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  What about the crappy graphics? : Robotic Puppy Eater
  • Be more specific? I can't say I noticed anything particularly crappy. Repetitive scenery and clunky anima... : Damodred
  • They graphics are not crappy. I haven't played the demo, but the beta looks fine on my ancient system (a... : lechuck59
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    The graphics are highly scaleable. I'm assuming the graphics were turned WAY DOWN for the demo, but th... : Rice-Rocketeer
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      "I'm assuming the graphics were turned WAY DOWN for the demo" I hope this is the case. Having played t... : Robotic Puppy Eater
      • So are you complaining about the art style or the graphics, because there's a world of difference. : Modica Sol Solis
  • The graphics aren't crappy at all. The animations are a bit stiff but the graphics are good. : pancake humper
  • What about fixing your eyes? : razlebol
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  FINALLY. Okay, I'm gonna do this like a QA session. Ask me what your questions are, I'm not sure where... : Rice-Rocketeer
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    Is it fun? : pigvomit
    • Yes. Next! : skinlab133
    • Very much so. The combat is quite deep and HIGHLY interactive. It's kind of MMO-style gameplay with...rea... : Rice-Rocketeer
    • Pretty much the most fun I've had in a video game since.. umm... hrm... I'll get back to you on the ti... : walker270
    • Yes, it is. But I'd play it online. The co-op is a blast. : mittense
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    Is there a Heavengate? And do you have to be a believer to get there? : cause&effect
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      No, but don't drink the punch they offer at the release party. : DerHuhnTeufel
      • I make it a policy to not drink punch at all. Evil evil stuff. : cause&effect
    • There's a Watergate. : mittense
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    Does it make Hell not look like fun? : NFXFSX
    • I am not sure - I haven't really been through many Hellgates yet. There are...Hell "caves" that you go i... : Rice-Rocketeer
  • IS IT COOL OR IS IT WHACK : JINKY
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    My fiancee likes wow but hardly any other games. Give this a shot? : carazy
    • its much more twitchy than WoW and you will not once feel that 'oh shit this place is amazing' feeling yo... : derelict515
    • Depends. Hellgate: London is a lot more interactive than WoW. But it is still very much MMO-style combat.... : Rice-Rocketeer
    • no : pancake humper
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    Will the subscription based stuff be worth subscribing to? : bcyde
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      I'm not sure yet. The beta didn't have anything to do with that. I'm going to hold off on the subscrip... : Rice-Rocketeer
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        Another question. With many people thinking that the game still needs a lot of bug fixes, is this a rele... : bcyde
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          Release day buy for me after playing the beta. I know a bunch of other people doing the same thing. : pancake humper
          • I agree. : mittense
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            Same here. Buying collector edition and subscribing to an elite account. : razlebol
            • What do you expect to get for your elite fee? : Damodred
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          The giant re-release of the beta this past weekend fixed any and all issues I had. I think there are sti... : walker270
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            Interesting theory on the beta vs. normal build work. A little optimistic? :D : Damodred
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              More like it's how I'd handle a stress test given limited time, and the symptoms fitting the explanation. : walker270
              • Oh, I agree it fits. Maybe TOO well!!! I just don't want to raise my hopes too much for release. We'll ne... : Damodred
        • Hard call. You wouldn't be hurt by waiting, that's for sure - but me, I gotta get my fix day 1. But I'm w... : Damodred
        • This is definitely a first day buy for me (I pre-ordered :D ). I have, so far, only suffered nominal b... : Rice-Rocketeer
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    since I'm in the beta but not far, my burning question: do the environments change significantly? from th... : Gauss
    • I'm not that far yet, but so far the environments have changed only slightly. The colour palette is ve : Rice-Rocketeer
    • They vary a bit, but I haven't seen a significant change outside of Tech 314's mind. The rest is pretty ... : walker270
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      It's all pretty much bland, I guess that's what happens when you go with 3d generated environments. : FushigiDenki
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        no, that's what happens when you decide your setting should be the same tileset everywhere : derelict515
        • It's so bad, they really owe it to anyone who buys this game to give them the first few extra-content env... : FushigiDenki
    • List of major environments I've seen in the beta: Two styles of maintenance tunnels Subway tunnels : Arcanum
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      They do change, sometimes greatly (I've played through all beta content), but the really frustrating thin... : Chris Remo
      • I think I'll be skipping this, atmosphere and ambience are hugely important to me, and I can get my hack ... : Gauss
    • Supposedly the retail copy will improve this, but, yeah, the environments are the shittiest thing about t... : mittense
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    how do you fix the broken mouse input? it's got a huge delay and jerkiness to it in my demo. : edgewise
    • Are you using triple buffering? : Rice-Rocketeer
    • I've heard turning off triple buffering can help a lot with that. Haven't tried it myself, but I know wha... : tashtego
    • turn off triple buffering : pancake humper
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    Is there any chance the track could bend? : thaperfectdrug
    • Not on your life my Hindu friend! : wasylm
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    How long do I have to play before I know whether or not I'm going to like it? I played the beta for a cou... : wasylm
    • Get through 314 (act 2). If you don't like it, you won't like it. : bipolar
• Hey I'll join in on this, Level 8 Blademaster and Level 10 Marksman. : RyDogg1
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  The game is ridiculously fun. I love it. I can tell I'm going to lose many moons to it and this somewha... : walker270
  • Classes -- Level 18 guardian, level 15 blade master, level 13 summoner, level 8 evoker, level 8 marksman ... : walker270
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  I've been in since alpha, feel free to hit me up with any question. Overall: Good but not as good as Dia... : bipolar
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    I haven't played since July. How is the content post Tech 314's mind? : skizl
    • Really pretty good, actually. Some fun maps, and some parts that will blow people away, even those in th... : bipolar
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    I've only been playing the beta for a day, got a marksman to 11 and I'm working my Engineer up right now, : DrFlammable
    • It's a minigame of some sort. Check the newbie forums, apparently. : Damodred
• beta key please :\ : mwasher
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  Posted this a week or so ago.. and I edited a bit of it.. I've played it a bit, and was a huge D2 fan.... : stonedonkey
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    I agree that the animations are terrible. I also can't think of any MMO that's ever made changes to somet... : skinlab133
    • WoW actually did work with their models. It was subtle though, but did require remodeling the kinetics of... : Damodred
  • I agree with this sentiment. Hellgate hits some of the mechanics of Diablo but little of its soul. : Chris Remo
  • You did not mention what levels were your characters. : razlebol
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  Impressions: *Graphics engine is very buggy, lots of textures dropping in/out and other strange things... : FushigiDenki
  • One last thing... I think this game will probably be getting hype for another couple months until people... : FushigiDenki
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  I've been loving the beta, bugs and all. Things don't get really interesting, play-wise, until around le... : Arcanum
  • pics pls : Robotic Puppy Eater
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    I think the drone issue was fixed in the beta-redeploy. I also never really figured out (or tried to) ... : walker270
    • It was *supposed* to be fixed, but everyone is saying it's still broken. I played to the end of the beta... : Arcanum
  • Yeah, I definitely agree with this post. Another thing that I REALLY like about the game is how *disti... : Rice-Rocketeer
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  One thing that I *really* like about Hellgate is how they've handled items. They have these "nanoforge... : Rice-Rocketeer
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    Oh yeah, being able to disassemble items to basic parts that could be used to upgrade your good equipment... : walker270
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      Hah, I just asked about upgrading Legendaries. Is there an eventual limit on upgrading? : Damodred
      • Upgrading, I don't think so. Adding affixes, yes. : Arcanum
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        No idea. You really have to pay close attention to how the item system works, though -- it starts to b... : walker270
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          To explain a little further... Unlike Diablo which had requirements like "minimum 36 str" and the like... : walker270
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            Armor and weapons. : Arcanum
            • Right, this is for all items. : walker270
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    Questions for you!! I played up to lvl 6, so I have some basics...but fill me in. About items: drops a... : Damodred
    • Faction locked (Templar item drops that blademasters or guardian can use), elite mode Sometimes luck of ... : shortbuscaptain
  • You can't reroll affixes, unless I've missed something huge somewhere. You can add new affixes using the... : Arcanum
  • Is there a manaul or page that people can read? Just started messing around last night and didn't know wh... : Zhaneel
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  have they fixed the skill descriptions? I played an Evoker first and literally half the skills had no des... : derelict515
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    nope, they're still vague : FushigiDenki
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      that's just dumb. 'The evoker reaches into the darkness to harness energy to destroy his enemies.' Wtf go... : derelict515
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        the +1100% damage is because the amount your spells hit is based on the focus item(s) you have equipped. ... : MisterPhoton
        • That's also not damage, I don't believe. It's the strength of the special effect. If you look at the de... : Arcanum
• I have said some things about it before, despite the NDA. I still hold true to saving my full opinion un... : changejar419
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  What's with the icons in the bottom right of items? I get that a circle with a slash through it is "can'... : filtersweep
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    The circle and slash means it's not wearable due to your faction. The circle with bar means you don't ha... : Arcanum
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      I must have found a demo bug then, because I was equipping circle-with-bar stuff last night. :( : filtersweep
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        You were probably freeing enough feed with the item you were replacing to equip the new one. : walker270
        • Ah, that's probably it. Thanks dudes. : filtersweep
      • It's possible that it was only circle-bar because of the item it's replacing. That is, you have 20 stren... : Arcanum
• One big thing: a lot of the content is randomly generated. This has both good and bad points. On the one ... : tashtego
• After playing the Beta for awhile, I will agree with many in this thread that this game has potential. ... : shortbuscaptain
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  Opinions about hotkey use in this game? Since you're moving around WASD style, rather than click-to-mo... : Johnny Law
  • I use ESDF and just remapped stuff to the pinky-row. WR for more common stuff (shield bash/spin for gu... : walker270
  • I mapped Q and E to health and power recharge items. Combat skills mostly got mapped to the first 5 or s... : Arcanum
  • Thanks dudes... I'll experiment. Got hold a a beta key so I'll give Hellgate another whirl with that. : Johnny Law
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  Hellgate Bug Question - Some of you in Beta may be able to help me. I am missing quite a few textures,... : graceofdragons
  • This is the demo? Did you try scaling back the texture detail? It sounds like some textures are missing... : Arcanum
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    I had this problem. Turning off Antialiasing in the options fixed it for me. : Amlash
    • Heh, only thing I didn't try. Thanks. I thought it wierd since it runs so well at max details. : graceofdragons
  • If you are using transparency AA, turn it off. It is buggy in DX9. Haven't had problems with it in DX10 a... : Rice-Rocketeer
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  I have to say that HG:L is probably the single biggest gaming disappointment I can think of. I was so exc : Dynotaku
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    FROM THE LINK IN THE OP: More Quest Information Quest NPCs do a better job of getting you prepared to : MisterPhoton
    • Ah, well that's good. All my experience were from a fairly recent version of the Beta. I need to check ou... : Dynotaku
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      good, cause I have to say the NPCs were the worst part of this game. The Gameplay itself is phenomenal : graceofdragons
      • Guess you never met Arlo. Hes awesome. : shortbuscaptain
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        I don't know why people were so angry about the NPCs. I don't want some town full of whiney dudes lament... : aeg1x
        • Yeah, but the current NPCs sound like retards. And I mean that in the worst way. Here I am in London th... : mrwolf710
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  DUDE if the things available to subscribers are a sign of things to come, I'm DEFINITELY paying for the f... : MisterPhoton
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    Is this an ironic post? I ca't tell. You seriously want to shell out $150 for Achievements?? : Damodred
    • DUDE : Ride-My-Rocket
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  I love this game. It consumes all of my time. All of it. I felt silly after getting a guy to 18 in on... : InfoBiter
  • did you see what's going to be subscriber-only as of the day of release, in terms of extra content? I'm f... : MisterPhoton
  • Wow.. it's so weird to see such conflicting views of this game. The comments literally go from "This gam... : dante2010
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  IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS that the fine gents above couldn't/didn't answer, feel free to throw th... : MisterPhoton
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    1) are there many useless skills in the skill trees? 2) do the environments get boring? 3) do you like ... : fathertime
    • 1. There are some "must haves" that I saw (ex: reducing feed ones), and others that compliment eachother... : walker270
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      1) Unless they've scrapped the skilltrees since beta, nearly all the skills are useless. I guess it depen... : Dynotaku
      • if you haven't partied you're kinda missing out on half the point. I wouldn't have said D2 was that great... : derelict515
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        For summoner, evoker, guardian, and blademaster skills were somewhat essential. I never played the mar... : walker270
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          Err.. scratch that, marksman was the second class I played. I think you're right about that one.. I ... : walker270
          • Marksman is the most playable without using skills, but I still use skills pretty regularly. Tactical St... : Arcanum
    • 1 and 2 dunno, haven't played long enough. 3) a lot of the sounds are nice and meaty. Some of the fanta... : Damodred
    • 1) I've found most of the skills to be useful. Depending on the class, it may be possible to play throu... : Arcanum
  • Did you find us the dye kits? :D : Damodred
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    Pls explain or link how the equipment system works. Relics/mod slots/upgrading item level??? : Zhaneel
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      All weapons have different damage types, from basic physical to weird arcane with other bits in-between (... : Damodred
      • You upgrade your weapons with bits too. When you can upgrade depends on the level of the item and your le... : aeg1x
• I played the beta for 30 mins and it sucked. I can only imagine holding down my fire button as a marksma... : ]pm[chem
• I don't know. I went in essentially expecting a blizzard game and it just doesn't have the same charm. I ... : Zeeliv
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  Favorite class and why? : spiderfill
  • Guardian. No idea. : walker270
  • Evoker because I like making shit explode. Great crowd control, and a fantastic set of skills with really... : Rice-Rocketeer
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  Graphics vs performance is pretty bad. I just upgraded my pc recently and have been playing games with m... : Wombat Woo
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    I have been getting horrid performance especially in hub sections where it has to download everyones armo... : melkore
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      DX9 or DX10 renderer, and what are your system stats? : Arcanum
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        DX9 My system is older but it runs most games at a decent clip AMD 3500+ 1Gb ram Radeon x850xt Vista... : melkore
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          Your RAM is below the stated minimum requirements for Vista (minimum is 1GB for XP, 2GB for Vista). I'm ... : Arcanum
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            I dropped everything to medium already. This game should not be killing my system this badly when Source... : melkore
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              AA and the problem you're experiencing stress two completely different things. AA is pure GPU power. Th... : Arcanum
              • True, I was just hoping for a bit better performance out of the engine but it's still in Beta : melkore
  • Play in DX9. It's much faster than DX10 at the moment, even with all the DX10 stuff disabled. Apparentl... : Arcanum
  • Isn't running Vista like a 50% hit to performance right off the bat? : Leshrac55
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  I'm still waiting on SOMEBODY to post screenshots to prove the graphics don't suck. : Robotic Puppy Eater
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    The graphics don't suck. : walker270
    • As long as you're not expecting a game with randomized environments and zillions of pieces of equipment t... : Dynotaku
  • I probably will tomorrow. Unfortunately, they took down the servers for some updates and testing today, ... : Arcanum
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    Here: http://www.polycat.net/gallery/hglbeta : mittense
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      Almost all of those are Direct3D10 shots, but I turned off the Depth of Field/Motion Blur due to some rea... : mittense
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        The DX10 rain effect rapes my system. It's too bad, because it's a nice, atmospheric effect. : Arcanum
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          The weather effects in the game in general are excellent. : mittense
          • Yeah, the snow is nice, except for those times when it's snowing inside a ruined town house. :) : Arcanum
    • Max Payne engine? : chuck577
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      It's me in the pics!! : razlebol
      • Haaaaaaaaay : Damodred
    • Can't get the link to work :( : skitzo
  • the level design and animations are really simple, but there's some dx9/10 special effects. so it depends... : thebigbeefsandwich
  • I think they are pretty bad, there are a lot of graphical glitches. : FushigiDenki
  • They don't suck, they're just mediocre, and they don't stand out in any way. However they don't really de... : Magus
  • I tried taking screenshots, but it doesn't work, WTF. HOW I DO IT? : Rice-Rocketeer
  • http://www.damodred.net/index.php?page=7 : Damodred
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  does anyone have a mirror for the new beta? their servers are so slow : oHnOES
  • maybe this needs a new thread. its going to get lost :( : oHnOES
  • mods you can nuke this, im going to make my own post :( : oHnOES
• To answer a question from an earlier thread... Core 2 Duo E6850, 8800GTX, 4gb DDR2, Vista-64 Ultimate ... : walker270
• my impression is that it's fun, but pretty buggy. very buggy actually. : xxiv
• Imagine a bad fps with diablo type skills and items. And the extremely bland looking as has been pointed... : treework
• #1 complaint is the story and world design. Now the story is missing a lot due to the final dialogue ... : byorn
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  I played the Alpha for a few weeks and now this most recent beta. I uninstalled it after a while because ... : Magus
  • The drone still shots at the wall and still losses the weapon and all stats when you log out. Huge game b... : hashd
• I played the beta yesterday for a couple hours. You know what? I like it a lot. It's going to take som... : sevogajre

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• Half-Life is the first I remember mainly because all of the ID games before that reset your weapons for e... : Evil Benius
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  Pretty sure they did that in Marathon at some point. : gndagger
  • Yeah, Durandal "forgot" to beam down your weapons >:( : nyranger66
  • At least one level in the original marathon took place in a vacuum, leaving with only a plasma gun and yo... : Masem
• You doing a report? : Jobos
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  Didn't this happen in descent too? : rosewood
  • Why won't someone resurrect. : graceofdragons
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  Hitman :) weapons you collected didn't stay with you on your next mission. but wasn't there some other ga... : Ziz
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    oops not a fps though : Ziz
    • Also came out after Half Life :) : ieGod
• Spear of Destiny, when you went to Hell to fight Hitler? It's hard to remember that far back. : Colleton
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  Hell yeah, Duke 3D did that. You were caught and put in jail. Lost everything. First episode! You had... : EvilDolemite
  • This is true! You were being electrocuted! : rosewood
  • I loved the viewing area : shred.
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    I back this statement 100%! : dognose
    • that's not nearly enough : johnsto
• Happens in Max Payne, but that's definitely not earlier than HL : wasylm
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  Dark Forces! : YamatoTwinkie
  • Yes, and it was awesome. : midgetherder
• Doom did it : RikiTiki2
• Sin did it about the same time as Half-Life (also, the whole getting mutated thing, I think that was a fi... : Conan
• I think that happened in one of the Blake Stone games. I think. If not then it's Dark Forces, yeah. : SpaecKow
• Not an FPS, but I first saw it in Metal Gear for the NES in 1988. : systatic
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  Yeah, Episode 1, I'm looking straight at you. This one's pissing me right the fuck off, and I'm thinki... : carrioN luggagE
  • Point the flashlight at enemies and let Alyx shoot them. She's very effective and those sections are not ... : nudel
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    You do have the gravity gun. And a lot of rubble. Maybe there's a way of making them work together. : RatBastard
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      I. Want. Bolt-throwers. Sure, the gravgun was awesome at the end of HL2, but that was it. I wanna dlow... : carrioN luggagE
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        1: Bricks and ruble kill zombies and ant lions dead. 2: Steal the Zombine grenades for super funtime thr... : RatBastard
        • Yeah I played through Episode 1 using only the gravity gun and it was pretty damn fun I must say. : Evil Benius
        • The problem with this is that the GravGun wasn't so effective in HL2 originally, you couldn't take shit o... : SpaecKow
        • Ok, have yuo played Episode one yet? I assume yes. At the start, you have no gun. At all. I want one. ... : carrioN luggagE
• Black and White did it to your pet I think. : tsuba
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  I despised the section in Red Faction where your character CHOSE to give up all his weapons and put on an... : nudel
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    Haha. Yeah, that game wasn't exactly polished. : enyakk
    • When the demo came out I loved just blasting holes into the walls in that test area. Also I remember the ... : Big Luke
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  outcast (voxel) did it dunno exactly if it was before or after hl but it must have been around the same t... : Hoax
  • I got so lost in that game :( : filthysock

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• I totally got that vibe when reading The Deathly Hallows. It'd be obvious in retrospect. But I really... : thekidd
• Oh, I had my money on Sucklecok. : lonza
• Only one? : snuff
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  She's become a kook because someone will say something she doesn't like about the books and then she'll d... : SpaecKow
  • When you become stupid rich it's called eccentric. : capt tripps
  • Not that I have a problem with Dumbledore being gay at all, I think it's very nice, but it's alway kooky ... : SpaecKow
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  SNAPE BLOWS DUMBLEDORE : SockMonkeh
  • BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. : Rice-Rocketeer
  • hahaha That's way funnier than it should be. : ThomW
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  OMG BAN THE BOOKS!! PROTECT THE CHILDREN!!! : Flying h4x0r
  • Yeah this is going to be fucking great for the books. : glio1337
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  ...huh. That's just odd. : Orange Pylon
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    It's kinda cool though. She has 50 million young readers and is subtly promoting tolerance. : dognose
    • In a way, I guess. Still, that was totally from left field. It will be so much FUN to see all the ove... : Orange Pylon
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    yeah, I would have expected it to be snape since she mentioned he got teased by harry's dad, etc : GloriousCow
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      What? Snape was in love with Harry's mom. : SockMonkeh
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        he was in love with her hair. : GloriousCow
        • Her pube hair. : SockMonkeh
• never let dumbledore hold your wand : thebigbeefsandwich
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  I think she's just tired of making money. : BoKnows
  • "Fuck the Church, I'm richer than the Queen Mum!" : RomSteady
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  *prays for lesbos* : mallrice
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    McGonagall had a brief fling with Umbridge back in their wilder days. : Orange Pylon
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      I'm pretty sure this isn't good. : Ctrl-Phreak
      • lololol : Orange Pylon
  • that one French sorceress from Goblet of Fire with... well, just about any of the older female students, ... : Postal
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  I always hated him but didn't know why. Now it's all beginning to make sense. : Pittst3r
  • stop the gay wizard hate :( : GloriousCow
• Giante Fagoso! : voodooraze
• That is so gay : rosewood
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  SNAPE FILLS DOUBLEDORE OOOH YEEEEEAH!! >:D : Maddog_Delphi97
  • Wizard cum flavored jellybean! : shred.
• Flying around on a long phallic shaped broom is the gay way! : trove
• I'm sure he sucks a mean cock. Also old gay men are awesome. : Big Luke
• "He has got style" : Spoetzl
• So that's what it meant by Elder Wand. : robotsincharge
• Analum plungari! : Ride-My-Rocket
• You know, I bet Dumbledore and Grindelwald used to suck each other off all the time and they would get po... : SockMonkeh

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  I learned a lot about being an offensive engineer tonight, the first being that having a pair of engi : ConfusedUs
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    I don't play engies very much but I have a hard time placing teleporters ends when they team can't secure... : hamachi
    • I put them just ahead of the further secure area, that way my team is near that area in case the other te... : ConfusedUs
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    all good tips. that said, on offense, I cringe if there's more than two engineers and thats only if it's ... : edgewise
    • more than two engineers on offense that is.. : edgewise
  • I want to reiterate the importance of MOVING your equipment. Never build in the same place twice! If your... : Bold
• Working with manero tonight, though, I really found myself wishing for a microphone. My toddler busted mi... : ConfusedUs
• Offensive engineers are the best. I hate it when there are like 3 turrets up defending a point we've alre... : aeg1x
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  dispensers are the #1 priority at all times no matter what. : fluke
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    meh. They heal way too slow. I prefer just running to a health pack specially that I know where every one... : razlebol
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      They heal really slow, but putting them near choke points means that everyone on your team can get a bit ... : ConfusedUs
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        The ammo is not a bad deal either, especially for heavies. A good heavy goes through ammo pretty quickly... : Johnny Law
        • Yeah, I agree. It's good for the ammo. But for healing, it really sucks. : razlebol
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  TPs are vital if you're attacking in some maps. If there's no engineers on blue in Gravelpit, i go engy ... : romulan
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    Where do you put up your exits on gravel? The best one I've found is at the connection from B to C, in th... : ConfusedUs
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      Two places.. B, i'll put it up between the two access huts to C. A, i put it in the hut right outs... : romulan
      • That's about what I do, except that when I put one up at the A junction a push by the enemy team destroys... : ConfusedUs
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  i wish dispensers showed up now and then on the HUD, like the + icon when someone calls for a medic. i ca... : pyide
  • this would be awesome. as would a map/radar of your team : hamachi
• ya im a big teleporter builder. : ant_hillbilly
• Yeah the first thing I build as an engy is a dispenser, it's just too useful. : SpaecKow
• on dustbowl's cap 3-2, the last cap, what's awesome fun is to setup a base in that small shack across the... : thekidd
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  Team Fortress 2 Whiny Class Demanding Types, We engineers are not your multiplayer gaming satisfaction : Lunatic Angelic
  • IAWTP, also fuck the scouts using TPs when the engineer is trying to go back to his TP exit because it's ... : ArtilleryMarker
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  Question: Does dispenser healing stack? : thane
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    Answer: Yes. : DrFlammable
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      A HW surrounded by 2 dispensers and 2 SGs = Iron shield. : ArtilleryMarker
      • Except that four or five sticky bombs can blow up the whole thing. : ConfusedUs
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  Fuck spies who use teleporters. Not only are they greedy, but they are stupid...they end up glowing from... : Boxelder
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    the glow doesn't stay forever : razlebol
    • yeah, just long enough to make the teleport fucking pointless. It's the move slow classes, not spies and... : Boxelder
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    only thing worse is when a fucking scout uses it and makes a heavy or soldier run the whole way : aeg1x
    • It's still faster to wait for it to recharge for the heavy or solider :/ I don't see scouts do it as muc... : Boxelder
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  <3 awesome post One thing I thought of was that Pyros are perfect for helping babysit dispensers/turre... : manero
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    Playing as an engineer with you was like night and day to my usual engineering experience, which goes a l... : ConfusedUs
    • let's start a mini-clan. Local Engineering 69ers or something. : manero
• Is there a way to rebind the 1, 2, 3, 4 keys that show up on the menu? I use the arrow keys and its very ... : USteppin

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• who cares about your buddy : not work safe
• why do you have stupid friends? : Mad Brahmin Disease
• He only plays games where the graphics are different? That's all he's looking for? Not atmosphere, nor st... : thaperfectdrug
• who cares about the graphics being the same? : jake2000
• your buddy gets a 1/10 on the gamer scorecard and a 10/10 on the douchebag scorecard : fluke
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  Man it's a good thing Valve gets so much acclaim because given how often people express opinions like the... : Chris Remo
  • people suck. : hamachi
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    I agree, and in the commentary where the guy talks about the changes to Alyx he says that if they do thei... : oatmela
    • Today, I think I had my first experience with the "It'll just look right" philosophy in Ep2. Am I the on... : treefingers1
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      actually, Alyx looking different was the first thing I noticed in Ep2. I was pissed I couldn't see the to... : edgewise
      • Worst change ever. : Izanaki
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    isn't this sort of thing true of any type of artistic entertainment endeavor? : thaperfectdrug
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      I suppose, but you can usually count on the critics to be the ones to point that out. I enjoy reading go... : Chris Remo
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        So who gets it right? Eurogamer? GFW mag? : thaperfectdrug
        • I think Eurogamer is one of the ones that does, although (perhaps shamefully) I really hardly ever read a... : Chris Remo
        • I enjoy the Zero Punctuation guy's reviews. Of course, he tends to focus on what's wrong, not what's good... : Goncyn
        • Edge! : aeg1x
        • GamesTM & Edge : Magus
      • most game critics are barely removed from the level of generic blogs/live space rants. they just seem to... : hamachi
  • You know in both of these episodes I have found myself not enjoying at least a few of the maps. To me the... : SpaecKow
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  anybody else not give a flying fuck-all about graphics anymore? I'm perfectly happy with any game that l... : GloriousCow
  • fun > graphics any day for me. Hell I still play nethack. : steelsamurai
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    Any fleeting enjoyment I would have gotten from a higher degree of incremental improvements to the techni... : Chris Remo
    • haha. well said. : edgewise
    • hear! hear! : graceofdragons
  • Right here chief. I can't really tell the difference between UT3 and previous games anymore. I mean obvio... : SpaecKow
  • It depends on the game and the level of graphics. : capt tripps
  • As long as it has art direction that isn't bad, I'll put up with any kind of graphics. Though I do like t... : Orange Pylon
  • I spent a good part of the day today playing UT99. : slax0r
  • totally. Shoulda stopped at the Quake engine. : paravis
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    Graphical improvements seem to be getting more incremental in the last few years. The last major "holy s... : Arcanum
    • I find myself thinking 'That game looks amazing' about just every game these days. : slax0r
  • I'll take gameplay over graphics any day of the week. Now, when they both meet together... that's just se... : dmason
  • They can ADD to a game, but fun is all I really notice anymore. I've got the Orange Box and Halo 3 and I ... : Rauol Duke
  • No, I absolutely do. I love Portal, but I could have happily waited for a "real" HL3 with serious engi... : Vincent Grayson
  • This is the popular internet thing to proclaim apparently. There are some truly epic moments in recent vi : Delusional
• He doesn't deserve to play it. : CrazyPants
• It's hard to tell whether HL2E2 looks better without pics from HL2 and HL2E1 for comparison. : capt tripps
• It's his loss, oatmela. : CrustaR
• Place a headcrab hat on your buddy and proceed to hit him with a crowbar. You can unlock an achievement ... : Wombat Woo
• The graphics in Ep 2 / Portal / TF2 are a TON better than plain HL2 or Ep 1... I noticed it immediately. : TabsAZ
• Why are you even friends with someone like that? : locater16
• he probably likes your porn also. some people were born wrong : mallrice
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  i dont want to play because i hate Alyx. : gyokuro
  • Then there's a good chance you'll like EP2 better than EP1 : spazzium
• The only thing that bothered me was the trees, they looked bad. However the overall looks was damn amazin... : avatar_58
• My honor student beat up your buddy : Magus
• I'm not the biggest HL2 fan, but your buddy sounds like an idiot. : taronish
• you need to make some friends over the interweb... like the shack! : soapland
• bury your friend alive!!!! : PlanetPerfecto
• Stupidest reason not to play a game ever. His loss. : nodebug
• you need new friends : drucifer
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  I made some screenshots too. Spoilers from about 2/3 into the game, at White Forest Inn, specifically abo : rock elf
  • Yeah, this thought process kind of ruined part of BioShock for me. :( : Grimp
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    I agree with you to an extent, although I have never listened to the commentarys. However the section you... : nodebug
    • I should have mentioned I was in the car when the forcefield came on as well : nodebug
    • Those screenshots are slightly misleading. I did drive my car everywhere, but I stopped just before the f... : rock elf
• If you ask me, HL2:E2 has the best graphics in an fps on PC other than Crysis. The textures could stand t... : shred.
• I disagree. HL2 is really starting to look dated in the graphics department. Ep2 had very nice visuals on... : SlamDunk
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  I thought that the graphics were very very slightly improved but what I had a problem with was some of th... : mrwolf710
  • BTW, slightly improved still = dated compared to newer releases. : mrwolf710
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  um the point of episodic games is to churn out content faster, not spend time on a new graphics engine : cap n KRUNCH
  • Actually one of the advantages of episodic gaming, according to Valve, is to roll out graphical advanceme... : freshyk

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  c# : fletch_
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    ^^^^^^ C# is a great beginner language ^^^^^ And if that melts your brain a little to much you might w... : Str8Dog
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      You can even get developer tools from Microsoft for free. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/def... : Str8Dog
      • As a side note, when you register any of the Express tools, you receive a "rewards" link that includes a ... : RomSteady
      • These look nice, now I'll be able to make hot asian chicks giggle any time I want! : darcspeed
    • I love C# and I love the Head First series, and wouldn't you know Head First C# is coming out real soon. ... : smegmar
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      be prepared to be flamed by the 'l33t' programers though if you start with VB.NET. I myself know VB.NE... : Shadowdane
      • really, it's all the same stuff. if you had some reason to, you could pick up C# in 15 minutes. : electroly
      • when I got the job I am in now I made the switch from C# to VB.NET pretty much by picking up a copy of th... : Str8Dog
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        its mostly that the C# syntax is closer to most other programming languages and VB.NET, while having the ... : derelict515
        • ^^^^ omg please read this and take it to heart : yAak
  • yes : dael
  • C# is the best : chungathebunga
  • I agree with these good folks. : GreatGooglyMoogly
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  QBasic : Flying h4x0r
  • Back in middle school I wrote an entire text adventure game in Qbasic using goto statements almost exclus... : uglysad
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  Java or C# : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • Agreed with this post. : helvetica
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    isnt C# just an unshittified java? so just go with C#... 8p : Str8Dog
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      Can you get what you need to do C# for free? : trevis
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        yes there are several IDEs that are completely free : Str8Dog
        • including Visual Studio.... : Dimmona
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    this is the answer. ignore all the other people lobbying for their favorite language. they're not doing... : dromo5
    • and btw, you can get free tools for either language. : dromo5
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  That depends. Do you want to learn how to methodically break down a problem into its component steps a... : RomSteady
  • Ill take option 2, it works on my machine you must suck.. 8) : Str8Dog
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    I know where you're going with this and I'd agree - but I do maintain that for people looking to start pr... : SiW73
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      I know where you think I was going with this (VB vs. <insert language here>), but I was just trying to de... : RomSteady
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        Oh no, I figured Visual C# vs Everything Else - what is this? 1998? ;) : SiW73
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          Ha ha. I code in C# at work and I'm still lobbying for VB.NET support in XNA, although I do understand t... : RomSteady
          • yeah that how True, False, FileNotFound stuff is crazy! CRAZY I TELL YA! : Str8Dog
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            I was told by someone in the know that the 2nd iteration of XNA coming out along with Visual Studio 2008 ... : derelict515
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              It's supposed to support all Visual Studio .NET SKU's, but as far as I know, it's still C# only for the 3... : RomSteady
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                do you do much with XNA? I was surprised to hear you could use unsafe C# and nonverifiable code when runn... : derelict515
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                  You can't use unsafe C# or nonverifiable code on the 360. The assembly won't load. : RomSteady
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                    Hmm, that was my assumption but the MS guy said it was possible. I'm being lied to. : derelict515
                    • You can use unsafe code in XNA games on the PC. That could be what he meant. : RomSteady
  • the second option plz : sumo-hacker
• LOGO : yonderboy
• rock and chisel : kydaimon
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  I had the best luck with Ruby and Python, the other languages just annoyed me or I lost interest. Not sa... : hawkeye
  • I'd recommend Python as well. : protozone
• python (very, very simple) ruby (fancier) haskell (if you are a maths brain) : jcupitt
• C# is a reasonable starting language. It's easy to write a little bit of code and then see stuff happeni... : electroly
• a scripting language like ruby or python. The are very high level and take very little code to do somethi... : wtf242
• punch cards : cpt_gloval
• Just to throw another option out there, Borland has a free line of development tools too: http://www.t... : SiW73
• It really depends what kind of programming you want to do, and how close to the machine you want to get. ... : ieGod
• TI-83. : Agrona
• ruby http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ http://pragprog.com/titles/fr_ltp : sumo-hacker
• If you have the time, a little bit of C, then some C++, and then C# would give you a fairly rounded view,... : thaperfectdrug
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  ASM : johnsto
  • IAWTP. : omnova
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  ebonics : spectr3
  • yo holla("'sup world!?!") peace : d fluke
• Psuedo code. It works every time. : Robotic Puppy Eater
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  LOLCode is a good choice as well... http://lolcode.com/ HAI CAN HAS STDIO? VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!" ... : Str8Dog
  • There's some gold here: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list : d fluke
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    NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. Anything *remotely* related to LOLCATs is NOT FUNNY. NOT FUNNY. NOT FUNNY. ARGH. : Rice-Rocketeer
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      (I`m sorry. This isn`t a personal issue, I just hate "LOLSPK" with a flaming passion.) : Rice-Rocketeer
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        But...you LOL'ed the antilolcat... http://hosted.romsteady.net/loliltc.jpg : RomSteady
        • THAT'S YOUR FAULT FOR BEING A FUNNY BASTARD. YOU FUCKER. : Rice-Rocketeer
    • Keep denying it all you want, LOLCode is hilarious. : godwit
  • You know it's amazing how readable LOLCODE code actually is. : asdf
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    gotta love malbolge. or piet : Agrona
    • Just don't use Shackcode. One missed tag and your entire program is fucked. : RomSteady
  • Haha, what the hell? Hahaha. : ieGod
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  COBOL. It's gonna be here for fucking ever guys. He might as well just learn it now... : K1Bond007
  • jesus christ college flashback, plsno. : .ka`boom.zZz.
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  Well, I'm sufficiently confused now :( : m0nkz
  • Just go with C#, its easy, you can do command line or GUI based programs easily, and it comes with a worl... : derelict515
  • start program websites instead : xsii
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    what is it you want to do? Give us some idea of what it is you would like to learn to do and we can sugge... : Str8Dog
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      Well, starting with something that I could build a simple game with would be cool I guess. I dunno, I jus... : m0nkz
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        ok, how about XNA. It is a .net framework designed for building games for windows and the xbox using the ... : Str8Dog
        • That sounds cool :o : m0nkz
      • http://shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=15372213 : sumo-hacker
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        Yeah. C# w/ XNA or ActionScript (Flash/Flex) are probably your best choices. Both are free and fun. : adpalumbo
        • ActionScript is prolly an excellent choice as well... : Str8Dog
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        If you want to get into game programming you absolutely want to learn C++ If you are starting from no ... : s2jason
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          given the other options available, he probably won't get satisfying results as quickly with C++. It's my... : adpalumbo
          • Yeah, if you don't have any background C++ can be very overwhelming, but as far as game development that ... : s2jason
        • I would ammend that to say 'If you want to be a game programmer you absolutely want to learn C++.' If you... : derelict515
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        If you want to make a simple game - in the actual "this is my area of play and it is instantly interactiv... : seven
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          So would it probably be better to learn actionscript instead of XNA? : m0nkz
          • I can't say much about ActionScript but C# and XNA is an extremely powerful tool for hobbyist developers ... : derelict515
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            It depends on whether or not you want to make full application games - or web based / desktop based games... : seven
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              Links to tutorials would be great :D : m0nkz
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                http://www.kirupa.com/developer/flash/index.htm is a great place to start. There are whole subsections... : seven
                • Do you know of a good total beginners tutorial? : m0nkz
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                  The older the example is - the less correct the coding form is however This is my biggest argument aga... : SiW73
                  • Yeah - that's why AS3 is a good place to start (it kicks your ass into doing it the right way) - or as I ... : seven
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              This post has lots of good information. Playing with simple math animations in flash will get you up to s... : ieGod
              • dude - nice paralax raidenesque shizzle right there. I dig it. : seven
  • Seriously, just do C#. The only other option as I see it would be to start with C++ so that you can a... : FlatlineDixay
  • I'm learning C#. Its a great language. Combining it with the .net arcitecture (which is just Microsoft do... : silent prophet
  • Sign up for a C++ or java class at your local community college, it will help to clear up the confusion. ... : shortbuscaptain
• al gore makes the internets in 1/2 a line of particularly beautiful code : itsjames
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  At the risk of offending people, I say Python. But when you want to get REAL work done, move to C#. Pytho... : silentw
  • ^^^ speaks truth. : johnsto
• completely depends on your interests and goals. You can do neat things with all the languages out there,... : adpalumbo
• It depends on your intentions. Do you want to code quick, easy applications for whatever it is you want, ... : asdf
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  I'm a developer and i started with basic in HS (in the 80's cause i'm old) Later i took fortran in colleg... : trevis
  • You can program in almost everything for free now. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a popular la... : adpalumbo
  • Bleh, java annoys me. If you're going to learn an OO language why not go C# or python or Ruby? : Hiro
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  french. : CoRDS
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    you can't get anything done in french. all you do is smoke cigarettes, eat cheese, and wear wispy mustac... : adpalumbo
    • so its like pascal then : CoRDS
• Depends on what you're interested in. If you like animation and interactive - Actionscript 2 / 3 would... : seven
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  PASCAL lol : godwit
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    My computer science classes in High School were pascal =/ : action roommate
    • Yup! I started with BASIC on my own, but my first class was PASCAL...Made it easy to pick up C. : AxeMan808
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  32bit MASM, seriously though it helps you understand a lot. : shortbuscaptain
  • I always wanted to create JISM : thaperfectdrug
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    ^^^^ Do this. You can learn alot by going DEEP into how programs work. Were talking controlling indivdual... : Lord Grey
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      It's not worth learning assembly until you've taken a computer architecture course and actually know what... : asdf
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        I wonder if TF2, or Portal required code as low level as ASM? I'd doubt it - with the middleware out t... : seven
        • Nope. It's useful in embedded systems, operating systems, device drivers, etc... and that's about it. ... : asdf
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          The only assembly you'd even conceivably use is in the actual 3d engine itself and I don't think that's r... : derelict515
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            Every time I saw assembly in a game I was testing, it was an indication that there was something heinousl... : RomSteady
            • There's ASM in the Doom source code... are you saying there's something heinously wrong with that code? ... : Maddog_Delphi97
        • Well considering they wrote the middleware, I'm sure there are a few small areas where asm was used. A... : SiW73
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          Pixel shaders are pretty close to assembly. They're about as difficult to debug, as well. : yonderboy
          • Unless you're using HLSL or GLSL. : timmie
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          If you take C++ code and look at the disassembly you will see the opcodes, registers, memory addresses be... : shortbuscaptain
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            Fuck that noise. Back in my day, we had to write using only zeros. : RomSteady
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              My dad started programming when it was still punch cards haha : m0nkz
              • same, he always reminisced about it when we went on college tours through the computer science department... : derelict515
        • _asm { int 3; } : Enigme
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      lol : derelict515
      • iawtp : FlatlineDixay
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      Also if you're a noob, there's no point in complicating the LEARNING of programming with compilers, linke... : asdf
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        umm, you still have compilers, linkers and makefiles in java. also, java is not interpreted. : dromo5
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          Surely you understood his point of just clicking Compile->Build in the IDE rather than having to write a ... : derelict515
          • surely you understand the same thing can be said of practically any language, so what bearing does that h... : dromo5
        • I meant an interprested language, OR something like java. forgot the comma. : asdf
    • he's 23 already, a bit late imho to learn assembly or C : Enigme
• .bat files : sexninja!!!!
• Q-basic for the fucking win. : med1c
• I hear really good things about C#. I am learning Lua, but that is cheating because I'm working with s... : Zhaneel
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  Start with JAVA, then learn C++, the other stuff isn't "real" Object Oriented Programming. If you want... : Amnesty_intl2
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    I'm really trying to figure out why you're recommending C++ after Java. : action roommate
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      Because it's extremely easy vs C++? : Amnesty_intl2
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        iawtp. trying to understand programming concepts, patterns, structures, is a lot easier when you aren't ... : sticman77
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          That was a bad example. You should rarely see pointers in C++ -- at least in a dangerous way. But yes, ... : adpalumbo
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            pointers in C++ are extremely confusing for new programmers, no 2 ways about it : derelict515
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              Yeah, I've been saying the whole time that C++ is a poor language for learning... but not because of poin... : adpalumbo
              • Maybe I see it differently since I used C++ for doing graphics programming (for shitty little Mode 13h ga... : sticman77
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            Using linked lists/stacks/queues is one of best ways to teach people about object structures and interact... : sticman77
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              This is starting to get off-topic... but if you insist on teaching those concepts in C++, you should be d... : adpalumbo
              • I guess I should've realized that not programming in C++ heavily since middle school, and two college cla... : sticman77
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                I couldn't disagree more. If you want to learn the concepts of abstract data types, you're not going to : electroly
                • you can use STL containers without using STL algorithms. You can also safely demonstrate deeper principl... : adpalumbo
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            And why should his introduction to programming, be an introduction to OOP? : action roommate
            • Don't ask me! I said it depends on what he wanted to do, and then suggested C#/XNA or ActionScript once ... : adpalumbo
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    what 'other stuff'? C#, Python and Ruby are all 'real' OOP : derelict515
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      C# is, but ruby will teach him bad programming habits. : Amnesty_intl2
      • I don't disagree necessarily, but that doesn't make it not real OOP : derelict515
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        what? : adpalumbo
        • Probably a BDSM fetishist. static typing : vigilante
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  JAVASCRIPT! I'm serious. Hear me out. It might not be the best language ever, but this guide makes it a r... : Geoffrois
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    Noooooooooo - don't start with Javascript. Noooo! : seven
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      It may not be the best, but I also I don't see why not. You can learn all the basics (control structur... : action roommate
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        JavaScript totally doesn't get the respect it deserves. It's got every modern feature you could ask for.... : electroly
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          Exactly what I think. People think Javascript and they can only think about web browsers and the cluster : action roommate
          • right on. Javascript is a very sophisticated language. : adpalumbo
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          Further to your point, in a moderately well-known article (among javascript nerds), Douglas Crockford cal... : action roommate
          • gimme classes - screw prototype. And - obviously there's major performance issues. As well as niggl... : seven
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          JavaScript is awesome, people just don't know how to use it... at all : MikkleThePickle
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            :( : seven
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              :) http://www.extjs.com/ is the framework I'm working with at the office... it's fantastic. Javascript... : MikkleThePickle
              • I'm looking forward to the new javascript adobe are working on - based on AS. It's not that I particul... : seven
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  C. Its like the latin of modern languages. : GloriousCow
  • <3 C : wasylm
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    i'm gonna agree with this as well. if you can program well in C you can tear apart most other languages. : eeeealmo
    • i'd go for a higher level language (i.e. scheme). you'll get to use stuff that's pretty danged hard to d... : sumo-hacker
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      except for that whole object oriented thing : derelict515
      • I don't disagree, except of course inside your objects it's all about procedural statements again. : te[R]ror
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    No, it's like cave grunts to modern languages. C lacks any kind of run-time flexibility. And that was ... : adpalumbo
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      Latin is a legacy language that is rarely used... sounds a lot like C to me :) : electroly
      • yeah but at least C is good for something : derelict515
      • yeah, I realized that by the end of my post. But hell if I was going to back down just because the origi... : adpalumbo
  • I started with C : RikiTiki2
  • You can learn a lot from an in-depth study of C. However, it's not the best for learning basics like con... : Arcanum
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    Crap no. Almost anything is better than this. C++, Java, C#, and Pascal would ALL be better than C to s... : Zero|DPX
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      Pascal?? : GloriousCow
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        C highly influenced three of the languages you mentioned. Its worth learning because the influence of C o... : GloriousCow
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          That's like saying it's better to learn Latin before any other language because it's influenced so many. ... : Zero|DPX
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            seriously I could not disagree more. Learn how to get things done yourself before you rely on helpers and... : Trepex
            • It's so annoying jumping into Java after AS3 - instead of standard equality shorthand - you have to use a... : seven
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      dumb. learn basic C before jumping into object oriented programming. come ON now... : Trepex
      • C++ has a lot of things that make life easier, even if you ignore OO entirely. : yakz
  • He won't get the instant satisfaction that he's probably looking for. I love C with all my heart but tryi... : ieGod
• If you are doing this for fun, than really ANY OF THESE suggestions would be fine. Once you learn one pr... : sticman77
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  Hindi : drucifer
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    completely insensitive, but admittedly funny. : biskits
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      I don't think it's insensitive... more like realistic. And more power to them! : drucifer
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        I thought all those jobs were going to be going to Mexico now. : capt tripps
        • Good, i speak some spanish, I don't speak any hindi. Both have hot women, so it's all good : Ebu
• It doesn't really matter. If you have someone that will be able to answer your questions in real life th... : vigilante
• What kind of programming do you want to do? UI-centric programming? Database development? Or just the bas... : digital_d
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  PROLOG : electroly
  • lol @ prolog : Maddog_Delphi97
  • What are you, a masochist? : dopeman
• I'd say C#. It's a good language to learn object oriented programming. Also it can be a lot of fun. You c... : mnok
• Matlab script ! : gmd
• lolcode : skynet
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  shacktags. If you master them, you can do any language. : Spezzer
  • lets not get too advanced too quickly : aeg1x
• IT'S A TRAP : pres589
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  VBA if you use Office applications regularly. : Priest77
  • You can control Office applications (such as reading a spreadsheet, writing a spreadsheet, etc) from insi... : Maddog_Delphi97
• assembly : fuzzydamnit
• Visual Basic.net stuff isn't that bad. : phil_mckraken
• C# or Java : Clay
• wait shacking isnt programming? damn guess I gotta remove that from the resume : fathertime
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  Ruby, get "learn to program" great beginner book for a great language. : Grandmoff
  • But how transferable are those skills? Ruby, from what examples I've seen posted here, is a rather bizarr : Ebu
• Go for C#. Nice technology, great tools (Visual Studio Express), good community. : matthaeus
• Start now: http://tryruby.hobix.com/ You can do it in your browser! : Neech
• C if you want to be a good programmer : MoreVespeneGas