Valve Releases Team Fortress 2 Gameplay Data

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  It's going to suck when half of every team is playing medic. : aeg1x
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    Not for the spies. : ConfusedUs
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      I CAN'T WAIT! : Trips
      • If you're CaptTrips (or something like that?) I hope you die in a fire. Fuck you and your stealthy antic... : valael
  • Not if the other half are Heavies : Izanaki
• Maybe, I don't think that has enough legs to make an impact. I think the main reasons are the medic is ab... : Porkasaurus

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  Perhaps people staying on the same team as they were in the previous (non-2fort) map? I don't know what t... : johnsto
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    How would that, if true, manage to skew the results so dramatically? My speculation is that perhaps its a... : BicycleRepairMan
    • I agree I think it's something like that which when you think about it is pretty amazing because it proba... : yoshimi20
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      that is a super interesting explanation. i wonder how close to the mark it is. : barichnikov
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        Aye, interesting indeed. Valve did a really good job investing in all this stats collection. I'm sure it'... : code-e255
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          I'm pretty sure they hired the guy who made Argus for Quake back in 2000: http://www.slipgate.de/proje... : Porkasaurus
          • *WHY* didn't someone tell me about this in 2001. : dafugg
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      Thats a good reason, actually. The random door should be dead centre with red/blue on either side. : Beady
      • Maybe the side red/blue are on should be random? : jbury
      • Or when that screen comes up, the cursor should be on the random door. : AxeMan808
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  Also, if you look at the damage zone pictures, you see that 1 side has more damage than the other one. : razlebol
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    Relatively, everyone uses the door on their right at base entrances. : johngloid
    • Not necessarily. The death map does not distinguish upper/lower levels. If you're taking the upper level ... : hemphreys
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  CP Well has a similar statistic favoring blue. I think it can also be seen on the death density maps (htt... : kinnoch
  • I like the little dot of blue all the way on the left in the blackness of void. : boredguy
• When I'm playing on blue I have an easier time ambushing people coming across the bridge because I can hi... : Karnov
• Easier to See/Shoot Red Models than Blue? : ShadowRam

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  That is because most people likely do not now how to aim the syringe gun correctly, I can nail guys from ... : maldoror
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    Nailing guys from long distance, that's talent : megarust32
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      It's only good for putting pressure on people at range. It's not very accurate past ~20 game meters or s... : alias
      • I don't think he meant what you think he meant. : zehh
      • I was making fun of his choice of words : megarust32
  • The second part of that sentence is front page quote material. : The Warthog
• This probably has more to do with the nature of the medic class than anything else. If you're far enough ... : Gnerma

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• Fun? Rewarding? : Scoots06
• Aside from the dumb Friends based achievement I like them, it gives you a little something extra to striv... : zipperface
• Pretty sure adding achievements is about 1% the man time of making a single new map. As zipperface sai... : crummynz
• it gives you a false sense of achievement that makes you feel good. Also See MMORPG : gyokuro
• There are ALOT of good maps out there made by the community. Some are rehashes of old maps like WELL. but... : vertdang
• I'm with you, just doesn't bite me but I can't deny that a good portion of people love'em even though the... : Porkasaurus
• some customs maps are ok.. but still not designed well with all the classes in mind.. some maps Demo... : virtualsinner

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  2forts one is funny, um a bit of a sniper map. : yoshimi20
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    If the opposing team would put just a little more focus on the snipers then it wouldn't be a problem. Sen... : K1Bond007
    • Yeah but the 24 second respawn timer really makes people think twice about running into a potential heads... : Beady
• I find it funny how on the first round of Dustbowl, the ramp near the shed is a deathtrap but it seems ha... : DOOManiac
• It's funny to see that more people do indeed die at B than at A in gravelpit. I wonder if that's because... : Grumbeld
• I love how some people die in a very random spot out of the map on cp_well : M4DM9X

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• yes i had noticed that. You can hit frm farther than the other ranged weapons. : barichnikov
• Makes sense if you consider the range of the flamethrower : TheCubanSpy

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  That head of the class is annoying it seems bugged for me the numbers go up and down of how many I have g... : yoshimi20
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    are you playing on multiple computers? Head of the class took me forever to accomplish b/c i swapped betw... : kinnoch
    • Yeah I am I figured it was something like that, oh well. : yoshimi20
• For some reason, Valve has a number of ridiculous achievements across The Orange Box. I'm not sure why, ... : Chris Remo
• With the Head of the Class one, I'd like to think that's because more players are adapting to the game at... : DOOManiac
• dumb achievement BTW I don't see what's dumb about encouraging people to use Friends. : GilesH
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  What is dumb about it? Apart from you saying its dumb, which seems pretty dumb. : VuduChild
  • No u. : Johnny Law
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  I find World Traveler VERY surprising.. the game has been out 3 months and only 40% of players have playe... : Scoots06
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    Blame the 2fort only servers. Half the TF2 population is made of old-school idiots who can't let go of... : MrLobo
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      Yeah either that or the new maps are fuckin horrible. : AgentPothead
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        I think it's fine for people to have that opinion, but they have to at least play a full match in a map t... : OverloadUT
        • I got world traveler before I formed that opinion. For some reason I just don't dig the non CTF maps. : AgentPothead
• You've got to wonder how many people bought the Orange Box and never even really played TF2. : aeg1x
• dustbowl on pubs is engineer hell, so that achievement seems about right. : lowpoly

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• this is a great idea and would be really cool to use in the sdk. : kaddar0

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  I'd maybe leave that to a mod, or simply play ETQW instead? TF2 shines because of its simplicity. : Scoots06
  • agreed. : vertdang
  • Yeah, a mod was what I was thinking. Maybe not now but in 2 or 3 months when the shine wears off a littl... : mrwolf710
  • Exactly. ET:QW is good, but what makes TF2 more fun is the fact that you don't have this artificial de... : zehh
• this is unrelated but I think it'd be cool if everyone got increasingly more powerful towards the end of ... : kaddar0

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  think about how god damn boring the game would be if a majority of players went with defensive classes an... : xfoo
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    That's a good point. On the other hand, engineers have trouble competing with points, so why go engineer... : megarust32
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      because you rarely die (relatively speaking) while racking up tons of kills : johnny rotten
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        Deaths mean nothing in TF2 though, and I think 'tons of kills' is a little exaggerated. I don't think i'... : megarust32
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          death means nothing in every video game, but people dont like to die because dying is perceived as losing... : johnny rotten
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            What I mean is that they don't display the deaths for everybody else to see, that's why it means nothing ... : megarust32
            • I'm not really concerned with the number of points i have in TF2. As long as im preventing guys from cap... : kinnoch
            • well, not dieing for a long time (while getting a steady stream of kills meanwhile) means that you'll up ... : YamatoTwinkie
        • I sometimes top the list as an engineer on 2Fort. : Karnov
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      why care about points? : Grumbeld
      • Because it's displayed and supposed to gauge how well you're doing? : megarust32
    • Most points i've gotten is engineer. I think it's simply a matter of people not understanding good sentry... : Scoots06
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  I don't think either class needs actual gameplay tweaking at this time. As far as the handing-out-of-p... : Johnny Law
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    Not true for medics. You can just follow a good heavy around and rack up insane points. That doesn't re : coyoterys
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      Call it patience and paranoia then. The point is that there is some discriminating factor that makes som... : Johnny Law
      • And you may have a more narrow view than I of what "FPS skill" means. It's not just aim. All the patien... : Johnny Law
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  I dunno how the scoring completly breaksdown per points, but maybe when someone is credited with defendin... : coyoterys
  • I believe that you do get a point (or maybe 2) for each defense you are awarded. : Grumbeld
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  Engineers shouldn't be forced to sit in their base with the mousekey held down just to keep their gun ali... : Beady
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    Yep in TFC I'd run around the frontlines wacking teammates to keep their armor maxed. But alas, TF2 does... : coyoterys
    • But while your up in the front, enemy spies are waltzing into your base cloaked and sapping everything. :... : Beady
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    Yeah, I completely agree. I kind of like the spy sappers, but maybe they should find another approach be... : megarust32
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      If they just disabled the guns until shot off (by the enemy or friendlies) they would be much better. Wou... : Beady
      • This seems like a really good idea to me. Maybe I'm biased because I usually play an engineer. : Karnov
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    A good engineer deals with dispensers and teleporters first, then man's a sentry. It's all a matter of sk... : Scoots06
    • Yeah, sentry to defend tp+disp, I'd say. : crummynz
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  maybe get 1 point for every two teleports? : nyranger66
  • don't they already get 1:1? : Fayk
  • Ya it's 1:1, and no points if you TP through your own. : Scoots06
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  I think it's because people play those classes in stupid ways. Engineers are useless when they camp o... : aeg1x
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    Attacking as an engineer just leaves your sentry for spies to have their way with. Its not fun rebuilding... : Beady
    • But often, with a well placed dispenser, sentry, or even TP, the engineer can dictate WHERE the front lin... : Scoots06

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  I wish we could get some sort of statistical anyalysis like this on the shacknews server. I think people ... : Jackass1233
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    I really doubt they will differ from the numbers listed here. Shack servers are really just pub server... : alias
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      Do you play there? The shack servers are far from pub servers. The average random shack team would decima... : Jackass1233
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        I've played there often enough to know that there are only a few actual good players, like just about eve... : alias
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          okay:) : Jackass1233
          • he's right :) : dewdman
        • i don't buy it... : lodgiikal
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        Alias = firema451]. Yes, he plays quite a bit. : bcyde
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          Fucked by shacktags :( fireman [451] or some other number, but it's definitely fireman something. : bcyde
          • yes and he's right also. : italiano3d
    • I think you should take that back. NastyJack = the best demoman I've ever seen and I bet there are more ... : Q-ball
    • Well, not everyone on the shack servers is great, but they're far from a pub. I can dominate a pub and Im... : Hatrat
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    I'd say most demomen don't know how to use stickies very well. Demo's who can actually fight with them... : boredguy
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      Completely agree. Using stickies on the offensive seems to be extremely rare, at least on pubs. Spammin... : FlamingGimp
      • I agree with you... the sad thing is I find demomen boring because of the stickies. To me, there is s... : Toth21
• If they included statistics on defending capture points, I bet the Demoman would be at or near the top. S... : hemphreys
• Imho, a well played demo man is an unstoppable force, particularly when paired up with a good soldier. T... : Karnov
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  The demoman played well (with sticky bombs) are borderline OverPowered. One sticky can kill most classes,... : gnoleb
  • One crit sticky will instagib every class bar a heavy. One crit pipe will instagib anyone. Yeah, a... : Beady
• I wouldn't agree with that. I think it's a difficult class to get a handle on but is one of the most dang... : aeg1x
• When I play demo sometimes it feels over-powered. I can kill people with, for lack of a better word, pin... : mrwolf710

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• Er, should have been ^ : DinK
• I was surprised... I figured it'd be the scout. At least that's how it is for me. : Grumbeld
• yeah, but you can't (just) make them more powerful because their lifespan is so short because they are TA... : Fayk
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  I think my longest life is as a medic. I went a good 5 minutes in combat on Dust without dieing. : marmite
  • 19 mins as an engineer once. That was fucking boring. : ZombieAcademy
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    45 minutes as Soldier on 2fort. I was considering killing myself already : Izanaki
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      Errr.. if you're lasting that long, you might want to try a harder server : Scoots06
      • Or leave your team's basement. : zipperface
  • 37 minutes as a demoman guarding the intel in 2 fort. No one came down. : Grumbeld
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  I think it just illustrates how many people have learned to target the medic first, and also how shit eve... : deject
  • so true. Or the lone pyro or scout that runs straight through the lines at the medic, while no one cares... : itsjeff9

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• yeah you're right, that does seem insane, could be a bug : Chris Remo
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  hydro = sudden death hell : Beady
  • yeah but I'm pretty sure there is a hard time limit where servers will change map regardless of whether a... : aeg1x
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  1 round = 1 point A team has to beat the defense only point in order to end the round. If the teams ar... : razlebol
  • ^^^ It goes back and forth quite a bit. : ZombieAcademy
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  could be a bug, but remember a LOT of servers have instant respawn that we dont have to deal with on the ... : Demius
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    What does this have to do with it? : razlebol
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      Instant respawn makes hydro (and some other maps) unwinnable. The cooldown between killing defenders and... : qsylvr
      • Right, but in any case the map has an overall timelimit. I know there are some servers set up specifical... : Johnny Law
• Maybe it's because the map sucks so everyone leaves when it comes up so it stays on it much longer. :p : Speedy8

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• B is a tougher point to take. On the one hand you have long range killing outside of the shed (lots of sn... : Serpico74

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  No kidding. Once again we Engineers are forgotten. :( : coyoterys
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    like in real life... :( : Decepticon Matrix
    • not in Germany! (i think) : Enigme
• because of those damn spies! : Sailor of Fortune

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• No shit. We need more stuff like this. Kinda like webtrends/google analytics/log analysis for games. : zehh