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New TF2 PC Maps, Achievements and 'Large Scale' Gameplay Shift Within 2 Months

by Chris Faylor, Jan 11, 2008 4:41pm PST

Related Topics – Team Fortress 2, , Valve, PC

Update 2: Shacknews is proud to present our hands-on impressions of the reimagined Badlands map.

Update: Valve's Robin Walker has clarified that the new maps will definitely hit the PC, but are undecided for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of Team Fortress 2, which are only available in The Orange Box.

Original Story: Two new maps for Valve's Team Fortress 2 will hopefully arrive within the next two months, the studio has informed Shacknews.

One of the new arenas is a remake of Team Fortress Classic's Badlands map, with an emphasis on more vertically-oriented gameplay due to the presence of control points on towering spires.

"Our estimate is that both these maps should be out within the next 2 months," Valve employee Robin Walker told Shacknews. "We expect to ship other new content before that."

That other content includes the forthcoming Medic achievement pack, which will add several new achievements for the Medic as well as a significant gameplay tweak for the class.

"It's a large scale modification to the core of the game," Walker hinted. "It'll debut in a limited fashion through the Medic first, but it'll be affecting all classes eventually."

"We're really looking forward to the community reaction," he continued. "We're really excited about where TF2 will be going over the next year."

For further details on the new Team Fortress 2 map, check back with Shacknews early next week for our hands-on impressions. In addition, there are some brief TF2 Badlands impressions in the latest Shacknews ShackCast.

Unfortunately for TF2maps.net user Buster Charlie, today's news comes hot on the heels of his recently announced Badlands remake.

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What the heck happened to Team Fortress?

How in the world can you take one of the best CTF maps of all time(Badlands) and implement a boring progress bar CP system?

Why are there only six maps, and why are five of them CP, with only one as CTF? Why are there no actual fortresses except for 2Fort? When did this game become "Team Open Area Control Point"? Why are only 4 of the 6 maps decent? Why is it taking all this time to get two more maps out?

Where are the fortress maps like Rock2, Well, Canal Zone 2? Where is the actual deep control point play ,where you have to take a flag from your base to the cap point, creating random control points that provide more exicting and deepr gameplay, not to mention teamwork? Why is Valve enamoured with static control points with porgress bars rather than teamwork oriented "bring the flag to the CP" action?

Why does Valve feel the game needs a core modification? I thought this was one of the most playtested games of all time. Why does it feel like vAlve are playing a different game?

Why are there only 1000 people online playing this game right now?

We know why.

Valve, you are dropping the ball. The casual gamers have left, and you continue to ignoe the hardcore Team Fortress fans.

BRING BACK the "fortress" in Team Fortress. Man you guys completely ruined a beautiful thing. The game engine you built, along with the artwork and voice work is brilliant. Too bad you ruined it with the worst maps Valve has *ever* released, hands down. Think I;m wrong? Look at the large number of people who have completely bailed on this game. TFC was far more popular at this point due to superior maps. You insist on this absolutely benign and geneirc progress bar CP gameplay that has already proven to be a failure in non attack/defend maps (see Well and Granary).

Shame. Absolute shame that such a beautiful game engine has failed thx to stubborness from Yes-Men and fantasy-based office playtesting.

When will Valve get back to making great maps? Remember TFC and HL1DM,anyone? Brilliant maps. Every single person I have talked with who has left TF2 behind has stated the lack of gameplay modes and maps are the reason why.

Jan 11, 2008 6:42pm PST

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How the fuck did i end up in here.

Jan 20, 2010 8:39am PST

How the fuck did i end up in here. : OMGzImBurning

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How about some new Counter-Strike Source content instead? As popular as TF2 is it's still has a tiny, tiny fraction of the player base (checkout Gamespy Server stats for evidence.) To put this in perspective, as of the time of this post, Wolfenstein Enemy Territory is pulling in the same player count. Pure speculation but I wonder if it grates on Valve's nerves at all that to date their most popular game wasn't even really made by them. Wouldn't surprise me if they try to start phasing out all CS support in favor of their own newer projects regardless of their community adoption. They've already started with this a little by putting ads into CS 1.6 and ignoring community requests for bug fixes and VAC updates.

Jan 11, 2008 3:57pm PST

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My predictions (some or all might or might not happen):

1.) Each map is able to both be CP and CTF. The server admin will have the ability to control this.
2.) Grenades optional.
3.) MAYBE a voting system to control options.
4.) Classes will gain stuff that was present in earlier versions (ie: sickness for medics)
5.) LOTS of cool map remakes along with some new ones. (therock plz!)

Jan 13, 2008 12:38pm PST

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  - LOL, infected players. Ugh. : OMGzImBurning

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Anyone else been wanting a remake (exact remake) of 32smooth?

Jan 19, 2008 11:25am PST

Anyone else been wanting a remake (exact remake) of 32smooth? : Eclipse^

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I worry. One of the reasons I never got into MMORPGs is that I hate gameplay tweaks, especially "massive" ones. I hated learning how to play Guild Wars to only have to login and learn how to do that shit all over again.

Jan 15, 2008 6:05am PST

I worry. One of the reasons I never got into MMORPGs is that I hate gameplay tweaks, especially "massive... : rosewood

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Damn Valve just gets it. They stay true to the core gameplay and classic aspects that people loved and yet they create new stuff at the same time without ruining anything.

Jan 11, 2008 6:58pm PST

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New TF2 Maps? Can we get another "The Hunted"?

Jan 13, 2008 12:17am PST

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  - ella ella ey ey : ghostdad
- YES PLEASE!!! A HUNTED MAP WOULD BE AMAZING!!! : g000n
- No hunted love? : g000n

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I bet Valve has played CoD4 multiplayer and said "hey, those perks and other unlockable things are pretty fun. Let's add those to TF2!". And yay, it was done.

And if it wasn't/isn't then some mod team needs to get on that now. I still think it would be fun and if I knew how to code I'd do it.

Jan 11, 2008 6:42pm PST

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Rock2 and Canal, I want these maps damnit!

Jan 11, 2008 2:28pm PST

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    You mean CP'd? :( I somehow doubt valve would entertain the idea that their playerbase could handle th... : Beady
    - LOL. Yeah that "solid" progress bar gameplay. : boulder94
    - Oh god damnit if they made Rock a CP map I would fucking murder their families. : the city
- And not in gayass ValvePoint(TM) versions. The *real* Rock2 and CZ. : crazypsycho

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"It's a large scale modification to the core of the game," Walker hinted. "It'll debut in a limited fashion through the Medic first, but it'll be affecting all classes eventually."

Didn't they say that class specific achievements were coming and that the Medic would be the first to get them? I don't have a link handy but I am sure that's what Walker is on about here.

Jan 13, 2008 11:30pm PST

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Hell yeah. Fuck Capture the Flag. It was lame in middle school gym class, and it's even lamer in FPS games.

Jan 12, 2008 10:41am PST

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      But I mean that takes what, 30 seconds? And in the control point mode you have similar sorts of moments, ... : thesubtlesnake
- I don't know what middle school gym class you were in, but it was fucking awesome at my school. : lookitzpancakes

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I almost want to compare this to WoW class update patches. Hopefully instead of nerfing any one class they improve all classes.

(detpack detpack detpack detpack)

Jan 12, 2008 12:33pm PST

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- oh god yes detpacks. I forgot about them. Another nice thing would be the old sentry arcs. It doesn't see... : dafugg
- Demo can have detpack if they take a strong nerf in regards to their other abilities. As it stands tho... : the city

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"It's a large scale modification to the core of the game," Walker hinted. "It'll debut in a limited fashion through the Medic first, but it'll be affecting all classes eventually."

Damn... any predictions or speculation to what this'll be? I'm stumped. Looking forward to it though!

Jan 11, 2008 2:01pm PST

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One of the new arenas is a remake of Team Fortress Classic's Badlands map, with an emphasis on more vertically-oriented gameplay

Awesome, hope it still has the canyons and deep pits, that was one of the coolest aspects of that map.

Jan 11, 2008 2:08pm PST

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    At least, there are canyons and deep pits. I never played the original, sorry :( : Chris Faylor
    - good god man... how do you live? : malloc
    - :( this is very sad : Iwannaacura
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For those looking to play old school Team Fortress and not Valve's new incarnation; I recommend downloading the excellent Fortress Forever mod for HL2. Each map from Team fortress has been masterfully recreated and will definitely bring back some memories!

Jan 13, 2008 6:21pm PST

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you know what would be cool? a Bombing Run style map.

well, at least it'd be good for a laugh once in a while.

Jan 13, 2008 10:07am PST

you know what would be cool? a Bombing Run style map. well, at least it'd be good for a laugh once ... : deject

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Control points are awesome. Especially the ones that can't be recaptured. When I play the game, I like to feel like something is actually happening. I don't have as much fun on the CTF and re-cappable CP maps, because it just degrades into a constant back and forth. More maps like Dustbowl and Gravelpit would be very welcome here.

Jan 12, 2008 4:16am PST

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I like the crit system, they just need to turn them down on the rocket guy so that only 1 in 15 do ctrits, all other classes are fine. I think CTForts is the most boring map. ANd i bet the medic gets infection, which what it should have been all along.

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RIOT SHIELDS!!

Jan 12, 2008 4:59am PST

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I would appreciate some sort of reachievable achievements. Achievements are a one shot deal, you kill three people in one shot, you get it. It'd be cool if you get a temporary bonus for doing something cool in game so you have some motivation to do it again. Kill three opponents in one shot - your explosion radius is bigger for the rest of that match, for instance.

Jan 12, 2008 1:04am PST

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- that'd throw off the balance. level 1 players wouldnt be able to get anywhere : dantastic

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I'm hoping for more CTF and TC maps. CP is IMO "just for fun" and doesn't really shine as a teamplay heavy style of play.

Jan 12, 2008 2:19am PST

I'm hoping for more CTF and TC maps. CP is IMO "just for fun" and doesn't really shine as a teamplay heav... : MrGrindy

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I have great respect for VALVe in the way that they handled the making of TF2. It seems there is a lot of discussion centering on old TF and new TF. It seems to me most people mean HL1 TFC and not the original QW: TF. I think this is why their understanding about the flavor of TF and it's newest translation is flawed. It seems to me that (while slightly different) TF2 has not only recaptured the zany whimsical fun of the original QW:TF but also designed a game that balances that special depth of gameplay as it evolves. There are very few traits I miss from the original.

Jan 11, 2008 10:26pm PST

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HAPPY IN THE PANTS

Also, what's with the "gimme a fucking XXX, Valve" and "stop fucking up fucking TF, fuck fuck fuck" shit. Don't you boys have a counterstrike forum to attend to?

Jan 11, 2008 11:26pm PST

HAPPY IN THE PANTS Also, what's with the "gimme a fucking XXX, Valve" and "stop fucking up fucking T... : [7]kami

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Coming to the 360 too? For free?

Jan 11, 2008 2:17pm PST

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Badlands :(

Now give me rock2 or the REAL well and we'll talk! :)

Jan 11, 2008 10:51pm PST

Badlands :( Now give me rock2 or the REAL well and we'll talk! :) : Omaha

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i wish they would bring the vip mode, i had so much fun with that

Jan 11, 2008 9:40pm PST

i wish they would bring the vip mode, i had so much fun with that : X-GOUKI

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Please have canalzon

Jan 11, 2008 2:51pm PST

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Oh fucking hell. Badlands was an amazing CTF map, and they are going to continue their love affair with battlefield style Control Points and fuck it up :/

What happened to the valve that released new maps with good gameplay and differing objectives? Now its just CP CP CP CP with the exact same deathmatch style of capturing. I miss my flags :(

The new gameplay changing medic thing sounds interesting though. Grenades?

Jan 11, 2008 1:57pm PST

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Hell motherfucking yeah!

Jan 11, 2008 1:53pm PST

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Badlands rocked, here's hoping it still does as CP gameplay.
One can only hope the other is a Hunted map :E

Jan 11, 2008 6:25pm PST

Badlands rocked, here's hoping it still does as CP gameplay. One can only hope the other is a Hunted map... : the_algor

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Badlands was my favorite TFC map :O

Jan 11, 2008 5:42pm PST

Badlands was my favorite TFC map :O : Chepito.

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PenicillinX57! http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=15674170

Jan 11, 2008 3:43pm PST

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pleeeeeeeeeeeeease let the other map be hunted.

Jan 11, 2008 4:00pm PST

pleeeeeeeeeeeeease let the other map be hunted. : marmite

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about time, i haven't touched this game in weeks..maybe months?

Jan 11, 2008 3:42pm PST

about time, i haven't touched this game in weeks..maybe months? : burning eye

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Good to see Valve still pumping life into tf2, its a fantastic game and i never want its cell shaded glory to end

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August or September, wow that is quite a ways away......... :/

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This news post scares the hell of out me!

'A large scale change' to one of the most intricately and perfectly balanced MP games I've ever played. A game that has only just one a whole bunch of awards...

Hold me shack

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