Quake 4 GONE GOLD!

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  It just went gold man, give it some time. I imagine that the game will be out soon and then right after r... : SpaecKow
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    fear's demo came out august 3rd. almost 3 months before the games release : manlyman
    • You don't find it convinient that they spaced out the releases then? You get fear now and Quake 3 later. ... : SpaecKow
    • So. It's not like it's some kind of personal insult if they get the game out before the demo. They're w... : capt tripps
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  a game like FEAR needs a demo. Quake sequels don't need demos to sell. : maru mari
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    Yeah that's true - it will also have "id software" on the box, that won't hurt either. : SpaecKow
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      The "Sheep Effect" I like to call it. "Oooo. this game was made by (insert company name here)! It *M... : RSVDoomsday
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        I see this all the time. And there's the flip side of it...the companyXYZ pissed me off because: A) t... : Vorlonesque
        • i felt obligated to buy doom 3. i got into id starting with quake 1 and up until quake 3 arena they were ... : ColonBlow
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    Which in itself is surprising considering what the last 2.5 were like. : abrasion
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      2.5? lol no. : maru mari
      • The addon for Quake 3 I mean, I'd call that a half. : abrasion
    • In all honesty...Q2 and Q3 were pretty good multiplayer games IMHO (and I get that your are uber-singlepl... : Vorlonesque
  • I'd say that it's been since a long time between Q2 and Q4 that a demo would be needed. A lot has changed... : Grimmadog
• Same for me, although I admit to a pre-disposition against Quake4. However, a demo could change that... ... : yAak
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  I'm sure LAZINESS is a huge factor. Ignorance for 200 Alex. : Cygnus X-1
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    im sure it is not that difficult to release a demo, especially if the game is gold, im no dev buff, but t... : manlyman
    • demos take time away from regular production - no it's not just copy and pasting a chunk of game and uplo... : eskimo spy
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  ditto... FEAR is gonna be sweet. course if they get a demo out for q4 in time then I might have to make a... : thebigbeefsandwich
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    I couldn't get into FEAR. It seemed neat but I just couldn't stand the weapons. If there is one thin... : Turd Ferguson
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      Hehe, funny that you should mention this, because one of the things I liked about FEAR was its weapons. : yAak
      • Agreed, I really like em, though playing the map is more important than the guns themselves in fear. : Speedy8
• You should have gone to QuakeCon if you wanted a demo. : omnova
• Same, I really like Fear, and without being able to try Quake 4 first, I'll play fear instead. But I was ... : Speedy8
• When was the last time Raven fucked up a game? : Popedispencer
• Guarantee you still buy it. : 00kewk00
• I intend to buy both....really different games (I see Q4 as being good for multiplayer and FEAR being goo... : Vorlonesque
• Yep, FEAR isn't the greatest game in the world but the demo was fun and interesting. Personally I don't e... : nutcrackr
• Eating an apple instead of an orange, testament to me not having to peel the fucking apple. Orange + pee... : Pneum0
• getting both. : afrochops
• I agree, God forbid you buy two games. : zehh
• Get over it. Like anything you've played before this has been anything groundbreaking. Give me a fuckin... : Vic Viper
• I'm in the same boat. : thejm4n

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• I agree. Raven makes kickass games. Blizzard & Raven will always get my money. : Phil

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• I like it, I like the Q3 gameplay. I wonder what maps are going to be converted over. : suicidemachine
• Quake 3's DM was fun. I spent my days in UT, but I still enjoyed the DM of Quake 3. The QuakeWorld ty... : SpaecKow
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  i like quake 3 but i'm ready for a change it will be nice to have maps and weapons that people don't h... : Mansmells
  • The little I played of it at quakecon felt alot like q3. My personal dm favorite is quake 2 but q3 ain't ... : -efx-
• Ive always liked the "feel" of the Quake games. Doom3 though felt like you were running through transpare... : cap n KRUNCH
• if its not broken, dont fix it. : impact
• If the movement is like QW or Q3 I'm happy. I was never a fan of the way the movement felt in the UT seri... : Serpico74
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  I guess here's a short list of things I didn't like about Quake 3: 1) Falling damage. You took fallin... : omnova
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    I love q3's shotgun. But damn some of those models were annoying. : Pneum0
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      I used to love the eye with legs, but got to where I hated it. : suicidemachine
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        i just used doomguy and forcemodels : poppasp1ce
        • tank jr FTW : Neech
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      I hated the jumping sounds. Really really hated. There was only one model with a moderately tolerable jum... : GreatGooglyMoogly
      • UNF UNF UNF I AM JUMPING/BACKFLIPPING UNF UNF UNF =P Yah the jumping sound was pretty annoying. : theflux
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    Other than the craptastic AI and lame models (forcemodel ftw) I'm going to disagree with all those points : DKo5
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      I agree with all your points...couldn't have said it better myself DKo5! My only gripe with Q3 was the f... : Vorlonesque
      • The worst thing in my view was that the machine gun was overpowered. In duels you could spend ages buildi... : mactu
    • spot on correct : te[R]ror
    • IAWTP. My favorite thing in Q3.. other than the movement feeling right, is that each weapon is good for ... : Pneum0
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    Uhm, Q3A's running speed was actually faster than UT's (Q2's running speed, if I remember correctly, was ... : Vorlonesque
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      I'm not sure that feels very correct... did it take FOV into regard? I'm not sure, but 90° FOV in... : GreatGooglyMoogly
      • Maybe it was horizontal vs vertical FOV. : timmie
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    slow speed?! find the run button and press it. : biskits
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      Somebody had to stir something up. I'm surprised anyone agreed with anything I said, including the model... : omnova
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        I was gonna say, you made so many whacked or false complaints it hadda be ein trollenblocken. : eskimo spy
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          Heh well except for the movement speed and maybe weapon switching, I do get annoyed by those things. In ... : omnova
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            you can set weapon stay in server settings. and no way in hell way the movement speed in UT faster than q... : eskimo spy
            • i seem to remember thinking "damn, you fucking run really fast in UT compared to q3" too. Maybe it's an ... : headless
  • Q3 movement speed is faster than all games in the UT series. Much faster. Acceleration and stopping in Q... : Serpico74
  • Here is my arguments against your points 1) Falling damage is very controlible, especially when when you... : Rageaholic

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• This is awesome. : TastyWheat
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  ...US & Canada only I imagine? : rosone
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    Probably - unfortunately that's usually required for us legally. Sucks for non-North American fans, I kno... : Hellchick
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      ehh, we got used to it : rosone
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        next time try to be born in america : derean
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          next post, try not to be a cock : biskits
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            It was a joke, dude. : kin83
            • You're the joke, buddy.. You're the joke. High Five! : ArB
• Right on man. Congrats to everybody on the team! demo plz : Turd Ferguson
• Sweet stuff! : j33uk
• \m/ dude : askedrelic
• awesome, and congrats on going gold and such. : Matto357
• Very classy move my friend! : -efx-
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  Aside from this, I wanted to note that Caryn and many of the other women working on Quake 4 during crunch... : BlackCat9
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    Thanks for the pimp, BlackCat9. Yeah, our charity knitting is still going strong and we'll be adding more... : Hellchick
    • Funny, I was thinking of comissioning a special Wolfenstein or Doom scarf from you when you first started... : BlackCat9
• Awesome guys and girls! Good luck with the game. : Athlon7
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  I met Hellchick on a plane before. She was pretty cool. : ease_one
  • Hahaha, I remember you! : Hellchick

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  Um Raven has proven quite capable of making good, solid FPS games. I expect they will add some needed ze... : dognose
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    An id game is an id game. A Raven game is a Raven game. I find something special about id games. I do not... : annih1late
    • Nail + head. I feel the exact same way. Let's hug. : [7]kami
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    I didn't think SOF2 was that impressive, shooting limbs off doesn't make a game. : nutcrackr
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      SOF2 had some solid multiplayer, which is pretty much all I played it for. I can't fault anyone for givi... : AcesnEights
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        Solid? More like, perfect. Was my first real multiplayer experince with a clan & everthing. It was ama... : Optimus Prime
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          I think allowing server admins to change the damage count on any weapon was pretty much the downfall of S : skruff
          • I agree. Base damage made for more interesting fights imo. Plus everyone and their goddamn brother had ... : AcesnEights
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      Maybe not..but shooting guys in the crotch with a shotgun never gets old! : limabone-jlp
      • LOL. I'll second that. : PatrickB-
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    Comparing Raven to id Software is liking comparing a band that plays covers to the band who wrote the or... : flasher 907
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      Are you mad ? Raven has proven themselves to be far more original then Id has ever been and will ever hop... : Stargazer78
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        each post of yours I read makes it clearer you dont know shit. : Pneum0
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          Settle down fanboy. : Stargazer78
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            Ah, the classic response when one runs out of actual arguments. : -efx-
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              I'm not seeing any argument from either of you, why bother myself ? : Stargazer78
              • It's cool, I keep telling myself everyone has the right to their own opinions.. even if blatantly ignoran... : Pneum0
      • Sssshhhhhh infidel. Ssshhhh! : [7]kami
  • I want the game to be amazing (hell, I want ALL games to be amazing). That said, every Raven developed ga... : Serpico74
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    They haven't made anything good since Hexen, and that a bit crappy here and there too... so I might want ... : GreatGooglyMoogly
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      Heretic II was the shit. If you disagree then I hope you die : armybob
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        Hmm. I don't remember anything from that game.... so I wonder if it could've been that good. Shouldn't I ... : GreatGooglyMoogly
        • Not every good game does well. Heretic II didn't catch on (I think part of it was the whole being a thir... : Vorlonesque
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          It was an extremly highly praised title. Unfortunantly not every great title sells well. Heretic II was b... : armybob
          • Yeah, I'm well aware of its good reputation and critical acclaim at the time (but that means squat in its... : GreatGooglyMoogly
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  i got totally burned by DOOM3...$55+tax...NO REPLAYABILTY :( : shacktool
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    And how many FPS's give you replayability? And don't say Half Life 2. I love the game, but I still woul... : Tripps
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      Q1-Q3 gave me around 3 yrs each game. : chuck577
      • It's the multiplayer that kept ya hooked though, right? : Pneum0
    • yeah i guess ur right. I solved HL2 on hard and never played it again. : shacktool
• Raven doesn't play second fiddle to id. They've made their share of great games too. I'm sure Q4 will be ... : freshyk
• Raven has made some fine shooters over the years. I'm looking forward to this one. : Colleton
• DOOM3 was a great shooter. I loved every minute of it. : Haku-Jin
• Even better, it's a Raven developed title. : x-eyd|mary

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  Pretty please? : DKo5
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    You suck at harassment. : omnova
    • Umm... MAN THIS GAME IS LAME. DM IS PROBABLY SLOW WITH WEAPONS THAT HAVE NO SOUL. IM NOT BUYING THIS W... : DKo5
• harass harass harass : Johnny Law

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• Quake 2 had hooks for coop but was not designed for coop. : 00kewk00
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  I think Doom 2 was the last id product that had coop, and even that was just deathmatch in SP maps with m... : Dynotaku
  • Quake 2 had Coop included in the first Point Release IIRC : TastyWheat
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    The original Quake had coop as well. I can remember playing it my freshman year in college. : Roofus
    • oh man... I have spent many a drunken hour playing Quake 1 co-op. It was freaking great!! The only th... : Gwyndion

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  I will spend the money wisely. Dynerman: beard trimming fund is growing! : sweetnutz
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    I'll contribute to that. WITH GREAT SUCCESS. : Hellchick
    • Maybe you could knit something out of the trimmings. : Mad Jack McMad

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  I'm dying for RA4. RA2 made Quake2 my favorite FPS of all time. BRING ON THE RA4! : Roofus
  • Same here, first it was threewave, then RA2 foreverafter. I'll be real bummed if rocket area is left to ... : Pneum0

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  u + job = new pc & quake 4 : CplBeaker
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    u + job + girl = no money : Faluzure
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      u + girl + pimp + john = mo' money! : sinistarfith
      • you + girl + knife - girl's parents = more money still! : ihya

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• shiat, i'm excited. i've waiting a LONG time to kill more stroggs; especially more detailed stroggs. i tr... : reverend~heresy
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  maybe its cause doom3 sucked? : paganritual
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    That is absolutely meaningless. Doom3 hate is based upon a design and not the engine. Q4 is entirely diff... : 00kewk00
    • didn't you hear, ANY slightly Id-related news item is a siren song for people who normally wouldn't take ... : eskimo spy
    • not really. i associate the look of Doom3 with a bad game, and Quake4 looks a lot like Doom3. i didnt mea... : paganritual
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  I wonder how many ppl on the shack still play Q3 on a regular basis.. : mc-fine
  • I still play WolfET. Does that count? : zen2k
• SAMO. same old shit : invadernny
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  Same old shit is right. I think most of the old school has moved on, and I'm pretty sure the new school w... : kablamoman
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    >Same old shit is right. I think most of the old school has moved on, and I'm >pretty sure the new school... : Logan1v1
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      Where have they moved to, you ask. Answer: online poker. : GreatGooglyMoogly
      • Its scary how true this post is. : DKo5
  • No game has taken q3's place as a fast action twitch shooter. The level of play is above and beyond anyt... : Pneum0
• Wow...3 year member and it took him Q4 to post finally ;) : ColoradoCNC
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  I dont bank on mods anymore...remember doom3 and HL2 were supposedly going to have all these cool mods...... : shacktool
  • We have to wait for capture the chicken. : matthaeus

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  Yeah, then a second later everybody will be bitching about the speed which is too slow for some and too f... : zehh
  • Case in point -- http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=862828 When people say something as stupid as a w... : zehh

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• Lets hope it gets finished and released! Would be a ton of fun. : DKo5
• I can't see anything in those screenshots, lol dark lol : nutcrackr
• I was all about the original Quake TeamFortress.....oh I loved it so : zipper76
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  That concept art is, umm... Yeah. Lets hope that the actual models are way more inspired then that stuff. : Ajax
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    the original TF for Quake was awful in terms of art. The levels had like 3 textures (bad ones at that), a... : sicko
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      The maps look good, as do the current model renders. But some of that concept art was just tough to look : Ajax
      • yeah... I just remember those eye violating maps from the original TF with a single BAD texture repeated ... : sicko
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  BTW, it's the same mod that was known as D3F, just renamed. Same people, same screenshots, same concep... : zehh
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    To be fair, Team Fortress belongs with Quake 4 alot more than it does with Doom 3. I enjoy Doom 3 single... : capt tripps
    • Or jumping on the bandwagon. But yeah, I do agree with you. : zehh

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• I have farts more powerfull than that. : themelon
• but its quake 4, so quake 10 is gonna rock your socks off : papaskot
• Yeah it made me wonder of Todd ever took a basic science class in HS : shacktool

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• Nothing else comes close to Q1's raw adrenaline rush. The responsiveness of the controls, unhindered p... : hadokennn

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  Raven's games have always felt half-baked and completely average to me. But yeah, I hope they kicked ass ... : Serpico74
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    What the hell, SoF1 is one of the top 10 best games ever made. : dognose
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      You forgot to add "in my opinion". I can think of several dozen games I'd place in front of SOF1, let ... : Serpico74
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        Well, i've been more impressed with Raven then i've ever been with Id since they released Doom... : Stargazer78
        • Speaking of which, Doom 2 played with zdoom still rocks my socks. What a FUN fucking game that is. I'll n... : Serpico74
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        That's 'cause it's not my opinion, it's fact. : dognose
        • Sorry duide. It was one more average, completely uncompelling game produced in a professional manner by R : Serpico74
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          Don't feel bad Dognose, this guy thinks Spielberg's an artist. : ( : Haku-Jin
          • Up there with Hitchcock and Kubrick, yup. I also know that you're still wrong. FACT ;) : Serpico74
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      Never played SOF1, but SOF2 rocked my socks...... : zipper76
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        SoF1 is way more awesome. I highly recommend it. : dognose
        • I missed out on playing this, maybe quake2 was dominating my gametime back then. In what ways was it bet... : Pneum0

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  yeah they are so ashamed of it that they let hundreds of people play it for days at a time at Quakecon. O... : eskimo spy
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    Not the same, q4qconmpdemo - hundreds, q3test - millions : rosone
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      that test existed because it was a giant betatest of new tech. this is on established tech, with some new... : eskimo spy
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        Well, I do get your point, but I just have a different opinion about it. It's like saying they didn't mak... : rosone
        • Well, they did what they did and thats probably why I couldn't care less. I'll check out the demo, but i... : theflux

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• I didn't even buy Q3. I just wait until the tech gets licensed to a company that will actually make a gam... : Bean

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• it certianly wouldn't be Raven's fault, but I understand people who get annoyed at their $1500 investment... : derelict515
• it would get expensive to buy a computer once a year... : papaskot

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  It won't...it shouldn't. DOOM3 engine is next gen...you need to have the power to run it. I don't but... : omontero
  • More current-gen at this point wouldn't you say? I mean, it's currently available. : jake2000

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  no u. =P : Pneum0
  • Meh............................ : Stargazer78

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  Well, except for the few who played the multiplayer in QuakeCon and got sold on that. Lucky sods : MrLonghair
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    yeah, I havnt played it and i'm still sold on it. More q3 = winner in my book. The sp is just icing on ... : Pneum0
    • If I had a computer that would run it satishfactory (hello, demo) I'd buy it just because it wasnt a WW2 ... : MrLonghair

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  Nobody nails the movement and feel of actually being in first person like id though. : Pneum0
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    Agreed. Compare the movement in QW or Q3 to the UT series. No comparison. Now we just need some more k... : Serpico74
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      Rocket area is my favorite mod by far. Here's hoping somebody puts some real effort into it. I'd like t... : Pneum0
      • Damn, I forgot about those. I remember really missing them when RA3 first came out. Maybe they'll return,... : Serpico74