Next-Gen Consoles to be the Death of PC Gaming?
by Alec Matias, Jun 03, 2005 11:44am PDTThat's the scenario presented by C|Net editorialist David Carnoy. He argues that the price of a new console versus the price of a PC gaming rig will have gamers migrating their gaming habits to the couch and using the extra dough on items such as an HDTV. Even if they're only upgrading the video card, a $300-$400 console sounds better than a $400-$500 cutting-edge video card.
The bottom line is that console manufacturers often heavily subsidize their new machines, swallowing huge losses up front in hopes that they'll make it all back selling games. (Unlike PC games, the console manufacturers get a royalty for each game sold on their respective systems.) Other things being equal, the DIY-heavy PC-gaming industry can't hope to compete in that kind of market.So with PC game sales either declining or remaining stagnant over the past few years and the fact that big-name titles are also landing on a console (Quake 4, Prey, Alan Wake, UT2K7), do you believe PC gaming is going the way of the arcade, losing its business to the consoles?
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StarCraft
Ow... wait. Lemme throw in another one:
World of Warcraft
ktnkxbye kekeke
2) TV's can't do 1600x1200x32 8x AS 4x AA.
3) Mouse + Keyboard >> Joystick
4) HDD > DvD in terms of load times.
The list goes on ...
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PC gaming will NOT die as long as the world needs PCs. There is a niche for it, or these graphic card companies woould not be proffiting all the time and would just fold right now. Their numbers are going up not down people.
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Consoles are already on their way to BECOMING a full blown PC..
Think-about it. The console is killing itself, technically. :P
You're ALWAYS going to have PC gaming - it might become "niche" but it'll never truely die - games like BF2, WOW, Warcraft 3, The Sims will always have their place on the PC - sure a console version might be made but it'll normally be partly dumbed down control wise perhaps.
Mind you I'm a console gamer now and don't care for PC gaming so don't think I'm defending it too much...
Plus there's people who like to mod their games.
Then there's people who need a PC to speak to their console (XBox mod'd and PC anyone?)
As for why people don't like consoles, some say it's the low resolution, some say it's the lack of online play - others whine about the keyboard and mouse.
Some think the games are generally more kiddie etc and the "serious" games are on PC
Personally - the reasons I moved to my console was the comfort of the living room - I feel more relaxed on a couch - I can concerntrate on a game without wondering about alt tabbing to check if bit torrent has finished grabbing my porn,...... I can concerntrate without wondering if anyone has msg'd me
I am not cramped over a desk (good chair or not - couch wins)
The games have consistent controls - same controller always.
Did you know you can spot an ex pc gamer (me) on a console - because out of habit when he / she fires up a new game they NEVER go to new game - they ALWAYS go into options, even though they likely don't need to....
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End of story.
I was a never look back PC gamer... the SNES was my last console for ages. In fact I played most of my games on linux. But I couldn't help but pick up a PS2 when vice city came out. Before I knew it, I had all 3.
A friend of mine once said that being a gamer and having only one system is like having a girlfriend and only touching her boobs.
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So this is surely not the death of PC gaming, not nearly at all.
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Graphics will always be a tight battle, but I wonder if the limits of HDTV resolution will affect it: once all of a console's games feature AA and AF at full HDTV rez, will some of the subsequent graphical improvements on the PC be less obvious?
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I love LAN parties. I love them with a passion. One thing I hate about them though, is the mess and clutter of large PCs and monitors with ethernet cables all over the place. But these new consoles just seem to be really great. PS3 is capable of handling seven Bluetooth controllers at once. That sounds like a LAN party in a box to me.
Explain this too, PC hardware has been dominating the xbox and ps2 for quite some time now... for about 3 years i'd say? So why haven't PC sales increased according to your logic?
I do agree that PC gaming is not going anywhere any time soon, but with these new consoles that are extremely powerful, more powerful than ever before when compared to the current PC of its time, I do think that PC gaming is going to see some tough times and is going to suffer.
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'Nuff said.
this debate reminds me of the death of the internet shit that everyone was talking about it 1996.
- http://news.com.com/2100-1023-243046.html?legacy=cnet
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How many people own a Toyota Camry? Lots.
How many people own a Lamborghini ? Not as many.
People are still making lamborghinis though. Why? Because there is still a market for them, regardless of size.
As long as people continue to buy PC games, other people will continue to make them.
Capitialism bitches!
Also: There is nothing saying that the PC gaming market might undergo a transformation in order to meet the demands of their industry/comsumers. Just look at the valve/steam model. Games on-demand, downloaded across the internet.
Maybe we should worry less about the death of PC gaming and more about the death of PC gaming publishers.
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I see a lot of posts these days talking about the $2000 every six months upgrade cycle, so I thought I'd see how much it'd cost to put together a viable gaming system from Newegg that would last probably 2-3 years:
http://tinyurl.com/74mtq
Correct me if anything you see there is blatantly wrong or unreasonable, but $660 doesn't seem to be all that unreasonable to me considering that you can do stuff other than play games on a PC.
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At least if your a die-hard PC gamer you only need to own one system.
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Now the gap is narrowing. A hit game on a console is becoming more like what hit games on the PC have been like for years. Eventually the graphical gap that exists between two generations of hardware simply won't justify the price of an upgrade. But once that happens, you'll be in a situation where the cheap hardware of 4 years ago is just about as good as the current expensive cutting edge hardware. Which means the only real advantage that consoles have (their price) will eventually not exist. So why lock yourself into a piece of hardware that has intentionally been made incompatible with other platforms?
Once console companies lose their price advantage, there won't be any need for them. Whatever system you buy will be cheap, and it will do everything you need it to do. Consoles will become PCs. If console makers exists, they will exists only to provide what will just be another PC, because the market will force them to produce something that can play games from anything. And who knows, maybe at some point we'll actually see games distrubuted "just in time" and your TV and "PC" will merge.
But that day is still a ways off. Right now PCs still have a lot of advantages. I was watching some people play an Xbox game at best buy the other day on a 50'' Plasma. Good lord was that game ugly. At that size no AF and AA with the relatively low resolution produced REALLY ugly jaggies. I would NEVER consider dumping my PC for that horribly pixilated mess. And the only people who would will be people who can't afford a 50 inch plasma anyway.
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People will be screamin "PC is dead" when Xbox360 ships. And shortly thereafter PC's will then "make that next leap".
That next leap will be physics co-processing. PC games will suddenly have realistic water, flooding, bloodletting, smoking, fire, fogging, completely destructable levels and over the top physical mayhem!
PC gaming gets another 5 year reprieve...
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will become PCs.
Its just that simple. Microsoft saw the convergence happening and jumped into the console game to secure their part in it-- not to sell XBOXes but to sell the operating system that powers gaming systems. They've already begun this process by, amongst other things, introducing XNA (which unifies PC and console development).
Its only a matter of time until consoles disappear forever in the sense that their functionality will eventually become equivalent to a PC, not the other way around.
Also it never ceases to amuse me how this comes up every single time new consoles are released. Same thing with new video cards and the whole "OMG $500??? WTF" meme that appears every time too. You people will never learn.
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In the long run though it’s not the nex gen consoles that will kill the PC as a games platform, but rather the rampant piracy.
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until then, I'll stick with my PC. thanks. mouse+keyboard > stupid controllers.
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Did MS enter the console market because they were concerned that perhaps ten, fifteen, or twenty years down the road that PC gaming may become obsolete. After all, Windows thrives on Business software and PC gaming. However there is alternative operating systems for business software unlike pc gaming. IF pc gaming did die, how badly would MS's software division suffer?
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Everyone will stop drooling over the XBox360/PS3 when the new graphics cards are announced this month. Same shit that happened 4 years ago with the original XBox. They showed a beefed up GF3 and out comes nVidia with their GF4.
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The only draw to PC gaming for me isn't the fact that they are on a PC but alot of games on the platform just wouldn't work well with a gamepad and thus never get ported over -- strategy games especially. I wouldn't give up a game like New Jagged Union.
I'd imagine eventually future X-Box consoles will support running windows games in some way...then the line will be blurred and pc gaming will be moot. PC's themselves will be used more primarily for what they can do that consoles can't -- non-gaming activities...work...production...education...solitairolol.
All my objections that have kept me from fully embracing console gaming over pc gaming are slowly going away...things just aren't quite there yet.
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2) Some douchebag claims that PC gaming is dying/dead like religious clockwork. It's like Y2K for gamers every month or so. Congratulations, you're right on cue, you fuck.
3) If assholes like you are too dumb, lazy, broke, or disinterested to play PC games, naturally consoles are going to seem like the only alternative. In other words PC gaming is just dead to you, you tunnel-visioned, bell-ringing idiot.
4) If your notion of "the death of PC gaming" keeps you from clamoring for the next nerfed franchise sequel, or shitty cross-platform compromise then so be it. Let PC gaming die in your mind and leave us the fuck alone.
It's Friday, I'm pissed off. >:(
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