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  We haven't had a DVD-HD-DVD-Blu-Ray catfight in a few days. I think we're about due. : Silent Sorrow
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    HD-DUD IS HD-DEAD FGT BLU RAY FOR LYFE : deveus1
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      Come on, someone needs to pretend to care about format wars with me =( : deveus1
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        What about MP3 vs WMA? FLAC vs Apple Lossless? : crummynz
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          MP3 > all. FLAC is for linux nerds : deveus1
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            Lossless, dude. Unless you want to re-rip your entire collection at some point, choose any lossless forma... : crummynz
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              It will give me something to do in my shithole of a life. : BoKnows
              • Cheer up. At least no-ones pregnant. : crummynz
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        Honestly I don't care I just want a winner and a media push so we can start getting that content. : ieGod
        • Yeah, i'm honestly in the same boat. I have a PS3, but I haven't bought a single HD movie until this whol... : deveus1
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    My point was not to start a fight. We all heard Blu-Ray beats HD-DVD 2:1, 3:1 whatever:1, and when you lo... : mancide
    • I know. I was just kidding. (It will likely become a fight anyway, no matter how innocently posted.) : Silent Sorrow
• The new media formats will not beat DVD in sales or rentals for a number of years. : metalremains
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  I can't help but feel like we'll only have $35 and $40 Blu-Ray movies once HD-DVD is gone. : malloc
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    Are you aware that standard retail HD DVD prices are about the same right now? In time prices will fall ... : Prozium
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      you can get some HD movies on both formats right now for $20-$25, and take a look at amazon the majority ... : malloc
      • But Amazon.com pretty much always has 20% or more off the retail price of movies...I don't think that'll ... : Vincent Grayson
  • you will - for a while, but like anything else electronic they'll come down in time... regular DVDs we... : flagg209
  • then they are shooting themselves in the foot. Few people are going to want to pay that premium for only ... : edgewise
  • I agree but it may not be that bad, since they'll still be competing with standard DVD : MikkleThePickle
  • That's already the standard price, but no one pays retail for movies. : Vincent Grayson
• Fuck digital distribution. Until the bandwidth issues are solved, it won't take over physical media. Se... : Tripps
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  there will be a tipping point eventually. Its hubris to really make any guesses on any form of new techno... : ultramega
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    it's funny you talk about a tipping point and then your own perspective. HDTV's let alone HD media don't ... : carnivore
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      thats why I said "eventually". How much longer do you think we'll be stuck with DVDs? : ultramega
      • I would say DVDs will be around for a long time. That big of a market won't just go away, and since most ... : mancide
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  I still don't see how digital distribution is attainable anytime soon. BluRay holds 50GB. I believe there... : shyguy74
  • they'll use smaller, lower quality files in comparison to what's on HD or BR DVD's : qwpeoriu
  • I can see HD downloads being OK with most people, they don't mind a few artifacts here and there and the ... : d fluke
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  BETAMAX4LIFE! : hashd
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    I had a BETAMAX machine. It was great. I've always thought it was better than VHS (we also had it in li... : trOmblyj
    • same. i had all my robotech and voltron episodes recorded on it. sad panda when the player died. : shyguy74
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      Beta was better than VHS in terms of picture quality. : mancide
      • And the transport was also more reliable and cause less wear and tear on tapes. : Fred Garvin
• With players only recently dropping to even 400, are you really surprised? Add in the number of people wh... : terath
• WTF? I figured after about 1 year of a new technology it would already be beating DVDs which have been ar... : baronzemo78
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  lol. I can't wait for this "looming Profile 2.0 fiasco" to turn out to be nothing and you shut up and don... : Bantis
  • Bantis you need to take Profile2.0gate2008 more seriously, it is going to be the technological disaster o... : veras
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    You don't think there is going to be confusion over "BonusView" and "BD Live"? : Fred Garvin
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      I think the bigger problem is going to be why my player I bought at Christmas of 2007 won't play this pro... : mancide
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        yea you're right. All my family and friends always watch the bonus features. or something. : Bantis
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          You know, if the shoe was on the other foot BR people would be bitching about it like crazy. Don't act li... : Fred Garvin
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            It is largely a non-issue though. The "online" features of every HDDVD I've bothered to use them on are c... : Vincent Grayson
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              You are talking about profile 2.0, but what about all those people with 1.0 players? Those people don't g... : Fred Garvin
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                I wonder how many people that is. I was under the impression that SA player sales were pretty low, that m... : Vincent Grayson
                • That's the part where it gets really murky. How many people buy a PS3 for game, Bu Ray or both? There mig... : Fred Garvin
          • its a non issue because of the above link. The players haven't taken off in the mass market, and thus it'... : Bantis
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        This is already happening.
        
        I get maybe 4-5 blu-ray players returned A DAY because customers say "they dont play some discs." If you look at them and say "it needs a software update" they just blink at you.
        
        People will be pissed.

        Jan 24, 2008 3:59pm PST
        This is already happening. I get maybe 4-5 blu-ray players returned A DAY because customers say "they ... : sludge vohaul
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      there are already 2.0 compatible discs out Fred. they play fine on even first gen players, you just can't... : diddlyd
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        Well it's Fred Garvin, crusader of justice (for anything he purchased). : Bantis
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          Hello, Mr. Pot how are you today? : Fred Garvin
          • I have an HD-DVD and Bluray player.. : Bantis
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        What about 1.1 content there Mr. Genius? : Fred Garvin
        • they play fine too, on 1.0 players. you just can't access the PiP stream. OH NO! : diddlyd
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  People who think they are going to see a shift to downloads instead of physical media over the next few y... : Boxelder
  • I do see a shift towards downloads, the question is whether people actually pay for them. : yemeth
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    I agree that physical media ain't going anywhere any time soon, but I don't think it's exclusively a mone... : deveus1
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      You know, as much as i think that downloading movies in an xbox live type service on my htpc would be nic... : trevis
      • You just burn the files, then you have a physical copy, or four if you want. : EvilDolemite
      • I have no doubt that there are lots of people that feel the same way as you, which I why I don't think ph... : deveus1
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  Do you not realize that this new Bluray version is backwards compatible? What kind of tragedy is it for ... : vigilante
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    I dunno, that all of the current stand-alone players except the PS3 can't upgrade? That all of the featur... : mancide
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      but all the players beside the PS3 is not very many and if the features mattered that much then HD-DVD wo... : vigilante
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        If the features didn't matter then why push Profile 2.0? The chart shows my whole argument, the consumers... : mancide
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          I didn't say the features didn't matter. They just don't matter much. They're nice to have but it is no... : vigilante
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            have any hd-dvd's made use of any downloading stuff? besides firmware updates? : hamachi
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              Transformers had little things you could download that would display information on the Transformers onsc... : mancide
              • that's not really that useful in my eye. I want new trialers, commentary, etc... : hamachi
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      for what? the early adopters who knew ahead of time what they were getting into? it'll be like dts fo... : hamachi
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        I don't think so. Toshiba had their stuff together so that HD-DVD early adopters wouldn't get burned by m... : mancide
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          BR had Sony and Sony had it's own movie studios on it's side. It also was marketed better, which once aga... : Fred Garvin
          • Yea, my other point, Sony had two studios that wouldn't have went HD-DVD even if every other studio did. ... : mancide
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            I really think its more they had the studios along with sacrificing its game division. The PS3 bluray pe... : D45hiz
            • You are partially right, but wrong in thinking MS would have left the living room. They are in it for the... : Fred Garvin
        • meh. new tech always is a mess. it's all pretty useless till it hits a walmart sale for $100-200. ea... : hamachi
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        I've heard this argument before and it's horse shit. How many people that bought DVD players even knew DT... : Fred Garvin
        • I remember clearly the confusion about DTS and progressive scan in the early days of DVD. I had the orig... : hamachi
    • OH GOD ITS A TECHNOLOGICAL DISASTER OF MAMMOTH PROPORTIONS!! : Bantis
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    Aren't there people that buy certain DVDs because of the special features? : deveus1
    • Yea, a minority audience : Bantis
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  LOL, waaaaahhh, I hate Blu, waaaaaaahhh why can't Toshiba build a giant wooden badger with $5 HD-DVD play... : baronzemo78
  • hahahaha : Bantis
  • lol.. nice : Edges
  • Except I'm not crying that HD-DVD lost, I'm reiterating my point I've made time and time again. Neither o... : mancide
  • the giant wooden badger got me LOLing : yAak
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  I for one will never be a big supporter for digital distribution. I want hard copies of what I buy. I w... : Edges
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    for sure, when buying, I want hard copy, but for renting? holy shit give me digital distribution all fuck... : gameagog
    • Yeah, you RENT a movie like Inland Empire so you can be like "Heh, that was weird, k bye". You BUY a move... : snuff
• Blu-Ray will never outsell DVD, digital distribution will replace Blu-Ray by the time DVD is fading out. : FushigiDenki
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  i still think in 5 years digital will kill blu. : cpt_gloval
  • I really doubt it'll be even close to that soon. Maybe 10 years. : Vincent Grayson
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    There's just not enough bandwidth : Bantis
    • and look at music downloads online; they're still nowhere near hard sales, and there already is far enoug... : Bantis
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      that's a very "present tense" way of looking at it : cpt_gloval
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        I wish it seemed like it was going to change, but if bittorrent etc is already saturating these oversold ... : Bantis
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          Not really. Compression [h.264 brings us into a new general ballpark] , streaming, and more consistent ba... : PlanetPerfecto
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            h.264's compression is actually pretty noticeable in 720p with some fast movement. And when I say the 10 ... : Bantis
            • Yeah I hear you, I'm more talking about tech savvy people who have access to broadband. Really it's almos... : PlanetPerfecto
        • In 5 years, high-bandwidth proliferation will be great enough to drive the digital dist. market into high : FushigiDenki
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    tagged for 5 years later when this doesn't happen : deveus1
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      cool, shackmessage me in 5 years when blu still hasn't caught on so i can yuk it up a bit : cpt_gloval
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        It's not that I'm sort of bluray evangelist. I love digital distribution and buy everything I can through... : deveus1
        • I predict DVD to keep selling strong after digital distribution hits its stride in the mainstream. I don'... : cpt_gloval
• It's hardly a fiasco if, like you say, virtually no one has actually bought in to the Bluray/HD-DVD gener... : aeg1x