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• Everyone knows San Fran zoo is the best in the nation. Vote for them. : mojoald
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  yes, mom. I've finished, can I got out and play now? : ZeroSignal
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    You have done your patriotic duty. Have some cookies and milk, then go play. :) : sHugamom
    • Yay! : ZeroSignal
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  What part of Fort Worth is the zoo in? I spent some time there about a year and a half ago for this comp... : pres589
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    It's right next to the Botanic Gardens (Forest Park) and valley of the Trinity River, close to TX Christi... : sHugamom
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      Probably why I didn't see it, we mostly spent time downtown and in the industrial area that I want to say... : pres589
      • I'm sorry you missed it. Next time you're here, let me show you around. I'd be happy to. : sHugamom
• done :) : davislovestacobell
• why is the dallas zoo on the list? it sucks. Fort Worth Zoo voted for!! i really hope Grapevine gets th... : kbnerd
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  Since the Bronx Zoo isn't there... Ft. Worth it is! : CA Flynn
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    Haha, that's what I thought too. For animal behavior class in high school, we went to the zoo every day t... : Portax
    • The Bronx Zoo, that is. : Portax
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  Why no Omaha Zoo?!? : sgtsanity
  • no kidding, its probably top 5 : a sasquatch
  • I know, I was going to vote for it! Oh well, I'll help sHugamom out :D : khaosman
• FW zoo is rulez. I've been there and its an awesome place. : boomstickah
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  Our local zoo (Gladys Portoer Zoo) has been a top 10 (usually 8th) zoo for as long as i can remember. : nurall
  • oh yea, Brownsville tx : nurall
• Hi mom, how are you doing tonight? : huds0n
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  Oh c'mon... like any of you have a chance against San Diego... : Dimmona
  • oh snap, it's not even on the list pinko commies : Dimmona
  • sHugamom has a pretty good chance when guys outside of the US vote for whatever she tells them to :) : ZeroSignal
• Thank y'all for your help. I understand that if YOUR zoo is listed, you have to vote for yours *sigh* bu... : sHugamom
• Done and done. : dltrem
• VOTED'D : byorn
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  Since my favorite zoo was not on there, FW zoo got my vote. : rosewood
  • This is how presidents are elected. Yay for FW default! : sHugamom
  • Likewise here! : Helter Skelter
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  what? No San Diego or DC zoos? : lee majors
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    Yeah, San Diego Zoo & Wild Animal Park > *.zoo I was really surprised when I didn't see it on the list. : WorkParticle
    • The Wild Animal Park is great. The wife and I have San Diego Zoological Society memberships so we can jus... : Holesinswiss
  • yeah wtf! hatahs! : jigstah
• i've never been to the fw zoo but im going today, i just need to sleep : X-GOUKI
• I voted a biajillion times. sHugamom will love me more : AllYourBase
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  I voted for Oklahoma City zoo & botanical gardens, because that's my city. : Maddog_Delphi97
  • sHugamom hates you now. : AllYourBase
• Austin has a zoo?! : cyb0rgninja
• done - anything for sHugamom. :D : virus
• I voted for the cleveland zoo cause jesus they probably need as much money as they can to convince animal... : alexthegreat2
• Cleveland Zoo kicks ass. Probably the best thing in the town. : Squirrely
• I could really used $25,000 so I voted for my zoo. ;) I need to improve my habitat. : mr3dmax
• Voted! (Do votes from Canadian ip's count? hehe) : Psychic Potato
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  Consider it done. (How's the DDR practice going, btw? ;) : Balboa
  • Hehehe, ShugaMom playing DDR. This I gotta see. If sTeve has to pose for pics as a monkey, she should pos... : Githyanki
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  Where is the Bronx Zoo?! >:( : jwnin
  • NYC : drucifer
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  Voted for Fort Worth since Bronx isn't on the list. :P : yoonix
  • yeah i looked for it too :) ( voted for FW ) : sigma
• No National zoo? :( : skynet
• Those gorillas better get bananas! : laidback
• Haha if you say so, voted. : askedrelic
• I feel dirty, but I voted. Now I'll have to visit there sometime. :) : SeaLlama
• done and done... : Jayx77
• Kansas City Zoo isn't on there :( But it stinks anyways. : c0bra
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  hey cool.. i have a zoo trip planned for sunday at the dallas zoo :D : nico2
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    fort worth zoo >>>>>>> Dallas zoo so go to ft worth instead. : kbnerd
    • they shoot gorillas at the dallas zoo :( : siknsyko
• RIGGED - fuckers didn't include San Diego cuz they knew it was the best. : PUPSTAHS
• Voted, the Ft Worth zoo beats the heck out of the Dallas one! : haokah
• Sorry, but the Oregon Zoo was listed. :( : filtersweep
• I've never been to any on the list so Ft. Worth got my vote. : RAMDrive
• OKC Zoo is on the list and it's an great zoo, sorry mom. btw, UT is OU's bitch : jiggawhat

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  Needs more Camino. Sorry, but Safari and OS X Firefox both blow. Camino beats all of them. : Thresher
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    Already emailed anand and suggested he give Camino a whirl. : Toraz Chryx
    • Looks like there will be a new version around the first of the year. : Thresher
• poor guy :( must be a slow month :( hehe : Downforce
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  If Apple had a clue, they'd take that article and rectify every issue he had a problem with. : SlimJim
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    Apple only has two issues. Price, and Price. Fix that and Market share will adjust instantly. I won't ... : Slowtreme
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      Apple has an issue with price, but it's not the price of what they sell.. it's what they don't sell. ... : Toraz Chryx
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        I've been saying that for some time. The problem is that Apple doesn't compete in the low end. They d... : Thresher
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          but they could, that's the part that annoys me, they could put something out at a similar pricepoint to t... : Toraz Chryx
          • If Apple were serious about this Switch thing from last year, why would they sell computers that don't al... : Thresher
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    1) He IS wrong on the pricing front at least as far as the UK goes, I did a priceup a while ago and a 2Gh : Toraz Chryx
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      Look at MS. They've been releasing high quality games for a while. I do agree that Apple's high end st... : DKo5
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        How about a G5 imac (on specs) sans screen for $799 in a box like http://chryx.shacknet.nu/flatmac.png ... : Toraz Chryx
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          I'm sure they'd sell a metric butt-ton of those in approx. 14 seconds. : DKo5
          • how does a metric butt-ton differ from a standard (US measure) butt-ton? : kbnerd
        • Needs more "cube", but yeah, I'd buy it. I won't give up this iMac G5 to get it, though : BulletPro
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      >80% of people don't buy high end systems. You can't buy a "mid end" apple desktop for $500. : batkiwi
      • http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8729250 I'm 100 posts ahead of you :) : Toraz Chryx
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      When will 10.4 be out? : nomaad
      • first half '05 : Toraz Chryx
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      A dualy opteron gig will smack the living shit out of that G5 rig. Look, I am about as Mac friendly as y... : rosewood
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        It's task dependent you goon. for integer heavy maths, Opteron wins for latency bound operations, Opt : Toraz Chryx
        • Go for it. Go high and go midrange. USD please as I am from the USA and thus all things revolve around m... : rosewood
  • My experience is very slim on Macs, but I was floored by the fact you could not sort folders to the top o... : Scrimbo Obeer
• nice article, A+ : pizzaknymp
• I would always make fun of my Mac friend because he was playing Wolfenstein while I was playing Doom - it : the archvile
• Great article. I learned a lot about OSX that I've never heard people touch on before. : renegade732
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  Wow, OSX looks alot like an opensource desktop now. KDE with some other stuff thrown in. : crazywigga
  • pfft. : pres589
  • certainly chews up as much RAM as KDE. : the archvile
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  good article, i have to disagree with the mail app.. that was probably one of the worst mail program's i'... : tomatoactivator
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    IDAWTP mail.app > * : Toraz Chryx
    • Seamless account "merging" is a feature in my mind. Now if I could only configure it so I can send email ... : BulletPro
  • IADAWTP - I switched from Entourage (sp?) to mail about 3 hours ago. Entourage was slow as shit on my ibo... : surround
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  mac user here, so it was great to read his experience with OSX. disagreed with his review of ms office... : kramweil
  • Yes, he was saying Office sucks for Mac compared to the PC version, and it sucks compared to other non-of... : Zero|DPX
• very good read : nolram
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  bump it up to a 9800pro or better and I am sold. : ghost hacker
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    Well, the new models: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=PowerMac ...ha... : Zero|DPX
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      You could always BTO 9800XT or 6800DDL : radicus
      • right, I was only referring to what comes without paying $$$ extra :( : Zero|DPX
  • http://ati.com/products/radeon9800/radeon9800prome/index.html I just upgraded to this on my G4 setup. ... : jason bergman
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  whos the traitor mod that informatived this evil propaganda? >:( : sexninja!!!!
  • it was you wasn't it : Toraz Chryx
• most uninteresting interesting article ever. : Luminair
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  There were some things I disagree on: 1) you can drag images from your web browser onto an IM client or... : surround
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    3) There are such things for the Mac as well you know. http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx/ : Toraz Chryx
    • more like http://fink.sourceforge.net/ am i rite? : fatman
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  only thing keeping me from buying a mac is the lack of games. : jrsX
  • same here :) : red2lucas
  • it's not really an argument against the MAC then an argument for the PC. You know what you get so it's fu... : rookieone
• They've got a price/image problem. Their image is that they make computers for average people who get con... : Kryn

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• Masters of Magic, Zork, Snookie, Blue Max? I used to really love C=64 games. : mr3dmax
• cup and ball : Boxelder
• Zork I-II&III, Contra... : BanjoBoy
• Hmm. MULE!!!! That's my all time favorite. Then probably Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.. Infocom ad... : Tripps
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  Syndicate. but to go back to the REALLY old school, does anyone remember Motezuma's Revenge or Bruce ... : judoka2
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    Aw Hell yeah! Karateka and Way of the Exploding fist! I really like Montazuma's revenge too. : mr3dmax
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      Karateka kicked all sorts of ass. : roushimsx
      • Ever try to fight the princess at the end? : xstatik
  • Oh hell yeah.. I had Bruce Lee on my Atari 800XL and Montezuma's Revenge.. Good games.. Remember Alter... : Tripps
• i had a lot of fun with zzt, back in the day. Also, i loved the space quest games. : mindmann
• Karateka and Rescue Raiders for the Apple IIc : godhatingatheist
• Syndicate... aint no doubt about it.... yeah and theme park : gummijoh
• Wintersports, Lotus Challenge and some more on the AtariST : rookieone
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  PC only, 1992-1997 Twinsen's Adventure/Little Big Adventure. I was a pretty rabid Legend of Zelda fan : roushimsx
  • Men you are reminding me of games long forgotten. LBA was helluva cool game. Both X-Wing and Tie Fight... : gummijoh
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    omg I love you :( : freak!
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      Let's cuddle and play Sweet Home :( : roushimsx
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        I really need a Famicom so I can play it as intended. I think I wanna buy another copy of the game. :( : freak!
        • Come over to my place and we can play it on either my fami or on my bootleg fami :( : roushimsx
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    oh, and to rekindle an old debate , Wing Commander > X Wing Wing Commander II > Tie Fighter As much... : roushimsx
    • wing commander was the shit, yo! : Fraxxxi
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    interstate 76 was the shit. i loved modding my car and playing the long jump maps. doing drag races etc. ... : ergh
    • Just grab the demo and relive the badassity of dicking around in that super badass game :( : roushimsx
• I got Bubble Bobble for my GBA (both the classic one and a remake) and it's tons of fun! :) But a lot ... : SilverSnake
• Marble Madness. : flip-flop
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  I played through Under a Killing Moon and Pandora Directive about 10 times each. I've made many posts ... : freak!
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    can you go back? i loved under a killing moon , i really enjoyed it when i played it all those years ag... : eyegeegeewhy
    • I played through UaKM about 2 months ago. They were as a good as I remember them being. No game has u... : freak!
    • I played through Pandora Directive again about 2 years ago and it was every bit as excellent as it was wh... : roushimsx
• The Incredible Machine : Fraxxxi
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  TIE Fighter and Ultima Underworld. thred ovah : DinK
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    omg are you me ? : systatic
    • you tell me! : DinK
  • Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 were great! I still have the original cd and I played them with dosbox not too ... : ergh
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  Wizardry and Choplifter. On my Apple ][. : Fyunch Click
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    don't forget Bruce Lee : drucifer
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      oh, and Karateka : drucifer
      • I was just playing this in a flash game the other day. : Slowtreme
      • and Spy Hunter : qwpeoriu
• X-Com Apocalypse is gold. : Poor Yurik
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  Lunar Lancer on my Mac SE : Slowtreme
  • dammit: lander : Slowtreme
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  citadel on the bbc micro stunt car racer and lotus esprit turbo challenge on the amiga colonization too : inchwide
  • and how could i forget sensible soccer and dogfight : inchwide
• civ 2 all the way! : allowat76
• Pirates! : Mad Brahmin Disease
• Dune Amiga 2000 : cap n KRUNCH
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  Dark Sun. : Ebu
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    Hmm, changing my answer to Al-Quadim : Ebu
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      No, back to Dark Sun. : Ebu
      • Flip-Flopper! : cap n KRUNCH
• Putt Putt Goes To The Moon : jcutner
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  Lemmings http://193.151.73.87/games/lemmings/ : surround
  • \m/ rawk \m/ - awesome link. : ZeroSignal
  • Noooo, urge to play...rising! : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  Amiga - Ports of Call PC - Sierra Adventure Games (I love all of them, but probably Police Quest is my f... : ZeroSignal
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    in case you didn't have the link yet http://www.back2roots.org/News/Find/?find=sierra UnF UnF UnF : roushimsx
    • jesus, there is a lot there. I've actually been buy a few of them off ebay. Picked up the Police Ques... : ZeroSignal
• mechwarrior 2 and total annihilation (TA of which i still play today) : hobosapien
• Speedball 2 and Loom for the Amiga 500 were two games I really miss. : -efx-
• Defender. And I still suck big time at it. : mactu
• Starcraft:Brood War PC Quake 1 PC Marble Madness : Jayx77
• Sundog: Frozen Legacy : jimmy-buffett
• flightmare! : GloriousCow
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  DOOOOOM : lonestar3
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    Not old school enough : Ebu
    • so, you have an untypical definition of "oldskool", eh?! : lonestar3
• bubble bob played on a 486/dx : jono181
• Nethack. Doom. : Arcanum
• Might and Magic 2 through 5, the X-Com games, Mission Force: Cyberstorm, MOO 1 and 2 : Magitek
• Crusader, DOOM : sexninja!!!!
• Tetris DX, Tetris Attack. : Entity
• Sierra adventure games, LucasArts adventure games. : Bull
• WonderbOy III: The Dragon's Trap. One of the first console games that gave you alot of neat RPG eleme... : cyb0rgninja
• The original Pool of Radiance. What an awesome game that was. It had the scope of a modern RPG, with lots : UtilityMaximizer
• Ultima VII and wing commander: privateer. Ultima VII and Deus Ex are tied for the best games ever. : kbnerd
• ring king for NES (arcade version was better of course) : busdriver3030
• Duke Nukem 3D : dognose
• Pong : vrocket
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  Dude, Digger. Played this on a 4MHz Kaypro PC sometime in the 80's. A version is available for new mach : rpdillon
  • OMG Kaypro was my first computer! I had that and a game called Whumps. : BongSlayerB
• XCOM : Ziggurat
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  Kyrandia series! and Syndicate : mankeroo
  • i just love the art and pixel asthetics of the sierra/westwood vga adventure games... : mankeroo
• Elite, Karateka, Frogger : moshman
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  Ascendancy. I haven't tried it since I started using xp, but I loved this turnbased space strateg game. ... : aaarrrgh
  • I remember that the graphics and basic mechanics of that game were great, but had some really glaring fla... : Magitek
• Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Quest For Glory 1-3, Kings Guest 5, Space Quest 1, and Xcom UFO d... : LucyLuBot
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  How many times have I answered this question? Sam & Max, Full Throttle, Day of the Tentacle, Old Kings Q... : felicia
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    they're all cool too. all the lucasarts games are still available on CD, picked up Sam and Max/Day of t... : ZeroSignal
    • Speaking of Grim Fandango, I think I'll go play it! : felicia
• did you really have to create this thread? now i'm going to think all day about when most games were good... : jrsX
• Wizardry. I think me and my brother invented "harvesting" before the term even existed. Ah, so many hour... : TakoChimp
• donkey kong country 2 : itsjames
• Full Throttle : ArbyBean

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• Second Presidential debate. Third debate if you count the VP one. : Phreakin
• TWO ENTER, ONE LEAVES : fugu124
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  I think tonight might be interesting since it is pretty easy to take a question anywhere. We all know th... : rosewood
  • I think Bush is gonna be good at this. He has experience at appealing to the American people by mentioni... : cajuncook
• Whoever wins... we...aw, fuck it. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  i already turned mine off! :] : Mansmells
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    Well, with the last two debates, we had just the one informative thread for everyone to spam up and post ... : rosewood
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      rosewood and politics is a potentially explosive mixture... so, what's on your mind that's dying to be... : Downforce
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        This debate. We had a great political thread earlier today that we were able to clear up a lot of crap. ... : rosewood
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          can you recant what the crap was, and how it was cleared up? : Downforce
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            THIS MORE THAN ONE INTERNET? WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED? : silent prophet
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              You can expect R's to mention "Internet 2" in the next days in response to that awkward statement :) h... : rasputinreborn
              • Yeah, Bush is a wily one. Always two levels above us. : silent prophet
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  they are both stupid, they should be playing CS:S for the rights to declare the victor of the debates. ... : Downforce
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    Watch this headshot! : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • And if you look on The Drudge Report, they're saying Kerry was using an aimbot. Scandal! : BrodieMan
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  Badnarik needs to be in there >:( : monohydrate
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    Wasn't Perot in debates? Seriously - I agree with this post. : rosewood
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      Anyone remember his running mate- Admiral Stockdale (stockdone? something like that). Man, that was a ... : fugu124
      • ping pong! : sexninja!!!!
      • poor guy. in all other aspects he was a remarkable American, yet he didn't do well on TV and was crucifie... : edgewise
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    that's something I've been wondering.. why aren't all candidates included in a debate? Is a debate consid... : Megara9
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      The Debates Commission has a criteria those who want to participate have to meet: http://www.debates.org/... : Portax
      • gotcha, thanks :) : Megara9
      • and guess who runs the 'debates commision....gop and dems and guess who doesnt want 3rd parties....gop... : sexninja!!!!
• I'd like to knock Joyce Cleamer's head off with a shovel. : Poor Yurik
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  Watching O'Reilly - Kerry's to be national security advisor is a black woman. Dr. Rice. How would you... : rosewood
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    wha? where did you hear that. : veggie
    • She was on the ol television. Okay, she may not be NAMED that officially but her current job is HIS nati... : rosewood
  • Haha... Bush just hijacked the opportunity for an intelligent follow-up question for the sake of total n... : myLeftTesticleofFury
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  anyone for bush bingo? http://www.democrats.org/debates/bingo.html : Morgin
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    I just ran that off as a PDF and will be marking it. I suggest we all play! : rosewood
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      it would be a good drinking game : Morgin
      • I wish I had something to get drunk with. I'd imagine this would be tons more interesting if I could get... : cajuncook
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      PS - I am also marking it for Kerry although slightly modified. Very slightly modified because all my sq... : rosewood
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        thats the plus for this election! Whoever wins, just pretend its the other guy and all your problems are ... : Morgin
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          Sadly I find that to be true in rhetoric BUT not in facts : rosewood
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            i dont believe there are really any facts left about this election. Kerry would be just as bad as bush... : Morgin
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              But we are still playing Bingo, right? Watch the PRL! : rosewood
              • im at work so i have to play sober, but im def. playing bingo if someone finds me a stream : Morgin
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    As a Bush Suporter I encourage everyone to get a Bush Bingo Card! Call out Bingo when you get a bingo. : rosewood
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      awright! Printing now! : cajuncook
      • I printed to Office Image Writer. I am going to put a dot above the phrase if its bush, below if its Ker... : rosewood
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  My TV is still in the shop...is there a stream anywhere? : radicus
  • www.cspan.org : Poor Yurik
• http://www.npr.org/ to hear it streaming live : sexninja!!!!
• I wanna know what they say when those idiots are clapping. Shush. : rosewood
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  OMG Kerry is taller. pwnage!! : DoubleAught()
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    Looks like Bush is wearing Dr. Scholl's(sp?) inserts. : MeenMunky
    • nah, he's definitely gellin' : qwpeoriu
• lol Kerry is already through roundhouses. : Clay
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  i actually have a few friends there . . . : jedi_27
  • I missed some of the previews...how did they determine that they were soft voters/undecided? were they qu... : cap n KRUNCH
  • I was hoping to see you there in a shack shirt =( : google
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  Wait - that WMD thing - wtf does that have to do with the question? : rosewood
  • srsly? : DoubleAught()
  • since when do politicians answer the questions theyre asked? : sexninja!!!!
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  You've got to be consistent EVEN IF YOU'RE WRONG. yeahbaby! : DoubleAught()
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    these guys shouldn't laugh at each other : Mansmells
    • misreply'd :( : Mansmells
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  let me tell you STRAIGHT UP! : myfasha
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    wasnt that a paula abdul song? :( : sexninja!!!!
    • STRAIGHT NOW tell do you really wanna love me forever? oh oh oh Or am I caught in a hit and run? : myfasha
  • ...three snaps in a z-formation! : My Documents
• Kerry Forgot Poland again :( : rosewood
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  bush simply is not a good public speaker. thanks for pre-empting THIRD WATCH stupid networks :( : OverBurN
  • Woot! Kerry's answer about sanctions was the best answer I've heard him give! Bush was grinning like an i... : flibble2k
  • no, he's a POOR public speak. downright awful. : Clay
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  heh. Kerry wins Iraq debate. Yeesh : Clay
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    that was a good point he just made there, about the sanctions (i think he said sanctions) worked cuz ther... : OverBurN
    • But the sanctions were not fully in place because of the oil for food program corruption : rosewood
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  they should just have a cage match to settle this and skip over all the drama : sexninja!!!!
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    and the broken record that is Bush begins again.... : DoubleAught()
    • and the broken record would totally slice kerry's left arm off!!! misreply :D : DoubleAught()
• I keep waiting for Kerry to slam down his microphone and say: "Yo! Peace out!" and walk off the stage... : Thresher
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  Why are they both afraid to confront the Jon Titor issue? : sexninja!!!!
  • I don't know, but the moderator better fucking bring it up. : Sexpansion Pack
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    jon titor issue? enlighten a canadian :) : OverBurN
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      John Titor is real and his prophecies true. : sexninja!!!!
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        Also, he touched your junk liberally. : king_darius
        • He certainly did :( : sexninja!!!!
      • John Titor... a way of life. : My Documents
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        Did Bush just say "on the internets"? : Thresher
        • yes. :( : feek
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  Jeezus, these guys are going at it hammer and tongs. This is fucking disgusting. Bush is distorting t... : Thresher
  • eh? : tension
• GEORGE W. BUSH vs. JOHN KERRY FIGHT! SECRET COMBOS: IRAQ: U D L L R D TAX CUTS: R L D U FLIP F... : coldfusioncs
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  Now is the time for Kerry to stand up and say: "Mr President, I knew Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was... : Thresher
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    If he says that he is a Liar. He is on the record talking about how much he doesnt like ol ronnie. : rosewood
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      Doesn't the word "politician" imply "liar"? : Thresher
      • Agreed. It's under Politician; see also "Liar, p. 451." : coldfusioncs
• Wtf ammo dumps is he talking about? : rosewood
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  oh so its the fault of the generals there a mess in iraq? nothing is ever bush's fault. :/ pass the bu... : smax
  • Bush took the buck, kerry said it was bush's fault not for listening to the generals. Hello? : rosewood
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  SO far bush is getting his butt kicked around. Maybe his reciever isn't working? : Jimbo Ro
  • At least he is answering questions : rosewood
  • OMG a rumor on the internets! I want a second internet :( : Jimbo Ro
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  Bush and his perpetual smirk annoys me. Kerry (and Edwards) thumb-on-fist gesture annoy me too. : Nixx2004
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    Oh yeah, and we 'beat' Russia without going to war twice. LickBush sucks. : Nixx2004
    • Lick Bush in 2004 Dang enter key made the last post go before I was ready. : Nixx2004
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  holy shit, just answer the goddamn answer Kerry.. he goes back to the same point against Bush for EVERY Q... : lakren
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    er, answer the question. : lakren
    • you are clearly not fit for office. : Boxelder
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    yeah i just said that to my wife. he finally got around to it, but it was still pot-shots at bush : Clay
    • TELL POLAND! : badrocket
  • yeah wtf? he's not even close on this one : magila
  • rumors on the internets : cap n KRUNCH
  • Bush vs. Gibson! Fight! : sgtsanity
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  For the last time, G-Dubb, it's pronounced: NEW-clear NOT NOOK-YOO-LER P.S. Please don't shout into... : coldfusioncs
  • Hes emotional and if you watched the last debates you would know he has finally fixed that little one. ... : rosewood
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  RUMORS ON THE INTERNETS!! : Mansmells
  • which one? there are so many! : GloriousCow
  • lol over here. that damn internets : hunterkiller
  • HAHA, I just spurted coffee through my nose : smax
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    HAY GUYS WHATS GOING ON IN THIS INTERNET? : cap n KRUNCH
    • WHICH ONE???? : Mansmells
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    oh dear god, there's more than one!?!?!?! : thekidd
    • theres The Shack, and then theres everythign else >:( : sexninja!!!!
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  what are the internets? : Clay
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    al gore created a new one. : draconic
    • Goddamn, beat me to it. ;) : coldfusioncs
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  lolz, "rumors on the intarnets" : Languid_Heap
  • LOL : jhof
• ALERT THE INTERNETS !!! : Poor Yurik
• i hear there's rumors on the internets : badrocket
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  Oh SHI, did Bush just pluralize "Internet"? Holy shit, haha... : EvilDolemite
  • BTW he's doing MUCH better in this debate. : EvilDolemite
  • I have 2 internets in my fridge... : Nighthavvk
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  lol@internets +1 point for making fun of himself Bush : rosewood
  • Buhahha.. I'm gonna go pick me up an internet on the way home from work today.. ahhaha : Hiro
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  Also, Dubbya, there ain't no "H" in PENINSULA. Why you gotta be yelling at me, G Dubb? : coldfusioncs
  • hwhitehouse! : 60days
  • and how do you run "fassel" ? : Clay
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  Did Bush just say fassle? : dltrem
  • yeah, im confused : OverBurN
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    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=facile&r=67 ? : slax0r
    • That word is too big for him. : dltrem
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  Did Bush just say fastile like Fast + Agile? : CrimsonHandHiro
  • Fassle like tassle? An Army of cheerleaders! Tassles for all! : coldfusioncs
• its stupid because it was a dem who was touting around that draft bill aynway. yet they blame bush for it... : sexninja!!!!
• phew, he didn't forget poland : GloriousCow
• ohhh bush is getting mad! DONT FORGET POLAND : OverBurN
• Looks like Bush has just broken the rules. : Thresher
• Moderator just got served by Bush : lord cecil
• BUSH SNAPS. he remembered poland!!!! : DoubleAught()
• BUSH FORGOT AUSTRALIA! : flibble2k
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  HAHA... Bush hijacked it again!!!! : myLeftTesticleofFury
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    he's goign to start throwing punches soon i know it : fluke
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      A-B-B-A-A-A!! COMBO BREAKER!!!! : king_darius
      • Hahaha. : dltrem
    • My money is on Kerry, he's got a longer reach. : Thresher
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  POLAND FOR GREAT ALLIANCE JUSTICE : moz
  • MOVE ALL WARSAW : sexninja!!!!
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  I liked Kerry's line about Missouri being behind only the US and UK in manpower if everyone there went to... : coldfusioncs
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    The coalition is a joke in terms of man-power : OverBurN
    • DONT FORGET POLAND !!!! : mallrice
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  WHAT BACK DOOR DRAFT?! I like it when Bush gets mad. I could be wrong but damn it I want him to get p... : rosewood
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    bush has kerry saying 'nucular' too now : smax
    • misreply : smax
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    Did you see him sitting on his chair looking blankly and blinking like mad? I think Bush is slowly goi... : Thresher
    • That's actually the symptoms of head meds. : Hiro
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    GEORGEBUSH SMASH I do admit that this debate is more interesting to watch :D : Magitek
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      Bush was immature on too many domestic issues. He was awful in defending his environmental record. He was... : pizzaknymp
      • misreply : pizzaknymp
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  um, is it just me, or does kerry not state his "better plans and ideas" ever? he always says that he has ... : lakren
  • neither side has stated any specifics. That's because getting specific is nothing but a losing strategy.... : rasputinreborn
  • i've yet to hear his plans. but they are better! : Clay
  • I agree. : dltrem
  • If he mentioned them, Bush would come and steal them : snuff
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    his plans are "hell get more countries to join".....but how? and then when asked how its like "well be ni... : sexninja!!!!
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      he's going to offer them MERCURY subscriptions and WoW accounts : moz
      • fuck badnarik! im in the kerry camp now : sexninja!!!!
    • gonna rename freedom fries back to french fries. : Clay
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  Does it seem like Bush is just pretending to write stuff down? 2 letters at a time, etc... : myLeftTesticleofFury
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    I really think he is. kerry was staring at bush while he was talking, and bush kept looking at him, un... : thekidd
    • This Canadian tylenol is giving me AIDS :( : Boxelder
  • thinking the same thing. : badrocket
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  lol, the look on Bush's face screams "Barely controlled rage" : edgewise
  • every cut away makes me giggle : Clay
  • I like it! : rosewood
• wow, the commentary on here is really better than listening to the debate :( : thekidd
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  he said it ... NU-cu-lar : PapaBoo
  • Bring correct pronunciation to the White House! : coldfusioncs
• haha, the cameras are having a great time trying to keep him facing the camera : enigmatic
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  how long is this damn thing : sexninja!!!!
  • 90 minutes I think. : dltrem
• Bush is going to smack him in the head with a mic. : felicia
• I love bush with his 30 countries in his alliance... oh wow, 10 people here, 15 people there. Kerry then ... : arutay
• HAHA... Moderator swapped when/if like kerry almost did the first time... : myLeftTesticleofFury
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  beat the terrorists by spreading freedom? HUH : badrocket
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    THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM!!! sometimes i think bush would make a good comic book writer. : smax
    • its terrifying how dehumanised 'the enemy' has become to most people. They're all the same, they're al... : 60days
  • spreading peanutbutter is the only way to win. : rasputinreborn
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  How are Canada drugs safer? : rosewood
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    bush is talking through his ass. he's basically saying that canadian drugs are bad... fuck man we all kno... : OverBurN
    • But what I dont get is that I can go buy these dugs. How has the President stopped it? Its slated to ge... : rosewood
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  Yes cuz Canada is a third world country. Our drugs are bad... : OverBurN
  • LOL. : tension
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    I dont think that but its true that companies have been busted for selling canada drugs that arent really... : rosewood
    • who said the drugs are safer? the guy asking the question? All i hear was bush saying that he basical... : OverBurN
    • It could be we have pickier laws about the types of pharmaceuticals we allow in the country. That's just ... : tension
• fucking canadian drugs! : moz
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  Who is winning at this point, i just got back? : mojoald
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    depends on who you ask. I think kerry is though : thekidd
    • Bush is looking okay, better then last time. But jesus Kerry is on a terror. : mojoald
• Better watch out, us Canadians will kill you with pharmecuticals! : Kinopio
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  OMG third-world nations are POSING as Canada! good thing they forgot about poland : sgtsanity
  • That slogan is going to make another great t-shirt. I wonder what he'll come up with for the thrid one. G... : Tincan
• where is Miz-errrrr-ah? : PapaBoo
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  WATCH OUT for the drugs from the third world, lololol : arutay
  • counterfiet perscription drugs is actually a really big problem. esp those bought from other countries/th... : sexninja!!!!
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  Did Kerry just say idear? : cltcprd
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    Yes. It may have been a bush impression, or just a missourian-iowan accent. : sgtsanity
    • it's a massachusetts thing .. it's pretty common for people to say that here : Mansmells
• Bush just sits there with a blank look on his face, mouth slightly agape, blinking like mad. I'm telli... : Thresher
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  You know, Kerry seems really prepared for this thing. like when he pulled that comment about the quest... : thekidd
  • ya, i was thinking. he must have memorzied a TON of info while preparing for the job. : unfukwitable
• That was a pretty weak answer on "OMG Canadian drugs" from Bush : flibble2k
• Bush is lucky Canadians cant vote lol : cap n KRUNCH
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  DEAR GOD what accomplshments has he accomplished?!? Oh nos, he actually did accomplish something! : sgtsanity
  • This is a fun debate, when do they lower the cage? : ZoroasterD
• ooooh damn, Bush doesn't know how to balance the budget : PapaBoo
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  oh snap the gloves are comin off from both sides : sexninja!!!!
  • coming off? they started off with kerry's first response : Clay
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    I'm hoping for some man-on-man action. I'm getting bored. : moz
    • this healthcare garbage is boring me. : Clay
    • I think Bush is the kind of guy to take a squirt in the mouth after enough beers. : Rotten Deadite
• man this isent a debate this is a slaughter. this strategy of using buzz words from news clips in de... : unfukwitable
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  lol Kerry didn't pluralize "internet". He wins! : Clay
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    kerry only has one internet. HE LOSES. : 60days
    • hahahahaha : sexninja!!!!
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  the thing thats so stupid about debates like these are that all the things they say are like pre-canned a... : sexninja!!!!
  • "internets" was scripted? bush needs to fire some people >:( : thekidd
  • Only difference is Bush comes off like a 6th grader trying to get his points across. I don't care if you ... : moz
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    talking points or not, listen to what they're saying to sort things out... Kerry seems to be organizing h... : DoubleAught()
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      except thats totally subjective. not being a gigantic fan of either, it all sounds like the same ranting ... : sexninja!!!!
      • well that's the trick, you have to listen to the words and put them together, all, like, into sentences n... : DoubleAught()
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    Nothing wrong with that. I don't expect my president to be coming up with his own policy. I expect him ... : myLeftTesticleofFury
    • Man, Bush can't even get THAT right... : Thresher
    • yea, but its like scripted AI whereas itd be cooler with dynamic AI : sexninja!!!!
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  lol medicare : moz
  • they gonna take away yo shit! : sexninja!!!!
  • no mediscare. : tension
• Oh NOES! The L WORD! : Thresher
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  please oh please let Kerry call him on that "most liberal senator" charge... : sgtsanity
  • He should just admit to it. If he does, good for him. If he shys away from it, wtf. Its the truth. I ... : rosewood
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  If Kerry all of a sudden said "Oh, and what's up shacknews!" as a closing remark, how many of you would c... : darweidu
  • yea but what if after that bush said "MOVE ALL VOTE" then i would be sooo conflicted :( :( :( : sexninja!!!!
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    No deal. Try Squabble and I'll think about it. : moz
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      what if one of them did the goatse pose? : sexninja!!!!
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        I bet Kerry's stretches wider so he wins : moz
        • wisdom really does come with age, doesnt it : sexninja!!!!
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  Again he gets away from the question. Yea yea sure but lets talk about how the president is scaring you.... : rosewood
  • BUSH (nearly) FORGOT BLACK FRIDAY! : flibble2k
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  Canadian drugs will kill Americans!!! : jrsX
  • I knew the Canukians had a sneaky plan. >:( : slax0r
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  lol "and i'm going to keep throwing money @ the war!" : Clay
  • instead of helmets, we're issueing MONEY HATS! : thekidd
  • didn't you know? money solves everything. : tension
  • had me going o_O : badrocket
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    waaaa i wish I could watch it : ghost hacker
    • listen @ http://www.npr.org : sexninja!!!!
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    last year, end of aug, on meet the press, kerry wanted an increase in spending for the war : rosewood
    • notice how noone is replying to these posts, but I'll reply because I love you : moz
  • but if he didnt say that, then itd be "omg not funding the troops" : sexninja!!!!
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  how long does this shit last : sexninja!!!!
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    http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8728694 : Poor Yurik
    • oops i couldnt remember if i posted that or not : sexninja!!!!
  • FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! : sgtsanity
  • about 70 more years, I think. Less if Titor is right. : 60days
• Bush reminds me of the Emperor in Gladiator : unfukwitable
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  hahaha moderate called them on baseless claims. : Clay
  • ...fucking mods! : sexninja!!!!
  • yeah, and they still didn't answer : DoubleAught()
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  Question - Is John Kerry's Plan the new Lock Box? : rosewood
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    New Question: Who has the higher IQ, rosewood or the president answers plz PS: will the lock box be... : moz
    • Kerry > Rosewood > * > Bush : flibble2k
    • I'm saying Rosewood > Kerry > Bush > fleshlight : mojoald
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  WTF, did Carville write that question?!? : enigmatic
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    which question? : sexninja!!!!
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      "Please give your oath that you will not raise taxes on <$200k peoples" WTF?!? : enigmatic
      • rajun cajun'd! : sexninja!!!!
• Did Kerry steal the College Tuition tax credit from The West Wing? : flibble2k
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  L0L, Buch is getting pwned. What a nub. Back to CS. : Boxelder
  • wtf debate are you watching? : Dimmona
• Restore what we had in the 90s? A bubble?! : rosewood
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  Kerry is doing a good job personalizing the debate towards the average joe and making Bush look like the ... : Clay
  • They both need a huge cock in their mouth, they look hungry. : moz
  • I think enviromental issues are out of bush's league. : tension
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  wtf are "battling green eye shades" : Clay
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    Money eyelashes? : Kinopio
    • i prefer money hats. : Clay
  • That's what i was thinking.. WTF is he on a cocaine dream again? : neblix
  • O_O .... : fugu124
  • I was wondering this too. : dltrem
  • Accountants traditionally wore green visors. For once, the guy is artful in his speech -- a metaphor usi... : maddy
• hahaha! kerry said fuzzy math, bush eats his words : adsriordan
• that's the first time I've heard fuzzy math in this campaign : PapaBoo
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  oh this should be good. enviornmental question.... : thekidd
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    if he was smart hed bring up hydrogen : sexninja!!!!
    • and there it is :X : sexninja!!!!
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  3 million what? : GloriousCow
  • I wondered the same thing. It's just a big number. : dltrem
  • 3 million more wetlands? There'll be tiny wetlands everywhere! : 60days
  • internets. : smax
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  Bush is fucked on the environmental question. : dltrem
  • hahaha the guy who asked the question is like "wtf" ? : Clay
  • Hahaha. Did you see the look on the guy who asked the environmental question's face? He did not look im... : dltrem
• Bush is going to increase the wetlands by three million. I'm glad I know that now. : Zakko
• If bush says 1.5 million jobs, I have a bingo! : rosewood
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  tinder box = republican lock box? : thekidd
  • Hydrogen-Powered Fuel Cars = Republican Lock Box? : coldfusioncs
• hydrogen powered computers!!!!! : moz
• magical technology will fix it!! : llamameat
• LOLOLOLOL "good steward of the land" omg : Poor Yurik
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  He just lost every red sox fan vote :( : rosewood
  • that was absolutely hilarious. highlight of the debate. : Clay
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    missed that. what did he say? : smax
    • that theyre not living in reality or somthing : sexninja!!!!
    • he said bush didn't live in reality. he said that was ok for red sox fans, but not the president : Clay
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  Whoa, Kerry just said that Red Sox fans don't live in reality...he just lost his home state! : enigmatic
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    Well both of those fans must be very dissapointed now :/ : Thud
    • incoming angry eyes >:( : enigmatic
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  +10 points for the word "orwellian" Go Kerry! : fugu124
  • IAWTP : JINKY
  • Yeah I was like "haha nice" when he threw that in. Not because "wow he used a big word!" but just becaus... : brewsterdog
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  kerry believes in science. : sexninja!!!!
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    I believe in Andromeda : enigmatic
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      i believe in cyborg space dykes (same thing) : sexninja!!!!
      • I am one of many, I speak for the rest. : andromeda
    • She's mine. : felicia
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    I believe in science. : dltrem
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      Kerry blinded us with science. : slax0r
      • he threw a science flashbang! : sexninja!!!!
      • In an ideal world, Bush would have quoted Heideigger to give Kerry the smackdown. Bush... quoting Heid : sgtsanity
  • him, me, and charlie?? is he having a flashback? : llamameat
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  Goddamn, Kerry is good with names. : Thresher
  • That's what I was thinking. : dltrem
• "Jane, your voice is so monotonous, I think it just lobotomised me" : 60days
• does charlie gibson have parkinsons disease? : mankeroo
• hacked by chinese : moz
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  I wish both of them would answer the freaking questions instead of saying how bad the other person is :(. : Ecks
  • true that, I agree : fugu124
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  Check out how Kerry is placing himself between the bush camera and Bush. Brilliant. So you can see Kerry ... : sgtsanity
  • yes, good move : peter
  • From what I've heard so far, Kerry seems to be making a point with about 90% of his words. Bush seems to... : Zakko
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  I cant wait for the fact checking to kick in! For both sides. Was kerry really gone for all this shit B... : rosewood
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    I think mostly yes, because he was out campaigning for the party nomination. Unfortunately senators tend... : fugu124
    • Generally, there is no point on showing up to vote on matters with a predetermined outcome unless you are... : Thresher
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  "Need some wood?" : Waverider
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    Oh yeah baby, I need your Bush wood bad. : Magitek
    • ...*shudder* : felicia
  • I love that - that has to be the new poland : rosewood
  • Any bets on when we'll see this domain? : Tincan
• awkward pause. even more awkward comment. that was great. : Clay
• need some wood ?!?!? o_O : cap n KRUNCH
• obvious "Bush has wood" comment : thekidd
• bush 8======================D BOING : moz
• bush just offered kerry some of his wood lolololol NWS : sexninja!!!!
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  NEED SOME WOOD? : g000n
  • GOLD!!! : Priest77
  • that was absolutely hilarious : jigstah
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    please elaborate for those of us who missed it : mrtony
    • Kerry said due to taxes or whatever, Bush got $78 from some timber company and is considered to be a smal... : Clay
• Patriot Act doesn't erode our rights? When did they reform it? : Clay
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  Kerry has a good chance to explain his reasoning on patriot act here - lets see if he gets it done. : rosewood
  • Talking about senate people who dont like it ... these people voted yes on it. WTF? Good call on brin... : rosewood
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  $5 'need some wood' is on the daily show : sexninja!!!!
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    and twisted out of context no less : sexninja!!!!
    • Only five dollah? : inkninja
• Kerry has alien-length fingers. : freqq28
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  ok ok so from what I Have followed in the last 2 presidential debates Wood + Don't forget poland == po... : moz
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    you just had that ready to pull up on a dime? wow. : badrocket
    • I haven't forgotten poland, that's for sure. : moz
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  kerry is the MASTER at quoting names. : unfukwitable
  • shut up bitch, McFly wants the embryos. : GloriousCow
• After some some fact checking, I've discovered that senator Dick Durbin DOES in fact exist : thekidd
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  Oh Shi, Stem Cell Question that's totally rigged to make Kerry look like he's a baby killer...nice : enigmatic
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    I give Kerry credit for standing up for stem cell research. We really do need a president that is for sci... : adsriordan
    • Damn right. If Bush is elected, in 20 years we'll be flying abroad for medical treatment with Stem Cells... : fugu124
    • lol, curs for mthe stem cells. bush messed up on this one. he should have ATTACKED Kerry as a Baby Kil... : unfukwitable
  • And Kerry is stumbling on that one. : Thresher
  • discovery cures from the stem cells. MAGICS : badrocket
  • did bush actually say anything he did wrong? : jrsX
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  destroy life to save life? like the war in iraq? : jrsX
  • totally unreleated, but lol : Clay
  • take your logic and leave. : 60days
  • bush won that one. : unfukwitable
  • *head asplodes* : cap n KRUNCH
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    I dont know if I agree that using some embryo that will only be destroyed anyway is destroying life....It... : Tincan
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      plus if a fertilized egg is "a human life", as Bush would make you think, then Bush should be passing leg... : fugu124
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        Yeah, he sure has some twisted logic, or rather no logic at all. : Tincan
        • he's playing both shides!! : rasputinreborn
  • oh! : moz
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  contamitaded? : thekidd
  • yah, they were grown on mouse embryonic fibroblasts, so they aren't ideal for research. : fugu124
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  Kerry LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU! Bush looks ready to strike : flibble2k
  • reee reee reee! psycho-style, biyatch!! : DoubleAught()
  • The supreme court justice issue is way underreported :( : GloriousCow
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  I want to know what shackers think of this supreme court judge answer. He was caught way off gaurd and I... : rosewood
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    It was decent. Nothing really specific except that Bush is a strict constructionalist. : slax0r
    • ...or he would be a strict constructionist if he knew what that term meant... : Thresher
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    Kerry just owned him. : JINKY
    • How? They both said the typical party answer to what type of judge each party likes. Dems like someon... : rosewood
  • It was good thinking on his feet, but I think he left himself open. : ZoroasterD
  • Kerry answered correctly. Clearer, mentioning not a liberal, not a conservative. It's what Bush should ... : johngloid
  • kerry won. bush came across as wanting a "objective judge" so as long as he's a good conservative christi... : Clay
  • they both said the same damn thing. i have no idea what the above people heard : sexninja!!!!
  • I think they both answered that question pretty well. I think Kerry was able to make a clearer more stra... : Zakko
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  Bush's answer to the judge question is rather WTF. : sgtsanity
  • omg, did he really just bring up slavery in this debate??? this is too good : neblix
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    How? Its not like there is someone about to quite - I doubt its really been talked about a whole hell of... : rosewood
    • It is very likely that one if not more than one justice will retire in the next four years - which could ... : GloriousCow
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    no, not really...he was saying that he would appoint somoene who doesnt inject their own personal beliefs... : sexninja!!!!
    • hi sexninja, how ur vote? : moz
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    Who's the guy on MSNBC who just spent 5 minutes licking Bush's asshole? He was spectacular and Kerry was ... : derelict515
    • Bah, meant to be to main thread : derelict515
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  "the constitution says.... well..uh... doesnt say that" Haha he doesnt know what it says! : adsriordan
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    On a side note, I'm happy to see so many shackers paying attention to the debate, no matter which directi... : fugu124
    • Whoops that was supposed to be a reply to the parent post....doh : fugu124
• He said "one of us." Like, "I'm not so sure I will win..." Interesting : myLeftTesticleofFury
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  damn that was pretty impressive : moz
  • What was? : dltrem
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  Sobbing abortion question. OH SHIT : Magitek
  • DANGER! : ZoroasterD
  • I agree. This question sucks. : dltrem
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    Woah he nailed it... : myLeftTesticleofFury
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      He danced around it! : rosewood
      • They dance around all the questions. : dltrem
      • if done effectively, that's a win, heh : rasputinreborn
    • Toughest question of the night and Kerry did a fantastic job of answering it. When I heard her ask it, I... : godhatingatheist
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  kerry was an alter boy : PapaBoo
  • abstinance? : badrocket
  • And Bush is a retard. : CaptainTaco
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  Kerry forgot Buddhism : flibble2k
  • and Polishis : Clay
  • As a Zoroastrian, I am offended. : Thresher
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  Bush was talking about Stem Cell reseach being unethical because it was destory life to create life. So w... : scrub6969
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    That's a poor comparison on so many levels. : FuryVII
    • well i guess killing people is perfectly ethical. You're right : scrub6969
• Kerry can't just say Abortion, can he? : rosewood
• Countdown to the spinmiesters... 2 questions and counting.... this should be interesting since Bush hasn' : DoubleAught()
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  I'm sorry, but Kerry is just the better speaker here. Articulate speech is just not one of Bush's strong... : godhatingatheist
  • Sign language debate for the deaf! : godwit
• they still didnt ask about titor. fuck this shit. ITS RIGGED I TELL YOU MOSSAD DOESNT WANT US TO KNOW ... : sexninja!!!!
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  hahah this last question is pretty good : Clay
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    watch him never use the word wrong. : 60days
    • he's doing a good job of that and not answering the question at all SADDAM IS BAD MKAY : derelict515
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    I guess that means we're not getting an answer on this question from Bush... But here comes Kerry to ans... : flibble2k
    • I promise itd be the same way if they asked kerry that question : sexninja!!!!
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  oh those darn DETAILS.. what a pain in the ass for poor George. : swampnutz
  • Bush just completely dodged that mistakes question. : suicidemachine
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  answer the question!!!!!!! : thekidd
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    But he doesn't want to hurt their feelings. : Tincan
    • girl behind him rolled her eyes when he said that. heh : badrocket
  • 1) Rumsfeld 2) Ashcroft 3) Not listening to Powell more : Magitek
  • yeah no shit!! talk about avoiding the question : DoubleAught()
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  If kerry wants to make this admit mistake shit stick then he needs to say "I know of a time when I was in... : rosewood
  • Bush said the buck stops at the people he appointed. : Poor Yurik
• "I'll take responsibility even though I'm right!" : Clay
• Did bush even answer the question ?? : jrsX
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  Thresher's Fearless Verdict: The questions were much better than I expected, certainly much more point... : Thresher
  • Yeah, i think all debates should be in this format. : suicidemachine
  • I don't see how it would be impossible to change the mind of a Bush supporter after listening to him toni... : DoubleAught()
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  I don't want to hurt their feelings on national TV. : LostIntegrity
  • hey Bush ain't much of a President, but at least he's a sensitive guy! : rasputinreborn
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  Um wtf is up with the last question? So Bush has to say how he fucked up and Kerry gets to comment on th... : Priest77
  • agreed. lame. "give me 3 examples of how you fucked up?" : badrocket
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    yea, it shoulda been the same question to both : sexninja!!!!
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      especially being the closing question too : sexninja!!!!
      • Yeah I noticed that too. WTF!? : Priest77
  • That question was bullshit. Kerry should've taken that opportunity to state 3 mistakes he had made also. : godhatingatheist
  • Bush tends to get defensive any time asks him about mistakes. It's a good thing for people to see. : rasputinreborn
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  :( :( :( I didnt get a bingo :( :( :( : rosewood
  • IF Kerry is an optimist, why did he pick a VP who said the light of america is flickering or whatever the... : rosewood
• Oh man that would have been the topper for the night if he had hijacked the closing statement... : myLeftTesticleofFury
• Australians: Does Kerry plan to "Ease the Squeeze"? : flibble2k
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  Kerry stuck the closing argument. : Clay
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    IF by stuck you mean spent the first 1/4 clearing up what he said in his first debate then okay : rosewood
    • actually that's exactly what he should have done. nobody is really focused on what either just said, he n... : Clay
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  this, just like the VP debate, is pretty much a tie IMO. good job to both of them. : sexninja!!!!
  • lol. : moz
  • lol, : unfukwitable
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    and i honestly cant see how anyone can say "so and so pwned the other guy" whoever says such a thing i... : sexninja!!!!
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      right. Your recent comments (and past) ooze objectivity. lol @ militant. : moz
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        like which : sexninja!!!!
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          http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8418747 : moz
          • i concede this point : sexninja!!!!
  • lol - bush won :) HE ASKED CHARLIE IF HE WANTED WOOD! : rosewood
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  lol haters. : 60days
  • I laughed out loud when he said that. : dltrem
  • haha I caught that, too. "these hatahs!" : jigstah
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  "Haters" hahahah : JINKY
  • Don't hate da playa, hate da game, yo. : inkninja
• Gibson uses a Tele-prompter! Scandal! : sgtsanity
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  AMERICA NEEDS WOOD : GloriousCow
  • This is what I believe. : moz
• We need Gut Check Time, repeat, Gut check time. : jhof
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  I will say bush did better tonight. I could tell he was trying hard to keep the facial expressions under ... : suicidemachine
  • at the start it was about even, bush seemed comfortable. but about 1/4 in Kerry started to dominate and ... : unfukwitable
• Need some Polish wood? I won't forget it. : jrsX
• Final thought: Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one, and they all stink. : fugu124
• Debate is over, time to watch Farenheit 9/11 : PapaBoo
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  I want some fact checking. Does bush own a wood factory? Was kerry gone all the times Bush said he was? : rosewood
  • Im still waiting on wantsomewood.com to resolve. : Tincan
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  "he kept the grimmacing under control" that's funny : Clay
  • He's presidential material for sure... : Tincan
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    Bush? He even made a joke himself saying that comment wanted to make him skowl. : rosewood
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      Bush made alot of jokes. His standup was especially good tonight. : NastyJack
      • If he would have said "My fellow americans, I just flew in from washington DC and boy are my arms tired" ... : rosewood
• Bush WINS! : warsaw
• That was an awesome debate. Finally one that was fun to watch. I love the town hall style. Enterta... : jigstah
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  I wonder why Bush didn't mention Kerry's lack of vote for the first gulf war when we did have everything ... : rosewood
  • yeah the commentators just brought that up. and how he said mcpeak fought a great airwar in the first gu... : jigstah
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  Bush did much better than last time. However, I agree more with what Kerry said, regardless of how he sa... : EvilDolemite
  • The problem is that Bush pointed out each time how Kerry has acted or said something different then what ... : rosewood
  • One thing I thought wasn't funny was how he tried to make humor following the abortion question which was... : moz
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  Did I hear Bush say the word haters near the end?? Is he 16? : NastyJack
  • He probably has to audit himself constantly to not let something like liberal faggots or pussies slip out... : thebigbeefsandwhich
• So who are all you americans voting for??? : scrub6969
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  I give the edge to Bush in this one, no necessarily in content, but I think he presented and did a better... : Visceral Monkey
  • right..like when he didn't answer any of their questions? :) : veggie
  • agreed, Kerry didn't have his toothy grin showing : byorn
  • I'm inclined to agree, but I have doubts that he was able to sound intelligable enough at times. : myLeftTesticleofFury
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    You think it's more important to work the crowd then your content? : NastyJack
    • debates are about working the crowd and hoping you catch a bad soundbyte from the otherside. sadly. : jigstah
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      I never said that. These debates are about winning over independents, and the way to do that is to appeal... : Visceral Monkey
      • I openly weep for anyone who follows that paradigm. : moz
  • Bush: 1 Kerry: 1 : Priest77
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  Kerry was right about the Lumber ownership...OWNED : veggie
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    I figured he was. That would be a pretty big fuckup to pull that out if its not right. I doubt Kerry is... : rosewood
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      What company was it that he was refering to? I'm just curious. I assumed at the time that it was an o... : K1Bond007
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        according to Bush's tax receipts, in 2001 he claimed an $84 gain or something on a Lumber company that he... : veggie
        • I wonder if he is still a part owner. Like I said, I would have been really suprised ifkerry would p... : rosewood
  • wow...need some wood indeed! : cap n KRUNCH
• Truthfully, I think the real winner here was John McCain and Bill Clinton. Both of these guys came off lo... : K1Bond007
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  WHO WANTA SOME WOOD? : warsaw
  • YOU WANTA WASH BUSH? OR YOU WANTA WATCH BUSH WASH BUSH? : Magitek
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  Mark Rosco, who was mentioned in Kerry's speach as a republican that wanted change in Patriot Act just sa... : rosewood
  • How do you know Mark isn't changing his position? Maybe you should look into it a bit better before you s... : NastyJack
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    You're really digging, aren't you, rosewood? : cajuncook
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      Im just posting shit as I hear it. If I was digging, I would be doing research and such. It was on the ... : rosewood
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        Maybe you shouldn't then repeat it on here like it's a fact. Just a suggestion, entirely up to you. : NastyJack
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          " Mark Rosco, who was mentioned in Kerry's speach as a republican that wanted change in Patriot Act jus... : rosewood
          • I would expect him, as the RNC chair, to say anything in the world to counter ammunition used by a democr... : rasputinreborn
  • FYI, it's Mark Racicot, not Rosco. It's just a weird pronunciation. : Thresher
  • The RNC chairman?? What did you expect he'd say? : rasputinreborn
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  Us haters on the internets must nevar forget Poland!!!! Man Bush came off pretty desperate in that deb... : brewsterdog
  • exactly. bush iddint lose the debate. he lost his term. theres only so much you can say when youve messed... : unfukwitable
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    You forgot to sell some wood in there too! : rosewood
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      I was distracted during whatever Kerry said about wood and then Bush was making a fuss about wood, someon... : brewsterdog
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        Kerry was pointing out that Bush is considered a Small Business owner because he has a lumber company of ... : rosewood
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          Anyone find any fact checks on this? Now I have to know! : brewsterdog
          • I think it is safe to assume that he does. This comes from a Bush suporter. I don't know why Kerry woul... : rosewood
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  Kerry summed up Bush pretty well near the end: "Things are never as simple as the President would have : EvilDolemite
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    I like the part where Kerry said he had a plan but didn't say what it was. : skynet
    • http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8728678 : rasputinreborn
    • Most of his "plan" revolves around revoking the $89 billion in tax cuts to the wealthy and using that inc... : EvilDolemite
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    I think Bush summed up Kerry every time he pointed out Kerry's "lies" or however you want to define thing... : rosewood
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      Like what lies? : NastyJack
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        Kerry saying he is against Tort Reform. Kerry saying he wont raise my taxes. 98 times in the past he ha... : rosewood
        • Didn't he also say the government has nothing to do with his health care plan? A health care plan he has... : rosewood
        • Please don't. : myLeftTesticleofFury
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          I don't get this change on Iraq thing people keep bringing up. Didn't things change dramatically when it ... : NastyJack
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            Because its what is said AFTER that is the problem. Its when he says things like he did today (or yester... : rosewood
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              He said he doesn't know what he is going to do? Where was this? : NastyJack
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                Yesterday from Englewood, Colorado. I don't know what I'm going to find on January 20th, the way th : rosewood
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                  Oh man you are stretching so bad here man. He is saying at the rate the president is fucking things up th : NastyJack
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                    "Now, I just don't know." He was asked what he was going to do. He added a lot of language around it bu... : rosewood
                    • You are just being difficult now and I think you know it. Does Bush know what things will be like in a... : NastyJack
                    • Err, that is honesty. If the situations in iraq and afghanistan continue deteriorating, then chances are,... : mallrice
    • you swapped "Bush" and "Kerry" in your first sentence. : DoubleAught()
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      I will say it again, being for an action or reform but against its implementation is not flip-flopping or : EvilDolemite
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        He said the drugs that COME from canada, not candian drugs. Pay attention. It is known that there is a ... : rosewood
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          dude, you HAVE to raise taxes in 20 YEARS. Think on this!! :D : DoubleAught()
          • So how can he look at me and tell me that he isn't going to do it again?! If you dont mind the tax inc... : rosewood
        • That's too bad we can't tell you those things. You can tell me anything you want. : NastyJack
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    Bush's reply to that was just depressing. Kerry explained why he voted against the abortion thing, but... : michae l
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      What Bush says is that it doesn't make sense to say that you beleive in one thing and vote another way. ... : rosewood
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        I think that was a different question, the one I'm talking about was the second to last question. I'd ... : michae l
        • Here it is: KERRY: Well, again, the president just said, categorically, my opponent is against this, m : michae l
• Transcript yet? : NastyJack
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  http://www.dailykos.com/ : arutay
  • HAHA, yea no bias at THAT site or anything. That's like linking the Drudge report or Foxnews. : Visceral Monkey
• This thread is fassle. Seriously. : silent prophet
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  Ok this is weird. I noticed it in the debate but waited for the transcript before I brought it up. Bus... : NastyJack
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    ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THIS?!?! : NastyJack
    • prolly just a slip up : sexninja!!!!
  • He implied that Kerry believes the world would be better off with Saddam still in power, and Saddam would... : Ben Barker
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  I watch CNN, you watch ______? : Iscariot47
  • Fox because they had the head of DNC on and thats a great guest to have on after these debates. : rosewood
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  Don't you guys find it kinda scary Bush can get so pissed off when he is in public, in a nationally telev... : DoubleAught()
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    I didnt see a loss of composure. I saw someone who heard something that wasn't true and didn't want to j... : rosewood
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      He lost his composure, plain as day. He was mad because he has probably never had anyone question him so... : DoubleAught()
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        Here ya go: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debatereferee/debate_1008.html : NastyJack
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          This thing is comedy gold. I didn't get to watch the debate when it was actually on, but this is still e : pres589
          • My favorite was this: Bush: The truth of that matter is, if you listen carefully, Saddam would still ... : NastyJack
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          thanks! rosewood - you said Bush "heard something that wasn't true and didn't want to just there and lis : DoubleAught()
          • lol, my attempt to make it more readable using code tags fuckin' failed. I'm still very interested i... : DoubleAught()
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            How do you call it a coalition when you have 90% of the costs and casualties? I don't get it. Slight supp... : NastyJack
            • exactly.. even the great POLAND will be pulling out soon. : DoubleAught()
          • ooooh rooooooosewooood, where are jhooo? /interested in your response. : DoubleAught()
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      The man acts like he's a cowboy in a presidential debate. It's pathetic. I keep expecting him to go for h... : NastyJack
      • no he got the implant removed, he is no longer a cyborb as he declared about 1/2 way through the debate. : unfukwitable
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  INCOMING DAILY SHOW!!!!!!!! : st0ck
  • and I think Bush's wood line will be played more than the Red Sox line. : st0ck
  • I think I lose? : st0ck
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    no daily show on Fridays. : edgewise
    • WHY GOD WHY : brewsterdog
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  Did Bush have his radio earpiece in tonight? : dognose
  • not that I saw. no bulges on the back either... : DoubleAught()
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    I wonder if Kerry used a cheat sheet. tit for tat : rosewood
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      Except I'm a Libertarian. You're gonna hafta insult Max Payne or something :( : dognose
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        The only thing I have on him is cheese dialog ... that I loved :) : rosewood
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          It's cool that we agree on the important stuff :D : dognose
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            Which I think is a very good point. This was a debate, and we saw mini debates here on the shack. When ... : rosewood
            • I love you : dognose
      • I heard that Duke Nukem killed Max Payne's family because he didn't want Max to tell the world about the ... : mojoald
  • David Palmer did :( : sexninja!!!!
• 2 republicans on a Live Real Time with Bill Maher. finally some good conversation : jigstah
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  This just in: Ann Coulter is a dumb cunt. : pres589
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    Thats not just in. And for those that think she is on Foxnews right now -- she taint. : rosewood
    • You'll get over it. And I don't think anyone said she couldn't make an ass of herself on some other netw... : pres589
    • You're right, she's been a cunt all along.. : Hiro
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  All polls, even Fox News, showing Kerry won by 70-30. : Ratsofatsorat
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    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1006413&mesg_id=... : dltrem
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      holy shit talk about organized cock sucking. : eldiablo01
      • Welcome to the extreme side of the Democratic party. :) : cajuncook
    • and thus the uselessness of unscientific polls (and esp internet polls) : sexninja!!!!
    • It's a common tactic. Those polls mean nothing. Look for the offical polls in the days to come. : Visceral Monkey
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      It's a good thing all the republicans are too stupid to organize the same thing or too scrupulous to atte : sgtsanity
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        except gallup polls are scientific : sexninja!!!!
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          Exactly why I eagerly await them. The little text is meant to be the non-sarcastic commentary. : sgtsanity
          • ok, i thought you meant that you awaited the gallup poll because the republicans will try the same shit..... : sexninja!!!!
        • They just released them here in Maryland. Kerry leads by 12% overall (52% to 40%), with an amazing 79-13... : cajuncook
      • Hey! The GOP can use the internetS too! : hellen keller
    • Democratic Underground is about as balanced as the National Review...actaully, probably even less so. : DonkeyPopsicle
  • Wait ten hours, it will shift a little bit with Kerry having a slight lead and Bush only trailing behind ... : Maddog_Delphi97
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    I'm liking what I see here! : NastyJack
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      then dont look up... : sexninja!!!!
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        I agree they aren't all that accurate but 80% - 18% is a pretty fuckin huge margin. : NastyJack
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          "arent all that accurate"?? howabout completly fucking worthless?? theres an huge, active campaign out th... : sexninja!!!!
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            You have proven your case to me. I now believe anything you say. : NastyJack
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              here, let me specificly point you to the post im talking about: http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8729744... : sexninja!!!!
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                I understand the concept. I maintain that it's a pretty significant margin. I guess we will see when the ... : NastyJack
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                  my point that no matter what the margin is, its worthless. even if it said 100% to 0%, there is absolutly... : sexninja!!!!
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                    if your such a sexninja, then why did mossad kill david palmer? : Morgin
                    • cause he was black : sexninja!!!!
                  • my point that no matter what the margin is, its worthless. even if it said 100% to 0%, there is absolutly... : DoubleAught()
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    GEE, did anyone expect otherwise? Jesus H Christ. Of course Kerry is going to "win". He could claim ... : Downforce
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      wait, what? Kerry handily trounced Bush (albeit with a much better prepared Bush), yet the media is agai... : DoubleAught()
      • He really didn't. In fact, because of the lowered expectations on Bush, some are saying he came out ahead... : Visceral Monkey
      • trounced? hardly. the first one was a troucning. this was even, but to bush supporters I bet it felt like... : jigstah
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  could kerry get impeached if he just went ahead and raised taxes if he became president? : phobium
  • Do you remember this little beauty?: Read my lips NO NEW TAXES If presidents could be impeached for br... : jessipoo
• http://smax.shackspace.com/need%20some%20wood.jpg ? : smax
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  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3845089354 : Daggoth
  • I heard the internets part but then fell asleep long week what's the deal with the wood reference? : ariakaz