Half-Life 2 Sooner?

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• agreed.. : Str8Dog
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  Except one is a valid complaint and the other is pointless bitching. : insta
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    they both look like pointless bitching to me. : johnny rotten
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      Mouse and Keyboard own.. HALO was originally for PC then was xbox'd. Expect people to be happy about tha... : Pneum0
      • That's not what he's saying. He never said people should be happy about it. We all know & accept kb/mouse... : armybob
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  i dunno man, i think the activation bs is a valid complaint. : patdoody
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    it is not a valid complaint because people STEAL the game. if no one stole the game this wouldn't be h... : lukej19
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      so a guy who bought hl2 and doesnt have an internet connection, therefore wasting his money, shouldn't fe... : patdoody
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        A guy that bought hl2 and doesn't have a 3d graphics card shouldn't feel jerked around either. : bostrov
        • Exactly, requirements are on the bottom. Now, if Valve didn't put "Requires Activation for use.", then t... : jhof
        • You're just being difficult for it's own sake. Name one other FPS that requires an internet connection to : NastyJack
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          Will you shut up with that bullshit? Requiring a 3d card and an actual computer are reasonable requireme... : insta
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            It's perfectly reasonable. It's almost ridiculous that anyone has a concern about it at all. There was, b... : bostrov
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              Name another single player FPS that requires a net connection. The 3D thing is totally different. That... : NastyJack
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                Name another single person FPS that required $40 million to develop. It's a piece of software. Like windo... : bostrov
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                  Wait wait wait. Your logic is that because they spent more money they want to put in this internet connec... : NastyJack
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                    Heh. I have never played a Valve game in my life (so far as I'm aware. I've never played HL1 at least). I... : bostrov
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                      I feel sorry for the people for two reasons. One is that Valve could have probably worked around this in ... : NastyJack
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                        As someone else pointed out, the few hundred people that will be inconvenienced and therefore somewhat di... : bostrov
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                          the flaw with your argument is simple ... it will still be cracked and played. That is the flaw, given... : Nation
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                            the problem with your argument is that like many other anti-steam proponents, you're not looking at thing... : humpx
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                              They will minimize nothing. Those who were going to download and crack it before will still do so. : Ebu
                              • We shall see, so far it's doing well compared to most other games. A lot of times games show up on the n... : jhof
                  • but if they bitch and moan about it online doesnt that sort of imply they have an internet connection alr... : Yari Yashigaru
            • exactly. This crying actually amuses me. : johnny rotten
        • the difference is you don't NEED an internet connection to play a single player game. Its not a very b... : patdoody
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      Yeah and this wont stop mass piracy in the slightest and if you think otherwise you are just as naive as ... : Chod
      • It may be that the first week of sales are very important. : bostrov
    • If their server is down when I want to play a game I got from the shops, I'm going to be annoyed. Copy... : nudel
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      People steal cars and you don't have to dial 911 every time you drive, do you? : rosewood
      • On the other hand, you do have to register the car when you buy it, and pay a tax/decal/tag fee every yea... : UtilityMaximizer
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    since about 99.9999% of the users have the internet, and the contingent that will be stopped pirating due... : DonkeyPopsicle
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      and 0% of the people bitching about it on internet message boards dont have internet access, making it ev... : sexninja!!!!
      • haha, well I think there are a grand total of 2 people here that don't have internet access at home for s... : DonkeyPopsicle
      • for real.... sheesh ppl will find anything to bitch about : mc-fine
      • My only worry is that if my internet goes out (which is much more common than I'd like here at school) I'... : dltrem
• Christ for an old guy, you're still spry.... : galvatron

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• yep probally says it requires an internet connection on the box. Hope they like fine print. : thatguy2090
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  what about people who don't have 3d cards in their PC's? They're going to be fucked too.... see where... : edgewise
  • fuck it, I'm not buying it then : freakord
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    That was awesome when the first 3d card required game came out and people went bananas. : Busta J
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      heh, I remember that. LOL : cadbury
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        skill testing question: what was the name of the game? : KinetiK
        • Quake3? That's the first one I can recall, but I'm sure someone will point at me and laugh now :( : MrMethane
        • Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire for the PC, released 08/31/97, required a 3D accelerator card. : Enkidu
    • Or when the first CD only game came out. It was an X-Wing title if I'm not mistaken. : ToddBell
• I guess they are. Sucks. : Ratsofatsorat
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  It's all about the digital divide. Leaving the poh folks behind : hube
  • Yeah, all those people being denied the wonders of technology who happen to have computers fast enough to... : mathyou
• When I come home with my copy of HL2 I'm going to disconnect my net connection and see what happens when ... : MR 9000
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  Too bad; so sad. It sounds harsh but hey, you don't have Internet, you're not going to be able to play. : EvilDolemite
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    Can someone PLEASE give a final answer to if I can register it through phone? Everyone is saying no, then... : Hello Kitty
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      Nothing has been said about it AT ALL. I'd say No but its possible. : snowwolf
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        Thanks. Everyone sounds so damn confident with how it works. I'll just wait then. : Hello Kitty
        • but you're on the internet now, why the concern? : KinetiK
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      I'm going to say no, steam is needed to register and launch the game. Plus I doubt they'd put it in the s : shotgun1
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        Maybe I can install a modem in my computer, and dial into a free internet service to register. : Hello Kitty
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          Are you sure you can't share your parents broadband aol? I know linksys routers have a special setting fo... : shotgun1
          • I tried with a linksys wireless router that was compatible just before Doom3 came out and was forced to r... : Hello Kitty
        • you sure have a lot of shackposts for someone who doesnt have internet at home... : johnny rotten
    • I think I MIGHT have heard about an option to activate over the phone from a while back. I have no idea h... : sgtsanity
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  If you can afford a pretty decent system to run Half-Life 2, and buy the game, chances are you can afford... : Matt Burris
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    Bulljunk. What about laptops? People can't play the game on an AFK machine? Hopefully, after an initial... : SLUDGE^
    • All it requires is the initial checkin. I plan on fully enjoying HL2 on my widescreen laptop. : sgtsanity
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    What kind of logic is that? I saved for over a year to get my gaming computer for Doom3 and future games.... : Hello Kitty
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      Looks like your motorcycle is costing you game and Internet funds. If you're gonna use your money for th... : EvilDolemite
      • The motorcycle was a choice, yes. And lol I'm not going to pay for dial up service, ever again. I'm just ... : Hello Kitty
    • Then use a free dial-up service, or a dial-up service that you only pay for the time you use it (as oppos... : Gonnas
    • Then get your parents to use a different ISP. Or find out what you have to do for AOL to accept your MAC... : mathyou
• probably because it'll cut down on piracy, and that's worth losing the tiny gaming market without interne... : DonkeyPopsicle
• Seriously, though. Who doesn't have an internet connection? : snuff
• People should learn to read that little "Recommended Hardware and Hardware Requirements" sticker on the b... : Ajax
• As far as I'm concerned, having the Internet is like having electricity. It's an essential utility (I'd d... : Waverider
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  This is the only true solution for Piracy : byorn
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    No, this is just one way of restricting how their users may use their product. People who copy softwar... : protozone
    • nah they're just underachievers : thatguy2090
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      Okay, then "thiefs"--and I would probably fit into that catagory myself. This is their best hope for lim... : mathyou
      • You're assuming the retail version won't have a cd check... : Ebu
  • Except not : rosewood
  • Yet HL2 will almost certainly be cracked and released for warez download before release anyway. If not be... : osiris_brad
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  just a quick question, my new pc arrived and doesn't have the net yet, tho my other pc has it. I don't ne... : niceguynick
  • Hmm, that's a valid question. I suspect it will be online activation, so the gaming computer needs acces... : mathyou
  • Just put the new one online real quick, activate and the swap the connection back. It's not that complica... : Ebu
• there's an offline option. the guy who got the game said he overlooked it and thought you had to wait... ... : reverend~heresy
• My computers are ALWAYS connected. 1000x than searching CD : Neech
• Noone's making you do squat. : {Venger}

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  where do you get your 300,000 figure : AllYourBase
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    and the $40,000,000 figure : Downforce
    • Yea, really... Doom 3 was 14mill : jhof
    • and "investion" : Helter Skelter
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      The 300,000 figure I found on www.steampowered.com just after the WON shutdown phase. Apperantly that w : ToddBell
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        Average unique users per month: 1,834,906 http://www.steampowered.com/status/status.html : Jimbo Ro
        • so there is your close to 2 million figure : Jimbo Ro
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        Uuuh, you get your facts from assumption and a site that links to the "MTV Magazine" and "Entertainment W... : MadEx
        • The 300,000 number was incorrect and now I stand corrected. The $40,000,000 number isn't incorrect tho... : ToddBell
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  i SERIOUSLY doubt it cost 40 million to make this game... : voique
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    I think Gabe mentioned it in a couple of interviews. I doubt the game itself cost that much, but likely ... : GeorgeB3DR
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      yeah but Steam in the long run is gonna make that back. Also the fact that in addition to HL2, they have... : Crimsonbeak
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        I know. I was simply pointing out where I heard it. : GeorgeB3DR
        • So how much is DNF costin? How bout 1 screenshot of it? : gunrock46
• Do you know Art Bell? : Vorlonesque
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  Too bad nearly 2 million people have preloaded through steam!! http://news.com.com/Computer+gamings+Stea... : snowwolf
  • That just means that every single one of those 300,000 users has preloaded ~6.66666666666666666667 times! : yoonix
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    Holy Shit!!! That's like $100,000,000 right there LOL : ToddBell
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      There's a slim chance all 2 million are going to buy it. Preloading it != buying it : xilulus
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        ... why would you preload it if you aren't going to buy it? : ToddBell
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          Because it's cool to have an encrypted copy of HL2 on your computer! : xilulus
          • see also: I bought the Quake Shareware cd just to have the encrypted collection of id games. : roushimsx
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  From the steam website stats page: Average unique users per month: 1,834,963 So yeah, you messed up... : ResidualEffect
  • Ah well, it was an older number. I wouldn't have figured it grew by so much in a few months. I shall g... : ToddBell
  • but that doesn't mean 300,000 people bought it : AllYourBase
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  40,000,000? in your dreams.... 4 million maximum. : omontero
  • I'd venture to guess it's a bit more than that, Doom 3 was 14 million. But 40mill is a bit high. : jhof
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    I'd believe the 40 million over the 4 million. Games cost alot of money to make. 40 million sounds exc... : dmiller
    • I guess I was wrong, but not that surprised (gameslice link above). 40 million it was. : dmiller
  • Gabe said 40mill. Yes Doom was 14mill, but they did it in half the time with a team a 1/3 the size. : Senor PoopyPants
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  but 40M was for keeping valve running while they were developing it. what did HL1 sales make, and how muc... : epit
  • Exaclty. HL is still selling. That cost is for Steam, HL2, CSS and anything else they are doing. : Fred Garvin
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  Nobody here is answering my question. HOW MUCH PROFIT DO YOU THINK THEY'LL MAKE? :-p : ToddBell
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    I say they will sell 2 million in the first 6 weeks. The only problem is that we have no idea how much of... : Senor PoopyPants
    • I"m pretty sure valve has said they've funded themselves : snowwolf
    • Valve self-funded. : Gonnas
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    ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS!! Seriously, determining profit would be difficult because you don't know wh... : TwiLyght
    • Not to mention the dozen repackagings of the original game with whatever mod is hot at the time,with expa... : TheDreamDragon
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  pre-load thought: i got mine through radeon. no money spent by me! so that's one less person they got cas... : reverend~heresy
  • just because we got free HL2 vouchers, doesn't mean Valve didn't get money. ATI paid for out HL2, and we ... : adev
• A huge amount. They sell liscences for the engine too : itsjames

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  and how would you keep your game from being pirated? : MrLonghair
  • Include a viable multiplayer segment that requires a cdkey that everyone wants to play like CS? : ghost in my shell
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    I wouldn't assume that all my customers are thieves. : Bagpuss
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      Given that this game has been delayed a year (more or less) because Valve got haxored and the source was ... : Merconium
      • *be fucking clueless : Merconium
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    Well, here is a tip.. i would not let them download a near complete copy of my game from my own server on... : -TKF-
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      They'd have to decrypt the Cache (It's not just a naked hl2.exe in that folder), then make a patch that b... : jhof
      • AFAIK, it hasn't been done yet, which is a pretty good indication that it isn't easy. : mathyou
  • as if the activation is not going to be cracked. Just check the amount of hacked steam clients playing C... : moshman
  • are you serious? photoshop requires activation. 'nough said. : [fry]
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  I agree. They should at least let you be able to phone it in like WindowsXP's activation crap at the mini... : TK-421
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    uhh they do. : VegasX
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      Show me then. : TK-421
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        uggh dont be stupid, Doug Lombardi already verified that you do not necessarily need an internet connecti... : VegasX
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          lol.. you sure proved me wrong. : TK-421
          • trust me if I could find the interview I would. it was very short and done by one of the popular HL news ... : VegasX
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  I did not know you had to have the internet to play HL2. : Nation
  • It's in the minimum system requirements. : shotgun1
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  yeah, I mean who here has internet access anyways? : Dimmona
  • I'm upgrading to it after christmas. : yourname00
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  but it's NOT GOING TO FUCKING WORK! Jesus, CS: S was leaked and was working day one. Every patch has ... : critch
  • It'll work if the retail HL2 doesn't include the exe. : yourname00
  • connecting to the net is jumping throuhgh a hoop? : Jimbo Ro
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    People have been complaining that people who downloaded it can play on retail servers. : zefucb
    • there is a seperate patch that enables that..don't ask me how i know though ;) : mattfl
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    Its not going to work in the absolute sense of stopping piracay dead, no of course not. But it WILL redu... : johnny rotten
    • It'll stop pirates getting hold of it before release date, there's always going to be pirates but if Valv... : yourname00
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    Whatever. The two sides feed each on other. The pirates claim they only crack games to protest the copy p : Ajax
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      You believe that pirates only crack games as a form of political protest? You don't think the masses of f... : Mugsy
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        Well yeah, I know that also plays a role, but you'll seldom if ever hear them say that. : Ajax
        • I wonder if we'll get to the point of hardware copy protections - or rather moving some of the software f... : bostrov
• I know, I hope they don't give any gigantic Operating System developers any ideas. : snuff
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  I can't believe that to play single player you'll have to activate online. That just seems stupid. It's... : DinK
  • I'm with you. And the fact is that lots of companies will probably look up to Valve and their successes a... : te[R]ror
  • 100000x better than looking for that fucking CD : Neech
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  Will I be able to install it both on my PC and my laptop? And more importantly, if my HD dies...what wil... : Vorlonesque
  • Log onto steam. : JHelgie
• the guy said there's an offline option he missed. so you can play it without being connected. : reverend~heresy
• my cooldown ban is over. Now it's time to post some hardcore nudity . .... to errr make my original point... : _NIX