Futuremark Whines, Apologizes

I tend to give more sympathy to the company that puts their time and effort into creating something, rather than the guy who runs an op/ed website.

Really - the hard on for Kyle that the shack has is a bit disconcerting.

I can't attest to anything having to do with HardOCP or 3dmark, but I do understand what happened.

I work for an ISP. We slave, day in and day out, to serve our customers in the best way we can. We can't make everybody happy, but we try. So we take it really hard whenever we get criticized because you wouldn't believe the amount of effort we put in to stay alive.

Futuremark is probably the same way. They work really hard to create a product that fills a niche. Now, it seems like they have gotten away from the benchmark role 3dmark plays, and more into the "make my video card sing" role that it's also been used for. I make no value judgement here, but I understand Kyle's criticism.

If I'm working for Futuremark and I see my product slammed by an influential member of the community I'm targetting, I'd get annoyed to. Because you know they're trying!

I'm not defending Futuremark, but I know where they're coming from.

Just an aside...

I've personally dealt with Kyle when I worked at a different company. The guy is a 1st class A-hole.

This was basically our conversation thru email:


Dear Kyle,

Hi, I'm contacting you to see if there's any way we can work together to have some of our products reviewed by your website. I understand that there has been some trouble between company x and your site in the past, but I'd like to apologizes and put all of that behind us. We would really like to build a new and stronger relationship, Blah blah blah… your opinion is very important to us and the community blah blah blah blah blah.


Kyle's response:

I hate your company, and all the a-holes that work there. There is no way we will work together, and I will continue to put down your products on my website to spite all of you.


In essence, he's a whining little beeach. Due to a situation that was admittedly totally our fault, but had happened several years before, he was unable to be a pro and accept our apology. Instead made it clear that he’d hurt us any chance he gets even tho most websites would have killed to have the type of relationship we were offering.

The company I worked for was unjustifiably paranoid of web reviews and the whole gaming community, and I was trying to change that. I wanted to prove that hard core gamers like us wanted these types of reviews from these websites, and that these websites were responsible enough to give us at least as fair a shake as the traditional mag pubs. Let’s just say that Kyle’s bad attitude and mouthing off adversely effects how they feel about gaming site web reviews to this day. He’s pretty much single handedly soured their opinion of the hardcore gamer thing completely.

Anyway, this whole business with 3DMark sounds really familiar. So just take anything he has to say with a huge grain of salt. He’s probably out to get them too. That’s how he works.

Freedom of speech?
Freedom of press?

But then again, "Tero Sarkkinen" does not sound all that American...

All you people who don't understand Kyle's crusade against 3d mark, don't try to make 3d mark out to be just some harmless utility with pretty graphics. Nvidia and ATi throw huge resources at trying to one-up each other in this synthetic benchmark. They could be spending those resources on improving performance in games you actually play.

atleast Tero had the balls to apologize.

I know Im in the vast minority here but I'll say it anyway. I'd agree completly that he went about it in the wrong way but I agree with Tero. Kyle consistently goes out of his way to slam 3dmark. For example when the patch was released he started going on about "does this mean that all the previous results were invalid, blah blah blah."
It's fine that Kyle doesn't like the benchmark and want to use it himself, so why can't he just stay quiet and leave it alone? Instead he takes every opportunity to take jabs at futuremark.
Now there's no way in hell he'll ever leave it alone, he'll bring it up even more and then proudly proclaim that futuremark started talking shit and then backed down, HE beat them.

Oh brother, give me a break.

HAHAHA!!!!1

Man I am stoked. Too funny. First, I couldn't care less about their crappy product, but now, here we have a very mature fellow as the PR person, threathening Kyle.

I'm sure he was serious in his allegations yesterday, but when he checked with his so called attorneys, they probably told him "what the heck do you want us to do?"

man this is comedy gold ....

3d mark DOES suck. It dosn't benchmark proformance, it really benchmarks drivers and how well written they are to proform in 3d mark. Coupled with 3d marks business dealings with the very companies it's supposed to be testing make it a pretty dubious testing software.

I am tired of web sites trying to be "friends" with the companies in this industries and their PR departments. These are people who want to make a dollar any way they can, folks. The nice ones actually make good product, and the nicest ones will throw you some extra free stuff for your purchase without a charge to keep your loyalty down the line, but they're all wanting to make money. But still, people MONEY is the driving force.

Way too many sites are taking the sides of the companies, and so arrogance like the letters above spreads further and further. I've never been a fan of HOCP's forums, but it's nice to see that someone out there isn't afraid to tell it like it is.

I don't even know why I'm supposed to trust a program that keeps telling me to buy Alienware computers for better benchmarks.

Thank God Kyle is out there for this shit because he stands up to idle threats like this. See also: Phantom Console.

Id like my news with out a side lawyer, please.

haha Tero got pwnt :D

Tero Sarkkinen, you are hereby fired.

It's a good thing Terro's wife wrote that up and posted it without him knowing it. It's also a good thing he's her total bitch and so the most he did was whimper about it being "not fair," and "Why can't I ever have a lawsuit?"

hooray for internet back-rubbing.

<insert OH YOU GO KYLE response here>

Tero Sarkkinen? Nice fake name. LOL.

hahah fuck you futuremark in your stupid benchmarking asses haha omg lol....

that was still dumb to just add that in there "3dmarks sucks as a benchmark" without really adding anything else. and at the same time ... a lawsuit threat is a bit overboard... but this pointless controversey with HardOCP makes me not really respect them as much because they seem to take pride in the attention they are getting.

can we get a big "thats what i thought, bitch" please?

also, props to Tero for apologizing and not just being a little bitch about it.

i still hate those benchmarks though... :P

I love how on the futuremark site all the people over there are saying how futuremark has won this dispute because they have the balls to atleast be mature about it and apologize.

I've never really understood the purpose of synthetic benchmarks. Fortunately, it seems most people pay more attention to actual gaming benchmarks and performance *shrug*

It's cool when stuff like this can just be put under. It sucks that there was a situation in the first place, but gg to both sides for letting it go.

You just know that Tero sent that letter off, then contacted his attourney telling him to make those scumsuckers at [H]ardOCP pay!

Then the attourney told him that he has no case.

Apology ensues.

TeroS
n00bie

That says enough right there.

well that's nice. Glad they didn't have to get into a real legal battle for this crap.

hahah what a fucking idiot. I guess he finally realized that was going alienate A LOT of buyers/potential buyers by pissing off the [H] (and other) communities.

Who buys 3dmark? Not your average joe! Its geeks and gamers like us.

man i can almost smell the shoe rubber burning from his backpedaling!

too little too late for some potential buyers of their product i think

Is there any proof that that apology really came from Tero? Couldn't anyone just get an account on the [H]ard Forums with that name? I hope we've heard the last of this anyways.

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1026710094&postcount=545

Update on what happened

hahaha what a moron. I love when people try to be tough guys over the Internet.

go go gadget Kyle \0/

wp m8, keep saying it like it is, co s so few other ppl have the balls to

"3d Mark sucks"

But yet people still like it and use it. I agree that 3dmark won't tell you exactly how your computer will run HL2 for example, but it still has a place, you just shouldn't take it over seriously.

I'm going to hate myself for saying this but I do think HardOCP whine a bit to much about 3d mark.

This is all just too comical.

Best headline ever.

Ok so these days. Websites are not allowed to voice their own opinions on products. Which do OR do not suck, futuremark = pile of gay

please, everyone join me in one large "WTF?"

with a title of "Executive Vice President of Sales and Marketing" how could he be wrong?

We forgive you (?)