Quake III Source GPL'ed Within a Week

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  Apparently he didn't :( http://www.filerush.com/download.php?target=QuakeCon2005%20idSoftware%20Presen... : rorshack
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    What's an .nsv file? : capt tripps
    • nullsoft video, play in winamp : rorshack
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    any player thats' not crosss platform sucks ass... f'ing Winamp : dumptruck
    • I agree, I don't even have winamp video installed (win 2.9x is the last winamp for me), but hey.. at leas... : rorshack
    • You can play .nsv with mplayer. : roggor
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    I get half way thourght the idpresentation and the sound cuts out and i dont get any sound on the quake4q... : peetabix01
    • The sound comes back shortly. : thesubtlesnake
  • Thats the wrong link. http://www.filerush.com/download.php?target=QuakeConCarmackKeynote.zip : koder

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• They're still copyrighted. This is just so people can create new executables under GPL. : rorshack

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  Thanks Chris - did nayone record the Carmack keynote? Would love to hear it. : dumptruck
  • I took pages of notes but unfortunately didn't have a recorder :( : Chris Remo
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    I recorded the entire id "block" today including Carmack's Keynote. I'm not going to post a direct li... : ateam311
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      Also, here's the full list of notes that I took during the presentation/keynote. I haven't gotten a chanc... : ateam311
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        he really railed on x360, and still preferred it over sony. ouch. was he really at all happy with eithe... : ermac
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          He's not even happy about going down the whole "parallel programming route", especially after all the wor : ateam311
          • Doom 4 on revolution with almost pc like percision, you heard it here first! : drabid
          • parallel programming is extremely difficult. Debugging it is hell. One of the reasons for the failure of ... : xvdl
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        so why does John drive the SUV and not the sports car!? : Postal
        • He prefers generalized algorithms. : sgtsanity
        • Because he needs a large car to be able to carry around all his rocket stuff, apparently. : Chris Remo
    • thanks! - too bad I can't install Bit torrent clients at work :( : dumptruck
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      Thank you! However, no one is seeding the Carmack Keynote torrent. : Kennel
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        We're fixing it now. Thanks for telling me. : ateam311
        • Fixed. Enjoy. : ateam311
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      Thanks for the videos. : strider
      • Hey, no problem. : ateam311
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  Thanks for doing so, new guy. :( : tomservo
  • He's new but he's cool right guys? Also a warm thank you for posting this stuff so quickly. : Amnesty_intl2
• Thanks for both of you. : broly1718
• Chris, you are very professional and I am favorably impressed. I'm also very pleased that you did get to... : sHugamom

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• http://www.3drealms.com/news/2003/04/duke_nukem_3d_s_4.html are you sure? : crowly767
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  I dont think carmack is the kind of person that would really take thinly veiled jabs at anyone. If its a ... : scatti
  • I also think he'd be more direct. I've seen he talking both good and bad stuff about a lot of companies/p... : rorshack
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  He's probably refering to people who have built things off of his code. : radiopayola
  • Yes, after listening to him talk about it on the video it's quite clear he's referring to people who use ... : thesubtlesnake

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  I did my own research by watching the video. The poster of the video had some notes that said Punkbuster ... : r_picmip 5
  • Thanks, I appreciate it :) : crummynz

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  I was at the talk yesterday, and it sounded like the plan was to have Q3 and the toolchain both ready to ... : starkcode
  • Beautiful. Maybe I'll start tinkering again... : ydnar

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  Jesus fuck, no more bloom please. kthx : deveus1
  • ^This man knows what he is talking about. : Speedy8
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  You do know that Bloom is just faked HDR, right? : sgtsanity
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    Bloom has got very little to do with HDR... : SlamDunk
    • Bloom is an attempt to fake HDR's ability to have out-of-bound lighting bleed over into adjacent pixels. ... : sgtsanity
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  Wait 4 months. Buy Quake IV. : jake
  • He doesn't need to buy it. He can get worked at it right now. THAT'S RIGHT I''M CALLING YOU OUT BYSH CAUS... : 00kewk00
• How bout a Zerstorer like game made on top of this? : driller
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  I was hoping for betta physics, ala' havok or the like. and maybe a tricked-out DX9 gore mod. : dawurz
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    Don't think there is a free equivalent to Havok. And DX9? Q3 is an OpenGL engine. : Judecca
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      No free Havok? Who cares. DX9 - oops....nifty refracted water when someone is swimming in it would be n... : dawurz
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        You can do that without DX9 - microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on shader support. : Conan
        • No kidding. : dawurz
    • There isn't anything as polished as Havok (well, at least as polished as I imagine it to be...) but there... : ThomW
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  you forgot LENS FLARE!! : shacktool
  • And a WW2 theme!!! : TastyWheat
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  How could you forget the take-10x-more-time-to-do-anything normal maps? : rorshack
  • Thanks to Zbrush it only takes 2x now =) : mikage
• Don't forget bump mapping support in the shader system and DOOM3 (or at least Tenebrae) style lighting! : Vorlonesque

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  Is this a surprise? Valve built Half-Life on Quake 1 and a bit of Quake 2. Half-Life 2 undoubtably reus... : Barbarian
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    Maybe they should have done that before arguing that it was a straight new engine done from scratch. : rorshack
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      I can't believe i'm defending valve on this, but they never said it was done from scratch. The closest t... : dilutedq
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        'It's a totally new engine with brand new technology.' They said it... It's easy to make the above se... : radiopayola
        • Citation, please. : sgtsanity
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          No, it doesn't. I don't know a single company out there that doesn't use their previous tech to some exte... : Fred Garvin
          • Yup, vector math stays the same no matter how old it is :) : johnsto
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            Exactly - they don't need to. Some stuff don't need to be redone. That's my point. But this means it's st... : rorshack
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              but most of the tech seems to be new so it's their "source engine". i fully agree with what Fred Garvin s... : lonestar3
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                It's their. 100% new? No, so why say it is in a way every fanbody will repeat it on cue? That's my point. : rorshack
                • I bet there is Quake code in the Doom 3 engine. I bet there is Neverwinter code in the Jade Empire engine... : Fred Garvin

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• This is really really cool! Today keeps getting better and better (even though I knew about the Q3Source... : Vorlonesque

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• Is it something that can't be done with a mod? : Maddog_Delphi97

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  but valve did release their source code... : 60days
  • their SOURCE code ;) : matthaeus

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• by this same rule, your implementation is better than some other poor sod, so if you're in competition wi... : xvdl
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  While I think it's awesome that carmack is releasing the source for free, I think the general idea of ope... : dilutedq
  • Some of the best, and most widely used, software on the internet is open source. I am not sure "joke" is... : SqueegyTBS
• Yeah, I'm a BSD kind of guy too. The GPL actually annoys me and generally keeps me away from source that ... : maddy

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• i'm not sure where you're going with this..but i like it! : ermac
• You can still sell it but you have to include the changes you've made to the source. The game doesn't hav... : freshyk
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  In the first 5 words, you've managed to get wrong what open source is about. : Phreakin
  • ...because no companies hire people to work on open source projects? : maddy
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  I don't think he was asking for the game to be released free. Just that you release the source code on... : mittense
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    Yeah exactly, once id takes it open source he requests people keep it that way. : Chris Remo
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      Doesn't the GPL require this? (Assuming they use the downloaded source and not a license from id.) : dmason
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        Yep, the GPL is what you could call a "viral license" in that any derivative works must also be licensed ... : sgtsanity
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          Art and level design and stuff isn't a "derivative work" though, and doesn't have to be GPL'd. If you ... : cameljoe
          • Ahh, I see. : dmason
• He didn't say anything about art assets and he didn't say to release it for free. gg : vigilante
• Costs nothing - How does it cost nothing? : dawurz

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  hi ignore me ..mmmmm k? : IcomeINpeace
  • Always : CRasterImage

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• he was working on it until the supreme court ruled in favor of sco for opengl copywrite violations and se... : ChickenBreath
• His con-artist x-wife stole the source and sold it to China.. Sorry. : radiopayola
• Will it also mow my lawn and give me a blow job? : CRasterImage

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• dude isnt that Q3 on the HL2 engine?! : crummynz

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  at least we'd have more great games to play. : Pneum0
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    So long as the Carmack clones don't hamstring their designers with arbitrary rules on simplicity in the g... : Serpico74
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      Matter of opinion. I've had more fun with Q2 and Q3 than any other games released in the past... ever rea... : Silent Bob
      • It is a matter of opinion I suppose. None of their games since Quake have registered as anywhere close to... : Serpico74
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    How so? An engine doesn't make a game great, it's just a tool. : Fred Garvin
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      I think it's the willingness to share with others and to foster the development of the genre/industry tha... : capt tripps
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        Well, contrary to opinion on the Shack lots of programmers share insights. They write papers, books, make... : Fred Garvin
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          The Q3 engine is better than alot of the stuff on the shelves right now. Not necessarily your AAA titles... : capt tripps
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            How is the Q3 engine better than what's out there now? Unless they are releasing all the rendering, scrip... : Fred Garvin
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              Oh, and like I mentioned other programmers do all the things you mentioned as well. Carmack just gets a l... : Fred Garvin
              • Q3 is a pretty high profile property, and it's not the first time he's done this. He's gone out of hiw w... : capt tripps

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  heck some people have modded the quake 1 sorce to have features from doom 3, now all we need is a team wh... : drabid
  • True, some spectacular Q1 engine enhancements are out there. There's more fun to be had playing recent Q... : ornee
  • I feel your pain man. I tried for years to get something off the ground with online teams. Its such a lon... : scatti

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  Agree. I think thats why people still listen to what he has to say nowdays. : hippolove
  • I think he's a smart guy, and I like listening to his talks because he has some well thought out oppinion... : SpaecKow
• Not really. Carmack's admirable in many ways--not least for his humanism, on display over the years in h... : ornee

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• Who pissed in your cornflakes? : CRasterImage
• You know Carmack has ideas that the rest of id doesn't agree with sometimes. : vigilante
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  Id only has so many man-hours, and for their talent it would be the most efficient use to make the best g... : geedeck
  • how does the GPL slow down development? : xvdl
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  uh, because they've got other projects that they're working on? what was your point? : cameljoe
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    my point is that if it is such a good idea, id should do it. It doesn't take any additional time to G... : xvdl
    • because they are the 'top of the food chain' for potential projects like that, and those suggested projec... : eskimo spy
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      Nah, it's a bandwidth issue. And besides, we already have an id budget game: Doom 3. : dawurz
      • What? : bundy
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        bandwidth issue? WTF are you talking about? : xvdl
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          Throughput might be a better term. They can only produce X amount in Y time, and X is rather limited due... : Arcanum
          • Thank you. : dawurz
• lol this comments section is like "'instant hostility and trolling, just add the name 'Carmack'" ... : eskimo spy
• what you are saying makes no sense at all. Idsoft has ALREADY released a game using the quake3arena code ... : shacktool

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• Yeah, but at least art assets are the "simplest" to produce : geedeck

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  When John eventually leaves id Software, who is going to take his place? Someone from within id? I am gue... : MatthewPhillips
  • I think id is an exception and if Carmack left they'd exist in name only. He's an exceptional programmer ... : Fred Garvin

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• People are using the enemy territory engine to do pretty much that already, however this does indeed mean... : TimeDoctor