Blizzard Shuts Down bnetd

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  it can be bad because bnetd let you play mods and the like, as for the mmorpgs it lets people play withou... : Yabrodan
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    You can play mods with Open TCP/IP games as far as I remember : MrLonghair
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      correct. TCP/IP is still a viable solution. : jedi_27
      • TCP\IP was not really available in Starcraft at the time the suit started and the defendants in this case... : schnitz76
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  it's bad because they didn't modify Blizzards code, they just wrote their own servers from scratch. it's ... : -Panther-
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    wow, I did not realize that was the case .... was that the case in all situations? (I image if they w... : Nation
    • bnetd is the server, to use it you have to change one configuration file, so you can put this up there wi... : -Panther-
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    They modified the way the game worked. It doesn't matter if they modified code or not. You can violate ... : royaljester
    • I once made a card house out of my Uno Cards deck. I voilated their EULA. : kevp
    • yeah, which is total nonsense in most (non-legal) people's mind but, as I mention above, it's totally kos... : -Panther-
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  I disagree. The game companies still get the full price for a PC game with the sale of these MMORPG's.... : famine101
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    But Blizzard isn't selling you the code for their game, they are selling you the right to play it. If you... : gnoleb
    • How is this relevant? The bnetd people didn't steal Blizzard's code. They just figured out what it did. : Arcanum
    • lol. Just taking something is not reverse engineering. wtf. : vigilante
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    Why are MMORPGs constantly being brought up here? Bnetd was a server for SC/BW/Diablo/Diablo2. Not WoW. : Zibro
    • because most of us do not really know what it covers. : Nation
    • You're probably right. But the point is moot because this ruling will affect any reverse-engineered WoW s... : famine101
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  Uh, battle.net is free and Blizzard isn't making any income from it... : rotten element
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    you notice those ads and sponsors in there champ? : Gauss
    • Don't forget the great level of order on bnet to, with none of that customer support and all! : Barrel213
    • What sponsors? They stopped doing that about two years ago. : rotten element
  • You notice the fact that you don't need a legit copy of the game to play on bnetd servers? : MrLonghair
• People that play on free servers probably won't pay to play. The reason they're playing on the emula... : valael

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  Cookie-cutter anti-capitialist comment, CHECK! : MR 9000
  • yes and your comment was sooo deep and original. : cucumber1972

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• That's the point, if i'm not mistaken. : barichnikov
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  Oh come on. It isn't some great injustice. The problem is bnetd allows people to play without CD-Keys. Wa... : gnoleb
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    yes because all your reasons are perfectly reasonable and less time-consuming, then you know, just moddin... : lightly inclined
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      They aren't reasons, they are alternatives. Sorry it is time consuming to do otherwise, but "modding"... : gnoleb
      • If my understanding is correct, it is the bnetd server that allows people to play without a their own CD-... : protozone
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  Yep ... lots of Starcraft sites had their own servers/ladders/tournaments back in the day, using Bnetd. : Stage
  • pgtour.net just opened back up. I don't know where it's hosted, but I hope it doesn't get shut down becau... : cucumber1972

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• Sounds like it. : Fred Garvin
• That doesn't actually affect the game software since it runs on the pc. It's just a tunneling program. : shabadoosa
• Xbox Connect and other tunnelling programs only deal with system link games. This situation would be mor... : radjago

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  that too. Hardware tech companies have entire departments dedicated to analyzing, taking apart, and reve... : Luminair
  • that has happened, but a middle man has to be used (unless I am confusing this for some tangible items). ... : Nation
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  it is the difference in copyright laws and paten laws. : Nation
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    copyright laws are flawed. THis is another proof. : omontero
    • What does any of this have to do with copyright laws? : protozone

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• free that is. : radula

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• Yes, that would probably be illegal. Those companies sign you up to a contract to use their service. : gnoleb
• I think there's also FCC code you'll vioate by not getting allocated freq's and coverage areas. : pebui

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  Assuming it's against the license, yes. Otherwise, every game that was cracked and ripped would be legal... : royaljester
  • How many games don't include some kind of anti-reverse engineering for the end user? My guess is alot do... : Q-ball
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  No, lots of game want to the users to mod them. Games made by people who don't want users to mod them are... : gnoleb
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    Any time that the EULA states "...shall not reverse-engineer..." (or other such like wording) even if the... : schnitz76
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      so what do you call the SDK that companies release to make mods with? : scatti
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        a tease : jaga
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          Basically yes, unless in the EULA there is a provision for modding -- as is the case in the ut2004 EULA (... : schnitz76
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            but you are still out of your mind if you think modders using an SDK have anything to worry about. you ar... : scatti
            • Don't be so sure of yourself there. Go to any sim racing forum and ask about modding some papyrus games. : schnitz76
            • That Middle Earth RTS that came out not long ago is/was violently anti-modding. Checked out a couple of f... : Ebu
          • Well, you may be entirely wrong there. If they release an SDK there may be implied conditions under the l... : Fred Garvin
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      HUGE difference between reverse-engineering adn using an SDK put out by a dev. See, here is one -> ... : Fred Garvin
      • LOL, at Shack formatting fucking up my diagram. : Fred Garvin
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        your 0.5mm space aside, is it different, technically? If the EULA says one thing and developers release a... : jaga
        • The SDK usually comes with it's own EULA which spells out how it can be used. : Fred Garvin
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  Every reverse-engineered or hacked piece of serversoftware that allows users to run their own unauthorize... : MrLonghair
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    "That agreement prohibits reverse-engineering." That statement makes no mention of networking or server : schnitz76
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      http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=10677032 : Fred Garvin
      • He's not talking about an SDK here. : Ebu
    • There as no reverse-engineering involved at all if you are given the source code or provided with tools t : s2jason

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• Sure haven't had any troubles with server downtime in Lineage II! /me dives for cover, giggling hyster... : Omaha

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  warcraft 3 was the main bnetd goal. they did it for the betas, for the patches, and now they just use it ... : barichnikov
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    The official Bnetd never supported betas. However, since bnetd was opensource, people built their own bet... : Stage
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      It's pretty ironic that Bnetd would probably have stayed below Blizzards radar if the program hadn't been... : evildanish
      • Indeed ... it only became an issue when someone made a version supporting the Warcraft3 beta. : Stage
• Umm, no. Bnetd has been/is being used with WC2/3, Diablo 1/2, WoW and SC. bnetd has been used every sing : mikage
• Starcraft, Warcraft 2, Diablo 1/2 -- after that point the lawsuit was filed and the defendants only touch... : schnitz76

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• same here i did not realize they had free servers up for games like WOW and DAOC : oneshot

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  This is the question most have had: http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=10675658 : Nation
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    this is actually even worse for gamers: http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=10675905 and he's absolut... : -Panther-
    • there are a couple things to counteract that: 1. the market - think of what the highest selling game all : Nation

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  You sign it when you install the game, if you don't, and the store doesn't allow you to return it because... : MrLonghair
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    If my wife signs a contract ... I am not bound by the contract. In the same since there is no proof th... : Nation
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      People never read it anyway : MrLonghair
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        yeah, but that argument will not work in a court of law ... could work on legislatures, but not with judg... : Nation
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          I agree, but I think it should hold up to a certain extent, as there are extreme cases. For example, o... : P-Squid
          • I know & agree ... and alike I said: There are major legal issues that still need to be settled with t... : Nation
    • exactly. It's easy to come up with a dozen loop-holes. Unless of course the defendants testified that the... : -Panther-
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      Precedence has addressed this. In the US, it's ruled that if any parts of a license that are reasonable ... : royaljester
      • guilty of reverse-engineering reverse engineering is, by definition, legal. without it, we'd all still... : -Panther-
  • RETURN EVERYTHING FOR A FULL REFUND! Get a refund for all unused games, software, music, movies, etc. ... : yqbd
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  what if I was drunk at the time? : Yabrodan
  • My mouse was coerced to click your honor. : Dread Pirate Roberts
• This has been a long running precedent. Nothing has changed. : royaljester