Evening Reading

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• rolling stones. never heard of these guys but I hope they hit it big! very classic sound : mikecyb
• I wish I had known about Buckethead when he was first coming out. I only found out about him when someon... : Rag and Bone Man
• My Chemical Romance. I had no idea they rocked until I played Dead in GHII : Solstice
• If I'd known about Silversun Pickups a year or two ago when my friend first played me "Kissing Families" ... : thewriter
• ehh I just got the new Duran Duran album....never owned one before. But I actually like it aside from a ... : austere01
• Opeth. I'd heard of them but never really listened to their music. : Magus
• My Morning Jacket. Kept hearing about them, but just recently had the great pleasure of actually experien... : ZedAgent
• The Velvet Underground... though The Smiths I got in to kind of late too. : noven
• Cigar Store Indians. Heard them on XM the other day and I'm grabbing 3 of their albums off Emusic. : Rauol Duke
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  i saw the new pornographers in concert when they opened for belle and sebastian. i didn't think they wer... : electroly
  • I saw them at a free show in downtown Detroit. Not the best life performance I've ever seen, and Neko Ca... : Enkidu
• Porcupine Tree, last year. I have seen them live twice since then. : gmd
• the new Killers album is really good, I really like it, but I also liked their past stuff. : Antilles_Prime
• chibi! http://www.cbcradio3.com : Postal
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  Nightwish - I bought "Dark Passion Play", loved it, then said, "Didn't they used to have a different sing... : Ra5putin
  • I love Track 11 : gmd
• Best cover of a Toronto song EVAR: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8MfESZHY9Z4 : Fred Garvin
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  Echo and the Bunnymen : NastyJack
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    ^ This is the good stuff. : monkeygone
    • I bought 16 CD's on the weekend. Theirs was one of them. : NastyJack
• Same. Also Rilo Kiley. : smoove
• Since I only got into listening to music around 1999 or 2000...a lot of my favorite stuff is like that...... : Vorlonesque
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  Zeni Geva (hay sup azbay/haiku) : genjuro
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    Hey I just bought that Boris with Michio Kurihara album. You heard that? It's DOPE. Plus he's the guy fro... : NastyJack
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      I heard it awhile ago and it didn't do much for me :/ : genjuro
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        You're crazy man. : NastyJack
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          Tell me have you listened to Can, Magma or Boredoms yet? : NastyJack
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            Yes, No, and Yes. : genjuro
            • And what did you think? You should check out Magma. Not sure if wacky French prog is your thing but I... : NastyJack
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  Why? : pandastrong
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    Do you prefer his first album or second? Oaklandazulasylum is one of my all time favs. Elephant Eyelash I... : NastyJack
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      I only have Elephant Eyelash. Yesterday was the first time I've heard anything by him, and it was his ne... : pandastrong
      • It's completely different. It's him in his room recording everything himself as opposed to EE for which h... : NastyJack
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  Ladytron : briareos99
  • I think Ladytron wrote one good song and keep recording it over and over again. : Porkasaurus
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  Weezer. I always thought they were a slightly above average band fronted by that D&D kid.... after being... : Dimmona
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    Their first and second albums are the only good ones. : freshyk
    • Yeah. The lead singer got his life sorted out and lost all his angst. Lyric quality went to hell. : ChibiJosh
    • Guess it's good those are the only two albums I've really listened to.... : Dimmona
• Visual Audio Sensory Theater. : freshyk

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  Oh man, loved my Montego A3D card. Shame that Creative won that particular battle. : bipolar
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    A3D was a fantastic true positional audio scheme. EAX was (and still isn't) half of A3D. The Diamond Mo... : EvilDolemite
    • Oh wait maybe that was the one I had. In any event, it kicked major amounts of ass. : bipolar
    • I concur. I still have mine. : stelth
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  What is #1? : pancake humper
  • gotta be the 8088 of course : bipolar
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    USB : EvilDolemite
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      well that's retarded : bipolar
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        I thought the same at first, but after thinking about it for awhile, I can see their point. Think about ... : EvilDolemite
        • Without the 8088, there wouldn't be a PC as we know it. USB #2, no problem. I'd probably put the PCI sl... : bipolar
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      YES, killer of DB9 and DB25 connectors all over the world! Provider of true plug-and-play external perip : the archvile
      • I hate to agree with this. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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      Over the card that brought 3d acceleration to the mainstream? Seriously? : pyrogen
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        Yeah, for sure. 3D Acceleration didn't go mainstream until it was single chip integrated with 2D. I'd cre... : jason bergman
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          Mainstream was a poor word choice, but I could live without USB a lot more than I could live without 3D a... : pyrogen
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            because you aren't mainstream. mainstream means normal, you are a hardcore nerd on a hardcore gaming site... : jackalope
            • Eh, I don't read Maximum PC, so I have no idea what their target audience is. I wouldn't have guessed th... : pyrogen
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          Ah Quake3 Dm17 on my TNT2 ultra with 32mb of ram. : gmd
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            I played the shit out of q3test on my tnt2 ultra, one of the first games I played on that new card. : sanchez
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              Was it Dm9 that slowed shit down unless you had 64mb of ram? : gmd
              • yes, it was all those gigantic skull/skin/blood textures in the gigantic gothic arches : dopefish
        • And if they put the Voodoo Banshee on the list, heads would have to roll. : Freon
• I miss my BX board, and CPUs back when they couldn't fit half-speed cache on the CPU die. Any mention ... : the archvile
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  Top 10 for those interested: 10 - DirectX (1995) 9 - DOOM (1993) 8 - IBM 5150 (1981) 7 - Hayes Smar... : EvilDolemite
  • This list is clearly flawed. : re4ctor
  • Wow nice to see quake is so high. That game got me into FPS's and programming all at the same time. : Horn
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    XP over 95? XP is a great OS to be sure, and obviously much better than 95 ... but it isn't as substanti... : bipolar
    • Yeah, really. : SiW73
    • It should have been Win2k instead of XP. Makes much more sense. : sanchez
    • yeah, Win2K was like "you got DirectX in my stability." And Windows 3.1 was the first one where sound an... : the archvile
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      XP is a better OS than 2k, it's been in widespread use as the dominant home system for longer than almost... : Morgin
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        XP brought stable computing to the masses. Not 2k : feek
        • MS should have never made WinME and just marketed 2k straight to the general public, would have saved the... : sanchez
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        There's really no comparison. XP is a great OS, but 95 changed everything for gaming. Anyone who recall... : bipolar
        • Was it an innovation, though? Other platforms did all of that stuff already. It was only amazing in compa... : nudel
        • fucking around with autoexec.bat and config.sys shit is why im into computers today. i felt like i was h... : handofthrawn
  • quake and doom WTF : Enigme
  • Happy to see Mosaic at #4, though really I would've put it at #2... : DOOManiac
• I can attest to # 43 the intellimouse explorer 3.0. I got one the day they came out so I could be more l... : xvizionx
• still using that MS Keyboard : deviantpaul
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  Was the Celeron 300 A on that list? That cpu was the shit. : Horn
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    That was indeed the shit. 450MHz when the fastest consumer CPU was hovering around 500..and at 1/3 the p... : EvilDolemite
    • That was my setup until the Athlons came out. I loved that little cpu. I still have it around here some... : Horn
    • Yeah it was a badass little CPU the Celery was...hell when people were first doing that the fastest consu... : Vorlonesque
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    Agreed. I'm not sure why the 80486 was that high on the list, since the built-in math coprocessor (its ma... : Bold
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      Shit, I was the only person I knew who had a 486 DX, everybody else I knew had the SX, with no co-process... : thecray
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        I had a 486DX as well. In 1992 I paid $3000 for a top-of-the-line Gateway 2000 486/33 with 15" monitor (n : Bold
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          $2,000 for a 486DX2-66 w/ 8MB RAM, 420MB HDD, 2400bps modem, 15" monitor, 4X CD-ROM. 1994! : EvilDolemite
          • I have no idea how much it cost (I was only 13), but I had a 486DX2-66 (later upgraded to a DX4-100), 16M... : thecray
  • Only CPU I've ever overclocked. : DOOManiac
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    I had an Abit BP6 and a pair of Celeron 366A running dual 550mhz back in 1998-1999. Had to run betas of ... : Freon
    • Haha, I had that exact same setup kicking ass. And people wonder if they need dual core NOW. =) (wel... : DinK
    • Wow I had this same machine but mine would only go to 466 or something stable. Ah memories. : Horn
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  Full 100 list since I'm bored: 100 – Microsoft Solitaire (1992 99 – APC Uni : EvilDolemite
  • Wow thanks a bunch for that. Great list. : Horn
  • 37 – Apple II (1977) ? this list is so random, wonder who came up with the software part... : Enigme
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    The only thing that really stands out that I think shouldn't be there is nvidia SLI. It's 3 places ahead ... : feek
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      I agree but I'd like to say that the dell monitor doesn't belong there. Everything else on that list is ... : Horn
      • Well, maybe just one of them. : feek
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        The 2001FP definitely changed the market - before it came about, LCDs were shit for gaming. It had what,... : EvilDolemite
        • Wasn't the Hyundai L90D+ faster and cheaper? I don't know specs between the two but I've seen both and I... : pres589
      • That was the point when widescreen became mainstream... i'd say thats a fairly big deal in computing hist... : Arsenal
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      I think they're just using the wrong year. I remember SLI being hot in the Voodoo2 days. : Grimp
      • Apparently the nVidia SLI tech differs from the 3dfx technique, even though it borrows from it. : EvilDolemite
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    why did they recognize the GF2 and not the GF1? : the archvile
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      the GF2 introduced (T&L) Transform and Lighting. The GF1 was more or less an overclocked Riva TNT2 with... : Shadowdane
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        NO! The GF1 had T&L...it was one of the first cards to have that (hell the first GF1 had SDR)...the othe... : Vorlonesque
        • Yeah, the "GeForce" name itself is because of that. "Ge" stands for geometry I think, as in T&L of it. ... : DinK
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    For anybody that actually knows computers, the 386DX was much more significant than the 486DX. That mofo... : treefingers1
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      Wasn't the 486DX the first x86 processor with a built-in floating-point unit? : afty
      • I think the "DX" was FP. SX was non floating point. I remember the SX basically sucking. : Freon
      • Yeah, but back then no one needed an FPU. For the vast majority of PC users, it was a waste of circuits. ... : Bold
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    Cool stuff, thanks. Crazy that I've been PC gaming for the majority of those developments. : Chris Remo
    • Yeah, I see a lot of the 1990's stuff (huge stuff like the Pentium and Voodoo 1) and I was around to see ... : EvilDolemite
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    A3D and A3D2 died way too soon. RIP, Aureal. : Enkidu
    • a fucking men not gay : cpt_gloval
  • I'd replace Starcraft with Warcraft II. : Rag and Bone Man
  • The list works better if you disregard rankings and think of it as a splatter of significant developments : eldersveld
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    d3d but not opengl - OOOKAAY. : mankeroo
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      Not D3D - DirectX : EvilDolemite
      • Yep. Before directx, you'd have to sacrifice a virgin if you owned a joystick with more than 2 buttons an... : thecray
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    Evequest should be there, even in top ten imo. : duka
    • gah, Everquest. : duka
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  Need's more Amiga 500 : Drewus
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    ^Had a true OS before Windows came along, digitised sound, and full VGA graphics. : Drewus
    • No, it didn't have "full VGA graphics" It could display 32+the same 32 at half brightness, or the Hold... : Toraz Chryx
• i still have an a3d card some place. : AMikaboshi
• Wow. I'm almost in 100% agreement with your list there. I had an Atari though :) : dopeman
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  The natural keyboard? That thing is a fucking atrocity. : the city
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    I only use natural keyboards. I love them! : pigvomit
    • Yeah my ICQ number was under 1,000,000. I forgot what it was though. :( : pigvomit
  • I agree. They suck. : razlebol
  • Sorry, I have to disagree. They are much more comfortable. The hands are in a natural position, not cramp... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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  whats funny is i still remember my ICQ number, 349656 ... and i have not used it in ages! Probably still ... : Demius
  • 86552454 : buzzbat
  • I had a six-digit too; 400K something. Loved that program. It was so superior to AIM 'till about 1999-2... : EvilDolemite
  • 1104817 i logged in not too long ago for nostalgia. all my contacts are permanently offline :( : dantastic
  • 3450519, still have it! Haven't used it in ages. : Freon
  • i forgot my pass and its attached to an email address i no longer have :( : afrochops
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    UH-OH! That sound will be with me till I die. RIP useable ICQ :( : thecray
    • That and the stupid little animal sounds in POW-WOW when you get a msg... OMG i have not even thought abo... : Demius
  • 2957440 : paravis
  • yeah, fuck you guys my ICQ number is -652178380. Fucking n00bs. : nyranger66
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    172799 more hardcore than u :| Too bad that an ICQ bug made it impossible to access :( (password not w... : woddemandred
    • Damn you, I thought my 186174 was uber. : Phearsome
  • 16837739. : aaarrrgh
  • 20154372. Had to remember it in order to type it fast between alt-tabs in Quake1. : thekidd
  • Same! 8229812 : TastyWheat
  • 48008858..... ohh man I was an icq whore around 1998-1999 : godm0de
  • 254292, I lost it when i was 17 because I had my age set to 13 and they banned my account for thinking I ... : d3tached
  • 26855456 - I don't even know what I typed, it's all muscle memory. : DooBall
  • 360441 : good man
  • 1653327 I think.. Yes! Except I can't get into it :( : Toraz Chryx
  • 1. : deviantpaul
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  Natural Keyboard?!? roflmao : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • It's my personal all-time favorite. : EvilDolemite
• Uh-oh! : vile
• ICQ should be in the Top 10. : slacko
• Wow, A3D and 440BX. Good times. A3D was especially great. My fondest memory of it was playing against ... : DinK

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  Kyle went from legitimate enthusiast, to essentially an icon in the world of PC enthusiasts, to deranged ... : soggybagel
  • Hmm I agree : askedrelic
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    sounds about right : cpt_gloval
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      Nice penis clams...in the profile. : soggybagel
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        they are geoducks you perv : cpt_gloval
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          those things are delicious! : Bean
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            i'd almost suck dick for geoduck sashimi : cpt_gloval
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              "almost suck dick"? So you'd have the guy drop his pants, whip out his rod, and you'd get down on your kn... : Bean
              • i just hope it never comes to that : cpt_gloval
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                why do you think/type up this stuff? I was having a good day till just now : hamachi
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                  you were hoping I'd instead say he'd mess up and suck the guy to climax? I like to think cpt_gloval is as... : Bean
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                    just the entire imagery of almost sucking dick by our anime loving friend. made me spill my beer : hamachi
                    • sorry about that! The thing is, I lack the circuit in my brain that stops people from saying everything t... : Bean
        • penis clams is by far the superior nomenclature : mega man
  • sad but true to a degree. : Matto357
  • Sums it up right there : noven
  • Yep... all this pissing does is make people more stupid. : Q-ball
• Thank god for Kyle, he'll save us! : Tincan
• Much to do... : Visceral Monkey
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  What ever happened to all those sub-hardocp sites that they started up a while back, like H|Consumer and ... : Bean
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    Good question. I stopped going in and around 2004. Their whole benchmark pissfest was hilarious too. C... : soggybagel
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      Yeah, man. I just looked at a few recent reviews. When did they start with the insane graph-bombs? : Bean
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        I like their approach, it makes sense. You don't buy a flashy new video card and say "Welp, now I can pl... : bipolar
        • I don't really have an opinion one way or another... I haven't upgraded my PC in roughly 3 years, so I gu... : Bean
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          each format has its uses. I prefer the more traditional method, but the HarOCP] way can also help illust... : deject
          • haha unintentional shack tagowned : deject
      • I actually think their graph approach is the only one that makes sense. I hate the site now though, stopp... : stuka
  • Couldn't afford it. : TrptJim
  • HConsumer was cool. If thats really gone I don't think theres anything left for me to visit there. : Lightzout
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    no clue, but their forums have always been great. : paravis
    • No, they haven't. There was a five year period where they went down more than Lohan. In the midst of that... : Merconium
• someones gotta keep em honest : mega man
• Commodore created the Amiga, so they win by default. : Drewus
• well the guy was obviously an idiot. why did kyle have to be a douche. just take the review PC, test it... : dantastic
• oh man good think Kyle is keeping them honest!! : AlexXdude
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  Not sure all of that was necessary, I feel kind of bad for the PR guy. : Chris Remo
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    This is another situation where I think everybody involved is an idiot and they should both be exterminat... : Bean
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      Why? He is passing along total bullshit. : oatmela
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        While that is quite true, and as I said above, I agree with Kyle's perspective here, the reason that I am : Bean
        • I work in PR, and I agree with you. The PR guy sucks and clearly did not consult his superiors for advic... : rossimo
• wow what is kyle's problem there? The guy offered to send him a unit to review what more does he want? : alexthegreat2
• Kyle can be such a Texan sometimes. One time while on the phone with him he said to me, verbatim "Bro I'm... : haiku
• The PR guy should have answered Ky;e's question. And Kyle shouldn't have expected a PR guy to know what t... : Ajax
• Thats not a recent article, I read that months ago... Kyle has always been the angry monkey of hard.... : jasoncrowley
• i find it better to just avoid hardocp i used to read it years ago but i stopped b/c of stuff like this ... : andrew``

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  this game will probably suck : maulla
  • my feeling as well. at worst it can only live up to my expectation that way. : stgulik
  • Best case scenario you get something that is a Bioshock to DX1's System Shock. Worst case scenario it's a... : SpaecKow
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  IT'S BEEN REVEALED. FOR CENTURIES, MANKIND HAS STRUGGLED TO REVEAL HIS TRUE NATURE : sgtsanity
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    You're just taking that ball and running with it aren't you : pwnage1232
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      I found video evidence to substantiate that I'm not totally crazy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPJY... : sgtsanity
      • And I think one of the best parts is that the announcer enunciates the sentences like some sort of dement... : sgtsanity
      • Jesus Christ. I instinctively punched myself in the face the first time I saw it and I punched myself in... : pwnage1232
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    THIS SUMMER : thewriter
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      IN A WORLD : RikiTiki2
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        NOW, ONE MAN MUST... : SpaecKow
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          MAKE THE CHOICE OF A LIFETIME... : MurrayTheSkull
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            TO PICK BETWEEN....GOOD....OR EVIL.... : rustified
            • AND WIELD THE ULTIMATE POWER... : PenicillinX57
            • OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES... : sanchez
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              ...OR ZANY. JIM CARREY IS... : acheron
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                ....DANE COOK.......IN....... : Jackass1233
                • ACE VENTURA 3: ACEHOLEAMIO : Mondo
                • THE BATTLE TO END ALL BATTLES...CATCH... : Majuju
            • IN A RACE AGAINST TIME : meesterbill
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    IN THE CITY SCIENCE WAS UNSTOPPABLE... UNTIL ONE DAY... SCIENCE COULDN'T BE STOPPED : mikecyb
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      ...IN 2009 PREPARE YOURSELF FOR A THRILL OF A LIFETIME... : rustified
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        ...SIGOURNEY WEAVER IS..... : drbriefs
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          BATMAN!! : theamazingrand0
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            PRODUCED BY THE AWARD-WINNING JOEL SCHUMACHER!!! : PenicillinX57
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              STARRING PENNY MARSHALL AS... : VegasX
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                INSPECTOR GADGET IN THE CROSSOVER EVENT OF THE YEAR : timmie
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                  COMING THIS SUMMER, ONLY ONE MAN CAN... : ColoradoCNC
                  • BECOME THE WOMAN HE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE BY... : GodZilly
  • TWO COFFEE SHOPS : tomservo
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  I hope I don't have to had played 2 to understand 3. 2 looked and played like ass. Was it any good? : majestik
  • It was okay. Not terrible. But as a follow-up to Deus Ex, distinctly average. : Rice-Rocketeer
  • Yeah sure it's good, it's good like getting cancer is good. : SpaecKow
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  I predict it'll be fucking awesome. Lesson learnt from the shit that was Deus Ex 2 : Drewus
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    Since when does the video game industry "learn lessons"? Valve aside. : thewriter
    • Prince of Persia 3? : Conan
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    I don't think anyone who worked on the first two is involved with this one. Not that that means anything.... : SpaecKow
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      Coming off the back of my earlier thread, my statement is this: - if they start an engine from the groun... : thewriter
      • Thank you Nostradamus. : razlebol
  • We'll be lucky if the people working on Deus Ex 3 even played the first two let alone worked on it. : Porkasaurus
  • I think they'll just make a whole lot of new mistakes actually. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised, bu... : K1Bond007
• I'm only interested if they promise to not release it on any consoles. : theamazingrand0
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  I capture a whole lot more images. Check out our new news post: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50... : Chris Remo
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    I want to be excited, but I can't help but think they'll bone it up. : brickmatt
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      Yeah same here : Chris Remo
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        If Bethesda fucks up Fallout, most my favorite classics will have been fucked over. I mean, what's left, : brickmatt
        • That scene is so fucking great. Man. : Chris Remo
  • AUGMENTED PEOPLE ENTER FROM THE BACK : aeg1x
• Oooooh the music :D : nomaad
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  This is probably a bad time to mention that I actually liked Deux Ex 2 and never played Deus Ex : ColoradoCNC
  • Shit man, keep that to yourself! : GreatGooglyMoogly
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    Same but I actually tried Dues Ex once but never got into it. Although I didn't give it enough time and e : GodZilly
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      You are a horrible horrible person : Mondo
      • It's on my list. I haven't let it go completely just yet. : GodZilly
  • There's never a good time to mention something like that. : SpaecKow
  • What are you trying to do to tomservo? It's bad enough that Deus Ex 2 apparently stabbed him so deep h... : zakk
  • tomservo will bust out the banhammer when he wakes up, just fyi. You people think I'm kidding ... : rosewood
  • for me, Deux Ex was like introducing my special cousin to the genre. I, however, could not enjoy it ... : jasoncrowley

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• *insert cartman voice* iPods are SO yesterday Kyle. : Demius
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  The Fratellies, Elk City, The Shins : med1c
  • arcade fire is cool too : med1c
• Strapping Young Lad : NeoMoose
• younger brother : esmokah
• Plain White T's, Jack Johnson, Panic! at the Disco, Maroon 5, the Beetles : stalewood
• My personal Favorites (my musical library is tiny and odd) Modest Mouse: Good News for People Who Love ba... : Malku
• Amon Tobin, Luke Vibert : manero
• why so few replies? anyway, for electronic, check out: Airdrawndagger by Sasha Puppy by Fluke (and ... : yAak
• Any good collection needs Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band and Abbey Road : thetangent
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  The lastest VSMOTD COLLECTION LIST. I still update it even though I never post VSMOTDs anymore. Get a... : Vantage
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    http://vantage.shackspace.com/vsmotd2007.txt : Vantage
    • fundamental is your favorite song by Sasha? interesting! i like Magnetic North the best, but the whole al... : yAak
    • I'm glad you picked Needled 24/7 for CoB. I know people make fun of it for being too commercial, but it ... : SiW73
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  moonsorrow (ignore everyone else) : JINKY
  • oh i thought you wanted to hear things that were particularly epic! if you just want good then my favorit... : JINKY
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  Vicctor Wooten Bix Beiderbecke Justice The Faint Miles Davis Maceo Parker That 1 Guy Goldfrapp He... : phiglit
  • *Correction* Herb Alperts Tijuana Brass : phiglit
• Living Sacrifice, great hard rock. Hammering Process is my fave with Concieved In Fire second. Also, Cell... : lowayne
• Smashing Pumpkins, Venetian Snares, Dillinger Escape Plan, Coheed & Cambria... and you can't go wrong wit... : moe6
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  Muse, Silversun Pickups, Spoon, Arcade Fire, Bloc Party, Broken Social Scene, Gogol Bordello, Puscifer, S... : mwasher
  • also, I highly recommend the new Ipod Nano. had mine for about a week now and it's abso-fucking-lutely a... : mwasher
  • Hmm I love Muse and the Silversun Pickups but have not heard of most of the others you listed. Do they s... : Begawkiness
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    first 6 are well chosen! Might i add.. mute math, arctic monkeys, built to spill, the dears, decemberist... : threeup
    • Arctic Monkeys are sorely missing from my list. Great British Indie-rock right there. : skankcore
• Get some good hip-hop: Talib Kweli, Common, Fat Jon : snagger
• Jamiroquai : RikiTiki2
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  Stars. : pwnage1232
  • Plus / Minus, Circa Survive, Dntel, LCD Soundsystem, Mates of State, The New Pornographers : pwnage1232
  • all the umbrellas in london. http://64.72.120.56/~tf/downloads/keith/Stars%20-%20The%20Comeback%20EP/S... : p4ck3tloss
• Hilltop Hoods - The Hard Roady Angus & Julia Stone Shihad : shavenewok
• BT : hax3d
• The Drams : YoYo
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    You have a list quite similar to mine. I applaud you and second all of these. Additionally, I offer the f... : pointingdevice
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      Form of... MUSIC ELITIST SUPERBOT! :P But seriously, thank you for adding a ton of great bands I forgo... : skankcore
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        If Music Elitist Superbot can't defeat communism, nobody can! Dude, anyone who has The Elected and Mat... : pointingdevice
        • I see your Elected and Matt Pond recognition, and raise you a Desaparecidos, Lucky Boys Confusion, and G. : skankcore
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  Classical you say? One of my favorite composers is Gustav Mahler. Listen to everything, the symphonies an... : Orange Pylon
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    "Broken Arrow" for Blackalicious. "The Craft" is good and all, but the Arrow is where it's at. I find mys... : skankcore
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      Fuck. I mean "Blazing Arrow". I listen to it all the time and I still get the name mixed up with that awf... : skankcore
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        I'm giving you +101 cool points because you like the same album as me and you have a hot body. : Orange Pylon
        • Back on top! You can be the bottom... rawr. : skankcore
• always put some Led Zeppelin in the mix : gyokuro
• Machinae Supremacy Download a lot of their songs at: http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/webography.html : GodZilly
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  Canadajack: Great Lake Swimmers, Ohbijou, The Tragically Hip, Kid Koala, Feist, The Arcade Fire : Majuju
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    Cadence Weapon is a decent upcoming rapper/hip-hop artist from Canuckialand. I discovered him when he did... : skankcore
    • He's great, he's friends with a bunch of my friends, actually. : Majuju
  • continued Canadajack: Godspeed You! Black Emperor, A Silver Mt. Zion, The Weakerthans, The Rheostaics, Sa... : Majuju
• Matthew Good, Sparklehorse, John Frusciante, Andrew Bird, : pyros
• Monster Magnet, The Clash, Junior Murvin : cpt_gloval
• LBA 1 http://www.magicball.net/downloads/music/lba1 LBA 2 http://www.magicball.net/downloads/music/... : mista mista
• Massive Attack Dethklok White Stripes Cake Martin O'Donell Joe Satriani I could go one, but just ... : locater16
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  Death, Slayer, Melvins, Black Sabbath, Propagandhi, Pearl Jam, Dayglo Abortions, Forbidden, Nofx, Gwar, D... : Sludgehead
  • I forgot Rigor Mortis.... earlier punk band preferred but later metal band of same name not the worst thi... : Sludgehead
• MIA, Ingrid Michaelson, NIN, Royskopp, Tatu, Atmosphere, The Good the Bad and the Queen, Regina Spektor, ... : ColoradoCNC
• For Blue Grass get Trampled By Turtles. Fucking great stuff man. : tsuba
• Chris Clark, Amon Tobin, Plaid, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Daft Punk, Justice, Mouse on Mars, Aphex Twi... : djkenohki
• Underworld - start with Dubnobasswithmyheadman but feel free to jump around after that. the most recent : Postal
• Bellaruche. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=49759185 : Jobos

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  so now the iphone can do stuff other phones have been able to do for ages? no way! : moshman
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    how cute, transparent iphone jealousy. : sharpie
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      Yeah cause if there's something to be jealous if it's an overpriced phone with an identity crisis and loc... : AgentPothead
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        oh no, I have to pay a phone bill! : vigilante
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          I never use the phone so having a cell phone is a waste to me. If anybody has anything important to say t... : AgentPothead
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            ^^ no friends. : Morgin
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              Either that, or they just talk to me in person and on the internet. I'm just not a phone guy, never have ... : AgentPothead
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                Welcome to the cellphone thread then. You seem to be lost. : Morgin
                • lol my thoughts too : klearlyunseen
            • And obviously poor : Serpico74
          • Fascinating : vigilante
          • hahaha what? Why are you even here? : sharpie
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          no, you have to pay for a contract with minimal choices, and in my case I would pay quite a bit more : moshman
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            Why do you like it so much you would even pay more though? Everybody I've asked what's so great about it ... : AgentPothead
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              ? I wouldn't and I won't If the iphone was unlocked and the price came down to about €100 I... : moshman
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                Shit I misunderstood, you are in the UK so you didn't mean that you would want to pay more, you mean they... : AgentPothead
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                  well, I live in germany now, but same difference : moshman
                  • Shit man that just reinforces my reading comprehension, or lack thereof. : AgentPothead
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      nah. I could go buy one right now if I wanted. But why get a phone with about half the functionality of t... : moshman
      • that said, as if I ever use all that functionality : moshman
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        lol. "neat UI" makes all the difference. I had a WM5 phone that could do *everything* my iphone could (br... : warpdude
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          "lol." of course a good UI is paramount, but the iphone doesn't have the only decent one : moshman
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            I dunno man. I haven't seen any other mobile OS that was designed around finger presses. they're all eith... : warpdude
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              ok, but that's not what makes a UI good. : moshman
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                it's not the only thing, but it's a big factor imo. one of my biggest gripes with wm5 was that it was des... : warpdude
                • I agree with that. I had one of those XDAs and it was a total pile of dogshit : moshman
            • I have a skin applied to my WM6 mobile/pda that is designed around fat thumbs like mine : nodebug
    • Hey, at least it fits the Apple aesthetic. : mockery
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      Actually, some people don't like it for the simple fact that a phone without any sort of tactical feedbac... : ColoradoCNC
      • he's just annoyed someone dissed his phone, and i didn't even diss it. : moshman
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        I've had mine since the day it came out, and the lack of tactile feedback is the farthest thing from a mi... : Serpico74
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          but it means you can't pull a secret agent move and send txt msgs with the phone still in your pocket : moshman
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            I couldn't text with the phone in my pocket anyway (hell, I had a tough enough time with a keypad to begi... : Serpico74
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              i wasn't being serious :) : moshman
              • Oh. :) : Serpico74
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          I dunno, I just can't get used to any phone that doesn't give me some sort of tactile response. I played ... : ColoradoCNC
          • The thing is to trust the spellcheck and key prediction. It actually works really well. I can type faster... : Serpico74
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    Big fucking deal. If the iphone does it BETTER than the other phones, the point is moot. And it does have... : Orange Pylon
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      it does it BETTER how? : moshman
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        Hell if I know. If it does do it better than the other phones, then that would be pretty neat. : Orange Pylon
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          phone A runs scummVM, so does phone B. No difference there :) I can actually see the touch screen bein... : moshman
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            I was just assuming touch would be handy for the ol' point and click adventures. : Orange Pylon
            • yeah, that's what I mean by mouse involvment. I should be clearer hehe : moshman
          • No! The iphone must be praised for it is preceeded by that magical letter! : nodebug
      • Also forgive the caps, I'm too much of a douche to use italics. : Orange Pylon
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      And the DS does it better than the iPhone. With the right tools of course... : skankcore
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        Hey, I have one of those now! So how the fuck do I put homebrew stuff on it? : Orange Pylon
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          You need a Flash Card ( http://wiki.pocketheaven.com/Category:DS_Flash_Cards ). The R4 and the M3 are the... : skankcore
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            Holy shit, there's an SNES emulator on this thing too. I'd kill for portable Actraiser and Terranigma. : Orange Pylon
            • it's great really : moshman
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              The SNES emulator still needs a lot of work. I played through Super Metroid on it, but there were a lot ... : slax0r
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                That concerns me slightly. There an NES or Genesis emulator on this thing yet? : Orange Pylon
                • Yes to both, but I haven't played around with them much. PocketNES, the emulator for the GBA was near pe... : slax0r
                • I've played Super Mario Bros 3 on it, so yes. : Serpico74
      • I got all excited about this when I got the tools, but it's really not a very good experience imo for pla... : cdbeckman
• looking into this right now! : choppp
• ok proof that we need better iphone app organization. i had no idea this was out there, must go dig up t... : smacknca
• now i have to decide if i want itunes or sam n max. FUCK YOU WORLD DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE : CoRDS
• Oh man... I want to go over to the apple side more every day. :( : great-white
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  But ScummVM has been emulated on pretty much every other portable device as well, I was playing it on my ... : nodebug
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    careful, I said that and apple fanboys tried to sit on me : moshman
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      *Breaking news, iphone emulates phone* : nodebug
      • SEIZE HIM! : algernoN8
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    but windows mobile is a huge piece of shit, especially two years ago, so, its on a good mobile phone now... : snowwolf
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      there are other good phones aside from Windows phones. : moshman
      • and by that I don't mean that windows phones are good, I threw mine against a wall out of frustration : moshman
      • Blackberry and iPhone are all I'd ever recommend for a smartphone. Anything else, oof... : Serpico74
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      Meh, ScummVM ran the same then as it will now on the iphone, is that not the point? Seems to be everyone ... : nodebug
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        that's my problem with it too. Some people seem to think iphone is fucking god, and it can do shit no one... : moshman
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          Look. Your clearly running up and down these threads getting all mad because you think that people who li... : cdbeckman
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            what the flying fuck are you talking about? I don't dislike apple at all, i dislike the iphone fanboys w... : moshman
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              http://www.shacknews.com/search.x?type=comments&terms=iphone&cs_user=moshman&cs_parentauthor=&s_type=all : cdbeckman
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                Also, I haven't seen you mention your one dislike of it - apparently- AT&T - anywhere. : cdbeckman
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                  because I don't live in the US and I didn't specifically mention the name of any operators. But if you h... : moshman
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                    One way or other, most of them are bashing the device, and yet your so surprised at people not going alon... : cdbeckman
                    • also, wtf is a hit and run thread? lol : cdbeckman
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                      where did I ever bash the phone aside from a complaint about lack of features? I am bashing narrowminded ... : moshman
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                        Your a troll on the subject, as is anyone who thinks they are somehow going after "fanboys." I'm not goin... : cdbeckman
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                          don't be ridiculous, I am not trolling anybody. Otherwise I wouldn't be arguing here with you. if that... : moshman
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                            I think goodnight is reasonable, you clearly stated your bashing people who like the phone, I just summed... : cdbeckman
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                              how nice, you turned it around to suit your argument. read this again http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?i... : moshman
                              • yeah, that sums it up pretty nicely. Why did you post that in this thread? This thread is about people wh... : cdbeckman
• i really dislike the concept of the iPhone, but this post makes me want one so bad :( : Klebold
• so where can we go to get the actual games? : agentlead

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• rawr : spaceless
• yes... let the hate flow through you : NeoMoose
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  you know you just want to play some bf1942. its ok. we all do. : Antilles_Prime
  • yeah I was just thinking about that, how its so nice to have shack servers packed and lots of Tf2 action... : Lightzout
• Take two valium and call me in the morning. : ConfusedUs
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  Maybe solitaire is your game? : DM7
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    Solitaire does not have grenades. It's shit. : cr00kedview
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      I'm tempted now to make a demoman version of solitaire. KA-BOOOM! : Maddog_Delphi97
      • Minesweeper has mines. That's close to grenades. : Bamii
• Your posts always make my eyes bleed. :( : SockMonkeh
• BOY I TELL YOU BACK IN MY DAY SONNY I'D-A WHUPPED EVERY LAST ONE O YA! : Ajax
• Well. Good to know. Thanks. : Thresher
• It is a completely different game than TFC. : ConfusedUs
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  You don't have to like it... no matter how many other people are raving about it. I think most people ca... : semaphore
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    have you seen me jump in ANY tf2 thread to this point? hahahah... Not what so ever... go search my post h... : -=kodiak=-
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      I think he was saying "as long as you don't start shitting in tf2 threads, we don't really care" : crummynz
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        well then why has this thread exploded so much in the short amount of time it's been posted? trying to... : -=kodiak=-
        • well then why has this thread exploded so much in the short amount of time it's been posted? lol : Lawgiver
        • Because people are mainly making fun of you. : alphablu
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          Because everyone is mystified at your pre-emptive defensiveness? I see many "lol wtf?" posts and very few... : crummynz
          • ^^This is the answer right here. I don't think anyone is debating the merits of your case because the... : deveus1
        • "why has this thread exploded..." I guess because it was too hilarious to nuke? : yAak
        • hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha : virus
    • mortality squad? lol wtf are you talking about. noc that you hate the game. I played it like twice and I ... : Lawgiver
• what? : Jackass1233
• Haha you suck at video games. : pupismyname
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  this is the internet, no one cares what you think : MikkleThePickle
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    Definitely "wanna know why???" (this is where i stopped reading) : alphablu
    • no shit. : hamachi
  • ^^^^^^^^ : barichnikov
• "Im sure this will spawn a sizable thread" ahahaha LOOK HOW CONTROVERSIAL I AM EVERYBODY!! : forgottenzero
• i do agree with the grenades. i miss them :( : NeoMoose
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  • ^^IAWTP : afty04
• lololol you suck at tf2 : aeg1x
• This eye-watering post full of poor punctuation, spelling errors, profanity, and general assholery would ... : ConfusedUs
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  BUT I HAVE TO CONVINCE YOU IT'S A GOOD GAME BECAUSE I CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT YOU NOT PLAYING IT. PLEASE JUS... : xxiv
  • SIR, PLEASE, JUST LET ME EXPLAIN THE EXTENDED WARRANTY TO YOU, SO YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AFTER... : AlexXdude
• I have a 5th-grade student that sounds exactly like you, even down to the "I don't like it" whining. She : Bold
• What the fuck. : Rice-Rocketeer
• you're slow and obsolete, old man : bipolar
• why is this post so long : Chris Remo
• lol : manero
• yawn.... : kainen1
• whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa QQ more : the city
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  hahaha...hahaha....ahahahah....ahahah More dots! : project13
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    50 DKP!!! MINUS!!! : AlexXdude
    • WHAT THE FUCK HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? : Jackass1233
• http://www.fortress-forever.com bye! : niceguynick
• "Knowing that i totally fucking RAPED games single handedly back in the quake 1 days" Sounds like a br... : tunis5000
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  maybe you want grenades to spam because you dont have the skills for the kills anymore : gyokuro
  • no, the skills are somewhat there... although very very rusty (since i do have to use the POS engine the ... : -=kodiak=-
• http://entimg.msn.com/i/300/mov/crybaby_jdepp_300x298.jpg : DM7
• we're havin fun and you're not, ahahahah : sammyl
• Anyone have some maxipads? : azenmaster
• lol this is hilarious. : MurrayTheSkull
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  <3 nerd rage, go back to gamefaqs : Orange Pylon
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    LOL YOU FUCKING FAGGOT!!!! SEPEROTH IS THE GREATEST VILLIAN OF ALL TIME!!! FF7 IS THE GREATEST GAME OF AL... : -=kodiak=-
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      I used to say that stuff all the time in the AOL chat rooms. I was such an idiot at ages 9-21. : Orange Pylon
      • *checks profile* *laughs* : SilverSnake
    • FUCK YOU ITS MAGUS : Mondo
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    You sound like my friend when he goes on about why the 360 sucks... This place helps me avoid him =P. Che... : Malku
    • Oops.. That kinda came out wrong... I love TF2... Just not when I lag =P : Malku
• I call drunk post : IcomeINpeace
• Here's the bullet points for my PowerPoint posse: * sucks * sandy underpants * needs a handkerchief : filtersweep
• (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) : Chrrs
• Geez man, it's just a game........... : Drewus
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  IT HAS BEEN REVEALED!!!! -=kodiak=- fucking hates TF2. : K1Bond007
  • Mmm Mmm, Toasty! : sgtsanity
• Lol raped back in q1 days.... when most people were probably still using keyboard only and had 28.8k mode... : darkT
• Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how wrong it is. However i must admit your pre-e... : Arsenal
• cry some more. : re-verse
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  The grenades were like coins in a slot machine. Random reward schedule : spiderfill
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    They just changed grenades to criticals then? : Rag and Bone Man
    • I guess they did, in a way : spiderfill
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  maximum lol : Mansmells
  • Wrong game. : mockery
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  You know what? After having a hard on for TF2 for about 2 months, I just lost interest. it isn't as good ... : baron calamity
  • hunted :( come back : cdbeckman
• let's tinyurl this post: I H8 TF2 >:[ and don't you forget it! : stuka
• This is a perfect example of why Valve went in the direction they did. : SiW73
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  So you were a nade whore? And now you are upset they removed nades? No offense, but I'm glad you don't li... : AgentPothead
  • OoooooOOOHHH!! You hear what he said, Kodiak!?! RIP OFF HIS HEAD AND SHIT DOWN HIS NECK!! : AndyGoin
• I think you should try it out one more time. : AndyGoin
• needs more ellipsis : Crimson
• i'm glad there are no grenades. nothing like constant grenade spam to make you want to throw your mouse ... : dantastic
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  counterpoint: I DO FUCKING LIKE IT, I FUCKING LOVE IT, I DONT GIVE 2 FLYING FUCKS WHAT YOU ALL THINK : hirez
  • Can't argue with that. : dmason
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  Ka-BEWWWM! lol ellipses rush kekekeke ^___^ : Noobler
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    when did everyone start using this new word : spaceless
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      what new word is that? : Noobler
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        lol : spaceless
        • idk lol :[ : Noobler
  • more like: ka-BEWWWMMMM : sikander
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  Go play demoman if you want grenade spam, though even that won't get you very far. I found the changes t... : Rag and Bone Man
  • He's just mad that he sucks at games that require teamwork. : the city
• that sucks. I was looking forward to playing with you. : edgewise
• STFU ALREADY : FrayLo
• I cant agree more and Im so glad someone said it. I love the art direction of the game but it just gets r... : klearlyunseen
• So you're saying that you like it or..? : megarust32
• I wouldn't say it sucks, but I have no desire to play it. I want some CTF maps or the Hunted. it does... : oatmela
• I wish you could state your opinion more clearly. I just can't tell what you really think of this game. : Albemuth
• Congrats on your amazing ability to not like a game. : omnova
• cool, one less spot to worry about when trying to connect to the servers : sikander
• You should get angry at who ever taught you English. : pres589
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  This is exactly why I don't like Guitar Hero - no grenades. : Porkasaurus
  • No jump button either. What the fuck. : omnova
• -=kodiak=-'s sappin' mah TF2 : EvilDolemite
• no u : deject
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  Pssst*! Guys.. i don't think he's reading our posts anymore =(. Damn Nerd Rage people usually don't back ... : Malku
  • He's working on his "enemies list." : algernoN8
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  plz ban him 4 more years for this abomination of a post. : virus
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    also, lol - you suck at a game and have rage about it. : virus
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      also, i love this game, and you hating means more spots on the server. :D : virus
      • also, you clearly have no soul. : virus
• I care greatly about this post. : Kaerof
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  I'm highjacking this post to ask for an invite to the steamcommunity shacknews group... I remember whe... : M4DM9X
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    Just don't be a Dick or a Nerd Rage dude like this guy here and you'll be fine.. At least that's what i w... : Malku
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      BTW. I don't think i'm justified to say that... Sorry... : Malku
      • someone needs to pop this guys shack cherry already. : sharpie
    • it's cool man, for the moment I hang out on fpslabs.com forums, but aside from a bunch of good guys, a lo... : M4DM9X
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  waaaaaaa i cant dominate a game that is designed for team play by myself waaaaaaaaaahh : VuduChild
  • ^^^^I am so glad they got rid of grenades. It made the game a noob spam fest. The demo man is enough. TF2... : byorn
• Fitting, coming from someone called " -=kodiak=-" : moz
• lol : mikecyb
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  giant subthread that isnt in reply... blow me. Hatred is maxed out on this one. chick thread of lameness... : sexninja!!!!
  • I'm glad someone did it. : omnova
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    2.5/10 nowhere near as funny as OP : stuka
    • At first i thought you all bitching about the blowjob was a load of bullshit... however... you are all 10... : Mondo
• I'm hopelessly addicted to this post. : stuka
• you should get that knee checked out. : pyide
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  This thread needs a cool tf2 screenshot! http://daedraug.shackspace.com/tf2shots/030%20is%20looking%20go... : daedraug
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    Oh wow. Definitely one of the best screens I've seen. : NastyJack
    • you guys need to try out halo 3's theater. I keep looking for the theater menu in tf2 =( The halo shots ... : paravis
• Thank god. One less person I have to contend with to get on the fucking Shack servers. : mrwolf710
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  i think the game is good, but nowhere near as good as most people here think it is. : maulla
  • agreed, i've already stopped playing it. it was fun, but it got boring quick, especially with only 6 map... : kill9
• This is the worst post of all time. : pupismyname
• It sounds like you're really frustrated because you're playing against a lot of people who have been into... : vynn
• Somewhere, WTF Horse is stamping a hoof and snorting. :[ : My Documents
• rofl. : PlanetPerfecto
• If you don't care what we think then why did you make such an abortion of a post? Obviously you haven't ... : Sapiens
• k thanks for sharing : warpdude
• i can't figure out why you were banned for 4 years. : lakren
• dude, you are hardcore : pwnage1232
• http://www.zeltf.com/ <-- Go play and be happy : sexydingo
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  while I don't care about the grenades, I do think this uber tf2 hype is pretty outrageous. I like the ga... : paravis
  • lol what in the fuck : vynn
  • GRENADES FTW : Mondo
  • I will take "uninformed replies" for $500 Alex. : CRasterImage
• Truly a kodiak moment. : Lightbulb
• But how do you really feel? : moogle
• in celebration of this awesome, misguided thread, I'm gonna go play some TF2. As pyro, of course. : lowpoly
• this is the worst thread ever I demand someone fix this mess >:( : mikecyb
• wambulance. You sound like you're 12. : Begawkiness
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  TLDR; "Because I'm terrible, the game sucks." Wow, man...the post comes across as an introspection to the... : phipple
  • kodiak is the 'leave britney alone' guy. : bfzzzz
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  DEAL WITH IT!!! : FrayLo
  • NEVER : bfzzzz
• Okay. Thanks for your input. You are a beautiful and unique snowflake. : ChibiJosh
• hai guys whats going on in this thread : timaste
• Thank you, I actually laughed out loud at this post, and clicked lol for ya. GRAH! KODIAK SMASH! : sharpie
• [lol]'d : jackalope
• Dude, you gotta keep this shit to yourself man, ugghghhh : stuka
• SO WHO ARE YOU CALLING A FAG? VALVE OR US ?!?@#!@#111 : Downforce
• you and KA'/BO'OM/.apostrophe zzzzzzzzzzzdash apostrophe dash should start a gang of trash talking no goo... : contentious roy
• no... te... d... : delataur
• lol, you suck n00b : moshman
• lol...okay : ColoradoCNC
• lol wtf there's no grenades?! how can they even call it Team Fortress?! Way to noob up a great mod. : Sludgehead
• Would you like some cheese with your whine? : CRasterImage
• I miss my greandes too. And infections And feigning And the non-deathmatch capture systems An... : Beady
• I think you've just been playing with the wrong people. Here, go on as an Engineer or a Heavy and I'll g... : Moonbase Commander
• I have submitted an article on your dislike of TF2 to Reuters, hopefully this Earth-shattering news shall : Alicey
• update: still crying about grenades : jackalope
• haha, you suck at TF2. bye : nodebug
• Compelling. : geedeck
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  care for some cake? : jasoncrowley
  • Ur, I meant cheese, my bad : jasoncrowley
• QQ : soapland
• Wow, someone's bad at a game they just started, how interesting. Also, stfu. : felicia
• Looks like you're as bad at grammar as you are at TF2. : Ride-My-Rocket
• The question is, have you watched the developers commentary? : Klebold
• what ive played for 3 hours tonight and i PLAYED the game for an extensive period of time just don't ad : carrioN luggagE
• im with you..i hate this game and never plan on turning it on again : agentlead