Xbox 360 Pricing Announced

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  Come on .. for the price of a tank of gas you can get this! : Dread Pirate Roberts
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    speak for your own giant SUV plz : osiris_brad
    • Hey it even costs me $30 to fillup :( : EvilDolemite
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      for 2 tanks of gas you can get this!! : edgewise
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        yeah but thats like 3 weeks of not buying food. which would inevitably mean death. For death I can have t... : osiris_brad
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          Can I have yours when you die? : surround
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            estate tax means you'll only get half : osiris_brad
            • Well then youd best give us it now before you die. : spdon
  • A full tank costs me 80 Euro. That is +/- $100. For one tank (Ford Mondeo). Stupid fucking dutch gove... : [7]kami
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  Update: Holy Fuck! : osiris_brad
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    inflation'd : tigeN
    • More like tryingtoabsorblossoncolsole's assholes : Boxelder
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  Since when didn't the default controllers for systems cost that much on release day? : cam3lt0sis
  • since EVER. wtf, I don't care if they charge $50, but don't rewrite console history. : aethyr

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• That's Krazi! : Sivart13
• KK used the PS3 they have to change the earth's gravity well to cause J Allard to take a dive : pebui

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  Dude, I'm a 26 year old with a fair amount of expendable cash who loves gaming, and there's no way I'm pa... : Conan
  • so you never buy a console on day 1? : marblehead
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    But your probably the guy that spends $499 on a video card... : Tripps
    • http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/aaliyah/areyouthatsomebody.html : jrock
    • Hell no. In fact, I just picked up a Geforce 6800, because with the 7000 series out now, they're actually... : Conan
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  As someone in the industry, I can tell you that almost no developers will use the HDD if it doesn't ship ... : ease_one
  • Well it would most likely be a case of if you do have a HDD then load time will be quicker and things lik... : ADoomedMarine
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    I was thinking more of ONE developer making a game that requires it, a AAA game that will sell, like Halo : exigence7
    • isnt this what sony did with final fantasy something? : ilem0n
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    Kind of like how no one developed Xbox Live stuff for their games because it wasnt standard on the Xbox r... : railchu
    • is there a way to laugh and say owned in the same word? : cam3lt0sis
• im a pc gamer and only bought an xbox1 for football games and that ms racer game. im glad i wont have to... : ilem0n

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• What was the last wireless mouse you tried? They have improved greatly. Also have you ever tried a wav... : Turd Ferguson
• You haven't played the small logitech wireless Xbox controller then, cause it's awesome and there is abso... : Dan 101
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  No the wireless controller is pure sex... trust me. It feels amazing - plus it can switch to be wired if ... : surround
  • this man speaks the truth, they're soooo nice and not sloppy. : Madwacker
  • 10$ says the switch to wired = still wireless but powered over the usb port. : abrasion
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  wow you must have the cheap kind, almost any wireless logitech mouse is great for gaming, and dont forget... : drabid
  • Now out uber'd by the G7 : Turd Ferguson
  • the mx1000 was not fun for playing cs for me. It's too heavy, doesn't slide well, and has some lag to it... : sigpro
• The difference is slight for desktop apps, and you forget about it after using a wireless for a while, bu... : spdon
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  Nintendo Wavebird. : smackpiece
  • I second that. : Chris Remo
• Wavebird for the win, dude. Best controller evar! : Zann
• The 2nd generation wireless logitech controllers for PS2 and XBOX are fantastic. As is the wavebird, onl... : Judecca
• I love my MX700. Remember when wireless mice were using IR? holy fuck that was bad. : TastyWheat
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  TOTAL MYTH. It's in your head, buddy. : deadbydawn
  • It would be nice if some engineers working on these various wireless devices would publish some specs on ... : DinK
• i'm a very happy owner of a logitech wireless rumblepad 2 and i can say it has ZERO lag or connection/int... : running wild

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• I'll give you $12.50 for both. : ShadeOGreen
• 15$ and you got a deal! : jonin
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  you only need 350 now because i still owe her 50 for last weekend : oneshot
  • plus interest : jonin

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• Europeans always get boned on prices for consumer electronics, DVDs, music. My family from the UK always ... : Serpico74
• You're not taking VAT into account. : koder

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• I wouldn't say I'm "upset" about it, but I'm definitely more confused about the decision behind #2. : CA Flynn
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  Mostly 1 and 2...I was really looking forward to having an XBox360, complete with a harddrive and a wirel... : Vincent Grayson
  • 2, i dont mind the 399 price but it not being standard and thus not used as it could be makes me sad =( : kelerian
• Disappointed most by #1 & #2. #3 is irrelevant since no one should believe anything pre-release from thes... : jrock
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  What promises? : Fred Garvin
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    Early on they claimed EVERY xbox 360 was going to have a Hard Drive and wireless networking. : baron calamity
    • Okay, can you show me a real quote from MS or is this just another internet rumor taken as fact? : Fred Garvin
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    I think he is referring to the rumors that it would be 299$ for a xbox360. But in the same retrospec, the... : X Fuzion
    • or that promise ... but remember there were no promises ever, it was all speculation. The fact that the H... : X Fuzion
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  I have no idea where you're implying with 3 and 4. Please explain. : filtersweep
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    #3 (and I'm repeating myself so forgive me) Early on (The MTV special and pre E3 speech) they claimed EVE... : baron calamity
    • actually, you are correct. I have that whole thing on my computer, and they did specifically say that all... : X Fuzion
• only #2. : moe6
• only 2 : malloc
• 2 : Visceral Monkey
• what about an option 5? no keyboard and mouse? id pay 100 for a keybaord and mouse for an xbox 360 : ilem0n
• 2 too, poo :( : nivorous
• #2 and #3 #3 related to the hard drive and component cables. There's a video on the Xbox 360 site with : DKo5
• News flash, most developers already ignored the hard drive even with it being standard on the Xbox. : railchu
• 4 : Boxelder
• 2 and 3 Since you lose the benefits of the HDD being standard, it in turn devalues it, making it not w... : shabadoosa
• None, this was all, expectd.... what promises.. wtf ? Developers will still develop with the HD in mind... : dilutedq
• How about $50 for a controller? $200 for 4? : royaljester
• I'd say #2 for sure. : pigvomit
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  #2 - developers were told to write their games w/o HDD support, which is just plain retarded. I guess on ... : Madwacker
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    Yeah, a lot of good features are going to get scrapped in games since only a portion of the market would ... : SeaLlama
    • I don't understand this statement. I can't think of any good game features that used the drive on the cur... : Mansmells
• $400 is fine. I just feel like the xbox platform has taken a big step backward by not making the hardriv... : mrtony
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  2 here also - looks like everyone here doesn't care about the price - just pissed off at the division of ... : abrasion
  • Yeah, I think the market segmentation is really what I'm most displeased about. I don't really care about... : Holesinswiss
  • 2 for the lose :( All of a sudden there is a lot of negative energy for the 360 here and from having a 6 ... : ihya
• 4 : mystifier

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  but what really pushed the arena of console gaming forward was the STANDARD hard disk. Has someone ill... : Holesinswiss
  • Well it also required xbox live, but downloading extra levels and things to a memory card fills it up fas... : theflux
  • Custom playlists! : schnitz76
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    IAWTP Modding your Xbox was probably the closest the hard drive came to having a killer app. What g... : Porkasaurus
    • Soul Calibur 2, to name a quick one. The loading screens were far quicker because of hard disk caching. ... : theflux

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  Yeah, if I'm going to spend big cash on this thing I'm going to wait for the HD-DVD version. : freshyk
  • That's another aspect. I don't have an HDTV yet. It's worth waiting for just because of that alone. : Vic Viper
  • Screw that, I'm waiting for the 8-track version \m/ : SeaLlama
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  There's one bundled with a samsung 23 inch lcd tv. That would make three as for the other two bundles we'... : brutal
  • I think the last two are unlockable. : sgtsanity

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  $20 for a rumble? NOT WORTH IT. Rumble is stupid and worthless. : osiris_brad
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    You have never played rallisport challenge 2. : abrasion
    • I <3 RSC2. God, I hope there's an RSC3 for the 360. : Holesinswiss
  • Rumble is an excellent method of feedback. Also, the 360 controller will have wireless voice for Live. : Fred Garvin
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  $200 for four-player wireless goodness? damn! : ermac
  • EXACTLY. it really starts to hurt when you add it up. : osiris_brad
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  I think you might find it worthwhile to pop open a controller with a rumble feature and behold the little... : taronish
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    exactly, and to whoever replied saying the controller will have voice support or some shit, then that's a... : grindking
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      I'd consider paying $450 for the fancy version, but $500 is a little steep. I think I'll wait and see if... : SenorSpine
      • Ack mis-reply'd : SenorSpine
    • the headset is wired and plugs into either the wired controller or the wireless one the only thing req... : Jayx77
    • Guess what? If you don't plan on using Live you don't need a headset. : Fred Garvin
• the controllers are hybrid corded/cordless, recharchable, and feature rumble the wavebird has no rumbl... : Jayx77
• The Logitech wireless (current, not 1st get) controllers are expensive as well, but so worth it. : Judecca

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  I am so with this post. $450 for the good X360 plus Oblivion, guaranteed to fly out of my wallet later th... : DinK
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    You mean $459.98 + tax ($399.99 + $59.99). Don't fall for the marketing ploy. : kruel
    • The marketing ploy of me oversimplifying numbers? OK, so then let me say that I may be spending (or aski... : DinK
• Oblivion is all that matters. : Judecca

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  Thats not any different than buying a wireless controller for the Xbox right now though. The Logitech ("g... : railchu
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    well that's probably why i never picked a logitech wireless up. i almost didn't get a wavebird at the ... : pyide
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      $35 for a controller is outrageous? A single game is $50. : edgewise
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        soon to be $60+, so what? two different beasts. i'm a cheap bastard. i won't buy a $500+ video card o : pyide
        • ^^^ >:( - it's a bitch because I can't use my xbox 1 controllers on the xbox 360 and I have THREE of t... : abrasion
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    i got mine for 39.99 at walmart : sigpro
    • when it first came out? : byorn
  • 49.99 CDN at bestbuy.com, it was on sale. : Dan 101
• hmm new game? or controller? : jonin
• The logitech is $39.99 new and yes $50 is a lot for a controller period! If you price out the pimp syste... : briaooon9

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• Resident Evil 5! : jvox
• Oblivion! Will also be on PC of course, but even a couple months from now, the price of getting Oblivion... : DinK

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  Part of me wants to say fuck users who want a hard drive but won't pay for one; another part says fuck MS... : EvilDolemite
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    yeah, why in the hell MS wants to split the user fan base is beyond me. Now if a game requires the HD to... : crinos
    • nm, guess u can buy the HD's seperately :) : crinos
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    I am really surprised that they couldn't meet the $299 price with the HDD included. Either the custom ... : Torgo
    • I think they could have met the 299$ price, they just decided not too. They know they have some time bef... : jonin
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  I'm willing to bet the farm that Microsoft HATES the fact that the Xbox 1 has a hard drive. They're losi... : kruel
  • One strategy that might make sense is for MSFT to drop the core system when the PS3 comes out and selling... : Torgo

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• ^^ I think this is the main concern many of us should have. I want to believe that they have thought abo... : FrayLo
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  Actually, unlike every comment about this that I've read, I feel exactly the opposite. I am completely t... : jforman
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    So what happens when Halo 3 gets released and has a weapon patch? Since both versions can play on live, ... : DakkaUT
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      Very interesting question. I think one of the most important to know in all of this. : Tincan
      • maybe MS has handed out a "no patching" decree. Doubtful but indeed possible. : Degenerate
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      Perhaps every time you log on to play a Live game it applies the patch to RAM and only lasts for that ses... : EvilDolemite
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        This could work for small things. And it would bother the average user just enough to sell more HDD units... : Lethal01
        • Well, if the patch is tiny, like say, damage and spread pattern on 3 weapons, it could be applied almost ... : EvilDolemite
      • patent the idea and sell it! : yqbd
    • I haven't owned a console since ps1, but what is this i'm hearing? PATCHES for consoles?! hahaha, I thoug... : techx4
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    I'm a game developer, let me pose this possibility. There is a MMORPG that requires the HD, say Final Fa... : royaljester
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      that's a big problem though. I've sat in so many meetings where the marketing people will say "oh, we ca... : mrtony
      • Well, games are also very hype driven. If games can truly be made better by using the hard drive, then ev... : tigeN
• http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=10581172 This makes a lot of sense. Since the HDD was always intende... : Degenerate
• http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=10581121 : c_man_tmt

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• Heh, there it is. Also the wireless controller part right underneath the HDD quote. # A wireless cont : cyb0rgninja
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  So what are you saying? They betrayed you? Did they somehow rip you off? : nomaad
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    They lied, straight the fuck up - hence pissed off people. : abrasion
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      its not like it says its included in the box when you buy it, you open it, and its not there... they are... : Jayx77
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        if Ken Kutaragi would have said a similar statement, everyone on here would be shitting themselves, yet i... : grindking
        • sony has repeatedly backtracked on their prelaunch promises... I remember the PS2 was supposed to cook y... : Jayx77
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          That's bullshit - we give Ken shit because he makes stupid comments Now we're giving Microsoft shit bec... : abrasion
          • Agreed. Most people give microsoft as much crap over buggy and broken things in windows as they do over k... : spdon
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          Oh for fuck's sake they have been saying for months that devs shouldn't count on the drive being there. W... : Fred Garvin
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            Yes, exactly. : abrasion
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              your just pissed you were wrong :) http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=10537878 : Silent Wolf
              • I was just listening to that crazy carnivac guy! : abrasion

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• 25 hrs : phobium
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  http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/peripheralsfactsheet.htm the Xbox 360 Wireless Controller lets you e : railchu
  • The up-to-40 hours statement would most likely be with rumble turned off, and the headset/memory slot dis... : Dusty_Slim

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  I wonder how any of those 3rd party developers signed on thinking the HD would be on all 360's.... : jonin
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    They've probably known it wasn't that way all along, you forget they're in the loop more than the public. : CaptCommie
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      it's been in the TCR for a while that you can't require a hard drive. : freshview
      • Exactly, thing is, a hard drive isn't 100% necessary for fast load times on games. Take a look at the Ga... : CaptCommie
• damn poor people screwed it up for the rest of us. >:( : mrtony
• I don't think it really matters. They'll offer extra features for the hard drive people, and eventually p... : tigeN

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• Fine then! : Judecca

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  Bethesda posted on their forums that the HD is not required for Oblivion, : jonin
  • A game with graphics like that and a world that big not using a clever caching system to the hard disk,..... : abrasion
• didnt they say that they had partnered with a leading flash memory company? It might be possible that ev... : Jayx77

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• i'd like to know this too. paging chris remo!!!! STAT!!! : hirez
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  Has DVI or VGA even been confirmed? What are they going to cost? The $299 console should come with com... : kevp
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    VGA is confirmed and is in the price list. HDMI/DVI is something they are looking at 'when it makes sens... : Carnivac
    • i personally am glad that VGA is confirmed. I don't have a HDTV, but I do have a monitor :p. Will be even... : moe6
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      fuck fuck fuck fuck One cable would be so much easier than 5, and my component cable inputs are alread ... : Turd Ferguson
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        get a switcher. : edgewise
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          Any recommendation on brands/models for hi-def media switches? I'm going to need one as my TV only has on... : Holesinswiss
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            Audio Authority 1154A 4:1 component+optical audio switcher : railchu
            • Thanks for that suggestion, I'll remember it if I need a component switcher. : angrytaxman
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    Check what accessories came with your graphics card. I seem to have two VGA->DVI converters, so I'm happy... : hardfl1p
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      will that be as good as a straight DVI connect though? i.e. 100% digital or will there be a digital -> an... : edgewise
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        Can't say I know - haven't tried it with any of the existing consoles. I'd imagine if it's not that great... : hardfl1p
        • it cant be all digital with component in the mix considering component is an analog signal. : themelon
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      those dvi-vga adaptors will do you no good. They are adaptors not convertors. All they do is adapt the ... : themelon
      • IAWTM : rosewood

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• just comes with a component cable looks like, luckily my Dell 2405FPW has component-in as well as a whole... : pebui

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• Why does the hard drive look like a maxi-pad? : Vic Viper
• pimp'd : madtothemax
• No power cable needed ... or the power brick was too big to fit in the picture. Snap! Xbox 360 power bric... : jake2000

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  It's already been confirmed that's correct. : abrasion
  • ahh ok, Didn't know that yet. : jonin

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• You might want to read that again. Thats 100$ for 20gb hd, a wireless controller, a headset (wireless... : nosseman

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  xfx 7800gt is already $399 : Commee
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    Uhh, where? : Judecca
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      $389, free S&H: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=321029&affiliate=pricegrabber : Commee
      • Good deal. Most places have it for significantly more. : Judecca
• Yea, for me its still cheaper to get an xbox 360, rather than upgrading my pc. : broly1718
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  or... you could compare apples with apples. : mystifier
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    It's close enough. Both are purchases allowing you to play new games with high-quality graphics. For mo... : Chris Remo
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      I agree. My friend is pissed when he can't play things on his Athlon 700 with a Geforce 3. Yet he can... : Judecca
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        You probably could play 95% of all new pc games on that system. The problem is a few big name games can't... : baron calamity
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          therefore your 95% remark is kinda worthless. sure it can play 95% of games, but 85% of people want to pl... : edgewise
          • Holy crap that's a high school math word problem waiting to happen. : jake2000
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        Uh, if you saw new consoles released every six months you'd have the same situation in that gaming market... : jrock
        • er obsoletion/obsolescence =P : jrock
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          I'm not saying I don't want new hardware. My PC is generally well upgraded, because I can afford to do s... : Judecca
          • Most other people I know, do not upgrade. But they still want to play current games. Well, tough cooki : jrock
      • If you're smart you can have both. I upgraded in September of 2003 and have since only added a video car... : EvilDolemite
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      As close as tennis to hockey. What you're saying is that someone who can't afford skates and pads will bu... : Commee
      • This is a good analogy. : vitek r
      • A good analogy and one that is traditionally true, but is becoming less and less so as console games (Xbo... : Chris Remo
    • I disagree. Having a nice graphics card doesn't allow me to play the next gen Ninja Gaiden, Kingdom Unde... : Sexpansion Pack
  • http://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume1/v1i3/air-1-3-apples.html : Kentor
• "one day" meaning "long before the 360 hits the shelves". : jrock
• I already have a GTX. No plans on a 360 for at least a year. : Vic Viper

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  Hacking the Xbox was only possible due to 3 bugs hidden in 512 bytes of code. Otherwise, the Xbox would h... : johnsto
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    They've learned from XBMC that gamers like playing music and videos on their Xbox over the TV. The conclu... : jake2000
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      If even one person buy's J Allard's fucking $2 virtual rims, I'll stab myself in the brain. : Chris Remo
      • If I ever make that apostrophe mistake again I will stab myself in brain twice. : Chris Remo
      • Nobody wants a 2 dollar "virtual rim" from J Allard. Rated M for mature. : jake2000
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      Why shouldn't you be charged to download a song or TV show to your 360? If you download that without get... : ColoradoCNC
      • No that's true. I don't mind paying for that sort of stuff (though I really hate the business model iTune : jake2000
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    There's never been a console that couldn't be hacked. I would think that the more features that get added... : Carfaz11
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      But they get more complex all the time, and of course, this one uses even more custom hardware and chips.... : johnsto
      • You're all forgetting one good case, the PS2. It took over 2 years to get modchips to work seemlessly ... : moe6

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• Also, everybody bitching about the HDD not in the standard unit, listen to this: http://www.majornelson.... : nomaad

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  Gears of War is a known 2006 title I think, unfortunately. I'm not hung up on the launch titles too much. : Holesinswiss
  • I just want a few good titles to play with right off the bat. I'd hate to have it collecting dust for 6 m... : TorValdeZ
• Its alot better than getting those Gamestop/EB bundles forced on you at launch, thats for sure. All that... : railchu
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  Quake 4 with a joystick is like painting with a salami. : Boxelder
  • YOU PAINT WITH SALAMI TOO! : X Fuzion
  • Quake 4 with a joystick is like painting with a salami. I've had fun with Halo 1 & 2, Doom3 and other ... : TorValdeZ

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  How is that a big deal? Yeah, an extra ten bucks sucks...but we've been paying the same price for games f... : Vincent Grayson
  • Yeah, but the market has gotten bigger as time as gone on. : kek
  • You have NO clue about software business. Games should be alot less than $49.99 They should be around ... : INOALL

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• Should be done by ram now i think. Later on as developers get better with the system, games might become... : broly1718

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  god, I swear you work for Microsoft Promotions (that or teamxbox website...) : kevp
  • yeah ...... i agree. - I was (and still am) looking forward to the 360, but I know when shit's being sho... : abrasion
  • well its true. I would have bought the remote and headset anyway. I eagerly anticipate being able to lean... : Degenerate
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    What ever dude, this package is going to save me a bunch of money in stuff that ai would have gotten anyw... : Dan 101
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      That should have come with it at the stock base price... : abrasion
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        Everything should come with system x at base price, shouldn't it? I don't know of a product on earth that... : Holesinswiss
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          Who cares if the core system is a monster? - the gamers want games. A hard disk can do a hell of a lot... : abrasion
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            Believe me, I'm on the HDD bandwagon, but seemingly with less enthusiasm than most of the folks here. ... : Holesinswiss
            • And they can still use the HDD as cache, just like with the current XBox. Now they just have to make sur... : Wiseblood79

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  And maybe, when you're 30 years old you'll realize that complaining about a company you cannot control do... : TotalFusionOne
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    Oh what? did I say that I thought I could change the world with my post? And I know what MS is push... : ease_one
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      Oh gee, a dev kit is faulty. Puhluuuheeezz, if I had a dollar for every dev kit I saw die over the years ... : Fred Garvin
      • Oh I was not trying to make a point about the quality of anything. I was just trying to get the point ac... : ease_one
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  1) There are no less than 5 MMO's I know about in development for the Xbox 360. There are also MMO's in d... : Porkasaurus
  • according to that interview with Moore someone posted earlier, the big reason for the cheaper version (i.... : edgewise
  • but I'm guessing these MMOs would have to be somewhat restricted in terms of having dynamic content and s... : mrtony
• Yep, Xbox 1 pioneer'd this and sure it wasn't used to it's full advantage - but people stated to and it w... : abrasion