Valve Cans 20,000 Steam Accounts

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  likely this or something like it is the future of software in general. : camp3r
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    Isn't this what people have been putting up with for Windows XP anyway? : dognose
    • yes, but with windows and many other products it auths when you install. i think in the future we're goin... : camp3r
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  I think of this as the start of an intermediate period in software. The fact is, people will find a wa... : protozone
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    It's not in a producer's interest for that to happen, so I doubt savvy software makers would go so far. ... : rasputinreborn
    • They have not been the trend so far, though. First software was 'free' as in 'freedom'. Then they wan... : protozone
• Yes, but steam hasnt stopped pirating, if it did that MIGHT make sense. Sure they banned all these attemp... : Speedy8

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• N!O Stop making sense! I can't take it! My head is going to a-splode. :o ;) : fortyseven
• Go buy your shoes ;) : higround
• So you think steam prevents warez CS:S from playing online? That is incorrect, it is entirely possible, I... : Speedy8

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  Only as ironic that counter-terrorism laws strip away civil liberties in the name of keeping people free. : SpiderMonkey
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    No, they're to keep people alive. : sliver
    • An unfairly strip away rights in the process. : cajuncook
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      "I'd like to trade in some of this excess liberty I have laying around. What do you have in stock that y... : fortyseven
      • A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will deserve neither and lose both. - Thoma... : AutoPilot

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  yeah what an asshole. He deserves to lose $55+ : ease_one
  • yeah how dare he..HOW DARE HE try to play a game he bought without the cd in the drive ...HOW DARE HE...t... : deathofrats
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    whats the bigger pain in the ass ... keeping the cd in the drive or losing $55. if he wanted no cd che... : johnny skidmarks
    • If he bought the game at launch, he probably didn't know that the retail version still--very annoyingly--... : dafunkcruz
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      Who the hell wants to pay $55 to use their bandwidth to help Valve distribute to more people. They don't... : wrath666
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        so much silliness here, I don't know where to begin... :/ : rasputinreborn
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          I'm silly to not want a torrent type network killing my upstream so valve can sell to more people, and fo... : wrath666
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            that right there is silly, since no such bittorrent-like activity occurs with steam at this time. : rasputinreborn
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              Why does it eat all of your upstream bandwidth then? : wrath666
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                And to clarify, I'm only talking about while you're downloading your copy, not after. : wrath666
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                  acknowledgement packets? maybe you've heard how TCP/IP works? : rasputinreborn
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                    The number of those packets is not equal to 384K upstream saturation, sorry, try again. : wrath666
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                      its obviously not steam. : moe6
                      • haha, ok you l33t people. : wrath666
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                      I doubt your problem is Steam then. : cameljoe
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                        Not mine, my Cisco certified friend and his room-mate who was downloading through steam. : wrath666
                        • Whatever, there's no bittorrent-like activity going on with Steam. : cameljoe
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                          OMG IS HE A BEST BUY GEEK SQUAD GUY! : Jimbo Ro
                          • it's sexninja!!!!????? : rasputinreborn
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                          Right, and they dumped the upstream packets, verified the bandwidth was used by those connections, and at... : mallrice
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                            Everyone can go fuck themselves :) : wrath666
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                              you betta say that with a smile boah! :) : rasputinreborn
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                                its hard to smile when you've been publicly owned : johnny skidmarks
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                                  Publicly owned? Oh no, the shack has embarrassed me! Paying $55 for the thing is still retarded if you'r... : wrath666
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                                    Steam users didnt pay $55 : johnny skidmarks
                                    • Stop, it's getting painful to watch. : Delusional
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      And if hes on dial up? Again we get back to the root of the problem with Steam, TOO MANY RESTRICTIONS.... : alcaron
      • that's right.... valve worked hard to produce it, and we have no right to demand their product any other ... : rasputinreborn
      • Then keep the cd in the drive. Nearly every other game requires it. Problem solved. : johnny skidmarks
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  can't retail people just delete source engine.gcf and have steam redownload it? I would think steam woul... : magila
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    I have been led to believe this is not the case. The type of key flags you as retail, afaik. : rasputinreborn
    • so retailers don't get to login to steam from any computer and just download and go? Damn they got shaft... : magila
    • Correct. I did it both ways with my retail copy, and it requires the CD check either way. : afty
• this only had to do with people doing the connect, then disconnect authentication thing with fake cd keys... : dilutedq

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  What's 1 evil thing about steam? : batkiwi
  • 1. You can't sell your game. 2. Valve are allowed to take the game away from you whenever they want, eve... : protozone
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    It is a proverbial rope around our necks. They could lock you out of your game whenever they want or feel... : stuka
    • I think Vivendi force Valve to maintain the retail price, wich is a very logical thing to do from a publi... : [7]kami
    • HL2 via Steam was worth every penny. All Valve games for 60 bucks is a sweat deal. : Killrig
• im not a big steam fan , but glad to see something working to nab the pirate'ing biatches. : nxridge
• I thought Pirates of the Carribean and Hackers proved that pirates and hackers are cool? What's with all... : deadhorse

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  No , but it sure is a pain in the ass for them. No pirate group has been able to fully crack steam , all ... : sluggz
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    Actually I'm pretty SURE it's not a pain. and that this has done nothing to stop a fully working pirated ... : dilutedq
    • Heh, subtle. : deadhorse

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  I know about a year ago I remember reading that Steam wasn't going to be limited to just Valves games. ... : humpx
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    Yup, yup. I'd definitley use Steam for all future purchases if that was the problem... it could still us... : DannoHung
    • I've had nothing but a positive experience with Steam. I'd LOVE to be able to buy ALL of my future games ... : lancert

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  That's awesome :D : BanjoBoy
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    That's pretty much the definition of OWNED right there :) : jondustinlee
    • not really owned, more of a "wow how stupid can one person be" : dilutedq
• hahahah that had to feel good. : malloc
• Haha that's great : Dr Van Nostrand
• Took them 8 months to ban this guy? : R.Cade
• HAha served. : flip-flop
• Roofles! :D : inkninja
• it's just sad that some retard named it 'pwned' that shit is so lame. : grindking
• haha i love it, fucking retards. : kingdepork
• owned : Liquid

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• because if it was too long, you would have people griping about that too lol, you cant win : onji
• so true. :( : lonestar3
• listening to the soundtrack right now... It's so sweet. : rasputinreborn
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  that's where Doom 3 really shined. No corny techno, aside from that ARP 2600 loop when you find the chai : the archvile
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    I hated HL2's techno music. It was really bad and it detracted from the mood it's trying to create. But f... : Bingo
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      you guys are high.. the music was great. I was very impressed : mc-fine
      • second'd : AcesnEights

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  I don't get how that relates to anything. You assume that the people who got the source leak/beta files a... : cajuncook
  • yes, actually i do think they would. : KinetiK
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  I still remember the day the leak was announced on the shack. I recall there were nearly 4k users logged ... : packav
  • We had more when Doom3 went Gold, I think. : cajuncook
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  How does banning these steam accounts do anything, won't they just make another one and do the same thing... : nukewinter
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    which will get banned. They won't be playing half-life 2 anytime soon. : patdoody
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      cause the only way to play hl2 is to have a steam account. : dilutedq
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        the scenes version of hl2 was pretty fucked up as far as I can tell there is no proper release. There ar... : Cpt. Baseballbat
        • all sources point to your wrong anon. : dilutedq
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  more like, they woke up one day and found that the same key had been used 20,000 and they were like OH SH... : dodob
  • or maybe the saw all the links on slashdot about getting a "legit copy of HL2 free!!!" : mrtony

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  It has to unlock via Steam, once. Then you can play offline if you don't have an internet connection. : SiW73
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    What? I didn't know I could play offline? Where can I find the executable to do that? : Polysorbate
    • unplug your internet connection/disable NIC, start up steam. : YamatoTwinkie
• What the heck are you doin' stealing bandwidth anyway? : Sylvanus
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  it gives some people who bought the retail an incentive to use cracks so they dont have to plop in the cd... : ballystix
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    Well, I'm using a steam version of HL2, but I bought a retail version and used it's cd key. It still req... : crinos
    • It has do to with the fact that you are using a retail key. Steam bought versions of HL2 don't even have ... : ovrlrd

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• I sure hope so : Sidd Gunn

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  the pirates don't need an account after they cheat the system anyway so I don't really see what's accompl... : thebigbeefsandwhich
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    Then how can you explain this news? : Bingo
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      This is related to a buy-and-disconnect-when-autenticating 'crack'. : rorshack
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        Exactly, of which I'm sure 99.9% of the accounts it was attempted on didn't have any legitimate games und... : BaBOon
        • Yes, it's a flash in the bucket. And people now can say "omg steam is TEH BESTEST SECURITY AGAINST PIRACY... : rorshack
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    in that case, Valve should've shipped a broken build on the physical medium, and had the first Steam upda... : the archvile
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      This sounds good but it doesn't work. It only takes 1 paying customer to get this 'patch', then the wo... : fookilla
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        I've been wondering about ways around this problem - once someone has a bare "correct" executable anyone ... : bostrov
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          Welcome to Palladium, a.ka. TCPA, a.k.a. La Grande. : mathyou
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            ^^^ Precisely. It's what things are leading too. In theory it's good but I fear for when the protection t... : ovrlrd
            • From a producer point of view though, they're being driven to this by the preception of wide piracy. ... : bostrov

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  valve has really accomplished nothing with steam, except to add another thing to cause end users pain and... : dilutedq
  • well at last they (looks like and i sincerely hope) will reach the stakes but ironically they'll give cre... : amorpheus
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    You are such a hater.. : L0opet
    • He's one of those haterzzzzzz : Entity
• I love steam. I was able to get up Tuesday morning and unlock the game without screwing with EB Games, wi... : sgtsanity
• I like steam and have only have a few problems, just as many as I had before steam with just WON : AllYourBase
• Valve lost face? Really? When? Last I heard they had released the most kickass game ever....And btw, Stea... : glio1337
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  Doesn't this whole thing PROOOOOOVE that steam helps prevent piracy? I don't understand what you're sa... : batkiwi
  • He probably got banned. Okay maybe not but I still don't get his hate. : ovrlrd
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    wait are you serious? h elps prevent piracy? : dilutedq
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      That's ridiculous - Steam is awesome - I'd much prefer to download a hot new game like that and have it a... : TabsAZ
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        Unlike a lot of people, I'm actually not anti publisher, and I see no reason to say FU to Vivendi. The i... : dilutedq
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          helps <--- you think that it doesn't? In any way, shape or form? I think this might scare a few casu... : rasputinreborn
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            I guess. I don't know. lol. I'm going off the assumption that if someone wants to go through the trouble... : dilutedq
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              you could probably download via steam before getting the iso/crack/whatever the fuck they use, and get it... : rasputinreborn
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                well this has always been the case... buying the game and installing right then is faster than downloadin... : dilutedq
                • but downloading it even. No need to get mommy to take you to the store! :) although who knows how man... : rasputinreborn
      • the downloading function != the copy protection function. I like the downloading part too (or I would if ... : 60days
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        Amen! I had no issues with Steam. It was more convenient for me (no need to hunt around town to find a : Kresske
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          I think a lot of pushing dates on developers is to push focus on the product. If you tell them "hey when... : dilutedq
          • They sure do get it done as fast as they can when a publisher pushes a date, but at the cost of low polis... : Kresske
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      20000 pirates can no longer play the game. What are you smoking? : batkiwi
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        ?!?!?! Listen man. I'm not gonna spell it out for you. but 20,000 pirates have not been stopped. That is ... : dilutedq
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          they have been impeded. And that is a great thing. : rasputinreborn
          • well I don't knowo why anyone thought they would be able to use a cd key that was on a public website on ... : dilutedq
  • well it prevents a kind of piracy that didn't exist before steam -- using false/stolen information to dow... : mrtony

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• I'm pretty sure a different team at Valve is working on that. I don't really see how them making sure the... : sigma
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  spray and pray headshots in cs are nothing new. : camp3r
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    But they are 10x worse in CS:S - that's certainly the way it seems. : SpiderMonkey
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      Not seems, last week was seems. This week, I fucking promise that it happens too much. Strafing across ... : DraconianDevil
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        That stuff is only unfair when other people do it to you though. People never cry about getting lucky in ... : mallrice
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          Nah, last time I played CS:S there was a time when a guy opened up on me with a shotgun at point blank ra... : SpiderMonkey
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            they may be related to net code. I usually play on servers where i have 20ish ping and no loss etc, so I... : nuknuk
            • I think the difference is that in 1.6, bad net connections meant you spastically jerked around the screen... : mallrice
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      "Headshots are so easy now" comments follow every single CS update. If you read the message boards its al... : mc-fine
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        ya i noticed playing css that headshots come real easy im not even good at cs, i dont even like cs (so... : lingo
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          cs doesn't require any 'skill' outside of aiming better than the other guy. what it really comes down to... : mikecyb
          • Thats so untrue. Using sound, knowing areas of the map, knowing tricks, knowing where to go and when to g... : bozer
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  Spray and pray headshots keep the game popular and adictive. : ease_one
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    Addictive? It should be based on skill not how hard you can press the mouse button to the surface of the... : TheNiXXeD
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      i think it takes a lot more than spraying to be good. the only way to consistently get kills is to burst... : Cpt. Baseballbat
      • nonsense. It is the inverse; real skills are when you can spray full auto from a distance and still hit c... : headless
  • this is a good point too because i know if this game did require a crap load of skills it wouldnt be as ... : lingo
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  I don't think this is valves doing. I think the Euro version of HL2 you don't need the DVD it comes on i... : fad3r
  • No, you do. I bought the game in the shop, played it through at home. Installed Steam at work, grabbed ... : pingoo
• I enjoy CSS a lot and find the weapons consistent with how they fire... As far as the hitboxes and lag... : thief
• http://www.blep.net/hl2stutter/ : Fred Garvin

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• what does this have to do with anything? : dilutedq
• I would have, but that was a crudload to download on my little 30k/sec dsl. I'm still allowed to hate ... : hoonis
• the CD scan is insignificant in comparison to the "Preparing to play Half-Life 2" stage. Then again, it ... : the archvile

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• why stop there? anyone caught of any form of piracy should be subject to execution and all of their belo... : ncircle
• What if you got mistakenly pinned for piracy? So you not only lose all the keys to the games you purchas... : TheNiXXeD
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  Orrin Hatch, is that you? : sinistarfith
  • I LOL'ed, nicely played! : aavenr
• Tha wouldn't AT ALL be illegal and open Valve up for so may lawsuits it wouldn't be funny. Gabe would hav... : Evil Furby
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  yes because this would make sense. and god knows you have an actual reason to want this to happen to thos... : dilutedq
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    No, you don't go far enough. They should be wipped naked through the streets, their womenfolk violated, f... : ihya
    • as long as I'm on the team of guys who violate the people's wives. : dilutedq

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  someone? glancing at a few forum threads will show you that yes, people are that stupid. : pyide
  • Yah, people who had steam accounts that are now killed. morons : bozer
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  the only way you can get a steam account is with legit purchases : phobium
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    wut? : BaBOon
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      Sorry I should elaborate: that is totally false. : BaBOon
      • you're right : phobium
• Steam authenticates if it can, even if you put it into offline mode. They would be able to play still,... : batkiwi

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• heh, nice : h4wk
• at least get the font right. :( : pupismyname
• ugh. Groan @ wrong font and everything : DinK

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  No way to track that. Someone could goto a friends house to show them the game. : Ratalon
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    what if 2 people log in with the same cdkey? wouldn't that be pretty evident on Valve's side? : -Panther-
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      What? : snowwolf
      • doh, http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?comments=34618&9064850 : -Panther-
    • the way i see it: hl2 is attached to steam account so essentially, steam should say this user is alread... : lingo
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      one guy buys a copy, lends the cd + key to a buddy. wouldn't they get caught up in all this ban-hammering... : -Panther-
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        my guess is they would just not allow them to play at the same time. I would hope they would not ban the... : ease_one
        • Shouldn't you be able to go ofline at the office? : -TKF-
        • You don't get banned for trying to log into the same account from two different computers. Nor do you ge... : mathyou
        • From what I understand: Right now I have two copies of the game. One on my main computer, and one on ... : cajuncook
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  i believe all these people used the same cd-key. that would make it pretty suspicious ;) : ermac
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    Not really. Cd key is only registered once. Steam just happens to be logging in from different comptuer... : nuknuk
    • Yeah, that'd work just fine. That isn't the kind of mass piracy that is a huge threat to Valve though. ... : mathyou
• They banned everyone who used a certain cd-key given as part of a "guide" to trying to get HL2 to work wi... : -pRy-

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  You should be just fine- you'll create your own Steam account as part of the installation process. : mn3m0n1c
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    D'oh!, forgot to add- also, don't forget to uninstall your bud's copy first! : mn3m0n1c
    • Yeah that will be done once he builds his new PC. : ghost hacker
• Yeah I don't think Valve have gotten all nazi over small key issues, it's rather the 20,000 people who al... : -pRy-

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• futurama <3 : eskimo spy
• Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile! : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  Is there a nice way to get Half-Life 2 without paying for it? :p : Lawgiver
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    it's not about the literal quote he used, but about the tone of the valve statement reminding him of the... : eskimo spy
    • Yeah :P Hey don't look at me, I paid for the damn thing. http://sigma.shackspace.com/gman.jpg Got i... : sigma
    • that was a misreply. : Lawgiver

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• IAWTP, we need some serious anticheat lovin going down : krakhead420
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  Hey, it would'nt be CS without a Cheaters/Non-Cheaters ratio > 1 : jemafinch
  • That's why it's called CS. CHEATERS SAFE : Phreakin
• IAWTP too. : mathyou
• They seemingly have no interest in that, unfortunately. Man, I've been doing alot of Valve hate lately... : BaBOon

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• thats what i'm wondering..did they ban the mac address too or somthing? : thatguy2090
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  yeah, but i imagine they lost access to any legit games they might have bought from valve. (like cs:cz) ... : smax
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    So someone who was caught and had their account snuffed out can just register a new steam account and try... : ihya
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      Create a new account... sure. Use their payed for key again? No way. : sharkII
      • it's like revenue insurance! : the archvile
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    I dunno if they really killed any paying accounts that's just risking class action city : thebigbeefsandwhich
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      Once you break the agreement you don't have a right to stand on. : helvetica
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        of course you do if you buy something from someone. companies can't literally take away rights, they just... : thebigbeefsandwhich
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          You don't OWN the software. You own the right to use it, but if you violate the contract (EULA) you forf... : Jimbo Ro
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            yeah but has it ever been tested in court? I'd think any judge would have the common sense to say it's bu... : thebigbeefsandwhich
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              common sense != law. : Crimson
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                niether does anything a company writes down or tells you. there has to be precedent and a preponderance o... : thebigbeefsandwhich
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                  And what type of moron would bring a lawsuite over a $50-$100 game. The court costs would eat that in 10... : Jimbo Ro
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                    class action : Eratik
                    • ergo: the lawyers : Ratalon
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                      class action lawsuite of all the pirates...I'd love to see it. : Jimbo Ro
                      • Buahahaha, that would be great. : AcesnEights
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                  niether does anything a company writes down or tells you. Well, considering it is the company's lawyer : indosauros
                  • What they are doing is well within the law, however just because it is in a contract doesn't mean it is t... : Chod
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              EULA = contract = in court all the time. : Jimbo Ro
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                EULAs haven't been challenged in court yet. It is a grey area. : Eratik
                • sure they have. EULA's have been conclusively determined to be valid and enforceable like any other contr... : dragoon740
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              I'm sorry, but you're uneducated about Steam and this whole fiasco it seems. You can still play the ga... : phobium
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                but if you want to play any of them online, hl1, cs, etc you're screwed, at least it's my understanding t... : camp3r
                • You are correct. No online play. Go go gadget, CS 1.5! : mathyou
              • I'm sorry, but you are confused. if i bought HL1 and/or CS retail and registered it to my steam account : headless
        • you agree to certain things within the EULA, if you voilate the EULA they can revoke your license to a pr... : Turd Ferguson
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  pwned.. you took the word right out of my mouth. : snuff
  • Word? Is it a word? Looks like a badly misspelled exclamation to me. : TheNiXXeD

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• LoL... "It wasn't me it was my Mom." Haven't heard that one before. Lucky kids and their techno-klepto Mo... : jemafinch
• I hear that all the time too. People should just realize they need to be responsible for their account/se... : rorshack
• exactly. If your brother fucked with your shit, then beat his ass until he gives you the $50 he owes you... : SenorSpine

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• don't you get it though? can? steam? eh? wait, i don't get it : ermac

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  the sign outside of town says, "welcome to bansville. population: you" : snackula
  • Haha, nice. : helvetica
• a small city... of HOODLUMS! : h4wk

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• What if it causes aggrivation to 5000 legit customers? Not the closing of accounts, mind you, but the hur... : Halen