • the others are not even worth mentioning, thats how bad they are : bozer
• gathering stone in wow :p : dfz0r
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  XBL owns atm. You cannot beat the service, those who think something else is better just because it's fre... : Vash108
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    Totally disagree - voice chat is insanely over-rated - if that's all you feel XBL has going for it then y... : wytefang
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      I completely disagree that it's overrated. A multiplayer game at this point feels like it's lacking somet... : mittense
      • Nah, I play and am able to have a great time without it, that shows me that it's not a necessity by any m... : wytefang
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      Voice chat makes playing team based games 100 times better. Also, the integration into every 360 title ma... : Fred Garvin
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        You obviously haven't met a majority of the XBL community. Have fun with those guys and be sure you keep... : wytefang
        • It's nice that you can have a good time no matter what, but I love voice communication in games. If peopl... : mittense
        • I've been on Live since the first beta. 99% of the time I play with friends so the "yo mamma" jokes are p... : Fred Garvin
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          any game with voice chat is going to have its share of idiots out there. Xlive is just so easy and widel... : FormerHPB
          • OH, that's what it is! Yeah, okay. : wytefang
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  Ideally, I'd like to take the PS3's user interface and Xbox Live's feature set (and I don't mind paying $... : mittense
  • I really don't like the XMB :( : Fred Garvin
• Steam works best. It has your "standard" features such as cross-game invites, friends lists, achievement... : FushigiDenki
• 360 because it works about the same way on all games : gyokuro
• Using a PC program like Xfire or Steam's community is pretty slick as far as finding your friends/joining... : Jayx77
• I haven't seen anything better than XBL. They nailed it. : virus
• Live is the best hands down because it's mandatory and integrated into all games. Leaving out the usual c... : Fred Garvin
• Steam is the best IMO. It's got potential to be even better too. Live comes in 2nd. Nintendo is the worse... : K1Bond007
• Relic Online is the worst. It takes forever to find a game if you aren't playing with Shackers, the serv... : Head Rush
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  qspy 4 life : rosewood
  • I used to chat in the qspy chat all the time (Before it went to gamespy) : pun][sher
• Best to worst? 360, PC, PS3, PSP, Wii/DS. : pigvomit
• Steam/Xbox Live and then everybody else really. : kainen1
• the only matchmaking i've used lately is XBL. it's pretty good but it could be better. like... if they... : cpt_gloval
• Who ever decided that Friend Codes were a good idea should be, raped and skinned. I don't care what orde... : jabuck