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  yeah american artists are such hacks. groan : pigvomit
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    I disagree. Have you seen the sweat patterns on Dwayne Wade's face in NBA Live 2006? Truly captivating an... : Ratsofatsorat
    • zing! : aethyr
• You have to give it to the japanese for inventing a visual style out of what was essentially cheap as shi... : SpaecKow
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  I know I'm in the minority here, especially on this site, but I think Japanese animation blows imho. : Sgt_Boomstick
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    Agreed. Let's make a club against this shit. : cam3lt0sis
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      If aren't impressed by [anime], either you have no soul, or you didn't [watch] more than 10 seconds of it... : Ratsofatsorat
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        Good try, but no. I was referencing one specific amazing game. In reference to Anime, I'm making a ... : cam3lt0sis
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          for me anime was all about the story. Plus it's easier to draw cool weird ass environments than to recre... : Mr.SEX
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            Well, recommend me an anime with a great story. I'll honestly make an effort to getting around to seei... : cam3lt0sis
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              Anything done by Studio Ghibli or more specifically Miyazaki. Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away and Grave... : Craven13
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                Grave of the Fireflies is the only anime that made 100% sense to me. Miyazaki make great looking cartoons... : Fred Garvin
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                  It's born of the horror of the atomic bomb (violence against nature and humanity) and the overcrowding in... : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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                    Context doesn't make the stories any more clear in this case. : Fred Garvin
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                      It's not about clarity or plot resolution. It's about yearning, in my opinion. : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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                        Okay, now you are just making excuses. Is it possible that the stories are just really convoluted or too ... : Fred Garvin
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                          Fred, I wonder if when you listen to music, you feel that you should be able to know what a song is about... : haiku
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                            Whatever. Hey, if I want to watch a movie for the visuals or some other reason I will, but I prefer that ... : Fred Garvin
                            • I'm not a fan of Japanese live-action cinema. Howl's Moving Castle was a huge what the fuck as well. St... : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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                              So your intent and assumptions in experiencing media dictates the quality of that media and how it shoul... : haiku
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                                Right and you never project your preferences on the media you take in. Please. : Fred Garvin
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                                  P.S. I never said anything about the "quality" per se. I said that the stories often times left me scratc... : Fred Garvin
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                                    This is more clear, thank you. Ok, so you don't understand the stories - no problem. Culturally speaking,... : haiku
                                    • Well, story telling is fairly universal. Even though cultures and context change the content of the stori... : Fred Garvin
                                • My preferences, sure, but I don't judge the quality based on my preferences. I mean that would be stupid.... : haiku
            • What kind of genres do you like? Here's some stuff that is very well done: Princess Mononoke Grave o... : aethyr
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          My point was that you're just as reactionary as the other guy. Obviously you haven't watched much anime, ... : Ratsofatsorat
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            psst. don't feed the trolls. : deathofrats
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              I'm not trolling. I have found nothing impressive thus far. I feel I have seen a great deal being aroun... : cam3lt0sis
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                der, ok mr troll. 'more hyped than the 360' 'no style', etc. I am not even going to bother. : deathofrats
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                  Would you prefer I use statements that represent what I believe and/or have experienced in an easy to che... : cam3lt0sis
                  • Might not want to call it 'shit' then. : megarust32
        • Would the animated spawn series, "Todd McFarlane's Spawn" count as anime? That's one kickass series...... : James T. Kirk
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        Some anime is very cool, but the majority is cookie cutter shite. All the characters are very similar and... : Fred Garvin
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          That goes for 90% of mainstream north american television. : ghost hacker
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            Yup, wasn't even talking about that so don't know what your point is. : Fred Garvin
            • Very cool, cookie cutter. Same shit rehashed. I have watched plenty of anime, and no not the tentical por... : ghost hacker
  • Nothing to see here! I don't think it looks so great, but the gameplay is interesting. : 69shots
  • It's all fanservice and kid-brainwashing stuff nowadays with maybe one or two serious pieces a year. 7... : MrLonghair
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    Well, for the most part, yeah it's incredibly cheap, but the Japanese have eventually improved anime with... : SpaecKow
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      I thought Akira was REALLY overrated. I did like Ghost in the Shell though. : weaselmeister
      • Akira is a lot like Koyaanisqatsi. If you can recognize that it was groundbreaking at the time, and appre... : Ratsofatsorat
      • I forced myself to sit all the way through Akira. It is quite simply the worst movie I have personally... : mrfunky3000
  • I think most of it does, there is some standout stuff though : red2lucas
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    I agree in general, but that doesn't have much to do with Shadow of the Colossus. I know he referenced "... : Chris Remo
    • Yes, referring to Shadow and Japanese game animators in general. : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
• but he looks like a she : sanchez
• I generally agree with that statement. : GeorgeB3DR
• Oh, if only I could find a few examples that would allow me to provide a conflicting stereotype! Then yo... : netshade
• It is a beautiful game and I know we could make games like that in North America, it's just getting the c... : Fred Garvin
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  I really want this game. : dltrem
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    ...on 360 : GeorgeB3DR
    • hahahah, no shit, the framerate gets pretty bad, although visually i'm ok with it. of course i'm running... : dopefish
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  A fraction of human resources or technical? : EvilDolemite
  • They use half the magic fairy dust by volume that North Americans use. : Fred Garvin
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    Technical. : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
    • Okay I can agree with that pretty much. But then again many Japanese studios have huge numbers of staf... : EvilDolemite
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      huh? wha? they have less software? pencils? paints? engineering consultants? what? they are dumb and ... : eskimo spy
      • What he means is that the PS2 is an aged and limited platform yet they can eke major performance out of i... : EvilDolemite
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        Given the limited texturing filtering and polygon-pushing abilities of the PS2, the artists have produced... : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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          Don't you think that's a real preference thing? Not everyone is going to like the look of a game like ICO... : Fred Garvin
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            haiku agrees with me. Did you see his 30-second Blame Game poster? :D : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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              WTF does that have to do with this? You named some games you like the look of. Not everyone is going to a... : Fred Garvin
              • Of course there will be dissent. I just think it's pretty hard to deny that the games that have been nam... : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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          Two of those three are American (Retro Studios and Black Isle). Wind Waker is an amazing achievement in ... : EvilDolemite
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            I know, I'm trying to show that I'm not a complete fan boy. World of Warcraft is another good example. : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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              World of Warcraft brings about an interesting point: I've yet to see a Japanese game nail the tongue-in-c... : EvilDolemite
              • More like Japanese humor is just different. Have you watched anime with a lot of humor? Not really the sa... : Ratsofatsorat
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              WoW is a great example. A very clear discipline of Art Direction gives it a much richer world up against ... : haiku
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                Yeah Guild Wars looks nice from the craftsmanship side of the art, but non-unique. WoW is totally distinc... : SpaecKow
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                  Was that engine thing tounge-in-cheek, or do you really feel the source engine is lacking in the tech dep... : haiku
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                    You do realise that out of Doom 3, FEAR's shit (I think it's called Jupiter) and Source, HL2 has the leas... : SpaecKow
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                      Not long ago I would have totally agreed with you about engine feature set. But Half-Life 2 changed my pe... : haiku
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                        That's because shadow volumes look totally lame and force you to put no more then one light in any one ar... : SpaecKow
                        • >>> ... which doesn't suit Doom 3 at all. Guh, my brain never works right. What I meant was "which doe... : SpaecKow
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                          Well, case in point. THERE IS NO UT 2007. I am not disagreeing that engine features in the Unreal 3 engin... : haiku
                          • Doom 3 shipped over a year ago too, before HL2, it didn't stop them. UT2k7 isn't shipping next year be... : SpaecKow
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                          shadow volumes look totally lame and force you to put no more then one light in any one area - thats not ... : eskimo spy
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                            orly? I remember reading the opposite. I guess I'll go fuck around in the game's editor and find out for ... : SpaecKow
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                              Though haiku still has a point - shadow volumes are fucking uglyass things and they would not have suited... : SpaecKow
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                                I think the end result of the last few years of fps game engine tech will be that engines will have both.... : eskimo spy
                                • Yeah that would definetly be great. You have lightmaps for "immovable" and "ambient" light sources such a... : SpaecKow
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                                I dint see him state that anywhere, but whatever. we're definetly in the personal preference zone when ta... : eskimo spy
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                                  He said that he didn't see Half Life 2 looking as good (or "right") with any other technology available ... : SpaecKow
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                                    that the setting and environments of most of HL2 wouldn't be served best by stencil shadowing? which i th... : eskimo spy
                                    • What? Oh, no that was me, yes :) Though I would say that if a technical feature of your engine preven... : SpaecKow
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                              For performance reasons they recommend one light per surface since each surface gets rendered for each li... : timmie
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                                but open any of the doom3 maps and do a r_showlightcount 1 the colors represent how many lights are hi... : eskimo spy
                                • Yeah, that's what I was saying. They recommend as few lights as possible due to overdraw issues. Multip... : timmie
              • Like George said that comes with the massive experience Blizzard has. You are right about discipline and... : Fred Garvin
              • I realize that as a programmer I'm talking out of my ass, but I'm heavily influenced by my best friend. M... : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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    yeah 'resources' in this case does not make sense without clarification material? economical? creative : eskimo spy
    • http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=11089770 : Fred Garvin
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      I just realised, from his "technical" comment, that he was probably talking about coders. So like, Shadow... : SpaecKow
      • I meant that they have a very small polygon and texture budget. : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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      The big japanese dev teams are way ahead of most us teams in terms of talent, skill and artistry. True. ... : GeorgeB3DR
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        ...Of course a lot of this has to do with us publishers not having a clue, and only wanting 2 year or les... : GeorgeB3DR
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          I'd be interested to know if you think all the new game design programs at legitimate universities will t... : -Panther-
          • Nope. They won't. Only time will. And even then, US publishers don't have NEARLY the vision of Japanes... : GeorgeB3DR
      • Counter-point: God of War was developed by a US studio. : EvilDolemite
      • Yeah but don't they also like, spend way way more in proportion to the US? That is to say, doesn't gaming... : SpaecKow
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        I agree with experiencing 'talent' envy when it comes to what many japanese creative folks can do. I blae... : eskimo spy
        • Good point. The Gran Turismo team literally sleeps underneath their desks. : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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    I'm curious about this. I was under the impression that game teams in Japan are rather large. Also, isn't... : freshyk
    • Yes, also ICO came out in 2001 so they had a full four years to develop the sequel. Four years is a nice... : EvilDolemite
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  *small resource syndrome* : gegtik
  • You have very large american resource! : ghost hacker
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  While I completely agree, and even more so when you look at titles like Katamari Damashii, I don't really... : haiku
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    this boggles my mind. how can nations still have distinct artistic styles with the global village that we... : -Panther-
    • In style? No I don't think so. Especially when you start to talk about graphic design. Even in different ... : haiku
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      Seriously though, if you just listen to the way Japanese designers talk about their games versus the way ... : Chris Remo
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        This is very true. When I saw Akira Yamaoka speak last year (horrible translators) he didn't talk about a... : Fred Garvin
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          Yep. Western designers always talk much more about the technical hurdles they overcame or the specific p... : Chris Remo
          • Sort of like this: North America = cool shooter with awesome weapons and gadgets with the player being... : Fred Garvin
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            The best technical answer ever given from a Japanese designer is from Team Ninja's itagaki when asked how... : haiku
            • hahaha thats awesome : yAak
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        My point is much more pragmatic. Simply, shouldn't there be a lot of japanese designers/artists (or at le... : -Panther-
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          American investors don't like risks, and so are unwilling to invest in a project that could be considered... : walker270
          • I'd say the same applies in Japan, it's just that the risks are different. : Fred Garvin
        • But ARE there in fact a lot of Japanese developers in the West (I don't mean of Japanese descent, I mean ... : Chris Remo
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  I completely disagree. Most games that come from Japan aren't really that artistically good. They have ... : dilutedq
  • Oh fuck this is awesome : haiku
  • I'd like some examples because as a rule I can't agree with that. Sure there are gems here and there but... : EvilDolemite
  • dilutedq, jus' doin' his thang... : SpaecKow
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    The awesome thing is most people won't even bother arguing with you because you're that commited to this ... : genjuro
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      I don't think he actually, consciously, means to troll, I think that's just how he... you know.. responds... : SpaecKow
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        Is this a troll though ? I mean, we're debating art here, he's entitled to his opinion as this is a prett... : qwpeoriu
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          No matter the subject, all the kid ever does is walk into a thread and say "nah, you guys are pretty wron... : SpaecKow
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            He's truly a master of his art. Long ago we considered banning him. I've personally dealt with him on the... : haiku
            • Oh god, I can't stop laughing. Must breathe, in and out in and out. Oohhh oh my god Haiku this guy is ... : Optimus Prime
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        Nope. This kid's persistent - if he wasn't so wrong and trollish all the time it would be something to ad... : genjuro
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          geez, i'm having such a problem loading this thread, my internet connection is terrible in this fucking h... : qwpeoriu
          • It's a fun thread. It's got a bit of everything. I wish you would reply to my engines post haiku, I was e... : SpaecKow
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          Wait, hit and run tactic because I don't sit on the computer and wait for people to respond to my threads... : dilutedq
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            Answer his question : genjuro
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              <insert dilutedq's misdirected angry reply to you about your criticisms while he ignores the pressing iss... : CrimsonHandHiro
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                Are these not personal attacks? I answered the question and have yet to go on the offense to anyone, yet... : dilutedq
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                  You fucking exaggerate everything, just like the few people who assume I also shit on everything. You kno... : CrimsonHandHiro
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                    I don't think I've ever exaggerated anything. I don't know why you are getting so hostile either. : dilutedq
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                      See, that's what it's like talking to you, because those were your own words. : CrimsonHandHiro
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                        Sorry you can question past posts if you want, but I've remained as approachable and rational as possible... : dilutedq
                        • The idea of someone literally talking out of their ass both makes me laugh, and indeed seems similar to t... : cam3lt0sis
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              any form of anime, most any japanese games. Thier exaggerated movements, disproportioned bodies etc. I ... : dilutedq
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                Quake 4, Doom 3, Need For Speed series, Fear ... All of these have great art direction in my opinon and e : genjuro
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                  It's personal preference. but take a look at Most Wanted. The game has an amazing look to it. and it d... : dilutedq
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                    I'm trying to think of a response to this but I have no words. Thank you for that riveting discussion ... : genjuro
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                      I want someone to make a "DILUTEDQ DISAGREES" image macro. That's all it needs to say. Maybe I'll make on... : haiku
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                        http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddisagree5pq.jpg BAM. : SpaecKow
                        • This is fucking awesome : haiku
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                          Execution could use some work, but the concept is 100% loltown. : filtersweep
                          • Well that was like, two minutes, so... yeah :p : SpaecKow
                    • so I answer your question like you wanted, and did it in a fashion where it is easy to see that it is ju... : dilutedq
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                      What? Why is what he said so ridiculous? All of the games he listed have amazing art direction. The ... : cam3lt0sis
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                        I may be blind and retarded, but even I know Quake games have dogshit art. : filtersweep
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                          Quake 3? Dogshit art? What. The. Fuck. You must live in a parallel universe. We cannot see thin... : cam3lt0sis
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                            Quake3's artwork is awesome : armybob
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                              It's like they had fifty high-school virgins draw everything. : filtersweep
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                                So far your criticism of the artwork has not extended beyond the choice of player models. Also: They d... : cam3lt0sis
                                • The animation of the models was the most impressive thing. Still kicks the shit out of any UT* game in my... : armybob
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                                  It's just boring and slapdash. There's nothing distinctive about it. There's generic space fort, generi... : filtersweep
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                                    you're welcome to your opinion of course. I think the art and pixel detail to the textures is really well... : armybob
                                    • I've always felt that Id's art execution was top notch, but their art direction always seemed like someth... : freshview
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                            Skeletons with gunZZZZZ!!! Big-boobed women in skimpy gladiator armor!!!!! BIKER DUDES WIF MORE GUNSSSS... : filtersweep
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                              well those are the models.....the level artwork in quake3 is realy damn good. Good variety and really imp... : armybob
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                                Quake3's art direction was consistently inconsistent, though that is it's charm and what I liked about it... : haiku
                                • like I mentioned above, the market Quake3 was going for was a total online only experience, something lik... : armybob
                            • While you are entitled to your own opinion, art is subjective. I mean it can be twisted around to anythi... : dilutedq
                          • needs more lens flare skulls. : CrimsonHandHiro
          • Yeah pretty much. : tomservo
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    It's funny how I make a comment based on my opinion and yet people pull out comments I made about them be... : dilutedq
    • Ladies and gentlemen: dilutedq : haiku
    • lol : genjuro
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      what : tomservo
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        Foiled! : filtersweep
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          dirty bitch. I didn't see this coming. : boomstickah
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            No one expects the filter interjection. : filtersweep
            • shouldn't you be fitting your girdle? : boomstickah
    • i'll just sit right here under tomservo : boomstickah
• wtf? squaresoft EOT : kill9
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  I'm not very impressed by the style or looks of it. Way too washed out and bland. I appreciate the scope ... : Jumperus
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    The pallette was an intentional choice I think. : EvilDolemite
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      Yeah I rather doubt that they didn't plan to use such pale earthy tones. I think the game is beautiful... : SpaecKow
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        Don't disagree they chose it. That's just obvious. And it works well (see Saving Private Ryan and Band of... : Jumperus
        • ICO has a lot more color. : EvilDolemite
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          I think it's a choice/by product of having limited texture memory. Why not make the creatures out of the ... : Fred Garvin
          • wtf are you talking about? Who said it doesn't make sense? I'm saying that *I* don't like it. And gave my... : Jumperus
• There's no need to get that excited about a game. :) : Mad Brahmin Disease
• I think that in this case what really impresses is the attention to detail. I don't know if it's a Japan... : brickmatt
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  How did this thread get so massive? : dltrem
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    dilutedq and fred garvin do not fuck around. : haiku
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      they're my two favorite posters! : boomstickah
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        They are everyones two favorite posters. It's too bad forum invasions are tacky, dorky, stupid, and not a... : haiku
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          Keep talking out of your ass haiku, but you are truly the biggest troll. I've tried not to respond to an... : dilutedq
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            do you honestly want to know why you're catching so much shit? it's because you took a contrarian stanc... : -Panther-
            • except I've always backed it up, as i did in this thread. so please re explain where you make sense. : dilutedq
        • it's mean but I lolled. oh yes. I lolled heartily. : -Panther-
        • Dude, you should talk. Seriously. I'd love to see you hit a Comic Sans Appreciation forum. : Fred Garvin
• rpg's? i agree fps? lol i disagree : tomatoactivator
• holy shit, this thread has the most legitimate discussion i have seen on a thread in a loooong time. : gibmiser

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• no u :( : nyranger66
• yes :( : Boxelder
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  T_T : freshyk
  • >:( : tacocat
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  i'll go online right now and hope we get matched up : armybob
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    I'm sitting on the friends matchup screen and nothing is happening :( : n0v4
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      searching now : armybob
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        god fucking damn it i hit the fake item block at the last second on moo moo farm!#$! : n0v4
        • STOP TEASING YOU BASTARD : Serpico74
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          good games. That final track on lap 2 I hit the a banana and fireball thing right in a row. back to f... : armybob
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            on rainbow road i drifted off of you but the drift boost pushed me off the edge :( all pretty close ra... : n0v4
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              yes your Icon was awesome. I wish I had any artistic skill :( : armybob
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                :D actually I used this website: http://zsivanys.nl/mkdecal/ it'll turn any small image into a perfect... : n0v4
                • How big are those logos? Can you view everyones' on Nintendowifi? I want to get them on the Shackmap DS... : ThomW
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  When it gets to a real platform like Xbox Live. : GeorgeB3DR
  • So, never basically? : Boxelder
  • I'll think of you when I'm merrily racing with all the Shackers but you George. ;) : ThomW
  • OMG 2005 we have switched platforms'd : supermonkeyballz
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    You know how much better multiplayer gaming has been since quakespy? ASE? Hell even mIRC and ICQ! Bein : rosewood
    • One of the best parts about playing those games back in the day was because someone would always walk in,... : atom519
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    George, I cannot believe you are not a Nintendo fan! Course, the DS does suck though. : Frosty3D
    • http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=10737598 : armybob
  • Oh shit, you're switching DNF over to XBox 360 exclusive, aren't you :( : PenicillinX57
  • Hey, at least it was released. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• maybe after I get pissed off and drive around =/ : Turd Ferguson
• why you throw kart? =( : mikage
• Yes. I can't because I don't have the goddamn game, but I want to. :( : Serpico74
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  so how is the lag? pretty decent play? : TheTick
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    no lag at all in the games i've played tonight. solid contact between racers. : n0v4
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      fucking sweet. gg nintendo. I really want a DS. : TheTick
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        get a blue one : Mr.SEX
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          better than red man. personally I'd rather just get the original silver/grey or whatever, but really ... : TheTick
          • Get the pink Nintendogs bundle then. :) MrLonghair did. :D you can add the text yourself if you want to : SilverSnake
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            the blue one makes your penis bigger too : Mr.SEX
            • No it just matches your ball color : melkore
    • Can't wait to pick this up tomorrow. : Serpico74
• don't make me buy a ds you bastard :( : jcutner
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  You fuckers still playing? : cookblaze
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    im playing a random match right now i'll be ready for friends in a minute : n0v4
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      I'll be waiting. : cookblaze
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        Armybob and Maulla get over here : cookblaze
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          I'm waiting in the friends matchup right now : n0v4
          • Me too...I think I've found you...I wonder how long before it decides to start a game : cookblaze
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            i'm cumming : armybob
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              we just started! : n0v4
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                wtf disconnect and start over : armybob
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                  i'm getting owned :( but damn its fun : armybob
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                    be back on in a bit i'm starving and been putting it off for awhile because of MNF and MKDS. btw did m... : armybob
                    • it looked really good, just like the game. : n0v4
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                Holy shit that is a cool logo : cookblaze
                • Yep. I used this site http://zsivanys.nl/mkdecal/ to turn the spirte into a grid and copied it : n0v4
  • those games were intense! too many close calls to mention : n0v4
• woot, got my copy, painted my shacklogo, beat 50cc. Time to see if I can get online via sharing with a ... : Turd Ferguson
• Everyone in this thread with Mario Kart DS is a bastard. By that I mean that you are the product of a... : Serpico74
• SNES > N64 : Experiment IV
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  Good games D.bags : cookblaze
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    i own you fuckers :D : n0v4
    • N0v4 knows how to lie : cookblaze
• Where'd you get it? : BulletPro
• I tired to buy it but their poster said it won't be out until the 16th :( : r4wk
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  Right now it's searching for friends but I can't tell if anyone is online or not. Get online so we can sh... : armybob
  • cookblaze add my friend ID code 227692689108 i have yours in just need you to do the same : armybob
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  my id is 8057-0001-356-7000 but I probably won't be on until tomorrow. Just glad I got online and it wo... : Turd Ferguson
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    add yourself here http://shackmap.com/gamertags.php i'm going to add your ID after this match btw that... : armybob
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      ah fuck, too many codes. 098843681516 : Turd Ferguson
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        added you, and yes this code system is pretty weak but i'll survive just for MK online : armybob
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          you and nova should install skype also. Or we use XBL. eitherway voice chat on this shit is a must with s... : armybob
          • melkore-shack So I'll be ready when I get mine in 2 weeks this is going to be a long 2 weeks : melkore
          • I'll get that shits setup tomorrow. : Turd Ferguson
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            ok anybody up for a quick round before I pass out? : Turd Ferguson
            • armybob and i just finished one. I'm up for another : n0v4
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              doing a friends match right now : armybob
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                hahaha gg Turd on not changing your name but your emblem is awesome : armybob
                • hand drawn baby : Turd Ferguson
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                  how long did it take for you to get your confirmation email that the ids are linked? : Turd Ferguson
                  • just a couple minutes : armybob
            • FYI i just linked my logins so my name is something random : Turd Ferguson
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    thats your DS machine id your friends code is different. : n0v4
    • ya i just tried it's not the right one. Go to Friend Code, then Confirm Friend Code. It will display your... : armybob
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  I do.... can I come over? : SarahWearingPants
  • Only if I can be Raph : melkore

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• IAWTP, but it's a blessing in disguise. it makes you appreciate other games more : RikiTiki2
• I wish you regretted it :( I hate people who do that shit to me. I want to have fun playing a game and if... : armybob
• I hate you but I still laughed anyway. When I see people plaing like this I always tell them their douche... : boomstickah
• good, i'm really sick of intentional tk's : cygnus
• u ain't cool to me no more sirrrrrr kidding : xphil
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  it's just so frustrating when Dice doesn't seem to give half a rat's tail's shake of a fuck. I was playi... : proclone1
  • Indeed. Bullshit like that happens all the time. For example, I was trying to shoot down a helicopter t... : PenicillinX57
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  Not necessarily directed at anyone particular... I am a team killer. I team kill often. I team kill fo... : unknown_fiend
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    ^^^ why I don't play games online any more : filtersweep
    • same here. Without friends/shackers I think i'd probably quit 99.999% online games : armybob
    • pretty much. i hate tkers. no matter the situation. because, if you're fucking up one guy on my team, you... : mindmann
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    Man... that sounds a little overkill. I teamkill as a *very* last resort. : crummynz
    • I teamkill radio spammers. you know what i'm talking about : RikiTiki2
  • Perfect example of why I sometimes get depressed when playing online. : stuka
  • Trying to justify it by saying you only TK vehicle campers and racists is bullshit. Why can't you do all... : Krypt_
  • Oh the irony : fishbone
  • i've been known to teamkill squadmembers who don't follow orders. for example, i hop in the gunners seat ... : kenmis
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  I hope you never play it again, ever. PS: You have no idea how to play that game if you can't down a chop... : stuka
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    Whoah, somebody's panties are in a bunch. I guess I obviously have no idea how to play the game, though.... : PenicillinX57
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      he's right though. stay out of the sandbox if it's too much for you to handle. : -Panther-
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        WTF. My 1st intentional TK'ing spree in 4 months and the game is suddenly "too much for me to handle." ... : PenicillinX57
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          I just hope you're the only one who has the odd TK session (even if it is every 4 months.) : crummynz
          • I'm too much of a stat whore to TK intentionally. : mrfunky3000
        • I never said anything about how good of a player you are. My only point is that if it gets to the point... : -Panther-
    • No panties in a bunch. You're confessing to being one of the annoying bitches that make online games unbe... : stuka
    • Here's how you take down a chopper: shoot it with the machinegun on a jeep or on top of a tank. It has ... : Krypt_
• Dirka Dirka : abrasion
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  can you honestly say that you've had a huge amount of fun EVERY time you've played a multiplayer game on ... : mrfunky3000
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    Yeah, I was thinking... imagine if Beyond Good & Evil or Freedom Fighters or Psychonauts was the huuuuge ... : crummynz
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      I haven't played BF2 so I'm not passing any judgments on it, but there's a big difference there. BF2 is ... : Chris Remo
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        Yeah... bad analogy. Replace BG&E, etc with your favourite underrated multiplayer game. : crummynz
        • would Savage fit the bill? : RikiTiki2
        • more like every RTS ever made... I suck at those. : mrfunky3000
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    I think you misunderstand me. Getting owned in Quake 3 is WAAAAY different than getting owned in BF2. I... : PenicillinX57
    • Holy crap bad grammar. I need to go to bed :( : PenicillinX57
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      as a side note: you hit the nail on the head for why I hate pvp in MMORPGs : RikiTiki2
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        Ah, good point. I quit Guild Wars PvP after about 2 hours when I realized, "this is based on pointless, ... : PenicillinX57
        • Uh, Guild Wars PVP isn't based on random chance. It's teamwork and character builds that matter the mo... : Nixx2004
        • wow u realized GuildWars sucked after 2 hours of playing! your credibility is going down the toilet here. : shacktool
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      "I'm not saying they don't envolve skill, but it's much less important than having the right equipment at : mrfunky3000
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        This man gets it. I think BF2 is insanely imbalanced right now but you are 100% correct in this. Additio... : stuka
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          again, I'm not trying to compare the gameplay of BF2 to Quake 3. argh. I am merely comparing different ... : mrfunky3000
          • The Quake comment was actually intended for the root poster. Sorry. And yeah, the insane balance I menti... : stuka
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        I agree with you that BF2 has lots of different opportunities. It is certainly on of the most diverse an... : PenicillinX57
        • I fully agree with you there. All that's happened to me a ton. The only thing we seem to disagree about... : mrfunky3000
        • Even I can gree with you on this. : stuka
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    Here is the difference, for me at least: when playing Q3, i can always look at the situation and say: ... : mallrice
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      that's where you're wrong. You can improve your BF2 skills. You can pinpoint what you did wrong. for e... : mrfunky3000
      • Very good point and clearly stated. There is so much skill involved in BF2 you could write an entire boo... : shacktool
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      hehe online communism :D I like that. I agree with you though. Thats why I find myself playing Tribes ... : mc-fine
      • T:V rocks, too bad no one bought it. :\ : d0gbert
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      There is usually SOMETHING you can do. There are times when your team gets down to one flag and you get ... : Krypt_
      • ^^^Well said : nrgXs
• Enough TKing in that game already, .. sure they didnt even notice. : rosewood
• Halo 2 multiplayer. Probably some of the best paced and balanced game play. : jake
• Just play Enemy Territory. It's lovely : blackhawk
• Please go back to CS. Asshole TKers are not needed in BF2 there are already enough of them. : shacktool

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  Wow, it did worse than the current-gen ones. : Chris Remo
  • Yeah, it's kind of interesting how these ratings are working out. Are they basing them on their expectati... : Ratsofatsorat
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  Not bad I guess. I'm aching for some next-gen football so I guess I'll pick this one up. Especially since... : -efx-
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    Hope your have a DS by the time I visit!! : armybob
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      I don't think my wife will let me buy any more systems after the 360 : -efx-
      • i'll talk to her. We need to multiplayer Meteos, Mario Kart and AWDS when i'm out there. : armybob
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  Kameo reviews: Gamespot: 8.7 http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/kameoelementsofpower/review.html ... : Ratsofatsorat
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    IGN: 8.4 http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/666/666667p1.html : Ratsofatsorat
    • Just watched the video review. Looks pretty solid really, but he says it's pretty short. 11 hours to beat... : Ratsofatsorat
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  1up gives PGR3 a 10.0 http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3145713&did=1 : Ratsofatsorat
  • someone has some good kneepads : mallrice
  • 1UP gave Halo 2 a 10 as well, and while I love Halo 2 a great deal, that just seems kind of silly. After... : Chris Remo
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  Needs more Perfect Dark Zero reviews. : freshview
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    I'll be curious to see how they turn out. Perfect Dark Zero is such an unknown quantity to me at this po... : Chris Remo
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      Exactly. I'd love it if it was fantastic (the coop alone has me excited), but the back and forth preview... : brickmatt
      • I think the coop will be worth the price of admission but I really hope there's a solid single player exp... : freshview
    • Yeah, well I played a Kameo Demo, and there is a CoD2 demo (not to mention PC version), and most other ga... : freshview
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  Sigh. Pretty much as expected. And lots of other cool titles you can play on PC. Missing the killer ap... : GeorgeB3DR
  • Agree. I'm still surprised there isn't anything that just MAKES me go out and buy an xbox 360 :( : Visceral Monkey
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    This is pretty much how all launches go though, right? I mean, when has there been an exception? N64 ... : brickmatt
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      Mario 64 is really the example that stands out in my mind. People criticized that launch at the time, but... : Ratsofatsorat
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        I never bought it. I never raved about it. I didn't like the controls from when I played at a friend's ... : rosewood
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          Well, you were definitely in the minority I think. Mario 64's controls were praised up and down. You coul... : Ratsofatsorat
          • indede, it was revolutionary : MikkleThePickle
          • I doubt the majority of people owned an N64. Ive never gotten used to 3rd person control. Always fe... : rosewood
    • In the US, Dreamcast had Soul Calibur. But aside from Halo, Soul Calibur, and Mario 64, the recent con... : freshview
  • PGR3. Kameo. Arcade. 200+ existing games in 720p + AA. Top of the line PC games on a $300 piece o... : jake
  • How could Madden have ever been the killer app for launch? Especially a world-wide launch. : xenoeye
  • You know what would have made a killer launch title? :) : mojoald
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  Well right now i'm still leaning towards just PGR3 at launch and PD0 if the coop experience is good (gimm... : armybob
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    yep... I watched the Kameo video review on GameSpot and it sounds like an awesome rental, but not somethi... : MikkleThePickle
    • that's what i'm thinking. I don't mind paying $50 for a 10hr experience but after spending $400 on the s... : armybob
  • If PD0 doesn't get great reviews, I think I'll definitely be passing on the system until March or so. : brickmatt
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    Kameo sounds like a lot of fun once you get past the begining that gamespot.com talks about, the combo sy... : armybob
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      plus, Kameo sounds like a game my wife could enjoy : MikkleThePickle
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        I bought it for my wife, I'll probably play it, but my wife was going nuts for it at E3, and that was a s... : freshview
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          is your wife a gamer? I'm still hoping to turn mine into one :) the only game she's really "played" (ie c... : MikkleThePickle
          • Turning my GF into a gamer has proven difficult. She likes the Sims 2 of course, but the second I stick a... : Ratsofatsorat
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  the lack of challenges is pretty strange, a bit like leaving out flags or some penalties. : chazums
  • Typical EA, graphics over gameplay. Review doesn't mention if game or season stats are realistic, eith... : Nixx2004

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  If aren't impressed by Kameo, either you have no soul, or you didn't play more than 10 seconds of it and ... : cam3lt0sis
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    i liked it but it was annoying- JUST LET ME PLAY, don't make me sit there and listen to all that stuff, l... : snowwolf
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      i agree they aren't designing games with ADD teenagers in mind! : shacktool
      • I don't like that shit either. Just let me play. : GeorgeB3DR
      • In store demos shouldn't make people wait a few minutes to checkout the gameplay. : walker270
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      You've got to be fucking kidding me. They jogged through the intro story in about 2 minutes and then dro... : cam3lt0sis
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        if its a demo it should get to the point. there are like 8 kids in line behind you and you just want to g... : gegtik
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          wow. what about CoD2? you couldn't do anything for a couple minutes in that game either? it's part o... : cam3lt0sis
          • How about an option to skip it? Everyone is happy. If you want to watch the intro - fine. If you've pl... : Nixx2004
      • I can't believe you're ragging on him for a shor... oh, hey gotta check out this other post... : 69shots
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      I kinda agree. I was like 'wtf, a cutscene already???? Wait. Wtf, another one????' I had to ask th... : Optimus Prime
      • Kameo, Timeshift, Halo 3, and Gears of War are all games I want to play on the 360 for sure. Still gotta... : Optimus Prime
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    I think it stems from the fact that I have a computer so the graphics don't impress me. Gameplay was int... : sKetchflow
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      It doesn't matter if you have a computer. The graphics on Kameo surpass all games out for the time being... : cam3lt0sis
      • plus think how your casual gamer friends are going to react to the 360. My friend has a nice DLP tv and ... : Mr.SEX
      • I disagree!!! EOT muahahahaha : sKetchflow
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        Is that the only launch title that has breath taking graphics? serious question : 69shots
        • Not by any means. You'd be pretty blown away by the in game visuals on Need for Speed: Most Wanted, same... : cam3lt0sis
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    I am witnessing the creation of the X360 Gestapo : stuka
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      I know you've got to love Kameo. It's probably the most original game I've seen in a while in terms of t... : cam3lt0sis
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        Umm. You don't know what "gestapo" means do you : stuka
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          I do. I was simply explaining myself, because I thought the idea of my comments sounding like an X360 ge... : cam3lt0sis
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            Actually, I looked at your comment history after reading some of your other comments today and it's prett... : stuka
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              Pretty much. We'll see if it ends up being a letdown, but after trying the Kiosk on many occasions, and ... : cam3lt0sis
              • Well, I think you've had enough hype cocktails for the night buddy. I'm gonna have to ask you to leave th... : stuka
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  yeah and cod looks like crap compared to my system : pzilla
  • I know talk about jaggies galore : MikkleThePickle
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  Holy hell, how many of these posts are we going to have to see? This has to be at least 10 now in the la... : Tripps
  • I promise this will be my last. And someday I'll get my 360 and gears of war and i'll be like... "omfg i... : sKetchflow
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    Maybe just like the WoW threads the mods can restrict them to one. : Fred Garvin
    • Endure my meh post and i'll endure your OMFG win post tomorrow : sKetchflow
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  pls dont talk bad about xbox360. People take that REALLY personally. : kainen1
  • i've noticed. hehe. : sKetchflow
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  Yeah those kiosk at EBgames only have 3 playable demos. I had a chance to play around with one earlier a... : SamJackson
  • damn straight! : sKetchflow
• same. : grendel