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by Jeff "geedeck" Gondek, Nov 28, 2007 11:00pm PST

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Ladies and gentlemen, I bid you good morning. Things are looking pretty good around here, there's a fresh contest going on so bring your best writing chops to the table. I haven't had many chances to gather friends up for Rock Banding, but I'm glad those cries of busted guitars are being addressed.

So with the holiday gaming rush finally in control, I think it's fair to look forward a skosh. Post what game or sequel would you like to see announced in the next year. Give a bit of logic, no one really needs to be told Madden 08, but some justification of it's existence would be nice. I'll randomly toss out a Left4Dead t-shirt to someone tomorrow.

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1. Jeff Gerstmann of Gamespot writes review of Kane and Lynch for the Xbox 360 and awards it 6.0

2. Eidos, who has been and still is advertising the game heavily on Gamespot doesn't take kindly to this.

3. Gerstmann, after being with Gamespot for over a decade, is out of a job today.

I'd laugh if this wasn't so fucking tragic.

Nov 29, 2007 6:11pm PST

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1. Jeff Gerstmann of Gamespot writes review of Kane and Lynch for the Xbox 360 and awards it 6.0 2. Ei... : notd665
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- We all hate Gerstmann, but if that's not a coincidence, that's really fucking shitty. : skinlab133
- Jesus. Do you have any more info on this? : slax0r
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  All Gamespot credibility is now officially gone. : trOmblyj
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    They had credibility in your eyes? : DOOManiac
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      I'd say they are the only review site that has any. : lord cecil
      
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      Gamespot fucking sucks. Worst reviewers ever. : razlebol
      
      I'd say that IGN and Gamespy are much worse than Gamespot. : slax0r
      
      by worst reviewers ever I assume you meant reviewers that rarely get sucked into the hype. Yeah. I'm sure... : lord cecil
- Where'd you read about this? : dltrem
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  What is the shack consensus on Kane/Lynch? : PlanetPerfecto
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    In line with Gerstmann actually. : pigvomit
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      Is Gerstmann normally a very controversial game reviewer? I haven't checked what he's scored to see if he... : PlanetPerfecto
      
      Some hate him because he's not afraid to give a low score to fanboy favorites. : Dave-A
      
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      Well, he did give Majora's Mask an 8.3: http://www.gamespot.com/n64/adventure/legendofzeldamajorasmask/r... : AndyGoin
      
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      Maybe he thought Majora's Mask deserved an 8.3? Reviews are ultimately just opinions, after all. Hope... : slax0r
      
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      I agree that reviews are opinions, but the meaning behind "controversial" means you sometimes go against ... : AndyGoin
      
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      I disagree that he's obligated to be aligned with his audience. Maybe in so much that he enjoys video ga... : slax0r
      
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      He gave tony hawks pro skater a 10... : razlebol
      
      I don't think that matters. : slax0r
      
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      If his evaluations of the quality of games doesn't tend to be roughly similar to the evaluations of his r... : Arcanum
      
      I have music and movie reviewers I don't agree with, and I have reviewers that I do agree with. I don't ... : slax0r
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  fuck yea gerstmann is gone, who cares why good > evil : Foxhawk
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    I don't know who Gerstmann is, but even if people have a problem with him, having a completely fucking co... : slax0r
    - Plus the guys out of a job right before Christmas. Not cool : bozer
  - I'd commission Remo to do a Shack song based upon the first words part of your post "Fuck Yeah Gerstmann ... : PlanetPerfecto
  - not a fan of his, but definitely a suspect way to get fired. : byorn
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  Obligatory Links Tomorrow's PA: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic Quickly expanding NeoGAF thread: ... : notd665
  - http://www.gamebump.com/go/longtime_gamespot_editor_fired_negative_review_to_blame : psxtim
- Nah, I really don't see it. He has Gerstmann'd far too many reviews for this just to happen now. He was... : pigvomit
- History aside, he got fired for giving a shitty game a shitty review? : Edges
- This is shitty of Eidos to do, but also a reason for websites not to run ads for products they don't trul... : AndyGoin
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  http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/gamespot-editor-fired-over-kane--lynch-review-328244.php Pretty much a ... : pigvomit
  - I would have assumed as much. : tension
  - oh wow kotaku spreading baseless rumors what a huge surprise : Foxhawk
  - lol internet news. : eeeealmo
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    If this was real, how would the news get out? Nobody from Gamespot would talk about it. Gerstman would li... : byorn
    - Gamespot and Cnet are pretty large entities, and while Gerstman might not talk, somebody could. Not sayin... : jake2000
  - Ah, the absolute shitness of gaming blogs rears its head again. : ShekkyBoy
- wow... : oHnOES
- ahahahahahahahahahahah GERSTMAAAAAAAAN : JINKY
- This seems unlikely. I mean, I'd be shocked if this was true. : soggybagel
- If this is true, Gerstmann just gained a whole heap of credibility in the industry, and there is no doubt... : treefingers1
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  What's the source on this? Do we know it's true? : Chris Remo
  - I'm working on it. : notd665
  - Garry Whitta and Jeff Green were discussing it on Quarter To Three : Dave-A
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    I like how this completely unconfirmed report based largely on a PA cartoon is causing everyone to go nut... : deveus1
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  I don't understand why people hate on particular critics for their opinions on games. Not everyone likes ... : bozer
  - Yeah, I disagreed with him on many games but it doesn't invalidate what he was doing. : Dave-A
- Wow, that is truly fucked : Drewus
- hah, they also have a new full page ad thing up for the new NFS game. I'm betting it's going to get a gl... : AndyGoin
- interesting : MoreVespeneGas
- has anyone checked the gamespot forums? i cant get to gamespot from here but surely there's chatter abou... : Dravenport
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  I can't find that review anywhere on their site either : bozer
  - http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/kanelynchdeadmen/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=s... : skinlab133
- gamespots a shit site anyways. i wonder how much eidos payed for that 6.0 review, must not of been enough... : AMikaboshi
- the game is far more tragic than a 6.0 : cpt_gloval
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  Game reviews are just getting fucking ridiculous. : aeg1x
  - I think it's always been this way, it's nothing new. : owtwerd
- i've always disliked his reviews (not the numbers, they are meaningless, i'm talking the actual written w... : pyide
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  If it is connected then Gamespot sunk even lower on my sites to trust list. : Fred Garvin
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    what else is on that list? : Super Sparker
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      http://trustedsite.com/ : Dave-A
      
      Yea that place is a den of lies. : c0bra
- here's his video review: http://au.gamespot.com/pages/video_player/popup.php?sid=6182850&pid=934403 ha... : aeg1x
- wtf, lol : jono181
- I like Gerstmann's video reviews, I really hope it isn't true. : Lone Swordsman
- http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26072117&page=10 post from a GS forum mod... ... : jake2000
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  Looks like we're going to need to bring in the internet on this one, has the blogosphere been notified? : haiku
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    PrimoTech is citing an anonymous source inside Gamespot http://www.primotechnology.com/2007/11/29/gamesp... : deveus1
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      Okay Guys Here's the scoop. I literally just posted that and can't believe deveus caught it already. ... : notd665
      
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      For all the hate gerstmann got this is pretty ridiculous. I'm sure it's not going to bode well for Eidos : shred.
      
      I'm sure both Gamespot's readers and Eidos' customers will forget by Monday, or won't ever find out about... : jake2000
- Well, we got a story up. : Chris Remo
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  I just posted my personal response: http://blog.shacknews.com/blogarticle.x/50135 : Chris Remo
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    I thought we weren't allowed to talk about turning off the Shack ads? : notd665
    - I'd imagine it's okay to talk about turning off ads with a Mercury subscription. : boredguy
    - You're allowed to do it if you turn them off legitimately. Mercury allows you to do that. : Chris Remo
    - Mercury! : ThomW
    - Remo has a \ : aeg1x
  - Nicely done, although I'm not sure if "hugest" is actually a word. Were you going for a Gamespot-ism the... : treefingers1
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    There's a ShackBlog now? I thought the whole site was a blog? /ducks : afty
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      YOU THOUGHT WRONG. Seriously though I know we're formatted like a blog. The front page isn't a blog... : Chris Remo
      
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      Do you guys on the staff view it differently from a traditional op-ed section? : snagger
      
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      We view it like the traditional meaning of a blog--a site where individuals post their own opinions, comm... : Chris Remo
      
      That said, I'd dig a full-on, fully-thought-out publication-worthy editorial section. You guys clearly h... : snagger
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    WTF IS SHACKBLOG?!?@?#!@$ : g0nk
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      seriously, we need personal blogs.. like blog.shacknews.com/g0nk that would make things soooooo much e... : g0nk
      
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      We'd like to do that actually, but it's probably a ways off. : Chris Remo
      
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      coooooooool : g0nk
      
      I already have blog.shacknews.com/dognose bookmarked : aeg1x
      
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      I swear to god, I'll take hostages if this place turns into some testosterone-addled LiveJournal : Home Nugget
      
      sarcasm! : jake2000
  - I'd avoid committing to a definite belief of what happened until we get some clarification -- it's going ... : Postal
  - I thought that was going to be a joke link referring to haiku's comment above... subscribed! : Carnivac
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    I like the way you guys are using the shackblog. It's similar to what the guys at rockpapershotgun.com ar... : aeg1x
    - Yeah those guys are great. That's the type of thing we're aiming for. They're not specifically a model ... : Chris Remo
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    Very nice Remo. I gotta say, I really like the direction that you guys (collectively) are taking the Shack. It's gotten me to read the content again. After a number of years not even bothering with the front page or anything outside the chatty I find myself checking the front page a number of times daily and reading the longer articles and reviews, and I'll definitely keep reading the blog (it has an RSS feed, right? I'll add it to Google Reader once I'm done posting this if it does). I think the fine balance between "professional game news site" and "community-driven web portal" is handled very well here... If you were to put the front page articles on one end of the spectrum, and the chattys at the other end, the blog serves as a very nice bridge between the two.
    
    Nov 29, 2007 8:07pm PST
    
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    Very nice Remo. I gotta say, I really like the direction that you guys (collectively) are taking the Shac... : Bean
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      Also, just be aware that this makes something like 3 compliments to the Shack in as many days, so I'm goi... : Bean
      
      :( :( :( (thanks) : Chris Remo
- I see Gerstmann winning a nice sum of cash monays : Wolfanoz
- This would completely destroy any credibility that Gamespot had (if they had any). Although I mostly dis... : dmaownsyou
- Good thing gamespot is a shatty site anyways. : mavmavv

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