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  It looks like IE6 with tabs. : Fred Garvin
  • ^^ : gegtik
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  Looks like firefox, but uglier. : Moonraker7
  • I assume it will be skinnable. : Fred Garvin
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  Looks poorly customed with the toolbars where they are. Beta should drop this week. : mojoald
  • an article at activewin says August 3. Same day for Longhorn. : johnny skidmarks
• Oh well. *Keeps using Firefox* : TastyWheat
• looks like I wont be going back to IE anytime soon : cap n KRUNCH
• Looks fine to me, I'm looking forward to it. : thief
• Oh, and Longhorn is now officially Windows Vista http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex... : ColoradoCNC
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  the menu's will presumably be movable and customisable. shouldn't look that weird. it will still su... : flibble2k
  • *click* OH MY GOD YOU ARE DOWNLOADING A FILE! YOU COULD GET HACKED! ARE YOU OK??!!! *click, yes ffs* *TYP... : TastyWheat
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  And how does it look significantly different than firefox? Hell, it doesn't look much different than a... : Ebu
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    It's bad because it's Microsoft. : Fred Garvin
    • I know, right? I'm really getting sick of that attitude. I'm by no means their biggest fan, but hate f... : Ebu
• Looks the same to me, except with tabs and all. : tomservo
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  mmm tabs. assuming it doesn't have horrific popups I'll gladly switch back to IE from the resource and bu... : lord cecil
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    says i'm using 72 megs of memory, with 10 tabs open to lastestchatty.x (flash on those pages). : Nighthavvk
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      Dear Park build from 2 days ago 2 tabs open (latest chatty and BF2 stats from bf2.shackbattles.com) Ram... : johnny skidmarks
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        ... you're trying to make your arguement using ALPHA software? : fatman
        • BTW: Deep Park Alpha 2, two tabs, 41MB used : fatman
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          Well, considering his experience is in line with mine, and I'm using the current release version, I'd say... : Ebu
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            how can you hold Firefox 1.x accountable for what's happening with Deer Park? This makes no sense. And... : fatman
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              FireFox has always been a ram pig. Its been one of the biggest complaints about it for a very long time. : johnny skidmarks
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                that's fine. its not something I've ever witnessed. But using anecdotal "evidence" from its alpha level s... : fatman
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                  It been this way since the phoenix/firebird days. Its not like Deer Park is the first iteration of the br... : johnny skidmarks
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                    What I'm trying to say is: Using.... you know what? Fuck it. I'm too tired to continue this. : fatman
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                      I know what you are saying. What Im saying is it doesnt matter that Im using Deer Park because I've notic... : johnny skidmarks
                      • ya my firefox 1.06 is essentially the same ram usage at times (a lot) as my old Firebird .82 beta from a ... : armybob
            • I'm a big firefox fan and been using it for over a year because it's a good browser with a lot of functio... : armybob
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          Well, this threaded started over a comment about almost BETA software... : jake
          • which is/was my point all along. Why are you guys jumping so fast to judge a product based on its beta... : fatman
    • 88mb used, 1 tab to chatty : Ebu
    • 43meg used, four tabs to different sites, using Maxthon. : walker270
    • ooo 105 meg and 3 tabs. one being latest chatty and two being notes for a final I have tomorrow. Yeah, it... : lord cecil
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    Open the same pages in IE. I bet it'll use more memory. Does for me with 3 tabs: Firefox.exe 68... : nudel
    • The problem is FF doesnt release memory properly. The ram usage just continues to grow, and soon FF will ... : johnny skidmarks
  • yay, another browser to code different for!! fuk. : adev
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  If that menu bar is between the tabs and content by default I'd be surprised. Tabs should be attached to ... : Piotyr
  • Yeah... it looks to me like this person messed with the config. I don't really think Windows Vista or ... : dmason
  • The menubar is indeed located below the tabs, and at least in the build I used, is not moveable. Microsof... : Conan
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  Heh. Netscape and Opera are up to 8. Silly MS. No browser updates for what, 2.5-3 years, and they don'... : Dechter
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    Match them how? Feature wise or are you judging by one cropped screenshot? : Fred Garvin
    • No, I mean match version numbers. This is all about marketing and if Joe Mouseclick sees Netscape 8 and : Dechter
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    Nutscrape also skipped versions #'s to catchup : cncpun
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      wasn't 4 and 6 available at the same time, and 4 was a non-bloated version? or am I misremembering? : captfarrell
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        4 was an awesome browser. 6 was crap. : Morgin
        • 4 was when Netscape hit the shitter, imho. Version 2 and 3 were tight. : johnny skidmarks
  • IE360 ' D : SilverSnake
• maxthon'd? now that's one fucked up UI. : xphil

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  this looks pretty darn good.. can you hook it up so that some sort of hot-key combo makes the console dro... : El Tigre
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    wha happen to upload :( : r1cola
    • its fixed (was moved to a new web server and default docs was not setup correctly) thx for the heads-up : El Tigre
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  does tilde bring down the console? : batkiwi
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    Normally the window should come down from the top of the screen when you hit the win+` keys but qconsol... : vigilante
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      The -nowinkey thing isn't working for me. :( : slax0r
      • Oh wait, I figured it out. :P : slax0r
    • Oh man this is awesome. I'm constantly typing Win+R cmd <enter>, this is going to save me so much time... : reethaxor
    • This rocks, dude. But alas, with danish keyboard layout, i need to press shift to get the `. Is it per... : bundy
    • "those of us that keep the taskbar up top where it belongs" DEVIANTS!!! (Though I've got a docked t... : nudel
• wow that's awesome. : thekidd
• Really cool, great job. : kbufo
• This is freaking HOT. : DKo5
• This is some cool shit, works very well. : SiW73
• I WILL make this for mac. : Yanks
• this rules : sexninja!!!!
• This is absolutely awesome. Thanks! : Syixxs
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  Every once and a while when I pull it down, it'll move the window I have open all the way up, and never p... : Bantis
  • yes! it's um.. odd. the only way i can get the console to come down is to click on the console tray ic... : flibble2k
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    Looks like it slide up whatever window has focus. So you have to be careful with it, or you will slide u... : GeorgeB3DR
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      Yea, sometimes it does that, but other times I can have a window in focus and it'll slide fine. : Bantis
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        It seems that it'll slide up any window I have in focus. : Judicus
        • Playing around with the .au3 file, I've got it fixed ( http://members.shaw.ca/Judicus/4dashack/qconsolepr... : Judicus
• Wow, that's awesome. Totally going in Startup. : okaria
• rock on two of these would be awesome (for wide screens like 1920) backtick for one and something els... : synack
• ok.. this is fucking sweet. installed! :D : Shadowdane
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  Is there a way to get this to fit on 1680x1050 resolution? : dysphoria
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    I'm wondering this myself. Every tweak value I try seems to make it smaller, for some unknown reason. : Syixxs
    • Yeah, same here. The highest value I could use was 210. : dysphoria
    • Read the part in the notes.txt about setting a smaller font. Do it. : zakk
  • if you increase the font size a bit, that will do it. For my 1600x1200, I did 198 columns, font size 1... : s2jason
• Funny, I've desired this as well. Many thanks. :D : dmason
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  I can't get this to work properly :( The console window doesn't stretch all the way across the screen ... : evildanish
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    Are you using Windows Key + ` ? : dmason
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      Maybe I should try harder before I start crying. Thing is, there is no `-key on a DK keyboard - it's a sh... : evildanish
      • Cool beans. I can't get it to be the proper width on my PC either though... =\ : dmason
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  doesn't stretch across the whole screen for me :( (1280x1024) : OrkO
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    I have the same problem with 1024x. Even if I change the columns specifier it doesn't work. : Grapenthin
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      same here, somethingabout duel monitors perhaps : eyegeegeewhy
      • Nope. Me: 1 Monitor : Grapenthin
• now do the same for putty! : yqbd
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  Update: http://stuff.jones-brothers.com/qconsole_test.zip Hopefully this fixes some problems. I'm gonna... : vigilante
  • Cool - thanks : Sylvanus
  • still not returning focus for me. (using the top configuration) : h0mew0rld
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  Despite being fairly smart (I thought), I cannot figure out htfh to get this thing to work. I downloaded... : ezkilla2
  • just hit properties for the qcmd.lnk file and edit the target and start dir. the link file wasn't meant f... : h0mew0rld
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    im getting the same prob as you.. just brings up a cmd.exe window in that directory and when i try to run... : khroma
    • keeps saying: Problem Running: console.exe : khroma
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  Have you modified the console source? Will you release the changes? : sirkne
  • No I haven't modified the console source but the source for qconsole is included. I don't care what you ... : vigilante

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  Try getting WPA encryption working.. : abrasion
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    Haha, I tired this last night on my Dell 700m (with the 2200bg, which is buggy as all hell in the first p... : bricolage
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      Yep I know (btw my 2200 was buggy in XP - they fixed it!) - see my post history. Some dude here clai... : abrasion
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        Jesus, I hope so. I don't mind getting "under the hood" of linux a bit, but shit like that makes me remem... : bricolage
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          Well the issues with the 2200 in WINDOWS are annoying - long story short - I was thoroughly convinced (fr... : abrasion
          • I was surprised when I didn't have any problems with mine, after all I've heard about it being such a shi... : bricolage
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  So you work in both an OS X and Linux environment. What are the main similiarities? What are the main d... : wunderbred
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    OS X is way more consistent. Since it runs on just a couple pieces of hardware, it pretty much always wo... : cameljoe
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      link to my current desktop: http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2058/screenshot5vf.png I like gnome a : cameljoe
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        where'd you get that scarlett johansson's boobies pic? : dodob
        • http://www.bongonews.com/layout1.php?event=1576 : freshyk
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      as a sidenote, Linux is about to lose the 'it'll run windows games' advantage over OSX : Toraz Chryx
      • Yeah, that's probably true. Can't wait. : cameljoe
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  btw, anyone running RAID-5 on *nix? Any good? If I had four 200 gig hard drives, how much space would I... : cameljoe
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    I've got hardware raid 5 on my linux box and it's fine. Not tried s/w raid though. : jcupitt
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      Could you answer my questions? :-) : cameljoe
      • hehe, oops, speed == same as no raid5, space, you loose one drive of your set ... I have 1.2TB of raw cap... : jcupitt
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    You'd have 600 gigs. And yes, you generally just have to 'stick anohter one in' and it fixes it. Depen... : zakk
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      There aren't diagnostics that will alert me? :( : cameljoe
      • depends on the raid, sometimes it's lights on the box, sometimes it'll send you a mail, often both : jcupitt
    • There aren't diagnostics that will alert me? :( : cameljoe
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  You've named more audio packages than i've even ever heard of. Just use alsa, and emulate OSS support if ... : qwpeoriu
  • I'm actually glad I don't have flash support. :) It's not a dealbreaker for me luckily. I think the nex... : cameljoe
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  Can you recommend a good wireless nic that will run on your distro out of the box? That's probably the bi... : Delithio
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    I can't. :( I just bought a D-Link DWL-G520 which was supposed to work out of the box (maybe it doe... : cameljoe
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      Hmm.. I'm using a DWL-122 (It's an old wireless that uses the usb connection). So I assume there's a 0% c... : Delithio
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        Download the live CD. If everything works, then you're good to go. : cameljoe
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          Very true. I just saw that looking around. I thought Knoppix was the only distro that did that. : Delithio
          • Nah, there's gentoo, mepis, ubuntu... probably others that do live cds. : cameljoe
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  I just don't like the Linux UI... KDE nor GNOME do it for me. Samething with OSX, I like OSX but there ar... : mojoald
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    I've gone from KDE to Gnome to Openbox to Fluxbox and back to KDE. They all suck, but I find KDE to be th... : dmason
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      Either of you guys try Enlightenemnt? My personal favorite. E16 is great, and E17 looks to be amazing. : dilutedq
      • Looks nice. I'll try it out later tonight. : dmason
• I think Ubuntu is great, and I'd certainly recommend it to people looking to install Linux for the first : maddy
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  Question, how are drivers handled in linux now? I ran a debian box for a few years and got pretty fluent ... : armybob
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    Sound isn't a problem if you're using a sound card that doesn't suck, apparently. I'm using the nvidia o... : cameljoe
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      does current builds of linux actually auto detect and install the proper drivers for it now? Say I plugge... : armybob
      • It probably depends on if the company released linux drivers or released hardware specs so that people co... : cameljoe
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  Once you can do these with a default installation... - Play DVD Movies - Rip / Mix / Burn MP3 - Play... : dmason
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    That will never happen though because it's illegal to include (by default) dvd and mp3 libraries. And le... : cameljoe
    • What if it were deployed from a Sweedish server? : dmason
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      Would it be illegal to include LAME? Is that because they make money from the distro or something? : nudel
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        Yes, LAME, MPlayer etc. all are of dubious legality. Easy to add later, of course (except MPlayer which d... : jcupitt
        • What needs to happen is (if legal) a link on the desktop that says, "install the rest of the software tha... : cameljoe
    • It's not illegal, they just need to license them :P : d fluke
  • I agree, we NEED to be able to play all our media (movies / mp3's / images) - hook up digital camera's - ... : abrasion

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• (thats 8:30 CST / 9:30 EST / 6:30 PST for late comers) : mojoald
• wow cool, im 30th!! : jono181
• I'm In! (timaste) : SubrealDotNet
• Needs more Teamspeak. =( : brickmatt
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  the auto map sizer is installed and working by the way. we get 16 player maps with up to 27 players. ... : themelon
  • You're my hero. : mojoald
• Family Guy is over, I'm in. : DakkaUT
• OTW : Concrete
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  Fucking god damn stupid machine crashing when its above 90 out. Its a source of shame for me. : mojoald
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    GOD DAMN IT again. : mojoald
    • :( : Maddog_Delphi97
• GO GO GO!! : Maddog_Delphi97
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  i suck ass at this game.. I play medic of anti-tank.. and I just get owned, while hiding, crouched, in a ... : dextius
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    so you play as an engineer? : moe6
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      wait no. *head asplode* OIC. : moe6
      • my bad, medic OR anti-tank.. : dextius
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  The server apparently restarted itself, and now it is not only stuck on 64 player maps--it's also not let... : UtilityMaximizer
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    It's back up, and running 16 player maps! We only have four on four at the moment, so we need more player... : UtilityMaximizer
    • now that's HOT, auto map adjust ftw! : RikiTiki2
  • The server manager deamon crashed but not the server it self. I will restart it as soon as you guys are ... : themelon
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  Good games tonight. Umax is an excellent squad mate. : -efx-
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    Great squadmate, better commander :) : suicidemachine
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      Thanks guys! Actually, I have more fun being in a good squad. Commanding is necessary, though, and someon... : UtilityMaximizer
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        yeah, it would be nice to make everything more random. : suicidemachine
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          the next release of the server manager deamon is supposed to have a randomize teams option. : themelon
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            I'd like to see a randomize by squad option - keep squads together, just mix them up between the teams. ... : Luminair
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              thanks, and I hope that you will be able to do it by squad as well. Pain in the but setting up squads ev... : themelon
              • yes, agreed that it should only be done by squads. if you continually break up the squads, people aren't ... : Nighthavvk
          • this is really needed ! : RikiTiki2
    • umax is fun to play against; he's always a red herring to my operations. pays attention to sound, etc. : Nighthavvk
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  Why cant the weapons be unlocked anymore? : Lightzout
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    tbh, I prefer the weapons as they are, for a number of reasons, including variety. : Nighthavvk
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      how do you get variety with less weapons? :P : RikiTiki2
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        because if you unlock the weapons, people basically end up only using the unlockables. Instead of 2 or 3... : Nighthavvk
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          i almost never used the unlockables :( : RikiTiki2
          • then you're far form the norm :p Maybe it'd be better now that people understand the game more? I still, ... : Nighthavvk
  • EA removed the capability from the non-ranked server. Just wait though. Once the mod tools come out som... : themelon

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• Don't roll a druid. :( : walker270
• be a mage or a shaman. : phatl
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  Don't roll a paladin. :( : Bean
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    Paladins are going to be the best class when Blizzard releases the Paladin patch. THEY BETTER BE! : stump
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      What do paladins want these days anyway? DPS or aggro control? : Wombat Woo
      • buffs and off-healing. : sixfoot6
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        1) Controllable DPS most of all 2) Useful ranged attack : stump
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          Why the hell would paladins get a ranged attack? : Zibro
          • I think rogues should get ressurection spells : armybob
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            Because they're the ONLY class who can't use ranged weaps. We don't need mass ranged damage like hunters... : Dechter
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              Druids can't use ranged weapons either, although they do have three ranged spells. : walker270
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                I count 4 offensive ranged spells [off the top of my head] Moonfire Wrath Starfire Entangling Vines ... : captfarrell
                • Right, roots, which is only useful outdoors (a full one instance in the game) and is probably one of the ... : walker270
            • they're not the only class... : captfarrell
            • Pallys wear more armor then GOD!!! you don't need to pull anything!!! get in there . . . mix it up, heal,... : jedi_27
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            Because other then using engineering items which cost a lot of money, we have no way of stopping anybody ... : stump
            • Hammer of Justice (or whatever it's called), the one that stuns people. : SilverSnake
• Make a rogue and never look back!@ : aggressor
• Take up first aid, and two of the following. Herbalism, mining, or skinning. : Wombat Woo
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  What are the strong classes nowadays anyway? : -efx-
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    Warrior, Priest, Mage is the holy PvE trinity, while rogues and shamen are still awesome in pvp. The res... : walker270
    • ^^Pay no attention to this man. I've had as good or better grouping experiences with classes outside the... : Arcanum
• Don't stab your buddies in the chest over a virtual sword. : DingoStoleMyBaby
• Say goodbye to friends and family. : Mikuya
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  Play on bleeding hollow server!!!. : xpogox
  • this is a good idea if you like constant crashing for 5 days straight : johnny skidmarks
• Don't roll any character, they all suck. : sanchez
• dont. : Morgin
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  Play a paladin, they fucking own. : JINKY
  • shields up! : dodob
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  Nevermind. I'm on dialup and can't download the freakin' 190 MB patch. It was a trial version and of cour... : mr3dmax
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    cancel your account at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com : armybob
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      Don't suppose you could link me directly to where it says "Cancel your account" could you? : mr3dmax
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        you have to click on "manage account" : burning eye
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          The words 'delete' or 'cancel' are nowhere on that page for me. : mr3dmax
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            Click on "Change subscription" or something similar. : cameljoe
            • (also, first log in smartypants) : [7]kami
      • wow, is this your first time on the internet as well ? : jedi_27
  • Download the file overnight mang. : aggressor
• If you don't want to feel like a robot when doing instances, play a warrior. : Magitek
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  When you're leveling, always go for monsters 2 levels below you. Quests that require you to kill monsters... : FlatlineDixay
  • ? With my Orc Warrior i solo Q's and mobs up to 4 above my own. Makes the game more fun, cause i actua... : [7]kami
  • this however does not apply to rogues, priests, tanks, pallys, shaman. sometimes mages, hunters, and w... : jedi_27
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  Roll a Priest or warrior. You will always be needed late game. : D45hiz
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    By that time, he may quit due to the monotony and snoozeriffic playstyle of pre-60 priest. : Faluzure
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      Shadow priest a snooze fest? Those things still do an insane amount of damage. : walker270
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        Insane damage to a single target: yes, especially DoT. Multiple targets: no. : Faluzure
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          Damage is damage. Having played a Druid to endgame (all of which before the so-called "druid patch"), I : walker270
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            I dunno man. I've been playing alongside yakz who is playing priest spec'd out in Shadow talents and he ... : Faluzure
            • Shadowform blows. Vampiric Embrace is busted. Most priests arent healbots are going Disc/Shadow now. : johnny skidmarks
• make sure you're not on dialup first : cap n KRUNCH