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  How are the items? Is the treasure hunt aspect pretty good? : slax0r
  • it's come off as diablo+. The things i'm gonna describe is telling you what's different from diablo. Be... : kingdepork
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  I was considering picking this up, but the gameplay seems WAY too simplistic : gegtik
  • get GW already, you definitely have the mental capacity to play it as long as you don't smoke a bowl at t... : Luminair
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    It's a fun diablo clone, nothing more. It's hack and slash get more weapons and really doesn't pretend t... : kingdepork
    • i hope its not the serious sam 2 of rpgs (because ss2 sucks) : gegtik
• Holy crap this game is fun. It's almost exactly like Diablo... except different. I like the quasi-cell ... : slax0r
• perhaps if it had co-op I'd be more interested, but otherwise I don't feel like there's much incentive :/... : ChowYunCat
• Okay, how do you combine gems? I've got three cacked topazes (although for some reason they're blue inst... : slax0r
• I played the demo and it was pretty fun. Only downside is it comes from WildTangent. : Chod
• I played the demo, loved it, bought the game.... and now the game randomly freezes on me, requiring a har... : Ride-My-Rocket

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• anyone?????? : JesseH91902
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  google is your friend : Mister Groin
  • Google didn't show any free websites. How about being helpful next time? : JesseH91902

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  VooDoo 2 SLI recommended! : crazywigga
  • hehe I never had a system capable of running this game with all the weather effects. yes weather effec... : unknown_fiend
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  A quick overview of the game: Depending on what mod the server has installed determinss which armor se... : unknown_fiend
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    Oh yeah everyone has a jet pack so this game has some aerial combat. Not like in battlefield 2 but you do... : unknown_fiend
    • hidden female scream noise ftw : sanchez
    • I remember this: requesting apc requesting apc requesting apc requesting apc requesting apc reque... : Maddog_Delphi97
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  It was a great game, possibly one of the best multiplayer ladder games ever created. The size of the maps... : Fyunch Click
  • A bunch of GGers still play tribes every day. : d3tached
  • agreed. one of my favorites. : edgewise
• SHAZBOT! : sheivachman
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  When was this game made free? : das_runt
  • when Tribes 2 was released : Dalant
  • Quite a while ago. : sharkII
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  Dynamix made so many cool games. : tomservo
  • it's too bad they haven't done shit with garage games. But I can understand that : crazywigga
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  in other news, Tribes Vengeance is good and fun but I was apparently the only person who bought it. DI... : Luminair
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    Tribes Vengance was awesome fun but CS:S killed it before it's time. I'm going to reinstall it on the ... : Dynotaku
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      T:V died because no one bought it. It sold very few copies but it could have turned out great if the comm... : armaduck
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        I was a big T2 fan personally. It always bugged me how some poeple who had played t1 would complain about... : tdub54
        • Maybe that is a contributing factor into why CS has been so successful over the years. It changed increme... : armaduck
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          yeah i never played t1 but t2 OWNED me for months and months. I even wrote an 8,000 word guide on how to ... : kenmis
          • step 1) find someone who can actually shoot a projectile weapon and won't simply use you for a ride >_< ... : tdub54
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          that's pretty much it. all three games are very, very different. t1 is like the battlefield games (th... : thebigbeefsandwich
          • yeah, the small maps for t:v were really annoying. I didn't like the vehicles much either. To me it felt : tdub54
  • Tribes Vengeance was so fucking awesome. I'm pissed they canned support for it. : omnova
  • What I loved about the original Tribes was vast outdoor spaces and xbox huge bases. The demo for T:V had ... : reign27
  • It was awesome in ways, but you're dreaming if you think its multiplayer stands up to the Tribes franchis... : thebigbeefsandwich
• my wrist thanks you for the hour of Tribes football I couldn't help playing after this post :( ... but mo... : thebigbeefsandwich
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  tribes always had too steep of a learning curve. I was either getting my ass handed to me at first or my ... : byorn
  • It was a bit rough playing it but once you got over the curve it was one of the best games I had ever pla... : melkore
• i've got this still in the box somewhere, just to lazy to find it. Downloading now!! : Silent1
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  huh? since when did they release the full game for free? i totally missed out on this back in the day (st... : ballystix
  • Both T2 and T1 full versions were released for free to celebrate/pimp the release of T:V : gyrfalcon

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• Use a different proxy? : ghost hacker
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  attn Greasemonkey Menz? : moonbreaker
  • That could work, but I'd be worried that there would be some link burried in the DHTML that would sink th... : ThomW
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  you're judging debates. oh crap. : hirez
  • ^^^ this is what I was thinking j/k rosewood we luv u : halophoenix
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  remote desktop to your home or set up your own proxy there and save yourself the trouble : nadasurf2
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    Its a blocked network - only outside traffic allowed on any port was through that proxy and that proxy on... : rosewood
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      SSL proxy server running at home on port 443 ftw. : ThomW
      • thomw ... no outside traffic allowed : rosewood
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  c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts ? : mallrice
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    Think about that for a second : rosewood
    • oh duh : mallrice
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  i clicked.. :( : g0nk
  • I clicked..even after reading your post :(( : IcomeINpeace
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  Made this (took me a while since I'm not familiar w/ PHP's functions and stuff...) Hopefully this'll sat... : Xhost
  • Oh yea, if you can't get to the site, here's the ip url http://64.5.53.114/proxy.php Hopefully your... : Xhost
• Yeah, so how did the debate judging go? : ChibiJosh
• You surfed the internet in between debates? During Cross-Examinations? While they were speaking? durin : sgtsanity
• find the sysadmin and badger him? : the archvile
• actually the links are relative. browsers or whatever adds the http://shacknews.com/. if you view the sou... : poppasp1ce

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  The game has to support that aspect ratio. 480p does support it, otherwise no DVDs would be WS :) : Simulacrum
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    well a game machine isnt quite a dvd player. there is performance to keep in mind, etc. : Maarten Goldstein
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      So it is more the decision of the game developers than the progressive scan itself? I know god of war us... : eeeealmo
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        If you're new to this, you may have been. 16:9 enabled games send out a squased 4:3 picture that looks li... : Kryn
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          well the 16:9 works fine when it is using normal RGB, it only switches to 4:3 when i turn on progressive ... : eeeealmo
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            What kind of display is this? : Kryn
            • A philips 27" HDTV (not lcd or plasma) : eeeealmo
  • actually dvds, even when in 16:9 anamorphic widescreen, are still 480i. progressive vs. interlaced has no... : ttyRazor
• Shit, it's out? I might have to see if any UK mags have it and buy my first PS2 mag, er, ever. : node
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  It does 16:9 and progressive scan concurrently. You'll see reviews of the game in the near future. : rudds
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    So the fact that i can't do that in the demo is only because it is the demo? : eeeealmo
    • Right, in the full game they work at the same time. : rudds
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  Where did you get it? : dltrem
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    October Official PlayStation Magazine. Came out a few weeks ago. : Chris Remo
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      well the dude at EB gave me mine. but maybe that is where it came from. : eeeealmo
      • If that is where the demo came from, you would have been assaulted by OPM ads and titles when you started... : cornchak
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      Ga ga ga ga ga I want it. Buying it asap. : tomservo
      • It comes out this week though. Also, the demo from EB and other videogames stores are fom a more recen... : cyb0rgninja
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      You doing a shack SOTC article? Review? : SlamDunk
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        Doubtful. I don't have an advance copy of the game and I don't have enough daily time to play games to h... : Chris Remo
        • Better late than never. I like you writing style :) : SlamDunk
• So sick of games without 16:9 support. : abrasion
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  Is it an official sequel or is it just by the same people? : abrasion
  • i think that its just made by the same people. the main character has no horns. : sabadog
  • Just made by the same folks, and has a similar sort of art direction. There are supposedly some nods and ... : Helter Skelter

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  why would it have been easier if u didn't want to use the cd changer? : scapin
  • Because then I'd just use the Headunits changer input. simple plug and play. Here i had to get a switch t... : Blackdawgg
• Eh? Everyone buys things they end up not using in the future. If you are forcing yourself to use the chan... : ovrlrd
• sweet...I've been wanting to get one of those for my car as well. I have an itrip but it's generally mor... : xocsida

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  *eyes glow red* DON'T MAKE ME DESTROY YOU : Toraz Chryx
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    *cue We Love Katamari losing mini-game* : sgtsanity
    • I so wish I could shoot back in that game :( : Postal
• OS X = FreeBSD with a much better UI : Postal
• IIRC, it's based on a BSD kernel, so it's Unix-like, but it's not Linux. : Bingo
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  OSX is based off of UNIX. Linux is not UNIX. : qwpeoriu
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    OSX is based of BSD, BSD is based off Unix. : Judecca
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      can we download Unix like Linux? : Gaurav Sharma
      • There are UNIX distros you can download, yes. I'm not sure of ones you might be able to download to run o... : qwpeoriu
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        There are a few true UNIX's that can be downloaded and use free of charge. The only SYS5 variant I know ... : themelon
        • this explains many things, thanks a lot guys! : Gaurav Sharma
    • BSD is a base varriant of UNIX not based off of it. There are two basic types of UNIX, BSD and SYS5. Li... : themelon
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  You can't recompile your kernel to enable VESA fb console! : Judecca
  • Can you compile the kernel and then open up a socket? What if we all reboot our systems, first? Never min... : Bold
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  also what's "darwin"? : Gaurav Sharma
  • Darwin is basically OSX stripped of all the nifty API's and the UI It's just the kernel and underlyin... : Toraz Chryx
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29 : vigilante
• It's not Linux, nor is it really "UNIX". It's Apple's own blend of what you might "unix-y" with a GUI ... : Maddog_Delphi97
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  Basically, anything you can do in linux you could do under OS X (aside from OS X performance issues in a ... : bostrov
  • awesome, main thing i needed to know, thanks! : Gaurav Sharma
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    iBook guys. How do you clean yours? Mine is getting dirty after less than a month in places I don't e... : adev
    • did you sneeze? : Bingo
    • use a vacuum cleaner : rasputinreborn

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  That was frickin' sweet, good job. :D I'm the guy running around at the start mowing down zombies en m : Dslyecxi
  • shhhhh I covered up j33uk's death in the editing, heh. : Foxhawk
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  Music: Approved. : sanchez
  • thx, jr walker and the allstars are the best, eh? : Foxhawk
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  Damn, I feel like a dope for missing the practice mission last night. Gonna have to put in some serio... : Ninja Techno
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    don't worry about it! we had some complete noobs show up last night, and they did fine! just show up :) ... : Foxhawk
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      Along with that, "total newbs" tend to attract fire.. the more of you there are to take bullets for us, t... : Dslyecxi
      • Well, er, "No pain, no gain," aye? I will definitely be there for the 29th and 30th, but hopefully imp... : Ninja Techno
• Thats so fucking cool. : d0gbert
• That was pretty cool. It even looked like one of those zombie movies. They just seem to overwhelm every... : Kiriakos
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  That was great. I can't believe he made it out of that building. : lechuck59
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    http://dslyecxi.com/screens/Operation_Flashpoint/0510_Shackbattles/oh_shit.jpg : Dslyecxi
    • I got lucky that they didnt know how to use the stairs. : Umbr
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  C'mon, I did not cause that mid-air collision. thermal updrafts : Dechter
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    My only regret with that is that I wasn't there to take pics + divx. =( : Dslyecxi
    • lol It was funny. : NFXFSX
• Excellent use of Hell March. : mrfunky3000
• Nice video havvkmeister! The credits were funny even! :) : rasputinreborn

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  Getting a ping of 150 or thereabouts from Vancouver, BC area. Anyone else going to join? :) : GrimmyD
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    Actually it seems to be a ping range of 80-100 now. Seen a few 'player joining' messages, but nobody's in... : GrimmyD
    • I saw your name. Hey, atleast you can join and play! I'm just fucking pleased I got a HL server running o... : askedrelic
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  One thing of note for clients, an update was released: http://www.hidden-source.com/ Changelog B2 -... : GrimmyD
  • omw, don't leave! : Foxhawk
  • Are you getting weird messages on the lower right? Or is the netgraph giving weird responses? Someone was... : askedrelic
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  I have the 2a update installed but it says me version of hdn_docks differs from the servers. wth. : Foxhawk
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    I have the same problem - seems the server isn't running the latest version ;( : ResidualEffect
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      Damit, I think you guys right, I'm not running the latest version. : askedrelic
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        Update and work better! : Ratalon
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          Should be updated now, try again? : askedrelic
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            Works AWESOME! : Ratalon
            • \m/ enjoy the server! : askedrelic
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  Going in with 2A. : Ratalon
  • Same problem as Foxhawk :-( : Ratalon
• Server crashed :( : GrimmyD
• A+ : Luminair

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  question: do you know if the dvd that is out is the director's cut? or is that coming out at a later date... : sleepyvt
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    I can't tell. : trove
    • just read that the longer cut will be released sometime in 2006. maybe the movie will be better in the lo... : sleepyvt
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  Wow, that bad? : flarpo
  • I'm a histroy buff and though the tactical depictions were good (except for the gas bomb trebuchets) ther... : trove
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  Yeah, I couldn't get over how let down I was by Ridley. That movie fucking BLEW. : Super Sparker
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    it had some serious potential, but didn't deliver at all : sleepyvt
    • it skipped through too much of the little things that would have made the movie a great piece. because of... : eldiablo01
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    Could you qualify this? I'd just like to know why you didn't like it. : Q-ball
    • I'm a HUGE Ridley Scott fan. I love his work, the man has a masterful eye with the camera and (usually) l... : Super Sparker
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  I kinda liked it. Sure, Orlando Bloom isn't the greatest actor out there but the movie was entertaining e... : -efx-
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    Yeah BLoom wasnt who i wanted to see in this role but it was still a good flick! : Ulfie
    • Friggen Paul Bettany was supposed to start in it!!!!!! DAMMIT!!!! : Super Sparker
  • if i didn't have such high hopes for it, i probably would have liked it. i just built it up way too much ... : sleepyvt
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  is it basically The Passion of The Crusade? : the archvile
  • No, it's basically King Arthur in the Desert with Clive Owen Orlando Bloom : trove
• Supposedly the original cut is over three hours and is much better than the 2hr 10 minute theatrical rele... : Dechter
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  so what is this movie really about?! : idigporn.com
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    It's about how hypocritical Christians are. And that's a no shitter. : trove
    • And before someone disagrees, the movie opens with a priest desecrating the dead and closes with Salah al... : trove
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  Gladiator > * : omnova
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    Tron is better : mr.sleepy
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      I tried watching Tron again about 2 years ago. It didn't hold up. :( : Super Sparker
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        It didn't hold up to what? : mr.sleepy
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          My memories of it being a kickass movie. :( : Super Sparker
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            More like you didn't hold up to it as being a satisfactory movie viewer. Tron still kicks ass. And always... : Halen
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              Tron... is like.... TRON. It's TRON. It's not the "best" movie, there is no opinion of it, it is TRON. : mr.sleepy
              • Ooh, I like this. It simply...is : Halen
          • Something happened to you in that time period that must've impacted you heavily. : mr.sleepy
    • Don't recall really liking Tron, though I probably need to watch it again. : omnova

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• Never used Premiere, but the demo of Soundforge should allow you to do it fairly easy. I forget the menu ... : tomservo
• you have to specify which premiere you're using : jojomcbobo
• Don't you just drag and drop the crossfade transition onto the end of the audio clip so it'll crossfade t... : Super Sparker
• replied to your post, here's how you keyframe audio levels: double click the audio segment in the sequ... : atheist_uberboy

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  I have a p5nd2-sli deluxe, it can overclock like a motherfucker, but it's way more than $100... : u sir name
  • how much. and is there a new egg link : alsey7
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  you want to replace your cpu and mainboard... and you're looking at Intel? Pentium 4's nontheless n : Toraz Chryx
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    Personally, I'm going "huh" at your consistent use of "srly" as a shorthand version of seriously. It read... : DKo5
    • srsly isn't shorthand enough. : Toraz Chryx
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    Are You calling me a lier check this out. a screen shot http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpu7a... : alsey7
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      OMFG, I can't believe they actually made a 2.66Ghz S775 chip. And no, I'm not calling you a liar, no n... : Toraz Chryx
      • just playing around hehe come on tortia take a joke : alsey7

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  It's called time dialation: The formula is t = t1 / (SQUARE ROOT of (1 - (v^2)/(c^2)) where v=your... : Flynn
  • and it's time dilation : Flynn

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  * throws a red shell at you * : Toraz Chryx
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    * drops banana to block * : Degenerate
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      * tosses out blue shell * : SilverSnake
      • * thanks allah he's in fourth place * : Degenerate
    • * lols @ you for dropping a whole banana, picks it up and eats it, then drops the skin to take out Silver... : Toraz Chryx
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  Say when, faggot. : Ajax
  • 15 minutes-ish? : Degenerate
  • lol : flarpo
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    when, Ajax? : gegtik
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      tell daddy how you like it >:( : thekidd
      • i been bad real bad : gegtik
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  Yes : Chris Remo
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    >:( : Degenerate
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      Are you playing right now? : Chris Remo
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        yes!! : Degenerate
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          Ok, send me an invite when your game finishes up. : Chris Remo
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            You're too formal Chris, you need to cuss and use the word "faggot" more. : mr.sleepy
            • I cuss plenty, but you won't find me calling people "faggot." Except to say I don't say it. : Chris Remo
• and miss an oppertunity to plow your ass? I'm in : sigpro
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  I'm in! Special notes: stop your torrents before joining. : Dante
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    for serious : Degenerate
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      i can't believe you are going to play . . . RIGHT NOW YOUR WHITESOX ARE TRYING TO WIN!!!! : jedi_27
      • fuck the whitesox : Degenerate
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        You should ask your wife if you can play with us too. : Ajax
        • I wish his kid would play so it would be a challenge : Degenerate
      • You should play, fuck the sox. : Dante
• IGI bitches! : creep
• Room for one more. Get in! : Ajax

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  http://www.primotechnology.com/index.php?art=articles/1005/pminterview/index.htm Video Notes: -The vi : notd665
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    wait, you got to interview him? This is good. : Luminair
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      this is very good! Even though it looks like a high school kid interviewing God about Jesus, the results... : Luminair
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        You know that Arcade is the trojan horse for downloadable AAA titles. Even though he sidesteps that. : Fred Garvin
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          actually I honestly think that getting into downloading AAA games is too much of a hassle right now and i... : Luminair
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            Agreed on every count. As cool as it would be to download Halo 3, you're right, there's a lot of issues t... : notd665
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              half-life 2 on steam turned out ok last year : Gaurav Sharma
              • *NOTD cringes. : notd665
        • Yeah and movie downloads. If you watch that Channel9 video from yesterday they briefly discuss that as w... : Carnivac
  • Yay. This rocks. My question was in there. Thanks! : Vic Viper
  • MY NIPPLES ARE HARD IN ANTICIPATION :D : DKo5
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  he seems agitated : bosst0ne
  • I have that effect. : notd665
• Hmm, I bet they don't want external drives for games on account of the hacking. Can't blame them, but peo... : Fred Garvin
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  ATTN GAMING MENZ GAMES DON'T GROW ON TREES!! : Fred Garvin
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    I tried to refrain from laughing. :P : notd665
    • Hey at least peter moore knows that we're all going to buy the xbox with the hard drive. : fry975
  • Wait, I think I see the Halo 3 buds forming out back! : notd665
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  i got no sound on this pc at work, did he mention the .au launch and price? : CoRDS
  • he cut the interview short, we had more questions for him. : nyranger66
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  Good news about networking with XP. Although I'm still not 100% clear on whar kind of vids you'll be able... : Cygnus X-1
  • Did he actually admit though to being able to stream vid from xp pro? : X Fuzion
• Not really that informative. : Topaz

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  Are you playing the first one or the second? : Ecks
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    First one. It's so damn addictive. : Thresher
    • Man, if you think you were addicted... back when it came out I got 100% on all of the collection runs. I... : Ecks
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  Haha yeah Wolfenstein 3d had me running through endless corridors in my head at night when I was a kid. : tomservo
  • yeah Quake did that to me. It was always down a corridor, pick up some nails, through a teleporter, rinse... : cap n KRUNCH
• Spider Solitaire had me shuffling cards back and forth in my head for a week. : omnova
• I get obsessed with Tetris and can't stop playing, sad thing is I can't let myself cheat and get the piec : Audhuml4
• I get that way with a lot of games. When I used to play too much Tony Hawk, I'd run around in other ... : ThomW
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  http://nokatamaricleanup.ytmnd.com/ lol : Do_Or_Die
  • Dammit, I had just about gotten that song out of my head. : Thresher
• Get the sequel. The music overall is better in the first. Otherwise, EVERY SINGLE THING about the sequel ... : Serpico74

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• Oh and if you've made some really awesome tracks then please post them as I'd love to drive some Shackers... : Zero|DPX
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  does this work on the demo? : cpt_gloval
  • The first track SHOULD work on the demo version. The second track PROBABLY WILL NOT work on the demo ver... : Zero|DPX
• Downloading now... hopefully I'll get my game before the end of the month. Free shipping from UK is n... : Bingo
• Bump for 4 KB downloads and a really great game : Zero|DPX
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  The Island Hopper track was good. Despite having a couple repetitive moments (one long sweeping jump into : Ajax
  • The fifth checkpoint actually DOES allow you to clear the jump, but you need to make use of the elevated ... : Zero|DPX

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• thats pretty cool ~ voodoo ~ : gegtik

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  2PM Tues? : ventro
  • lol, nm. thought you were asking when. New Orleans again? : ventro
• God I fucking hope not. : freshyk
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  Hurricane Tammy ? : porp
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    tammy was a couple weeks ago, rained on the SE : RikiTiki2
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      hah, and I live in Georgia. I remember those miserable days now. So this one will be Hurricane Vince Vaug : porp
      • Wilma : notext
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  Looks like it'll probably hit the Florida Panhandle, and the track predicts that it'll become a hurricane... : yoonix
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    go hawaii : RikiTiki2
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      I wonder if Kona coffee is as expensive in Hawaii as it is here in the Northeast. : yoonix
      • who cares? you have dunkin donuts :( : cpt_gloval
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    Have you been paying any attention at all to our luck with weather the past few years? Florida is the las... : laurgasms
    • Winter's good though, no? No hurricanes, and it's not freaking freezing. : yoonix

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  Was Starship Troopers 2 any good? : flarpo
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    Why would it be better than the first one? : RatBastard
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      well considering rocky iv >>>> rocky... um i dunno. : cpt_gloval
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        uh your view of rocky movies is extemely skewed rocky1>rocky* such that * equals a number 2-5 inclusive : Yabrodan
        • Rocky 1 does not have Ivan Drago, therefore it cannot be the best. : tbreffni
  • oh god no. : NeoMoose
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    No. It was fucking brutal. Don't even bother renting it. I bought it, sight unseen, for a buddy for his : Super Sparker
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      Wow, that bad? I never saw it, but number 1 was mediocre IMO and I was just wondering about the sequel. : flarpo
      • I loved the first one. Campy, good theme, etc. The second was so bad, I would rather watch a SciFi Satu... : Cottc Cid
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        It fucking HORRIBLE. The final action scene is laughable. These soliders that have been taken over by t : Super Sparker
        • heh, sounds like Space Mutiny. : the archvile
• Damn, you made me switch the channel and it's showing the Addams Family MOvie! : -efx-
• Spoil Starship Troopers 2 for me, how were Kelly Carlson's bewbs? : Lunatic Angelic
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  top 10 things i learned while watching starship troopers (stolen from imdb forums) 1 - Live fire exer... : e v i l
  • lol @ #10 : 60days

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  hdtvarcade.com hdtvgaming.com? (something) - theres 2 or three specific ones. : abrasion
  • hdtvarcade is perfect, thanks a lot : n0v4
• http://144.92.43.200/hdg/ : Break

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  does it take the crown from doom 3 though? : crummynz
  • no way, but it took the thrown. : mindmann
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  Oh god, if you liked it it must suck...... : Normality
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    Hey guru of the undead, is Land Of The Dead (the game) the same thing as City of The Dead? I saw you pim... : Haku-Jin
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      From what I can tell no, as they are still shopping for a developer to take over City of the dead as its ... : Normality
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        Faded out? : ( That sounded like a cool game. I hope they release it at some point. : Haku-Jin
        • One more question. In co-op can you become infected? That was one of the really cool features in CoTD. : Haku-Jin
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  scary though :( : abrasion
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    very!!! only HALF-LIFE and DOOM3 have even been able to scare me. Both MAX PAYNE's freaked me out . . .... : jedi_27
    • I couldn't finish D3 without cheating -and I couldn't play more than 5 minutes of system shock 2 :( ... : abrasion
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  too bad the mp is so bad :[ : osiris_brad
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    one question: do you know how to use health kits? : thebigbeefsandwich
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      i have not played the multi, but it might be like the single player . . . so press 'z' : jedi_27
      • that's how it was in the MP demo : RikiTiki2
      • yeah I know how, I'm asking because it's essential in mp, and he keeps saying how bad mp is. sounds like ... : thebigbeefsandwich

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• No, it's hidden source time! http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=10921726 : askedrelic