Quake3 @ 300fps Gets Closer

Dahmer... its your video card. Its archaic. =)

In your case a geForce would get you ~60 fps at 800x600x32 and ~50 fps at 1024x768x32 (your cpu certainly isnt a barnburner. Neither is mine.)

I have a pII-400 128mb SDRAM... and a voodoo2... I play quake3 at a average of 25-30 fps... thats very slow.... because this is at 800*600and medium texture size. So the game looks very blurry to...


So my question is... is this a videocard, or a system issue?? In other words.. when I buy a Geforce, will i see the the magical 60FPS popping up my screen in quake3???

BTW... WHY ARE ALL THE BENCHMARKS OF GEFORCEses BENCHMARKED WITH A AMD ATHLON 800 OVERCLOCKED TO 1GHZ w/ 512 MB RAM or whatever... I mean... who owns machines like this? sure you\'ll get 90 FPS in quake3! I think they can better test video cards at a medium system.. like a > PII 400???

comments anyone?

#52: 640 with anti-aliasing would NOT, repeat NOT look nearly as good as 1024x768 without anti-aliasing. If you have any doubts about that, fire up Quake3 on a GeForce DDR. You will see that textures look washed out even at medium distance, while at 1024 textures look clean and sharp even when they\'re very far away. This makes a HUGE difference, it\'s like putting on a pair of glasses. Using AA you would get rid of some jaggies at 640, but you would do nothing for the textures, and it wouldn\'t look nearly as good as 1024. At 1024, I can hardly notice shimmering aliasing lines in Quake3, but I definately notice the amazing improvement in texture quality.

I know that when I get my next card, I will crank up the resolution to something like 1152x865 and use the rest of the fillrate for faster framerate. AA can wait for now. More polygons on the other hand would help too, more than AA. If 3dfx thinks I want to use a new $600 card to play Need for Speed 4, they got it all wrong.

hehe, who needs 300 fps, q3 is locked at
100 fps afaik.
that 4800 mpix supermodel will come later,
with the \"slower\" 1200 and 2400 types in a few
months
(at least they\'re saying)
i\'m planning to get a new pc with the
2400 when the damn card is out, just to
know i have nuff power to keep the frame
rate under the worst conditions.

This card will most likely need it\'s own power supply and cost around $600. No matter. Put it on the shelves and I\'ll buy it :)

heh...
300 FPS video card, to be released at the same time as Daikatana no doubt?

Italiced in case someone else already posted it, duty calls and I regretably don\'t have the time to read all the articles...

Still, it would be interesting to see if can they maintain the visual quality. (runs at 300fps, but at 256 color... uh, no.)

Can we all hear the sarcasm whizzing over 38\'s head?...(you may have missed the sarcasm)

Must have. I didnt get sarcasm from that at all. Perhaps it wasnt drol enough or needed <sarcasm> tags... At any rate, I (naturally) assumed it was the posting of one of the clueless, shuga-sheep. Do you blame me? \'Mate\'?

#52 hell i dont mind playing at 640 res if my PC games look like dreamcast games!

Not me. 640x480x32 on with all eye candy looks noticeably shittier inferior than 1024x768x32 with all eye candy on my 17\" monitor.

hey jimmy it\'s about the SPEED ! nothin else matters , just the speed.

Seeing as how it\'s not a 3dfx card...

MAYBE IT COULD GET 60FPS IN UT. :D

boogieman

#58 : Blair Witch.

http://www.BlairWoods.com <--- The site I shall never touch again. Even to make money off of it with banners... *cries*

Can we all hear the sarcasm whizzing over 38\'s head?

Johnny Rotten, you has-been punk anarchist, go back to the UK and your \"flat\" with your \"mates.\"

(you may have missed the sarcasm. but your overriding point is right on. don\'t take this gentle flaming too seriously.)

I can\'t wait to see what Diakatana will look like on a BitBoys card....



bwahahahahahahaha

#60, I\'m well aware that motion blur is a part of all photography.

The fact remains that it is further added/enhanced/whatever term you\'d like to use, during post-production of movies.

Do you really think movies today are filmed at 24FPS? There\'s a lot more than just cutting, splicing, and dubbing that goes on during post-production.

- Holesinswiss

I thought the magical motion blur fairies took a whiz on the undeveloped film stock and PRESTO! Motion blur! 3Dfx\'s genius, of course, is in inducing these elusive little fuckers into YOUR PC.

Motion blur and depth of field are \'gimicky\' words used by 3dfx to hide the
fact that they are not supporting T@L. Why would anyone want depth of field?
Might as well say, \"I want this part of the scene blurry, and this part nice and
sharp.\" Ya know, when you are playing a game, you need to see things clearly.
Ive had enough of blurs when i had a P200.... Or maybe game developers will cut corners
on production value and just blur some spots to save time.
...... and motion blur? Puuuuuulease. Motion smearing aint gonna fool anyone when
your fps drops below 28. And if the VD4/5 has massive fill rates that makes your fps never
dip below 45 anyway, whats the point?

Put it all togather with a game that uses a high polycount, and guess what the VD4/5 is
gonna look like...... blury ASS.

\"so they add motion blur during post-production. Thus, the eye is \"tricked\" and your movie isn\'t \"choppy\" nor is it \"fuzzy.\" \"

Dumb ass....errr..is that comming from me..... Motion blur is a natural effect seen in ALL film photography. If the shutter of a camera is open for .xxx sec then you get all .xxx amount of motion in that frame. After all, every photo and frame of a video is slightly more then one moment in time.

Check out his latest post - http://www.reactorcritical.com/

How many movies do you have where the camera moves as much as a FPS?

#56, do movies look \"fuzzy\" to you?

That\'s exactly what\'s going on: a movie plays at 24FPS, which is easily detectable by most humans, so they add motion blur during post-production. Thus, the eye is \"tricked\" and your movie isn\'t \"choppy\" nor is it \"fuzzy.\"

And for a bit of trivia, why do movies only play at 24FPS as opposed to 30 or 36 or ... ? To save money on film costs!

Ok, enough intellectualism, when\'s the Voodoo8 24000 coming out?

- Holesinswiss

If a card has the filrate for 300fps then it can do motion blurr and full scene AA. So the person who said that that is useless is wrong

I read that the embedded memory bandwidth on the PSX2 is supposed to be 48 Gigabytes/sec.

Glaze3D == 0wn3d

Here is the actual news release so everyone can stop the insanity!!!

January 24, 2000

BITBOYS INTRODUCES XTREME BANDWIDTH
ARCHITECTURET TO 3D-GRAPHICS PROCESSORS

3D Acceleration Without Bandwidth Restrictions

Helsinki, Finland - January 24, 2000 - Bitboys has developed a
completely new way of meeting the demanding requirements of 3D
graphics processing. The revolutionary Xtreme Bandwidth
ArchitectureT (XBAT) utilizes Infineon Technologies AG\'s leading
embedded memory technology (eDRAM) with 9 MB of extremely
high speed memory integrated with the graphics engine and
additional external memory to deliver unprecedented bandwidth to
3D graphics. The XBAT technology has been created as part of
company\'s Glaze3D project.

The first chips utilizing XBAT provide two to three times the
memory bandwidth over the nearest competitors, totalling 12
Gigabytes/sec with a single processor and over 20 Gigabytes/sec
in the dual processor configurations. This natural evolution of the
traditional 3D graphics chip architecture will provide unseen
performance gains for the 3D market.

The current high performance generation and also the recently
announced graphics controllers for 2000 by today\'s leaders such
as NVIDIA, 3dfx, and ATI are memory bandwidth limited by even
the fastest DDR memory devices. This is the true bottleneck for
gaming performance in the higher resolutions, scene complexities
and color depths. XBAT is the only true solution offered to this
problem and will bring a completely new visual virtual environment
with stunningly realistic image and color quality to the enthusiasts
game market.

XBAT enables the coming generations of Bitboys 3D processors
to run 32-bit color, 32-bit textures and 32-bit Z-buffers with
extreme detail at very high resolutions without the significant
performance losses that current architectures experience.

\"In the past the gaming community has always had to make the
trade-off in terms of visual quality or fill rate derived performance\",
said Shane Long, President and CEO of Bitboys. \"XBAT will
finally allow the gamer to set all visual qualities to the max and
still derive amazing frame rates that will supersede anything they
have been able to experience.\"

Bitboys plans to introduce the final product specifications, product
names and target prices of the first XBAT enabled products
March 2000. Bitboys is scheduled to begin demonstrating the
technology in Q2/2000 and ramping up full volume production of
XBA enabled parts during Q3/2000.}

#47, yeh... but Delaware is the tax haven of yesteryear. Wonder why they didn\'t inc in Nevada with their relaxed corporate regulations and 0 state tax.

75 fps demo001 0Wnz!