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  every FF games gets rave reviews upon first release. Every one. If you call BS the fanboys will kill you.... : lord cecil
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    I swear it's gotten to the point fanboys now write for too many gaming review pubs. I mean a review i... : thebigbeefsandwich
    • Except no FF game has ever gotten a perfect score from Famitsu, and it's fairly well known that the Japan... : Vincent Grayson
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  Yeah, really. In the PS1 era, I played a lot of those, but by the end of that generation I was totally o... : Chris Remo
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    This one is different. Feels like a single player mmorpg. (the way you fight monsters...) : mnok
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      Combat is the shittiest part of MMORPGs. =( : brickmatt
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        yeah final fantasy 11's combat was pretty boring. 5 second wait -> swing weapon -> miss -> 5 second wait... : Mr.SEX
        • I like the idea myself. No more battle load times. Besides combat is fun in FFXI, what's boring is the am... : mnok
        • no no no. maybe at lvl 1-20 in noob land, but higher level and end-game final fantasy 11 combat was very ... : diddlyd
      • Combat seems to be the worst part of RPG's to me....... - Chrono Trigger was a great game, except for 7... : abrasion
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      Man that sounds terrible : Chris Remo
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        its only for the active combat mode, the wait mode is still classic console rpg style : mo13
        • Not quite classic jrpg style. Close. Much closer than the active style, but it still pales in compari... : Ebu
  • i had two posts this mornign going off on jrpgs. I'm getting very sick of them when i used to love them ... : Mr.SEX
  • i agree but cmon its ff12, in the ff tactics world, and its in real time!!!! they have changed the combat... : klearlyunseen
• Fuck, I sold my PS2. Oh well, that's the only game I'd want to play on it anyway. Plenty of other games... : Iscariot47
• wow I had no clue the game was actually coming out this month in japan. Any hints anywhere to a north ame... : mnok
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  They have evolved some, and if you feel otherwise just base your opinion solely on Final Fantasy games (w... : omnova
  • base basing :/ : omnova
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    The last JRPG I played was Xenosaga or whatever ti was on the PS2. Xeno-something. Xenogears on the P... : senseimoron
    • I admit I have either strange taste or the ability to ignore many flaws in games (yes, even Xenogears' se... : omnova
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  You realize you can make a very similar argument for most genres? FPS comes to mind. : JINKY
  • it doesn't mean gamers want things to stop evolving... that just ends up in dumping the audience after a ... : thebigbeefsandwich
  • Good point. But I would say that people are not forced to sit through 40 hrs of a FPS. The last Jrpg I pl... : Pettytheft
• Of course I'm getting this, the FF Tactics guy, remember? : Mondo
• I hadn't liked a jrpg since FFIII. I bought a PS2 last october and gave them one more shot. I grabbed eve : scatti
• I'd kill for an Anachronox sequal, I mean the story was originally supposed to be twice as long... :( : Longinus00
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  Here's my theory. I think once you've played your 2024025th random encounter battle in the RPG genre, you... : Ratsofatsorat
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    Signed : Chris Remo
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      Actually, I think that's the reason I got into JRPGs in the PS1 era. It was the closest thing to adventu... : Chris Remo
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        I like you Chris, but I disagree with you. I found adventure games, even in their hayday, boring as shit... : omnova
        • Saying that solving an adventure game is "pixel clicking" is a lot like saying that, to win a jrpg, you h... : Orange Pylon
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          "Pixel clicking"? Just like RPGs are "button pushing"? Whenever I see somebody try and boil a genre dow : Chris Remo
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            Well, I think adventure games got screwed by the introduction of the web. Browsing the web is a lot of th... : sgtsanity
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              I'm not sure I see the connection between adventure games and web surfing. The main point of adventure g... : Chris Remo
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                The one game I can think of that fits that description would be Myst. : Ratsofatsorat
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                  Ah, ok. I think my understanding of adventure games as a child was crippled by that game, as it's pretty ... : sgtsanity
                  • When most people (here anyways) think adventure game, they're thinking Monkey Island, Full Throttle, King... : SenorSpine
                  • You need an injection of Full Throttle, stat. Followed by a daily regimen Grim Fandango. My girlfriend an... : Ratsofatsorat
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                As far as the exploration-based nature of clicking on things to find out stuff. I think. I'm not even sur... : sgtsanity
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                  Having spoken at length with a lot of the most influential adventure game designers (Tim Schafer, Ron Gil : Chris Remo
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                    Could ICO be considered as an adventure game in disguise? The combat really was just tangential to the ce... : sgtsanity
                    • No, Ico is definitely a console adventure game. Console adventure games have always been different than : Chris Remo
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            Actually the term I meant to use was "pixel hunting," though it comes down to the same thing. But I supp... : omnova
            • JRPGs did appeal to me. I played a LOT of them, all the way through. I only like one King's Quest gam... : Chris Remo
  • I can't stand the combat in those games. The #1 reason I will not play them. : Rice-Rocketeer
  • They just need combat done better. Kotor did well, and Jade Empire was a good idea without enough depth. : brickmatt
  • Good thing ff12 doesn't have random battles then. : Edges
  • I would literally kill for a new Space Quest game done well in the same vein as SQ1-3. Literally kill fo... : timmie
• Hey guys I hate jrpgs ITT : grendel
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  where the hell are the FF fanboys? : fsck
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    not usually found on the shack, as they still can't shake their FPS centric image.. FF is one the bigg... : Grandmoff
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      More people obviously play Final Fantasy than Halo, because Halo has basically no presence in Japan, wher... : Chris Remo
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        and is ultimately a better game w/ more developement (story, progression, etc,) than another clone of an... : Grandmoff
        • Come now, lets not go down that path. : Judicus
        • Oh please, don't even start. Halo is a very unique first person shooter. I'm not even going to get into... : Chris Remo
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  JRPGs are Japan's version of the RTS...Hey! Look now they are 3D!....but they play the same....NO it's 3-... : byorn
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    And the art tends to go out the window once it's in 3D, too. : Ratsofatsorat
    • no, it's 3d! : cpt_gloval
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  You should try Shadow Hearts: Covenant. It looks great, has an engaging combat system, and is one of the ... : ChibiJosh
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    I bought this like a year ago and I still haven't played it :( : Ctrl-Phreak
    • Play it, and you too can experience The Man Festival! :D : ChibiJosh
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  There was nothing like, and there has been nothing since like, the classic JRPG period of the SNES. FF7 ... : zuga
  • Did you try DQVIII? It's very oldschool in style. : Boxelder
• You could carve the words final fantasy into a turd and it'd automatically get 30 base points from Famits... : Boxelder
• I'd have to agree. JRPGs stick to old conventions beyond all reason. As much as I enjoyed the older FFs, ... : bargeld
• needs more games like Vagrant Story kthx. : creep
• what game isnt formulaic? you say they have stayed to the same method but what game hasnt lately? every f... : klearlyunseen
• I'm almost afraid to post in this thread of hate, but goddammit, I love my FF games. Sure, some of the... : Vincent Grayson
• I agree with Anachronox, amazing game that showed how console-like RPGs don't need to be Japanized. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• Hey I like the FF series, its not the combat that gets me, its the fun world, interesting characters, and... : tomatoactivator

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  Reading Juvenile Socialist propoganda that caters to children? : graceofdragons
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    Ayn Rand is socialist? Wut? also, I would hope that juvenile literature caters to the young. :P : sgtsanity
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      no actually I'm pretty sure she was Capitalist, I don't know why I said Socialist, : graceofdragons
      • She was hardcore laissez-faire capitalist and placed special importance on individualism or "rational sel... : zuga
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        She was objectivist. It's totally different. : ra1n
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          Objectivist philosophy encompasses a lot more than just politics however. It's a fully-formed (that's de... : zuga
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            (I'm sure you know this, just pointing it out for anyone who doesn't know.) : zuga
            • grassy-ass senior : ra1n
  • More like opposite of socialist? : Chris Remo
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    Ok, I can't let this post slide. It's giving me a headache. It's too much. Why capitalize Juvenile and ... : zuga
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      Capitalized Juvenile and Socialist because I just did. There was no reason. On the internet I don't adher... : graceofdragons
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        Who do you define as children? You're obviously being hyperbolic because her books are neither aimed at ... : Chris Remo
        • Poster in this very thread is a perfect example. : SpaecKow
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          I was just clarifying my initial thread, and yes I was exagerating. I find Ayn Rand to be pretentious... : graceofdragons
          • One can enjoy and absorb ideas without agreeing with them or finding them to have great merit. That's on... : Chris Remo
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            You do a great job labelling people who believe in Rand's ideas. But can you argue against them? I hav... : Orange Pylon
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              Opinions are like assholes. And Apparently, I shouldn't talk anymore on the shack, latley my threads seem... : graceofdragons
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                I don't have any opinions at all. I have ideas, observations, and knowledge. If any part of my knowledge ... : Orange Pylon
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                  Objectivism sucks because like so much continental philosophy it suffers from being based on nothing but ... : SpaecKow
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                    I wasn't really arguing for or against Rand there. If I wanted to do that, I would do more research and t... : Orange Pylon
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                      *sigh* I've stated nothing but opinion in this entire thread. I, like you, know when to argue, I enjoy ho... : graceofdragons
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                        Reposted in the correct spot because I am retarded. Okay, you never stated an argument. You stated an ... : Orange Pylon
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                          I love to argue, I do it often, when I'm attempting an argument I will not simply state opinion. This... : graceofdragons
                          • Might wanna think about that strategy a bit; lest people think you Juvenile, unjustly. : rasputinreborn
                    • >>> I was, however, criticizing grace's method of arguing, which is common in a lot of people. Resorting : SpaecKow
      • That's cool man. I was just screwing around with you. Don't take me too seriously. No hard feelings. : zuga
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    Okay, you never stated an argument. You stated an opinion. That's the problem. You're opinions are wor... : Orange Pylon
    • misreply OGNO!! : Orange Pylon
• Hahahahaha. You can either read the first 1000 or so pages or the several dozen or so that's the ending s... : sgtsanity
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  I'm reading and enjoying it right now, but more for the interesting plot about "prime movers" and so fort... : Chris Remo
  • prime movers? you mean heavy hitters of industrial innovation? : proclone1
• I enjoyed it quite a bit, until I lost the damn thing about 3/4 of the way through. I guess I need to go... : devi| dog
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  It used to be one of my favorites, but now I've come to realize just how pretentious it all is, and I can : Ratsofatsorat
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    Why do people keep calling her socialist? : SpaecKow
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      My guess is that his post was tongue in cheek, based on a very long thread last night. : Chris Remo
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        Oh I see, care to link thread? : SpaecKow
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          I just noticed that it got a lot bigger after I went to bed. Good times, though. http://www.shacknews.... : Ratsofatsorat
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            Oh thaaat thing, where did juvenile socialist come into that? : SpaecKow
            • I pulled that part from http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=11767613 : Ratsofatsorat
          • Holy fuck...I was expecting like 10-20 comments then let it die, what the fuck is that monstrosity? And P... : graceofdragons
• Officer Barbrady called! He wants his line back! olollololo : SockMonkeh
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  Ayn Rand developed a philosophical standpoint called Objectivism. Her books are basically her explaining... : ra1n
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    Bulllfuckingshiiit.... I don't believe it. : proclone1
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      let me clarify this: What I need to do to live a successful life, is to steamroll my way through everyon : proclone1
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        You missed the point. Have you done much philosophy reading? : ra1n
        • You missed his point. Anyone can be a motivator. Even Ayn Rand. Her exclusivist philosophy blows. : Experiment IV
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    did....did you just call yourself a prime mover? : graceofdragons
    • nah, just more like striving not to be a second-hander. : ra1n
  • I think it'd be more accurate to say that the people who like Rand are predominantly high school students... : WaterSign
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    Objectivism is nothing more then an elaborate justification for extreme levels of selfishness. : SpaecKow
    • oh god no, please don't let it be extreme. : vigilante
    • I love you, SpaecKow. : Rice-Rocketeer
    • You pretty much stole my post. Before I wrote it. : JINKY
    • This is a brilliantly concise summary. Good game. : ChibiJosh
    • I don't really know anything about objectivism, but at least she went through the trouble. Most people d... : nummerdrei
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      No it isn't. It's about not letting others make claim over your life. Big difference. : Anti_dentite
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        No it isn't, it really isnt, Rand identifies self-interest as being the basis of morality and ethics in h... : SpaecKow
        • http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=11767636 : brickmatt
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          People invariably do what is in their self-interest. And what Rand said was that there isn't anything wr : rasputinreborn
          • >>> People invariably do what is in their self-interest. I think you'll find there's quite a bit of d : SpaecKow
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      Hmm, I think you could easily flip that and say something like "socialism is nothing more than an elabora... : rasputinreborn
      • It makes me sad to hear you support objectivism. It's really easy to be a minarchist capitalist without m... : SpaecKow
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        You could say that, and it's a pretty popular argument for why people loose incentive to produce. Withou... : ra1n
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          Five men can build 10 times more then one man can, but only in a relationship of co operation and co depe... : SpaecKow
          • Again, you've misunterpreted the arguments. SHe isn't saying cooperation is bad. It takes more than 10 ... : ra1n
    • ^^^ One of the 99.99%. : Sze Ior
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      Her main book on ethics was called The Virtue of Selfishness, I don't think this is a point that can real... : peanut-
      • Yeah, that's what I was saying up higher in the thread, she's a continentalist looking to break her way i... : SpaecKow
      • I think her experiences in the USSR in the 20's are what formed all her opinions and ideas, and she then ... : fugu124
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    Haha, bullshit. I liked Ayn Rand when I was 17, but now? Come on. : Bean
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      I thought Fountainhead (and Objectivism) was stupid even when I was 17. : Arcanum
      • I went through a Rand phase, thanks to the woman I was with at the time, who was (and probably still is) : Bean
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      Objectivism is an unpopular viewpoint in a society of committee, such as the shack or, the US. This isn'... : ra1n
      • ^^^ Ayn Rand shill. : Experiment IV
      • Have fun with that. What about "standing on the shoulders of giants" or "TEAM: Together Everyone Achieve... : monohydrate
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    You're fucking kidding me right : JINKY
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      But yeah, the kind of bullshit ideas that are in those silly books. I think i'd even go so far as to say... : JINKY
      • Well, not to be condescending, but I thought that way when I was your age too. Honest. You need to thin : rasputinreborn
  • HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! : Sexpansion Pack
  • Terry Goodkind, is that you? : lightly inclined
  • Scientology v. 2.0?? : timmie
  • Fuck Keating :( : dopeman
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    lol at 99.999% of the world sits on their ass thru life. : Crimson
    • I think thats closer to a true statement than a false one. : ra1n
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    objectivism is total bullshit. noone is objective, noone. there is no such thing as an impartial observer... : eggnoodles
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      Have you even read the book? An impartial observer part is in no way what the book is talking about! It... : ra1n
      • one might say that "Utility is Maximized" =-) : kbnerd
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        >>> It follows a fundamental tenant of economics - if everyone specializes and we trade, our total utilit : SpaecKow
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          I don't think Rand is about people being completely self-sufficient - rather, that any exchanges between ... : Solar Jetman
          • When I first read her work, I though she used this tone purposely as a way to get to agree with her a lit... : fugu124
        • Yes, we need to increase relationships. Economics is in support of it. Ayn Rand is in support of it. P... : ra1n
      • i have read the fountainhead, i didnt bother to read up on her philosophical views though, so i thought y... : eggnoodles
  • lol : c0bra
• I dont think I have seen the obvious question asked.. Who is John Gault? : themelon
• I'm not a huge fan of the book. Obviously objectivism is terribly important, but I think The Fountainhead... : Sexpansion Pack
• 1st 2/3rds of that book are the best 2/3rds of any book i've ever read. that bullshit about john galt ... : sludge vohaul
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  Very few things are true all the time. The things that are tend to be meaningless. : losder5000
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    wow, that is also blatently false. I really wonder of all the people arguin this, who have actually read... : ra1n
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      I've been where you are. I really don't want to spoil the ending for you. I will tell you this, only to ... : losder5000
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        did you discard objectivism in favour of condescensionism? : gegtik
        • Nope. =( : losder5000
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    Including that statement? : c0bra
    • Yep. =P : losder5000
• *Sigh* Objectivism is a lonely road. Of course, being an anarcho-capitalist, Libertarian Objectivist, I... : creeping-judas

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  fuck, I can do 5 languages. big deal. : proclone1
  • I doubt it. : Experiment IV
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  I'd like to know on what topic she lectured. Hell, anyone can stand in front of a group of people and ta... : Dechter
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    http://www.theblueandwhite.org/index.php?page=post&article_id=609 : Chris Remo
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      Now THAT'S quality edumacashun... : Dechter
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        Or quotes deliberately selected to make her look stupid... : Arcanum
        • I was commenting on a 20 minute Q&A sponsored by MTV to promote her new movie. : Dechter
• I never said I was a role model. : BulletPro
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  you forgot hot : sexninja!!!!
  • *has flashbacks to certain Closer scenes* : aavenr
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  so, any chance of me seeing that rap? : virus
  • Are we nuking links to it? What was the final call on that? Shackspace : Lunatic Angelic
  • www.nbc.com : edgewise
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  I don't feel that learning 5 languages is hard, if it's what you do. If you go to Harvard and take langua... : land
  • If you count ebonics as a language, I know 2. : edgewise
  • well, shes israeli so she probably knew hebrew growing up, and english too obviously. so i guess really s... : sexninja!!!!
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    I'm fluent in 6 languages myself, because I grew up with 3 of them (and English isn't even the first one ... : Bean
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      Would you agree that it would be impressive for your average white boy living in middle america? Talk ... : rosewood
      • Yeah, I would, but I'd also say that's a negative reflection on the US today, personally. : Bean
    • Bean is correct. Growing up bilingual (and by bilingual, I mean multilingual, but for some weird reason, ... : Rice-Rocketeer
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    Someone in some comments at the original site copy/pasted the education portion of her Wikipedia entry. ... : Arcanum
    • That lesbian bit was revealed by her to be a tease. : Lunatic Angelic
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    I only know English. I took 4 years of spanish in hs though so I recognize many verbs but that doesn't h... : monohydrate
    • Saturation learning is the best way, if somewhat intimidating. : Bean
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    5 isn't something to snuff at. I mean, I have 3 and I figured I worked hard (for a mid western kid) to g... : rosewood
    • I've got like 3.75 or so. It isn't so bad, I'm just lazy. : brickmatt
  • I speak four, adding a fifth :P : moe6
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    I had an english prof. that knew THIRTEEN languages. I was like: "WTF." She was really pretty, too. : Rice-Rocketeer
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      The latin big four are almost relatively identical. Once you've learned one, 6 months in the country of : Lunatic Angelic
      • I have 3 of those non "big-4", hah. : Bean
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  Heh http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=11225716 ... : Lunatic Angelic
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    You've really overthought this. : Bean
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      It's like I was telling edlin, you could never get reigns on her, heh. : Lunatic Angelic
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        I dunno. Portman never did it for me, physically or personality-wise, so I guess I never cared much... yo... : Bean
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          I don't know, I could have come to those conclusions in about 30 seconds, it's not nearly as absurd as th... : Chris Remo
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            That's my point. He obviously spent a lot more than 30 seconds on it. : Bean
            • Took me 5seconds to look at her pictures, see that she's intelligent (probably more capacity for knowledg... : graceofdragons
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              Not really, you hear about things over time and it just gradually yanks the luster off. No major thought : Lunatic Angelic
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                Yeah, how about we not expound... : Bean
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                  Ok derail then... TKD is without merit, sir... *spits* : Lunatic Angelic
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                    So what? That's hardly my only black belt, nor the art I spend the most time with anymore. Yes, it was th... : Bean
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                      You've clearly overthought this. : Lunatic Angelic
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                        On one hand you have a guy who waxes philosophical about Natalie Portman, and on the other, you have a gu... : Bean
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                          Haha, lighten up man... we see eye to eye on TKD from one of our earlier discussions from what I remembe : Lunatic Angelic
                          • Yeah, sorry. You catch me at 1:45am after I've been reading law cases since 7am and generally being miser : Bean
                        • you certainly aren't modest. : SenorSpine
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      well, she is a smoker. : abrasion
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        Really? That's a major bummer. Especially for someone as studied as she is, you'd think she would know be... : Bean
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          It's so un-attractive, not just for the health reasons - it's gross. : abrasion
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            My recent ex- was a smoker. I hated the way her hair smelled after a cigarette. It would stick around for : Bean
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              OMG at both of you...especially Bean "you'd think she'd know better'...EVERYONE knows better, it's a pers... : graceofdragons
              • I don't care what reason it's for, it's fucking gross. : abrasion
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                Touche. It's still a goofy decision to make, regardless of your reasoning. That said, the people I know t... : Bean
                • I understand the smell thing. I just quit smoking yesterday (attempting to at least). I even understand w... : graceofdragons
  • haha, I love the shack : monohydrate
• Hell no, life ain't fair. : terath
• What isn't fair is that I'm not married to her. : Rice-Rocketeer
• she's a kinda wooden actress... cute as hell though, yes. : thebigbeefsandwich
• Why can't educated, intelligent women like this be more common? : ( Every single female I get involved w... : Athlon7

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  It's about TIME you posted more >:( : dognose
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    Stop posting and get back to waiting! : GeorgeB3DR
    • this is funny...you two should make a porno : klearlyunseen
    • You're not the boss of me! >:( oh wait... : dognose
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      Now this is why TEH SHACK is the best site. Where else do you get this kind of interaction with the ga... : te[R]ror
      • Mexican Wrestling; CliffyB. 'Nuff said : dognose
      • Somethig Awful is about the only other place I can think of. : Helter Skelter
      • JACKPOT ANSWER. DING! DING! DING! : lonestar3
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  i remember when i broke the barrier from lurker to annoyer...god it feels good on this side : graceofdragons
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    p.s. - you know you made it when dognose hugs you : graceofdragons
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      feek still hasn't made it LOL : kbnerd
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        Dognose hugged him. graceofdragons didnt say anything about liking it being a requirement. : Githyanki
        • i didn't think he let dognose hug him. i could very well be wrong though. it's kind of annoying that i wa... : kbnerd
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  Back in my heyday, about six years ago, I'd post 60-80 posts a day. I slowed down a bit after that and s... : RatBastard
  • today like 12...yesterday almost 50...depends on what's going on, my post number is getting up there thou... : graceofdragons
• probably 1 or two a day. back in the summer of 2k, about 100/day =\ : dopeman
• Mine varies wildly. Not usually more than 10 a day though - most days less I think. I don't want to get... : Boxelder
• usually anywhere from 0-30 a day. Most are stupid and the shack would be better off without them, but ... : Morgin
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  over the entire history of my account i'm up to ~7.91 posts a day with a total of over 12k posts. : kbnerd
  • 11200 here and i average 5 a day : Morgin
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  mine went down INSANELY since I got a job. : jcutner
  • mine went down a lot after I got out of high school...I spent probably 35% of my time in school my senior... : sanchez
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  3. I make 7 posts/day and 4 I wish I didn't. : drucifer
  • Those are the 4 I like :( : dognose
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  I post mostly when I'm writing. Which kills my productivity, but at least I'm not watching TV. : Ratsofatsorat
  • I forgot to post the number. Looks like 20-40 a day, usually. Which seems unhealthy. But I'm a fast typer... : Ratsofatsorat
• Ugh don't remind me. I spend way too much time here :( : nomaad
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  I don't think you hold a candle to rosewood. hes has been shacking for : 2,428 days, 0 hours, 29 minu... : skitzo
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    that guy doesn't sleep. either that, or he posts in his sleep too : esmokah
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      no.. he does 'other' things in his sleep. http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=11750881 : skitzo
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        i meant he sleep posts in addition to his other nocturnal activities : esmokah
        • Yeah, its odd, I still consider myself a lurker... plus i lost lost 5k+ posts when the server dropped. =/ : skitzo
• I probably post about 10 times a day on average. I still think that nobody really recognizes me. I guess ... : carazy
• Looks like I average about one post every sixteen days. : sundance
• 2 to 3. At least one is a one-liner, sometimes requiring extra spaces to get past the automated post qual... : BulletPro
• that would totally depend how busy work is.. :) : Shadowdane

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  yeah i'm not a fan of it... the UI just plain sucks. they have some cool ideas, like streaming results, ... : kill9
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    Also why is it called Windows Live? Does that imply I can only access it from Windows? No, because you ... : kill9
    • Microsoft sucks with the interloping naming. MSN Explorer MSN Messanger and Hotmail but with @msn ad... : rosewood
• I got results in like 0.01 seconds. Shacknews was the first result. : Priest77
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  I don't like how its a seperate scroll bar that doesn't actually move.... : manlyman
  • ^^^ True dat. : senseimoron
  • That's the worst part for me. : freshyk
  • so, it took me a bit, but i kind of get this. i use middle click a bunch to scroll through pages, and it'... : mallrice
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  uh you know its still in beta, still got 6 months til launch : grimiv
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    dude its bloatware....this is a search engine right? im not missing something that might require all that... : manlyman
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      its not just a search engine, no. it has a search engine, and is clearly being hammered right now. : grimiv
      • also, think about how google is so big that MS cant just do the same and win with muscle - they need to d... : grimiv
• Yeah seriously. I am glad I am happy with my Inquistor and Safari setup. It is very simple and not comple... : ovrlrd
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  I both laughed a cried when I saw they used those "notification bubbles" on there that they got in Window : SilverSnake
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    man. the interface could be okay if they got rid of those horrible notification bubbles. : electroly
    • what notification bubbles? how am i not seeing these? : mallrice
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    Microsoft always fucks up 1.0. It's the versions that follow that tend to make an impact. : Fred Garvin
    • Well, I just feel that search engines is a good case of less is better and that's not really something Mi... : SilverSnake
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    Just so you all know, the guy on Lonely Planet has by far the best job ever. There is no limit to the thi... : spiffymc
    • mis-post, sry : spiffymc
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    the images search is pretty slick, a little slow to load, but its much better then Googles. : sharkII
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      I just tried it and search for my motorcycle brings me far less relevant hits then Google. Google's first... : SilverSnake
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        Using the slider to load a lot of images on the page at once (on the top right) and then having the image... : sharkII
        • I guess I don't search that often for images online... I normally find what I'm looking for, the few time... : SilverSnake
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  not so sure on the basic search. image search is kind of cool. searching news for 'bacon' brought up a... : mallrice
  • not much news on the bacon front today i guess : kill9
• omfg it has an always on safe search filter. FUCK THAT. i was just going to play with the image search... : mallrice
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  Ooo this will never get me to stop using google... it sucks :( : dognose
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    http://www.live.com/#q=dnf&offset=1 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dnf&btnG=Google+Search i dun... : mallrice
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      Loading... : Nixx2004
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        Update: Still "Loading..." Forgot the tab was there, it's been sitting trying to load for awhile. Stu : Nixx2004
        • is this a DNF joke : gegtik
• word, homie. : virus
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  It would be a lot more useful if it didn't keep trying to be an application instead of a webpage, the int... : flooq
  • IAWTP. feels too damn choppy. : PUPSTAHS
  • this is why google will win - it's so simple and they stuck with it. : abrasion