Valve Hands out 30,000 Lumps of Coal
by Steve Gibson, Dec 22, 2004 5:37pm PSTSome of you may recall the first round of Steam bannings and it looks like Valve isnt done. If you play naughty you dont get to play at all. 30,000 more people were banned today for things like cheating or entering 50 different fake CC #'s for example. The statement from Valve:
Today Valve disabled more than 30,000 Steam accounts which had been used to try to illegally gain access to Valve games without a valid purchase. Valve takes such activities seriously and reserves the right to disable Steam accounts engaging in piracy, cheating, illegal activities, or any other activity in violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement. The accounts that are disabled today will not be reactivated.
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...Something about that kinda scares me. I don't ever intend to do it to anyone, or have it happen to me, but the idea that if you do one thing wrong you lose the ability to use everything on your machine, that seems a bit harsh. Justified? Maybe, maybe not, that's open for debate, but harsh all the same.
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Is there any recourse for people who feel they were wrongfully banned?
i.e. does Valve just say "fu" to everyone they banned or will they provide you with proof of why they canned you?
Don't get me wrong I say ban the cheaters and pirates, but as with any "governing" body, I get a little leary of such sweeping power going unchecked.
I mean if they ban 30,000 people and 1,000 of them were innocent, imagine trying to prove your case.
Just wondering.
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Even if they are cheaters, they still paid for the game, and it doesn't seem right that Valve could just say "hey thanks for the money sucker". What if later on they decide that they want to charge you for the right to continue to play HL2? This could be a very slipplery slope here guys. I think i liked the old way better. Where you paid for your game and then it was yours.
What happens when Valve goes out of business in 20 years? Will reto gamers be denined playing HL2 because steam was taken down a decade ago?
just some things to think about.
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I've heard that some silly people tried fake CCards as well as using some kind of hacks and cracks to unlock HL2.
Anyhow (so the rumour goes) some of these people caved in, realised the error of their ways and legitimately purchased the game.
I do not beleive these people should be banned, perhaps a warning email, perhaps a 1 week ban - but outright "Stealing" the money of these people is (in my opinion) wrong.
(I heard some of these people had to re-purchase a second copy and were outright told this by technical support or on the forums or some such)
Note this is only a rumour, I haven't 100% confirmed this.
sure they were stupid but valve got what they wanted, they curbed piracy, they should respect this silly warez kiddies for changing their ways and give them the incentive to purchase again
Of course if this information is wrong well so be it, but that's just my take on it.
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While banning illegitimate accounts looks cool and all that (look at the huge numbers!), please explain to me why Steam is such an unsafe tool that it allows people to download and install games with no purchasing at all, and why it allows people to play on legitimate servers with cracked games without even needing an account. Why is steam so client-side based? An emulation can easily bypass that and allow ilegitimate players to play whatever they want no matter how many times you ban people or who you ban. And finally, how can a system that is so intrusive offer less protection than an old, simple, 1999-ish CD Key check done by the server? Why, oh why? Am I wrong? I didn't use to believe such a dumb client-side scheme was true, but I've been proven time and time again that cracking steam and playing on online servers with pirate copies is possible and, in fact, easier than purchasing or installing a legitimate game. This really annoys the hell out of me, and each time I see one announcement like that I just get more and more sad because as much as I wanted to believe this solved anything, the truth is it doesn't matter f*ck in the process. Maybe that will make users 'not in the known' happy, but reality couldn't be more disheartening. Please inform me better or please just fix this damned thing and make all verifications server-side and not bypassable.
Thanks,
A Concerned Citizen
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Wonder who they're gonna ban next?
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I can see how one may loose faith in the developers to deliver a solid title and we the consumer may decide that stealing a game is our way to solidify our loses over the years of buying games.
As far as people stealing games such as Half Life 2 after knowing how much hard work that went into bringing us a great gameing experience. I dont feel one bit sorry for any accounts that were banned based on their findings.
The cheaters of the internet are in a league of thier own, they search for ways to cheat as soon as they get an idea of how a game is written. These people dont have the RIGHT to complain about being "Permanently banned" from playing a game that was either purchased or stolen. They gave up thier rights when they cheated the system!
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how are they IDing cheaters? those speedhackers are a pain in the ass.
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People who get barred from the online ordering system may just give up, go to the store, and get a boxed copy, and Valve is kind of throwing the baby out with the bathwater because they don't like someone's character.
Keep in mind, I'm not arguing whether they have the right to do this, they obviously do. I'm debating whether it's a good business move
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Valve is working closely with banks and there is only one way to get multiple Steam purchases on one CC. Believe me it's a long process to clear more than one license and its done over the phone. You have to FAX your Drivers License and photocopied CC front and back. The second someone tries to dupe the 1 license per credit card system that is grounds for banning.
One person buys the game off Steam. That's all legit. Then said person distributes files over a LAN. Remaining systems use some cracked files to play. I don't know if Valve would play the guilt through association though.
The news post title is a bit misleading I think.
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I hope its the latter. Good Riddance.
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