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• That would be cool but I don't think it will happen. : pancake humper
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  Only map I'm bored of is 2fort. Man it's boring compared to the other maps. : aeg1x
  • It's crazy but I agree. 2Fort is my least favorite map. : Sexpansion Pack
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    It's my favorite since I love the dynamic of it. But I would totally get bored of it if I played it all t... : freshyk
    • I also wanted to say that we need more CTF maps and a hunted map. : freshyk
  • Yes, but I want more CTF maps : rosewood
  • 2fort is a nice break from all the other maps. NEED MORE CTF MAPS : anthonybean
  • agreed, it's the only one I don't really like playing. : edgewise
  • yah I've already played 2fort for the better part of 10yrs.. I'm fucking sick of it! : Shadowdane
  • I haven't even gotten to play it yet. Every time I'm on a Shack server it's Wells or the Wild West loo... : Vincent Grayson
  • I played 2Fort for over 8 hours straight last weekend... =^[ : DooBall
  • It gets better with 32 players. People start actually going for the flag and defenses become critical whe... : eldiablo01
• thanks for ruining the surprise, DICK : Korban
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  I get a chuckle with every healthpak I pick-up. Maybe we'll get new zounds as well? : Werkin
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    totally, I was kind of disappointed that some of the sounds were straight out of HL2. : Modulus
    • Same here. I doubt it will be changed, but it is a sore spot. : re-verse
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    Those just HAVE to be placeholders. They have to be. Please? : Silent Sorrow
    • I think it's a nice nod to Half-life 2 : RikiTiki2
  • What's wrong with using the same sound? There are only so many little dings and doodles you can make whe... : Omaha
• Well if you listen to the commentaries we currently only have 3 maps. The button for >>>MORE is grayed ou... : Iwannaacura
• Well now everyone is going to be dissapointed when that doesn't happen! : scottythejock
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  I predict we'll get rock2. : manero
  • I demand sawmill. : snuff
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    Rock2 makes no sense without detpacks. Rock1 could work though. : Liquid
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      I miss detpacks. :( : guido anchovy
      • Yeah! me too : suqur
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  Get it out of your head that they've been working on TF2 for 10 years. They haven't. They originally we... : deathofrats
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    Yeah, I know, I was being rhetorical. Point being, clearly they've worked on it long enough that six maps... : Silent Sorrow
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      Sorry, wrong again. Valve has said recently that they are working on new maps, but they will not charge ... : deathofrats
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        It really is amazing that they somehow only managed to come up with six maps--a couple of which are actua... : Silent Sorrow
        • I agree there should be more maps. This and DoD both suffered from lack of maps. : deathofrats
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      Did you guys not listed to the commentary about maps????? I wish people would listen to them. : Iwannaacura
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        G'day mate, I'm Robin Walker. We made this because the original TF2 was flippin' hard to make. Ay'ts not ... : snuff
        • seriously? im gonna listen to this now : askedrelic
        • WOW I almost spilled my drink. I really was not expecting that. Its ironic you said that because last nig... : Iwannaacura
      • I never listen to commentaries. Also, I never watch the "extras" on DVDs. True story. : Silent Sorrow
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  SIGNED AND DOUBLE STAMPED : Slowtreme
  • oh misreply : Slowtreme
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  The commentary says that with multiplayer games people only play a handful of the maps over and over and ... : nudel
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    Too bad people are already getting bored of the small set of maps. I would not be sad if servers took 2f... : TreMetal
    • granary's starting to get awesome now that we're figuring out ways to counter scout rushes : RikiTiki2
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  We need Rock :( : Majuju
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    It's coming, but not as you know it. ;) : pancake humper
    • It had better be a "Take the enemy key to their gas room" map. : guido anchovy
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  Didn't the hunted map get released with a later patch in tf? I forget. Anyway tf2 needs a hunted map ba... : romulan
  • Hunted remains my favorite TFC map/gametype. : wunderbred
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    Is there a vip model in the tf2 package? : re-verse
    • i really hope there is at some time, this was my favorite game type : nepharious
• Bet not. You heard it hear first. : mrwolf710
• no : lakren
• I thought they made a statement saying this wasn't the case. Their goal was to release a handful of reall... : ZombieAcademy
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  Badlands please. Was always my favorite map in TFC. : glio1337
  • Ugh, I hated badlands! TFC was all about well and crossover2. : Omaha
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    They seem to be trying to distance themselves from TFC. And I thank them for it. : Slowtreme
    • ^^^^^^ I agree 100% : RikiTiki2
• im sure that many many more maps will start to surface as people build them : m0rfus
• Is Portal due to ship with only 10 levels? That's a rumor I heard... : Ride-My-Rocket
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  Even with games like UT which have a gazillion maps, only like 3-4 are really played online... Most just ... : razorblade79
  • yeah but its nice to choose the preferred maps rather than have them be decided for you : Unleashed
• more ctf maps please, and make it real ctf : moshman
• no they wont, and they will get away with it. : maulla
• noticed on Well there are signs pointing to intelligence even though it's a capture point map. Makes me ... : haccess
• They created 3 or 4 different TF2 games in that decade. This is the one that they decided to release. : sumo-hacker
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  I miss the hunted :( That map was so fun : m0nkz
  • I agree! : dmason

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• For old funk alternative, listen to Talking Heads' album Remain in Light (if you haven't already). That'... : wunderbred
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  Maxïmo Park is my current favorite indie-pop-rock band out there, check them out. : nomaad
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    I love Books From Boxes indicative of the rest of the album / their earlier work? Really like that tune. : cause&effect
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      God my English sucks today. ^^ "is that indicative of the rest of their album?" : cause&effect
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        Yeah definitely. Check out their first album "A Certain Trigger" as well. : nomaad
        • A Certain Trigger is an excellent album. : owtwerd
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  new sound in hip-hop shouldn't be Kanye but rather Aesop Rock or Madlib : redfive
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    man i hate aesop... : agentlead
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      I think Aesop is some good stuff. I recently picked up Fast Cars Danger Fire and Knives. Great wordplay, ... : Ajax
      • Aesop is awesome. His new CD came out a few weeks ago and its as good as always. I wish everyone could ge... : derelict515
• www.myspace.com/teamalliance 18 n life : agentlead
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  Queens of the Stone Age. You'll like it. I think. : snowwolf
  • ^^^^ so badass live : AroundTheFur1380
  • New album sucks, but their old stuff is good. : pupismyname
• CHROMEO will fill your Jamiroquai needs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXuESUaESHY : Vantage
• Kanye is a pissant of a whiner. Benny Benassi, Iio or anything by Nadia Ali. Freezepop! : AhmNee
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  In the Modest Mouse vein (warning not all completely new): Beulah Cold War Kids Decemberists I'm fr... : Jenings
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    I was going to cry if nobody mentioned Built to Spill. Isaac Brock has mentioned them a few times as insp... : skankcore
    • Whats up fellow good music listing buddy? : Jenings
• Jamiroquai possibly indicates a weakness to JUSTICE. : shitkatapult
• Saul Williams and El-P are some good NIN-friendly hip-hop. : Geoffrois
• I've been on a Matt Good kick lately: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8nCCeRPa5E : pyros
• !!!, The Good, Bad, and the Queen, Supergrass : kainen1
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  Jamie Lidell - Multiplicity Trust me, you will love this shit. A member of the band Soul Collider frea... : Sexpansion Pack
  • I second this, since you like Jamiroquai. : deathofrats
• Do you listen to the mixtape show? It's a great hip hop podcast. http://www.mixtapeshow.net/ "Each... : knepus
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  If you're into the James Brown Funky Time™ type stuff, James Brown is a good bet :) Also, : mafu5150
  • So who knows how come ascii symbols don't post properly? : mafu5150
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  If you like NIN, might I suggest you try Ministry, KMFDM or perhaps Front Line Assembly. : Lone Swordsman
  • Ministry "Halloween" , KMFDM "Godlike" : zagzig32
• needs more classic rock! : changejar419
• I'd recommend Talib Kweli's latest release, Eardrum. Kanye did some production work and overall I'd say t : Ajax
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  Indie: Pinback, The Shins : pupismyname
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    Second on Pinback. Also praps' check out Sunny Day Real Estate for older indie stuff. : Jiven
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      seeing pinback tonight. : feek
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        Saw them Sunday. Good show. Not as good as Interpol was last night, but still great. Those guys are hella... : coldfusioncs
        • i've seen them a couple times before, and it's been pretty good. actually, im not positive im going to go... : feek
        • did Liars open for them? how were they? im thinking about seeing that show tonight, even though i'm not... : pandastrong
  • I will 2nd The Shins : kanix
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  Feist, Dr. Dog, n{Death In Vegas}n : industro
  • oh wait- Cornelius, too : industro
  • Feist seconded! Bright Eyes, Cody Chesnutt , Magnetic Fields ,Belle & Sebastian , damien rice, The Old... : gummijoh
• Combichrist, Icon of Coil, Front Line Assmebly : m0rfus
• Aggrolites http://www.aggroreggae.com/ because you need more soul with your music : cpt_gloval
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  TV On The Radio : EvilDolemite
  • ^^^ Seconded : Vangoghs Ear
• If you like NIN, you should check out KMFDM : Str8Dog
• Atari Teenage Riot if you like noise : cpt_gloval
• For the Jamiroquai branch try these bands: !!! (three exclamation points) The Lovemakers Architectur... : Matt Burris
• human television, rites of spring, boat, mineral, http://magicmarkerrecords.com/bands.html : feek
• Spoon, Interpol, Explosions in the Sky, The Life and Times. Do it, do it now. : coldfusioncs
• Check out the nominees from the polaris music prize (indie canadian music): http://www.polarismusicpri... : Rag and Bone Man
• the new weakerthans album is good. : feek
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  you already mentioned Mew... how about Death Cab for Cutie also : jvox
  • and The Postal Service : shavenewok
  • :( : pyros
• the latest Muse album is really good : kn1fe
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  God, I love you guys. : Modica Sol Solis
  • I'm already lubed up and ready to go : pyros
• lately i've been listening to a lot of Andrew Bird. : pandastrong
• Tribe Called Quest; Laibach : dognose
• The New Deal -- might remind you of Jamiroquai. less funk, more like live house/downtempo with a dose of... : Postal
• Swap Kanye for Common / Talib Kweli / Mos Def (and Black Star, Mos's work with Kweli). : snagger
• The Shins, Feist and Tegan and Sara have all released awesome albums this year. : shavenewok
• earth : arizona bay
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  industrial bands that sound like NIN is kinda tough, he really did forge his own sound out nicely, but th... : -=kodiak=-
  • oh yes, forgot to mention this group... Cubanate....... shame this guy didnt get noticed back then in the... : -=kodiak=-

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  And it's not cheat protected?! : pancake humper
  • Not as far as I can tell...My friend just tried it and he confirmed it works for him too. The weird pa... : ImageOmega
  • based on the name of the variable, I bet it can be overriden by the server. : Bingo
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  ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? : flasher 907
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    P.S. Thanks a lot Valve for ignoring thousands of forum posts on this topic when there was an existing so... : flasher 907
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      Perhaps they didn't ignore it and added it in the update? : sumo-hacker
      • Yeah they had to have added this, typing fov in the console only autocompleted fov. fov_desired wasn't th... : snuff
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  Confirming this. I just did it on a shack server. How would I go about making fov_desired 90 default when... : moogle
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    modify your config.cfg or add an autoexec.cfg which loads anything when the game starts as long as... : Iwannaacura
    • Seems that just doing it in game made it default in my config.cfg already. : moogle
    • btw, this is where you would put your autoexec.cfg file: C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\<email>\team... : vynn
  • I hope we don't see a message from Valve stating that the cvar wasn't intended to be in the game and will... : vynn
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  What about for widescreen users? It does feel a little pushed in compared to CS:S, but I never noticed it... : aggressor
  • I'm wondering this too. I might have to try this when I get home. : CapnChaos
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    CSS uses 90 on my 16:10 : flasher 907
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      No, that can't be right. : aggressor
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        type `default_fov` in the console : flasher 907
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          sorry that's default_fov : flasher 907
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            dammit, why are the underscores not appearing? : flasher 907
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              I see them. : Deathlove
              • I see them, too : ConfusedUs
            • I see them, but try again. : snuff
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          Having a FOV of 90 with a 16:10 would cause the aspect ratio to be fucked. It can't be 90! : aggressor
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            Sorry, was wrong about the AR. But it would still look jacked up :O : aggressor
            • Even though the FOV is set to 90, it's actually still a wider FOV when you are using a widescreen aspect ... : vynn
          • I think they auto adjust it depending on ratio..... after you entered the desired fov : pieman
      • It's right. Just like CS:S, it uses the same FOV no matter what aspect ratio. The game does add to the ho... : vynn
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    I'm gonna use 120 or 130 on my widescreen : Crimsonbeak
    • Max is 90. It won't go any higher. : moogle
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  how the hell do you enable the console? : ConfusedUs
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    -console in launch options.. or I think you can set it in game in an advanced options somewhere. : TreMetal
    • Yes, its a checkbox that says developer console. : chungathebunga
  • Advanced pefrences under "Keyboard". : Kazomir
• nice find... :D : Shadowdane
• this just went in with the latest update. : manero
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  That's different from the other FOV command right? I saw another thread where a guy did all sorts o... : hawke
  • that one was done with cheats enabled and the standard fov command : RikiTiki2
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  Very interesting.. I wonder if you can also create an alias that would work as an on/off sniper zoom like... : AndyGoin
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    MegaTF HWguy's secondary attack + fov 10 = sniper rifle. :P : guido anchovy
    • I love/miss MegaTF :( : Patch-e
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    You know, prior to TF2's release, I agreed with you 100%. I wanted nothing more than to let the sniper ch... : InfoBiter
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      What's changed since the original TF to make this the case? That the sniper would be unstoppable if they... : AndyGoin
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        Back then the fastest home internet connection was isdn with a ping time of 200. : socksta
        • No, we had lower pings that that, that was about my 56k ping. I was a LPB for a while playing QWTF. A... : AndyGoin
• this needs to be tagged interesting! thanks mate! It can only up my ownage another notch! : chilln
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  To clarify, the FOV range you can use is minimum 75 (default) to maximum 90. So, stuff like fov_desire... : ImageOmega
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    Kinda sucks for us wide screen users. It feels a little pushed in compared to CS:S : aggressor
    • 90 is still a lot better than 75 for widescreen gaming, although I would like 102 myself. : Matt Burris
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      On wide screen it's actually wider than 90 Someone here did the math the other day. : Slowtreme
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        I know it's wider than 90, but it's still not where it normally is in games like CS:S : aggressor
        • It is if you use the new 90 degree setting : Slowtreme
    • The FOV is based off of 4:3 screens. If you use a widescreen resolution it will still say the same FOV, b... : TrptJim
• +inf this beotch : digital_d
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  so you can see more on the sides with 90 versus 75? or is it all around top and bottom you can see more ... : flubba79
  • You see more on the sides as well as the top and bottom. It's just like zooming the whole view out a litt... : vynn
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  Very nice! I never had a big problem with them locking it at 75, as I'm a believer of "the developer k... : OverloadUT
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    The good developers constantly tweak, change and rebalance things. They don't get it exactly right with t... : vynn
    • yeah it's still a beta! : industro
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  Are there any other console tweaks for TF2, especially that would smooth out performance? I get absolu... : ConfusedUs
  • drop your default dps. i think default is fps_max 300 drop it to 200 or something. (if these are ... : Iwannaacura
• Strangely the fov in TF2 has not bothered me at all, though I will give 90 a whirl. : TreMetal
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  Is it set to 90 by default if you have a widescreen monitor? Got a 16:10 here. : sumo-hacker
  • The default fov is 75. I am pretty sure your resolution (monitor type) is independent of this. : ImageOmega
• Can someone go try this and take screens showing the difference? : AndyGoin
• very nice find. thanks! : redfive
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  75 is criminal. 90 is the minimum that should be allowed. : Dynotaku
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    Why do developers like 75 so much? : pyrogen
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      it's cheaper on your processor to draw : Slowtreme
      • Your average fps drop from 90-75 is 1-3fps which is nothing. If they are trying to cut corners because o... : Chod
    • i blame halo : brewsterdog
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  Screenshots: (1440x900) http://www.emptydrink.com/granary_fov75.png http://www.emptydrink.com/gran... : cltcprd
  • and now I will switch to fov 90. thanks! : hirez
  • Ahh now maybe that cramped feeling will go away! : hashd
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    Oh wow, you need to up your texture resolution =P : famine101
    • Athlon 3200 XP 1 GB Ram 6800 GT I need to buy a new computer first :) : cltcprd
  • ahhh thumbs up : tunis5000
• it.... WORKS... O_O :D :D : Downforce
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  Screens from 2Forts showing difference: Middle Room http://www.notworksafe.com/ctf_2fort0000.png htt... : AndyGoin
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    Crap didnt even look at the link clicked and bam data security violation owned by TF2 screenshots not eve... : hashd
    • yeah. I caught that before I clicked. : hirez
    • same here. : carazy
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    yaaaaayyyyyy. not that i really play, but im glad someone finally figured it out. 90fov for 5:4 and 10... : smacknca
    • max is 90. : ImageOmega
  • Sucks that it looks so much nicer at 75 to me. I know 90 is the advantage though...dunno what i'll do. : Boxelder
• hot damn! thanks! : moshman
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  4:3 and 16:10 comparisions at 90 FOV http://home.comcast.net/~richeyk/1280x768_90fov.jpg http://home.... : vynn
  • It's been like that since day one of TF2. With all the fov75 backlash you just couldn't hear people tryin... : Slowtreme
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  helps so much vs scouts trying to bash you in the head : neodoom
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    Ya, melee combat was one of the most frustrating things to me with the 75 FOV. : vynn
    • Agreed. Oh god this is great now. : AlexXdude
  • this will no doubt hurt scouts and spys the most. : edgewise
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  Uh, can the Shack servers force 75? I kinda like 75 :( : Damodred
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    You can still leave your own FOV at 75. : vynn
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      you're like the people who are against M+KB controls : boring gegtik
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        what? that makes no sense : vynn
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          yeah i meant to reply to the parent of your post ftw : boring gegtik
          • lol, cool : vynn
  • please diaf : Gauss
  • bahahah what the? : brewsterdog
  • oh god no : AlexXdude
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    Wow, I guess my opinion is WRONG :P Anyone know offhand what UT2003's FOV was? That made me unable to pla... : Damodred
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      Opinion? You were just asking if the shack servers could FORCE fov 75. That's not an opinion my friend.... : deathofrats
      • I think he meant he didn't want to be forced to use 90. Perhaps he thinks it's a server setting. : c0bra
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        Erm, yes it is. Just like you want them to force 90? : Damodred
        • per-client setting, not a server setting : c0bra
        • As someone else said, it is a client setting not a server setting... and either way you didn't state an o... : Zeeliv
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      Changing FOV doesn't stretch anything. The the entire point. : Zeeliv
      • er that's the entire point. : Zeeliv
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      lllllllmao you wanted to force the shack server to 75 because you think it looks like stretch ass.... aha... : boring gegtik
      • it's a little know easter egg. Setting the fov to 90 displays a pic of goatsecx : Modulus
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        It does! http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=15219547#itemanchor_15219547 Everything's tiny and far aw... : Damodred
        • It looks that way because you're no longer running around with a slightly zoomed-in view all the time. :... : vynn
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          If things were stretched, they would be distorted. Circles would look oval, squares would be rectangle...... : Zeeliv
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            Yes yes, wrong word. I felt like my eyeballs were stretched and seeing more than I should. I had this in ... : Damodred
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              i'm not sure about ut2003, but 2004 was defaulted to 80 or 90 (can't remember) with a menu option to go u... : pyide
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                the internet says the default was 90. : pyide
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                  Actually, John Carmack and Tim Sweeney did. How could you argue with a rocket scientist? :) : vynn
                  • i cannot argue with that! but i was one of the freaks that used 110 fov in quakes and unreals on a 4:3 sc... : pyide
  • lolz... while playing SoF2 for the CAL league, I enjoyed using my NON-widescreeen supported fov_105 ... : hoopfam4
• woohoo! great find :D : lowpoly
• I'm curious to see if this cures anything for the people that were experiencing motion sickness... May... : ImageOmega
• bigup the 115+ QuakeWorld FOV crew! : mwasher
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  Does this have any meaningful impact on FPS? : Boxelder
  • not noticeably : Nihil ME
  • On limited hardware it will have an impact for sure. For the average 12mo old PC. you wont notice it at a... : Slowtreme
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  It also seems like they upped the rocket speed : Crimsonbeak
  • I'd tend to agree too. Seems I was eating alot more rockets last night while sniping on 2fort than ever : logik?
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    I think people are just stopping sucking with the soliders. My kill death ratio with a solider is probab... : Boxelder
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      The only problem I have with Soldiers is the fact that they are useless at medium to far range against ot... : MrLobo
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        Far range yeah, but medium is just a matter of employing some prediction skills, and if you played much q... : Boxelder
        • I don't rocketjuimp 'cos I just damage myself, but I agree with your other points. I'm actually getting p... : Silent Sorrow
        • It's not a lack of prediction, it's the fact that they are slow enough to dodge them. I've met other sold... : Old_Fart
    • No I play a soldier usually. The rockets are faster, reload seems a bit faster as well. They also don't... : Crimsonbeak
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      AND they can rocket jump. You can jump straight to the battlements on 2fort, and gain higher ground on ma... : Izanaki
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        SWEET! I was really hoping they'd increase the rocket jump. Does that mean the splash damage is a bit str... : vynn
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          No it's been like this since day one, people just don't know how to do it properly (the secret is to crou... : Izanaki
          • Great, more crouch-jump silliness. thx : vynn
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            Crouch jump, or jump crouch? In other words, do you jump up and crouch in mid-air ("jump crouch"), sorta'... : Bold
            • I look down, jump, crouch, fire rocket. In that order. : Izanaki
• This makes it easier to judge the Pyros flame. It's a FPS hit though. : skinlab133
• I love you.]P : tree8
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  +inf this biatch :) : MrGrindy
  • I said this already. They didn't listen. : digital_d
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  YOU ARE A FUCKING LIFESAVER OH MY GOD : pyide
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    I KISS YOU. so was this always in there, hidden.. or was it added in an update? : pyide
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      apparently it's new with the latest update : vynn
      • well i hope they don't take it out because people are complaining the other way. i can play the game wi... : pyide
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  It's funny, it just reminds me how stupid I think games look at 90, all distorted and shit. : SiW73
  • Goddamit YES! I'm not alone :[ : Damodred
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    90 FOV has been the de facto standard for FPS games. It's what most of us are used to from playing prior ... : vynn
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      I know. And I've always thought it looked stupid. When modern games do it, I feel like I jumped back to... : SiW73
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        okay, this is a troll, right? good one, lol. : pyide
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          I agree with him. Stuff looks distorted and weird. I've been playing PC games since, what, 1993 (not th... : Chris Remo
          • it's really crazy seeing someone like you who knows PC games say something like that. I've never heard an... : pyide
      • You've been playing too much Halo. :) But seriously, at least you have the option to lower your FOV to... : vynn
  • haha, are you serious? 75 is zoomed in like a weak sniper rifle, doesn't get any stupider than that. ... : pyide
  • your brain is fucked : moshman
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    Agreed. It suddenly looks like youre flying around 3D rendering software instead of a place. The flatter ... : jake2000
    • Yup. :[ : Damodred
    • Can't we just find a happy median at 82.5? : pigvomit
    • Your eyes r broek. : headless
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  they let you change FOV in a MP game? : byorn
  • The range is restricted between 75 and 90, so you can't cheat by creating zoom aliases or anything like t... : vynn
  • within reason. you can't go below 75 or above 90 with this new command. 75 is probably what they think l... : pyide
• THANK YOU JAH JAH : Mansmells
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  so does this fov change stick? or am I going to have to re-enter it everytime? : edgewise
  • it persists : RikiTiki2
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  why is this not +inf yet? : pieman
  • Because we called Valve fags. What more can we do? : Maddog_Delphi97
• I wish this could be triple inf'd This is vital information. : TheTick
• lol fov nerds : rudds
• Is there a way to get this changed permanently instead of redoing it in console every launch? : Edges
• Low FOV has become such a internet-cultural phenomon that it has to be used in some reference in DNF (sin... : ballystix

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  they should have done what sega did with shenmue 2 and include a dvd video of the story with it. : CoRDS
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    Didn't the beginning of Halo 2 recap what happened in Halo 1? I would have thought Halo 3 would do the sa... : cause&effect
    • it shouldn't be a forced vid at the beginning but it should be an option from the menu or something : CoRDS
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    The Legendary Edition has the cinematics from 1&2 on one of the bonus discs. The Limited Edition might t... : action roommate
    • should be on all of them. : CoRDS
    • its only on the Legendary Edition : Shadowdane
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  Which reminds me, I need a recap of what happened at the end of halo 2. I just remember being pissed off... : rosewood
  • "I'm finishing this fight!" *credits* : pancake humper
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    I remember a giant tree and me laughing : bozer
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      I remember that tree and being confused as fuck. That part of halo 2 was like the end parts of MGS2 to me... : sigpro
      • Im sorry... what? both of you said something about a giant tree at the end of H2.. ?? : bam87
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  A series this big really should invest in a recap of "the story so far" type thing for the very start of ... : GeorgeB3DR
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    The first section of the game manual is a "story recap". I guess people don't read game manuals anymore : action roommate
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      I know and it sucks. They make great bathroom reading material when you get a new game. : sigpro
      • ^^ Knows what time it is! : GonzoRookie
      • Every time I buy a new game, I come home and take a massive shit (talkin 15/20 minutes) and read the manu... : Modica Sol Solis
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      I usually play the game right away for a couple of hours and then read the manual that night in bed. : Lawgiver
      • Eat lunch, guy game on way back to work, read manual while using the bathroom after lunch, play game, get... : sigpro
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      Nobody reads manuals. : GeorgeB3DR
      • When I was younger I never read them, as it was a fun challenge to try to figure out that aspect of the g... : riptyde
      • My dad used to not let me use anything I bought, or he bought until I had read the manual. To this day I... : unjustend
  • It's called the Legendary Edition w/ the halo 1 and 2 cutscenes on the extra dvd : sigpro
  • In the manual it explains whats happened so far. : rhuntley12
  • I think the point being that you want to make sure people are all on the same page, and the only way to d... : GeorgeB3DR
  • "Previously on Halos..." : nudel
  • I loved it when Xenosaga pt III had a huge library of plot details and whatnot from the first two games, ... : Vincent Grayson
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  Im going to go ahead here and say something that will probably get a lot of "wtf" posts. What video game ... : bozer
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    Xenogears! : Spezzer
    • EOT : megarust32
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    Mafia, Kotor, Mass Effect (hopefully), Bioshock, others I can't think of right now. : sigpro
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      Never got into Kotor, never played Mafia,, BioShock was the only game I could think of with a cool story.... : bozer
      • Yeah, the Half-Life series goes back and forth between highbrow and lowbrow sci-fi constantly. Its kind ... : wunderbred
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        Do yourself a huge favor and play KoTOR. You can go ahead and skip number 2; while containing the same fu... : Entity
        • I can't play Kotor because I really hate star wars. So any quality story telling would be marred by the f... : avatar_58
        • I bought and sold it. I just cant get into the turned based stuff. Like "press A" and watch the guy shoot... : bozer
  • All of the major RPG series have a great story where you would have had to have played the previous games... : skizl
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    planescape torment, fallout, deus ex, system shock 2 : JINKY
    • ^^ P:T! : Anti_dentite
    • ding, ding, ding, ding : derelict515
  • I agree with you. Except Bioshock seems good. I never got why people thought Half-Life was good. It'sstan... : Silent Sorrow
  • Pretty much any quality RPG : carazy
  • Street Fighter 2 : boring gegtik
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    Chrono Trigger, Betrayal at Krondor, Final Fantasy IV, V, VI, Fallout (mostly backstory, but very interes... : avatar_58
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      "Final Fantasy IV" made me cry. : RomSteady
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        At least he didn't say Mystic Quest. :P That being said, I liked playing MQ for the music. : guido anchovy
        • p.s. I love FF4 and played the hell out of the SNES and GBA versions. : guido anchovy
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          Now I'll have that damned music in my head all day. :o Thanks. Seriously though as a guilty pleasure MQ i... : avatar_58
          • Yeah, I didn't mind it as it's own standalone game. I wish they put monsters in random spots though, but... : guido anchovy
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            Agreed, MQ is a good game, just not FF quality. I just got all nostalgic about playing a game boy Final ... : Blucklesworth
            • FF Legend III was fun! :D : guido anchovy
    • <3 Final Fantasy VI. I hope to find the time someday for IV and V as well. The only 3 FF games that matte... : Kazomir
  • Story, or story-telling? Half-Life has a pretty meh story, but great story-telling. The Marathon games ha... : tashtego
  • What do you mean by "good"? You mean, complex and novel-like? Or effectively told and powerful? : EvilDolemite
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  I tried to play Halo 1. Didn't like it. Apparently, I might have given up on it too early. But it's h... : Silent Sorrow
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    i don't think there was anything fresh or innovative about the game back then... maybe just that it was p... : dantastic
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      Halo was awesome despite being on console, not because of it. : vigilante
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        being on a console was the only reason it WAS good. there was nothing innovative, revolutionary, or evol... : Korban
        • Bullshit, I hated that fucking controller but the game was so much fun that I got over it. Being on a co... : vigilante
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          Oh STFU. We've gone over this before and you are wrong. GeorgeB says you are wrong http://www.shacknew... : sigpro
          • haha I was just about to show him the GeorgeB link. : h o s t i l e
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            What the hell, I started reading the posts there and almost started replying to some of them because it l... : Grimp
            • its the same people each time : derelict515
        • you are wrong : derelict515
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          I agree if it was a PC release, it would not have sold ANYWHERE near the copies it sold on xbox. : Pneum0
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            well there's a bold statement but not : derelict515
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              Meaning you disagree? : Pneum0
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                as in it would sell less by necessity, PC games don't sell as well as console ones. Halo wasn't big solel... : derelict515
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                  "Halo" (the one game) has outsold the "Half-Life 2" franchise as a whole. : RomSteady
                  • BUT THAT'S ONLY CUZ ITS ON A CONSOLE!!!! ITS NOT ACTUALLY GOOD! CONSOLES NOOOOOBBS!123e : derelict515
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        How about this question: Would Halo 1 have been the smash hit it was if the identical game had been relea... : Silent Sorrow
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          Doubt it. There aren't that many PC gamers and Bungie obviously designed the game to be played on a cons... : vigilante
          • I didn't mean whether I care if it was a smash hit. It was a neutral question in response to your origina... : Silent Sorrow
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          Halo 1 PC was a pretty big success and was a great time but they really screwed up on Halo 2. Vista only ... : Kazomir
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            Halo 1 PC was TERRIBLE! I tried to play though it, but ugh. BORING. : FormerHPB
            • That's your opinion, I thought it was great. Gamespot agreed and gave Halo 1 a 9.0, whereas Halo 2 got a ... : Kazomir
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          depends, is there a PC game that offered such great vehicle play in single and multiplayer with coop? : derelict515
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            bf1942 but it didn't really have singleplayer :\ : dantastic
            • and it came out a full year after halo : derelict515
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              and it came out after Halo. : Stoned Gargoyle
              • Son of a bitch. : Stoned Gargoyle
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                Not only did it come out a year after halo, but no game has yet to capture the vehicle physics of halo, w... : dilutedq
                • I disagree that the physics are "almost perfect" - they feel totally cartoonish. That, however, works *e... : Majuju
        • I say it would be IF you make the assumption that it was backed by Microsoft and would have been released... : sevogajre
        • I bet it would have. It got right what most FPS games still! get wrong today. Movement, weapons, vehicl... : Bruzilla
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    No it isn't. Halo aside I play tons of old games, many of which I missed up until last year. I finished F... : avatar_58
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      640x480 or 800x600 is really ... difficult on a widescreen monitor, lol. : Silent Sorrow
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        I thought you just said Halo? Halo isn't limited to 800x600. As for older games you can now play them in ... : avatar_58
        • I was now referring to the PC games you mentioned, not Halo. How were you able to get Fallout to play in ... : Silent Sorrow
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    there's nothing special about halo. it's your average everyday shooter packaged with a lot of hype. : changejar419
    • Yeah, except it's weapon controls are spot on (Instant ability to melee and throw grenades!) it's got bet... : MaJeStu
• but Halo's story DID suck : Korban
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  I'm playing through Halo 3 right now (never played 1 or 2), and even though I'm not exactly sure what the... : pilgrimage
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    Awesome. They are cliche to someone who hasnt invested in the characters from the first two. But coming f... : X Fuzion
    • That's great if the writing in the first two was stellar, but that has no bearing on the awful quality in... : pilgrimage
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  Lol, halo1 and 2 had a story? Everytime I played it, it was just for COOP fun to kill some time. Im... : chilln
  • So you chose to ignore it, that makes it ..not... exist. Well argued. : Cygnus X-1
  • chill dude : pyros
• you know these posts don't help either? Ignoring shit goes a long way : Bantis
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  well then bungie fucked up. they should've done a recap. you can't expect new players to pickup your ga... : vassili_zaitsev
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    I didn't really "get" street fighter 3 until I finished it with every character from SF1&2 : boring gegtik
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      nice try, but halo's emphasis on plot is alot more essential to the game than street fighter. imagine if... : vassili_zaitsev
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        i wish.. that stupid intro took forever. BORING : boring gegtik
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          worst intro since HL1 : boring gegtik
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            what? HL1's intro was one of the most memorable ever.. : bozer
            • I forgot the middle part where I got bored and went to sleep : boring gegtik
• omg halo 3 filter too many threads video games bl0w!!TWO!11!2 : teethmarks
• Why the hell would that make a difference? Because you don't feel compelled to pretend it's a good story... : devi| dog
• Well, I got spoiled on the ending it it makes me want to play it more. :P : Boxelder
• I think people should be able to enjoy a game without having to play its prequals. Whether or not you ex... : headbone
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  i tried to read the wiki to catch up but it was SO FUCKING LONG. i need like a 3 page synopsis of the ... : dahanese
  • blah blah alien race invading, blah blah humanities last hope, blah blah bald space marine, blah blah hal... : Gauss
  • There's one in the Halo 3 manual right? : Johnny Law