Carmack On Q1 Code Release

#63, yes perhaps i have exhagerated (no idea how to spell that) your statements...reading back thru them they dont seem so bad...but when i first read them i was just turned off by your seemingly q1 elitist anti-q2 attitude...of course everyone has their opinions but you stated things as if they were universal facts...what it all comes down to is just personal preference and there is no way to reason around it...threshes views on q2, the number of q2 patches, or the skill level of other people who play q2 really dont matter if you yourself like the game...i hope the rumor about the generations mod being made for q3 is true...there are still some aspects of q1 that were cool but are lacking in q3...but i think q3 is pretty damn cool...

#57 I have reading comprehension problems eh? I don\'t think so. How do you figure I am/was contradicting myself. I was only elaborating off of what i had previously said... there is no contradiction there. If you can\'t figure out what I\'m trying to say or what I have already said, and already broke down for you, that\'s just too bad. Why are you being so lame towards me... I\'ve already told you what I think/my opinions are.. how can that be contraditing? I NEVER said I thought ALL q2 players were a farce.. and I even explained WHY I said the \"hardcore\" ones were a farce. And you can deny it until your blue in the face.. but THERE IS seperation amongst players of q1, q2, and q3. Q3 was designed by id to unite the two communities.. and they have said this flat out in the beggining.
\"i think azngirl is wrong when she says the q2 physics were changed in patches...i dont remember anything like that\" Well, if you can\'t remember, then you obviously shouldn\'t assume I\'m wrong then.

#58: no, I\'m electric, and if you touch me.. you\'ll get shocked shocked shocked.

#60 notice how i put the \"mistake\" in quotes...thats cos it wasnt really a mistake, but it wasnt intentional...as the person after you pointed out, there are many flukes in q1 which people have grown to love...same is true with q2...i think azngirl is wrong when she says the q2 physics were changed in patches...i dont remember anything like that, although zoid did increase the air control in one patch but it got taken out in the next...

Hey bullet,

Been reading a lot of this q1/q2 crap, and that\'s what it basicly is....a bunch of crap. Myself? I realize that q1 is/always has been the better game, but one thing I noticed you saying........

\"instant switch weapons in q1 were an id \"mistake\" too...guess they suck huh?\"

Wrong. They were instant because they did\'nt have the time to do animations, that\'s not a MISTAKE, and if it was....they would have patched it ala q2-suck style. Guess that kinda makes your claim to Azn\'s \"contradictions\" kinda ...invalid, huh?

-Erik

#56, do you have reading comprehension problems?...i think so, and i think you have trouble comprehending even your own words...i have never said that you are wrong for not liking q2, i dont care what you think of q2, you just seem to contradict yourself in every other post so i thought i would point this out to you...

when i spoke of the stupidity of grouping ALL q1/q2 players together i was not referring to a clan of 9 or 10 players, i meant ALL....ALL q1 players are not the same, you dont ALL agree on everything, etc...you seem to realize this point in #50 when you say that one individual q1 player losing to a q2 player means nothing...

to recap, i dont care about your opinions, i was just pointing out what i thought were contradictions...

instant switch weapons in q1 were an id \"mistake\" too...guess they suck huh?

oh hi again bullet, strange seeing you here. yeah. By anychance are you red in the face right now? you seem like the type that\'s about to crack at any moment. Why won\'t you let it go? Are we going to solve something here? Yes, I do consider them to be groups. Are you in a clan? do they specify what game they play? Like, yeah, we\'re a q2 clan. Or, we\'re exclusivly q1. Most ppl label themselves a q2 playeror a q1 player. You see how this works? I myself, can only dedicate myself to one game. I have my opinion, and yeah i admitt, it\'s pretty negative towards q2. But this is because i compare it to q1. There are alot of aspects I LOVE about q1, that just aren\'t there in q2. Does that make it a bad game? To me, yes. Because it doesn\'t fulfill MY requirements of what a fps should be. About the players: I\'ve tried, really I have. My previous clan was almost ALL q2\'ers. I tried their teamgames, and 1v1\'s... but I was like... bored or something. This is what I meant when I called them a farce. To me, the game was waaay too slow paced, not intense enough for my liking. A 1v1 in q2 seemed to take forever, while in q1, it was kill after kill. :-) As far as q2 being a mistake. Take a good look at q2\'s maps? Sure, great for single player... but multiplayer... ho hum. I think Thresh and even JC said (in so many words) that the game was a mistake. Also take alook at the patches of q2.. it literally CHANGED the whole f\'n game.. jump physics, etc. etc. ....differing opinions just suck, don\'t they bullet? especially when their coming from someone as biased as me. but hey, im proud of my biased-ness. :-) /me shakes hand... damn writers cramp. I\'m not used to writing novels. :-/

hey np azn9irl, but there is no way in hell your gonna convince me
that q2 was a mistake. or id for that matter,thier laughing all the way to the bank
before q3 was even thought of,I\'m sure thier pockets got fat as hell off q2.
funny tho in a year or two newbie q3 players who never played q2
will prolly be sayin shit like q2 sx,and what is quake1 all about?
mabey by then I\'ll be a vet too

#53 youre seriously telling me you dont look down on q2 players?...

youre the same person that said this:

\"I\'m also sorry to hear that you overlooked the fact that q2 was a mistake.\"

and this:

\"the so called \'hardcore\' gamers in q2 is a farce\"

?

i never said anything about a personal prefrence for q1/q2/q3...i have all 3 of them on my computer and i play all of them from time to time and i think they are all great games...i dont know anything about q1 / q2 /q3 players as a whole and i think its stupid to talk about them as if they are one group...

Omg, im glad im at work and bored as he77, because this will be neverending.. consider me easily entertained for tonight. Bullet, I am not upset at q2 players as a whole, just the one\'s that look down on q1 (because it is an old game) taht just started the fps genre with q2... I thought I made this clear? oh well. /me hands bullet a GOLDEN BOOK. Go to town bullet. :-) bullet, I think we should stop argueing... this is getting silly.. you like q2, I like q1. yay, we figured it out!

#50, dont you find it odd that you are upset over \"q2 freaks that have that ego about themselves as a q2 player, and think less of q1\" when you are a q1 freak who has an ego about themselves and thinks less of q2 players?

#47, dude, im not trying to change anybody\'s minds here. I was just merely stating my opinion of q2 and shit hit the fan. I don\'t mean any insults to anyone.. just the q2 freaks that have that ego about themselves as a q2 player, and think less of q1 (when they haven\'t even played it). And #48... just because of some demo showed a beatdown of a q1 player by a q2 player... that\'s supposed to mean something? LIke because of that ONE guy got beat, all q1ers will now fall under some name he\'s created for us? I don\'t think so.

#44
I know its annoying to read retarded posts like #18, but you have to ignore that kind of drivel. Replying and starting Q1vsQ2 debates accomplishes nothing apart from more insult flinging. No one cares if someone is \"hardcore\" or not. It really doesnt matter. Play whatever you enjoy, thats the point of it after all. I didn\'t enjoy Quake2 at all, so i didnt play it. Why the hell should I ?

I think that Quake is the best game of all time.
I really don\'t give a shit if anyone disagrees =)

#42, and what makes you so different? You automatically assume it\'s that time of month for me? and if it wasn\'t, i\'d just be a bitch, right? Also, as far as personal attacks are concerned, let me remind you \"If it makes you feel better...\" suttly implying/degrading me?... I\'d say so. And besides, why would u even want to conclude off of what I just said about hardcore gamers? Is there something wrong with you? I\'m sure your a very smart person... you just don\'t make it that obvious in your post about hardcore gamers. Lemme ask youthis, are all gamers alike? No, because some of us dedicate a lot of our time to it, rather than some that are just weekend players or whatnot. Isn\'t that difference enough to catagorize it? I think so. Just like youd catagorize a professional football guy from a ameture/rookie football guy. Maybe I\'m not making sense.. I dunno, but I would think it\'s common sense to come to the conclusion that you can catagorize/label certain groups/things/people, etc. However, if you would like to catagorize a person who sleeps more than 9hrs as a hardcore sleeper... go for it. And #43.. if you are able to mop me (that isn\'t ping related), then I guess my lost respect for you as a q2 player to be null.

I am also sorry to hear that you overlooked the fact that q2
was a mistake! #40 obviously got hold of some bad crack!
I give props to q1 and its players who were lucky enough to partake
in a grounbreaking classic like q1,even tho I dont play it I know if it wasn\'t
for q1 there prolly wouldnt be a q3arena,and since Stevo will soon have
a q3 server up,yes azn9irl you will be getting mopped by me personnally

Deucy

#40, is it that time of the month or something?...how about you try to attack peoples arguments rather than the people themselves since you know nothing about them...or wait, that would require thought...

#38. your a real genius. please have my babies.

#32: point taken. but I still feel the same towards q2. What I meant by q2 newbies is that most of them have that same mentality of \"quake1? Isn\'t that game like 5years old? GEt a faster cpu!\" It\'s like, uhm, why are you here? I don\'t necessarily agree that q2 is more strategic. Please elaborate. Just because there is footsteps? Yeah, imo, tha\'s what made the game slower, not more strategic. And #33: Are you inviting me to get \"mopped\" up by you? The pleasure would be mine, if that were ever to happen. but it would NEVER. Nor would be that lucky. Go play q2 now. :-)

#29, whatever, if it makes you feel better...

would someone who sleeps a lot be a hardcore sleeper?...or just lazy?...

#31: it wouldn\'t matter because all the 31337 players in Quake1 hacked their eyes model so that eyes showed up as a normal player...

\"They are too pussy to play a different game.\"

Why play an inferior, unentertaining game?

Hey #30 I learned on q2 a few years ago if that makes me new so be it.
I am pretty damn good at q3arena and q2,since q3arena is a combination
of both q1 and q2 its safe to say that you would get your veteran ass
mopped the fuck up on q1 by a NEWBIE!

#30, it\'s all a matter of preference. would quake1 players own q2 players in a game of q1? probably. would q2 players on q1 players in a game of q2? probably. would counter-strike players own q3 players in a game of cs? probably. would q3 players own cs players in a game of q3? probably.

see a pattern? q2 required much more strategy than q1. there was a need to be methodical in your movements. not that there wasn\'t in quake1, but a lot of the method in q1 was \'grab the rocket launcher and shoot people\'.

now, i love both q2 and q1 (q1 moreso, in fact) but i think that saying q2 was a \'mistake\' is blatantly poor judgement. maybe you don\'t like being slower and more methodical than q1, and i respect that; however, there are people who prefer the slower-paced action of q2 to that of q1. and, obviously, slower-paced action isn\'t all too ineffective - look at the huge numbers of Counter-Strike players there are. and if you say that CS players aren\'t \'hardcore\' gamers.. well.. i\'ll bend you over and spank you in a game of doom. :P

#28: self-righteous? perhaps. But I think it\'s more like, im just being opinionated about the matter. I think q2 just sucks. And I\'m sorry that you let graphics and player models make up your mind on which game to play (can someone say mindless clone?). Q2\'s gameply is a turtle fest compared to q1\'s gameplay. I\'m also sorry to hear that you overlooked the fact that q2 was a mistake.
A mistake indeed it was, along with the newbie players q2 drug in with it. Sure, I\'ve ran across some players that came from q2 that I thought was very good... but I still wouldn\'t give that credit to q2... I bet if they started out playing q1, they would have more skill than they knew what to do with. In comparison (and since we previously mentioned the word \'hardcore\'), q2 is definitly softcore compared to how hardcore q1 is. Does that confuse you? Think pr0n, think pr0n.

#27, your one of those kids that sat/sits at the front of the bus aren\'t you? (you know, the kind that\'s good buddies with the bus driver)?
Of course there\'s such a thing as hardcore gamers. Where do you get off saying there isn\'t? A hardcore gamer is commonly known (at least by other gamers) as sausages (aka: harcore gamers). Somone who devotes most of their time/life to games. Hardcore can be used as a word (noun) to refer to a person, place or thing. yep.
Get a clue: Adj. Something that is of an extreme, committed nature. An obsessive follower of a game, for example, may be called a hardcore gamer.

#25: You sound so self-rightous. Did it ever occur to you that some people appreciate better graphics and player models, and that a slower-paced game doesn\'t necessairly mean less skill? If that was true, ALL so-called \"Quake1-ers\" would kick ALL of \"Quake2-ers\" asses at their own game, and that\'s obviously not true.

Did it also occur to you that some people\'s tastes change? I for example played Quake/QW continuously since Quake was released, until Quake2 came out, which I played pretty much continously until Q3Test came out. Now I play Quake3 exclusively. Do I suck because I used to play Quake2? Do I suck less now that I play Quake3? Or do I not suck because I used to play Quake1 and was good at it?

What\'s with this religious war. I can see how people can be pissed at an \"usurper\" like UT, but starting a family feud between id games is just plain childish and pointless.

actually, \"\'hardcore\' gamers\" for any video game is a farce...video games are not hardcore...