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Oh hello, I didn't see you there. I was too busy playing with my newly acquired Wii. So far I've only played Wii Sports, but after this I'll go pick up a retail game or two. Real happy with the fact that 480i is looking quite acceptable on my DLP HDTV, as I haven't been able to find component cables anywhere yet.

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    December 14, 2006 7:03 AM

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      December 14, 2006 7:21 AM

      that's pretty ugly.

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      December 14, 2006 7:22 AM

      hahaha, imagine the shit microsoft would have gotten had they did this and halo 2 looked like ass

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        December 14, 2006 7:29 AM

        Yea no joke. Also, doesn't the PS3 have the PS2 chips inside? So why is it doing any resize? Also, WTF is it doing to the colors? That split screen not only showing the jaggies shows a really huge color difference. The original seems warmer and more "life like" while the PS3 seems really washed out. And I heard complaints about the PS3 games seeming washed out when compared to 360 games. WTF was Sony doing during development?

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          December 14, 2006 7:30 AM

          It does indeed, maybe whatever is rendering it out is poor quality.

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          December 14, 2006 7:47 AM

          It's not doing any resize because it's got a PS2 inside essentially. It's almost a purely hardware solution, as opposed to the software emulation on the 360, so you're seeing the PS2 hardware inside the PS3 throwing its output straight to the display output of the PS3 with no stops along the way to do smoothing or anything. There's probably some difference in how that display output was expected to work on the PS2 so you end up with some weird artifacts on some games.

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      December 14, 2006 7:26 AM

      Does anyone else get the feeling the PS3 was rushed just to get on the shelves by Christmas and could have used a few more months of polish?

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        December 14, 2006 7:29 AM

        No I think the design was rubish and should of been thrown away on the drawing board.

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        December 14, 2006 7:30 AM

        It was already way late into production and delaying it further would have been bad. I think the problem comes more with Sony's incompetence

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          December 14, 2006 7:35 AM

          How can delaying it further to make it work right hurt it worse than shipping a broken and incomplete system?

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          December 14, 2006 8:29 AM

          It sounds like incompetence in management. The entire PS3 says "not well thought out" to me. They could have used more people saying "Is that important?" or "What about this?" or "This should be focussed on". If you've ever worked at a large company, management is absolutely key, and it's easy to tell when a company does not have good communication within itself.

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          December 14, 2006 12:11 PM

          Already late and so far behind, WTF were they doing?

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            December 14, 2006 12:12 PM

            They were working through blu-ray production issues mostly.

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        December 14, 2006 12:05 PM

        I think they didn't have a focus. They tried to compete on all fronts, instead of focusing on one or two areas.

        Nintendo is doing accessibility, and controls.

        Microsoft is doing online, and HD.

        PS3 is "trying" to do online, HD, accessibility, controls, Blu-ray, media center, all this shit...

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      December 14, 2006 7:31 AM

      This is where I say while it's messed up I'd rather take the visual hit and be able to play pretty much all my ps2/ps1 games than a hand-picked few like the 360...

      That said, they better fix it.

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      December 14, 2006 7:33 AM

      noone will care. They'll care more about rumble being gone and end up keeping their PS2 anyways.

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      December 14, 2006 7:39 AM

      well thank god for my 360 upscaling and adding 4xAA to all my Xbox games.

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      December 14, 2006 7:44 AM

      wow...that IS pretty bad

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      December 14, 2006 7:46 AM

      I heard PS3 gives you AIDS if you rub it against open wounds

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      December 14, 2006 7:54 AM

      that's pretty asstacular.

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      December 14, 2006 7:54 AM

      wow that video is really over-dramatic... but seriously what the fuck, sony?

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        December 14, 2006 8:22 AM

        I was waiting for the theory that the PS3 was used to bomb the Pentagon during the 9/11 cover-up, but somebody obviously got to them first!

        That said, it did look bad.

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      December 14, 2006 11:45 AM

      I own a PS3. The video you linked is completely true.

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      December 14, 2006 11:55 AM

      This comment sums it all:

      "If you dont like the PS3 so much dont buy it. Instead of wasting our time telling us why you arent going to buy it"

      People sure got lots of time to make videos like this to bash ps3.

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        December 14, 2006 12:01 PM

        It's blind fanboyism going either way. It's pretty unfortunate, but it's getting worse. It's much like partisan politics. You're going to argue to your best ability for one side or the other, but in order to counter-act it, the other side resorts to the same tactics.

        So rather than getting neutral, objective information, you get biased, exaggerated information from both sides that you have to try and work together into something realistic.

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          December 14, 2006 12:04 PM

          In this case I don't think it is blind fanboyism. Can you imagine the shit that the XBox 360 would have gotten if their backwards compatability was this broken? Instead it upconverts old XBox games (Ninja Gaiden looks even better on the 360 than it did on my old XBox).

          Bottom line is that backwards compatability on the PS3 is fundamentally broken. Period. No partisan hackery here, it's right there plain as day. It will remain that way until they can fix this in a firmware update.

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            December 14, 2006 12:16 PM

            I'm tired of this silly upscaling thing though.
            I read somewhere that it's another one of MS's mandatory initiative things to upsample all old Xbox 1 games.

            That's very nice of them but half the fucking games don't work and some of the ones that did, have FPS issues.

            Fuck that noise, I'd just want my games to WORK - period, PS3 or X360.
            It's unreasonable to have them look worse than on the Xbox or PS2 but it's "greedy" to expect more - I just want the SAME quality but all the games :/

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              December 14, 2006 12:19 PM

              You can thank HD TVs for that really. With the fact that most HDTVs only display at one res and convert whatever it gets to that res, it causes a whole slew of problems.

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                December 14, 2006 12:26 PM

                Ahhh of course - I didn't think of that because my HDTV has 0 problems with SD content.

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              December 14, 2006 12:24 PM

              Improved image quality through backwards compatability is gravy for me. I'd be perfectly happy if it looked exactly the same, like PS1 games on the PS2 or everything on the Wii. Higher res and added AA to take the curse off the introduced jaggies on the 360, again, is fine by me. Most games not on the list at this point aren't worth porting over (Psychonauts is on the way), and the only framerate issue I ever noticed was the initial BC version of Ninja Gaiden, which was fixed later.

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                December 14, 2006 12:27 PM

                I heard Forza has shit FPS also as did NG originally and Halo 2.

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                  December 14, 2006 12:29 PM

                  Forza did have FPS Issues, never tried my copy of NG, but that game demoralized me, and Halo 2 worked well out of the box except for that HUD bug. But since one of the updates I don't see that HUD bug anymore.

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                    December 14, 2006 12:49 PM

                    I tried Forza recently and had sound problems. While doing a single-player race, the sound would either drop out or become totally screwed up. If I paused and unpaused the game, that would fix it for a minute or two. Then it would be back. This was through the optical audio output, not the analog.

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              December 14, 2006 12:33 PM

              So you think games that have issues have issues because they are upscaled? From the sample of XBox games I've played on my 360, if they have issues, they have issues at any resolution.

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                December 14, 2006 12:50 PM

                I beleive any excessive filtering effects applied to the scene will reduce frame rate - there should be more games just at 480p.

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                  December 14, 2006 12:56 PM

                  And when the game still slows down at 480p? (Prince of Persia)

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                    December 14, 2006 12:58 PM

                    How much filtering is being applied to that image?

                    Here's something else for you

                    Most Xbox 360 games render at 1280x720 then output @ whatever thanks to the scaler chip.

                    How do you know Prince isn't being rendered @ 1280x720 then downscaled by the hardware scaler chip? (seriously now?)


                    They shouldn't be aproving games with FPS issues in the first place :(

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                      December 14, 2006 1:01 PM

                      xbox games aren't being rendered at 720p then downscaled. They are rendered in 480p and then some of them are upscaled to 720p and have AA added to them.

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                        December 14, 2006 1:08 PM

                        If you are saying what I think you are saying, that would mean that the 720p is "for free," no more intensive than running at 480p which they all do anyway even on the original system.

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                          December 14, 2006 1:17 PM

                          It shouldn't hurt the frame rate as it's a piece of hardware scaling the output. The frame buffer is still rendered at 480p

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        December 14, 2006 12:01 PM

        What if you wanted a PS3 but weren't told about this? Backwards compatibility is a deal breaker for some.

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          December 14, 2006 12:04 PM

          The biggest deal breakers for PS3 for me are

          Price, the lack of a sensable scaler and the lack of IR for the BR player.

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            December 14, 2006 12:26 PM

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              December 14, 2006 12:28 PM

              People like using universal remotes. You can't program a PS3 to one with existing ones since they are all IR. Maybe one with BR capability will come out but for the time being you have to stick with Sony's BR remote.

              Plus using gamepads as a remote control really sucks.

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          December 14, 2006 12:24 PM

          You are definitely correct, because it's one of the (many) reasons I decided against buying one until Christmas '07.

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        December 14, 2006 12:02 PM

        Fact is, this backwards compatibility thing IS a problem. It'd be a problem if it was the 360, it'd be a problem if it was the Wii, it'd be a problem if it was the PS2. They should fix it, immediately.

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        December 14, 2006 12:05 PM

        I liked PS3, I got PS3, then I saw PS2 games on my PS3. Now I hate my PS3.

        Mind you we were originally told the damn games would have upscaled resolutions too.

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          December 14, 2006 12:08 PM

          Agreed, it pisses me off too.
          I traded my ps2 as part of a massive trade for a plasma, now my ps2 games look shitty and I can't play gh :(

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            December 14, 2006 12:10 PM

            How bad do 2D PSX games look? Like the FF collections?

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              December 14, 2006 12:11 PM

              Honesty haven't tried it
              I just F$#*@ing hate ff12 looking like ass on my new 600 dollar vid game system.

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        December 14, 2006 12:31 PM

        You're honestly finding fault with actual PS3 owners complaining that a major piece of functionality with the system not only fails to do what was originally promised, but in fact makes it significantly worse?

        I can't stand mindless bashing, but this is a real issue that's a huge drawback for those of us who want to continue playing our PS2 (or PS1) games.

        I was hoping that with this generation I could just pack up my PS2, Xbox, and GameCube. So far I've still had to keep my PS2 and Xbox hooked up. It's not the end of the world but I just don't have the room or inputs for this stuff at all, and Sony specifically promised functionality that the PS3 does not achieve.

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          December 14, 2006 12:36 PM

          Great point.

          I was mildly interested in a PS3, partly because my PS2 died around the same time that DQ8 came out (we barely finished it). After reading up on this unfortunate issue, I ended up buying a used PS2 recently, which I honestly hated to do.

          Maybe I'll think about buying a PS3 in a year. Maybe not.

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      December 14, 2006 12:02 PM

      I own a ps3, its true.

      hopefully sony and will fix it with firmware soon.

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        December 14, 2006 12:03 PM

        Haha, yea right. Just like the upconversion "fix" with firmware that has magically disappeared?

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          December 14, 2006 12:04 PM

          well, that issue never bothered me directly

          all I was saying is that I HOPE sony can fix it with a firmware update.

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            December 14, 2006 12:13 PM

            How many firmware updates have they released for the PS3 and PSP? I don't own either but it seems like a waiting game for the next one.

            MS releases theirs more spaced out and adds more things to it than it fixes.

            Sony needs to realize that software drives hardware. MS has known this for decades.

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              December 14, 2006 12:15 PM

              since my day 1 launch ps3 I believe they have released three updates, each taking about 15 minutes total time to download and install.

              scaling "fix" was in one as well as better account management placement within the menu system.

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      December 14, 2006 12:25 PM

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YLOUCMSH2M

      BC wont be an issue in the future when the newer PS3 games come out. Just dont sell your PS2s yet. You wont get that much for it anyway so it doesnt make sense.

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      December 14, 2006 12:29 PM

      I'm pretty sure its the dudes tv. Ive seen people running older games on the ps3 in HD and it looks fine. Ive never seen that shit, so either his connections are bad, or he's using some funky setting on his tv.

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        December 14, 2006 12:32 PM

        It's not his TV. This happens on my TV and I've seen tons of photographs and videos documenting the same problem.

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          December 14, 2006 12:41 PM

          That's odd. I mean I'm not arguing with ya, certainly not going to disagree considering you are experiencing the same thing, but I've seen people play a few ps2 games on their PS3 and it didnt look anything like that, it looked fine.

          Obviously there wasnt any enhancement to the existing graphics, but they looked just as they did on the PS2, that's why I figured it was the guys TV or the cables or something.

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      December 14, 2006 1:15 PM

      christ. At $600 you'd imagine it would at least do this properly... guess not.

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