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Coffee Talk w/ Rockstar
by Steve Gibson, Jul 13, 2005 9:58am PDTThe latest controversy surrounding GTA titles has been the alleged porn mini-game hidden within San Andreas. Screenshots surfaces a while ago of the Playstation2 version but the real stink started just recently when a mod was released for the PC build so that anyone could get to it. A 'nationwide parental alert' was issued. Now Rockstar Games is making statements:
"So far we have learned that the "hot coffee" modification is the work of a determined group of hackers who have gone to significant trouble to alter scenes in the official version of the game," reads the statement. "In violation of the software user agreement, hackers created the 'hot coffee' modification by disassembling and then combining, recompiling and altering the game's source code. Since the 'hot coffee' scenes cannot be created without intentional and significant technical modifications and reverse engineering of the game's source code, we are currently investigating ways that we can increase the security protection of the source code and prevent the game from being altered by the 'hot coffee' modification."The modder states that he added nothing to the game when releasing the mod and that all the content was there by Rockstar - "If Rockstar Games denies that, then they're lying, and I will be able to prove that," said Wildenborg, a mod author, in an e-mail to The Associated Press.
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/13/news_6129021.html
This is what I meant when I said "game over, Rockstar". The media / politician backlash is a comin for you...
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That is the basis of Hilary Clinton's arguement. "THE MOD IS AVAILABLE TO THE CHILDREN! OMG!" Well wait, dumbass...you can't play the mod...without the game! I don't understand why nobody can get it through their THICK SKULLS that Mature means Mature, over 18, not kiddy. Parents just buy their kids everything and then get mad and blame the media/government/game designers when they catch their kid doing something bad. "I caught my innocent Johnny urinating on burning corpses of people he beheaded with shovels in Postal 2, that was alright. Then I caught him having sex with an actual woman in GTA, OMG! NATIONAL PARENTAL ALERT!" If this actually gets anywhere in the courts, I'm moving to Canada. Seriously.
All the guy did was change a flag in a mission file.
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iPod = GTA: SA
Podcast MP3s = Hot Coffee Mod
Playing the mp3 on the hardware = executing the Hot Coffee Mod
I mean, we don't want the children to get some wrong ideas with the stuff that's out there, now do we?
It's not unlocked in the original game that sells in shops and that means no one's hurt, right? It doesn't count if you have to unlock it by patch or what, that's the same like if it was just the mod.
you f*gs are going on and on about hypocrisy and misdirection from either the author of the mod or rockstar when you're basically doing exactly what you state you hated. the esrb system is a failure, get on with your life. or better yet, talk about the main issue instead.....
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like its been said many times, this is a mature game and it has a mature rating that clearly explains that the game has mature content, like sex and/or violence, and no minor has any kind what-so-ever of business playing this game in the first place, even if this "coffe mod" never existed at all, so all this shit should be a non issue, there is no need really to say anything else about this, or like Rockstar did, say something else to make themselves look like if they didnt knew that this could happen...
and for fuck sakes, the fucking sex taboo in America should die already, every fucking one does it and likes it, so wtf...
This country is so f***ing backasswards and the media has it by the throat.
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...hackers created the 'hot coffee' modification by disassembling and then combining, recompiling and altering the game's source code.
Well...yeah, that's the definition of a mod, no? Disregarding whether doing so violates the EULA or not, that says to me that the content was there for someone to monkey with. The statement as a whole sounds to me like a very good attempt to 'spin' this into it being the modder's creation, and not an exposure of already in-place code via reverse engineering, etc.
Not I think this should be such a big issue in the first place. Crimeny, you can cut down crowds of people with a chainsaw, then set their bodies on fire. It cracks me up that a gratuitous sex scene is more upsetting than ultra-violence. This all kinda goes into the same category as network TV censorship as well, imo. They bleep out "ass" and cut nudity scenes, but leave in some of the most violent scenes from movies. Such an odd double standard :(
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Could/should software titles have thier ESRB rating be based not only on the game, but on any locked or hidden content?
At first, I would say "That is silly". However, what if that opens the door to scenarios such as this:
Rockstar makes a game, lets say "GTA: Greater Toronto Area".
The game is a standard GTA game, and would get an adults-only rating.
So, they modify all the mission script files and whatnot so that the game plays very G-rated. (Your missions are delivering pizza, driving Ms Daisy from point A to point B. No guns. Everybody jumps out of the way of your car, so nobody gets run over. No cars explode. No bad collisions. No blood, death or tittles.)
The game gets a lower rating, allowing kids to buy it.
A nameless "hacker" (actually a Rockstar employee) uploads a mod that alters all the mission scripts so that the game plays in it's natural, bloody fashion. They way Rockstar wanted the game to play.
The mod becomes well known and silently approved of. Everyone eventually ends up playing the modded version.
Rockstar gets a younger rating, which sells more copies and everybody is happy. They just got around the ESRB.
I don't mean to make negative implications against Rockstar in this example, I just used them for convenience.
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http://patrickw.gtagames.nl/
This statement says it all:
The only thing I had to do to enable the mini-games was toggling a single bit in the main.scm file
That's right, kids... don't toggle bits, or you become hacker.
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Media "watchdogs" aren't going away with more communication. WIth the internet and instant news there will always be some group crying and calling for it to be pulled from the shelves. Or wal-mart might pull it themselves. Sucks for us "mature" gamers who don't mind nudity being unlocked from some internet code we found.
I guess I will wait for some mod + redesigned characters. High resolution titties in DNF ftw.
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Let Rockstar say that it's an indepth reverse-engineering hack job, which is plausable enough for the ESBA (or whatever they're called) to believe. This shit will die down, but not with that wanker saying "I'll -prove- that R* did all this."
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When I read this kind of things I think we're doomed.. Please when's the next train for <insert random farway planet here>?
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Only an incredible stupid man (or politician) would actually consider this game a problem. Here is a reality tip for that stupid guy, pull the plug on the internet or start dealing with the harsh reality that is the real world (as seen on Google)
Normal sex is dead, welcome to sex "as seen on the internet", yes, you are supposed to pull out the dick and "cum in her face" it's the way nature wants it.
Anal sex is the norm, it's how "everybody else" does, i've seen it myself.
Eat shit and drink piss, it's the only way!
Commercials for condoms results in more sex, ban the commercials and enjoy AIDS instead.
Sorry for rambling, it's just so stupid :-(
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Your kids are able to download files from the internet that enable porn content in a video game that allows them to hire prostitutes and shoot criminals. Because of this porn content, your kids shouldn't experience this otherwise wholesome family experience.
In other news, they can also just download porn from the internet.
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it's not that they hate doing it doggystyle (maybe some do.. prudes) they just dont realize the industry has changed.
so many of them are still so stuck on the idea of pac-man that they cant seem to grasp there games are made for mature audiences. GTA should not be in the hands of a child to begin with. that's why rockstar / esrb have the rating on the box.
they just see videogame + porn = aAHHHHHHH!!!!
this is of course disregarding the whole 'porn is evil and should not be anywhere' groups.
i do think there really is a problem with parents not understanding the industry and what is available to kids classified as 'videogames' as well as stores not enforcing ratings though.
like fresh prince said. parents just dont understand. :(
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Prove they are lying about what?
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