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• Kerry's doing pretty damn well so far. : burning eye
• Over here people Kerry Vs. Bush. : Kaiser
• Attn Candidates : Stop hitting the fucking podium! : j33uk
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  LINK TO WATCH PLZ? : Cygnus X-1
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    http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8668724 : Kaiser
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      thats laggin out =( : Cygnus X-1
      • it's good here :-/ : -Panther-
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  So who's "Flip" and who's "Flop"? : surround
  • Kerry won the coin flip. haha : jjlaw
• Question #1: Kerry didn't give specifics. Weak. Question #2: Bush didn't even answer the question. ... : riptyde
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  I think the Bush group requested no 'reaction' shots or split cameras. The networks however, scoffed at t... : st0ck
  • I like how both candidates fucked up like that, heh : j33uk
• "ehh... ehhh.. (reads) a group of folks...." wow... : voodooraze
• Bush looks constipated : mr brown
• they BOTH keep switching up saddam and bin laden : mXENO
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  funny that there are more terrorists in iraq today then there was 2 years ago : creep
  • I don;'t think thats funny =( : st0ck
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    Horse dead.. heard all this before.. blah blah blah.. some questions that people care about please. : stonedonkey
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      wake me when theres a quetion about education reform of medicare : creep
      • What kills me is that 90% of what they're talking about isn't even done without congresionally approval..... : stonedonkey
      • You'll be sleeping for about two weeks. : DinK
    • lol .. maybe it's because it's STILL an issue? And not a small one, btw. Hundreds of people die every wee... : mystifier
• anyway... the rules are a modern control of the american democratic electorial machine. its the next s... : picklepus
• Watching Bush stew while Kerry answers is pure Gold.. he DOES look constipated. : Hiro
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  non-political question: do they have ear-pieces? are we actually seing them mano-a-mano? : -Panther-
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    hand to hand? : mr brown
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      it's espanol ese : -Panther-
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        yea it means "hand to hand", gringo : mr brown
        • goddamnit man, don't question me in front of the troops! : -Panther-
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    No, the questions were pre-submitted, so they've been practicing their responses for days. This isn't re... : riptyde
    • oh boo. :( : -Panther-
    • That is incorrect. Jim Lehrer started the debate by saying that the questions were picked by him and were... : BulletPro
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  Good debate so far. Kerry's doing a fairly good job considering the resolution on debate is the umbrella ... : prolinium
  • yes kerry is smart and educated. he's not going into this unprepared. he touches on real topics... so f... : picklepus
• hahaha! drop the name of swing states! : st0ck
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  i was thinking this week about how fucking cool it is that the writer's of the constitution put the whole... : lacker
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    That phrase isn't in the Constitution, it's in the Declaration of Independence. : Kaiser
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      are you sure? : lacker
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        Yes its in the declaration. : pigvomit
        • it replaced PROPERTY : zigzag
        • cool. it is still a great concept. : lacker
      • http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html : thekidd
      • http://co-op.ibook.com/identity-ibook/davidottershaw/yorkshiremans-journal/us-constitution/life-liberty-a... : Kaiser
• the message is: "We don't make rash decisions" : surround
• nice response by kerry. : burning eye
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  Bush is kicking Kerry's ass so far, IMO. Kerry sounds like a whiner. : xocsida
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    lol oh man, you two always being the comedy : moz
    • It doesn't do Kerry any good when he says "I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that" and then Bush come... : xocsida
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      PS: forget about politics, if you've ever debated before how could you possibly make that statement. Bush... : moz
      • The majority of people won't notice things that debate nerds would. So it's not really relevant to the ou... : darweidu
      • So is Kerry. : xocsida
      • I agree, all Bush does is repeat the same things. And the whole "flip flop" shit is enraging, because pe... : nukewinter
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    I liked how he says "I'll tell you exactly what I'll do" and the goes on a 2 minute rant about what Bush ... : j33uk
    • i hate them both equally : hobosapien
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    seriously I would expect pig's to fly before I saw any other sort of opinion appear next to xocside : mr brown
    • Yeah, but what about xocsida? : king_darius
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  • How in the hell can someone watch bush here and say, THATS MY GUY! Its amazing the difference : mankeroo
• Lehrer... please them to move their pencils away from the mic while the other is talking... kthnx.. : laidback
• there's a huge time gap in the cspan video coverage and the npr simulcast audio coverage : picklepus
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  It's funny because it's 10% politics and 90% rhetorics. How cool would it be if the debate was about what... : Stage
  • I heard some pretty concise plans from Kerry. I'd love to know if anyone heard plans of any sort from Bu... : DoubleAught()
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  Jesus Christ, if Kerry doesn't respond to Bush's statement about working with Congress to create the Dept... : riptyde
  • OMG now George "Mission Accomplished" Bush just said "we'll get those troops home when the mission is don... : riptyde
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  Would a politician who actually gave direct answers and then explained them, instead of talking about wha... : st0ck
  • Never going to happen. Politics is all about double-speak and mind-crime. : xocsida
  • Jesse Ventura is pretty much your only hope there.... He'd do pretty well, I think... Another decade, a... : myLeftTesticleofFury
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  Why are there no 3rd party candidates in this so called debate? : smdever
  • didn't want to rent another podium : clain
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    Because the 2 party system pretty much sucks : j33uk
    • Yes it does, we basically live in a oligarchy, or some kind of plutocracy. : smdever
    • I've wondered about that too... but after reading a few articles about our current system and the flexibi... : Kaiser
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    Someone get Bush a ballpoint pen. His pencil writing into the mic is distracting while Kerry speaks. : laidback
    • "Well actually he forgot Poland..." WOOOOOOW lol... :D : laidback
  • because we're a representative democracy and these two parties currently represent the majority of the am... : esky
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  wtf.. so kerry said we need to spend more money, the rebuttels with.. it's not how much money, or how we ... : stonedonkey
  • THROW MONEY AT THE PROBLEM TO FIX IT !!!!! I hate politicians. McCain 4 Eva ! : lord cecil
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  I bet Kerry is drawing manga pics while Bush speaks. : surround
  • OCTOPUS LEGS EVERYWHERE!! GAH!!! : stonedonkey
  • when he writes he kinda mouths his words : mr brown
• More swing state name dropping, cute : j33uk
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  "A free Iraq will secure Israel" folks Bush just kissed every jewish ass in this country : mr.sleepy
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    wtf is wrong with that statement its true. and a strong israel isnt just good for jews its good for ameri... : josecuervo
    • I don't think he's saying anything wrong with it... he's just pointing out the effect of the answer. : stonedonkey
    • And a lot of good being their "ally" has done us. Seeing as how a good portion of our "problems" with te... : nukewinter
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      Iraq cannot count as an "ally" yet : mr brown
      • What's happened in iraq so far has only made things worse for israel, there has been a lot more hate towa... : darweidu
    • Would be nice if instead of always blindly supporting what Israel does over there, we gave them shit when... : riptyde
  • I'm surpised he bothered, the jewish vote is usually overwhelmingly democrat. : -Panther-
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    My he'll give you 1500 dollars a month for your vote? : trove
    • You couldn't pay me any sum amount to vote for Bush : mr.sleepy
    • zing! : -Panther-
  • Kerry is working for a free Iraq, too. And has a much better plan for doing so. : DoubleAught()
  • so he kissed kerry's ass? : eldiablo01
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  Kerry. Stop. Fucking. SMILING Especially when they're talking about homeland security and whatnot, it's ... : j33uk
  • Vietnam! Vietnam! Vietnam! : trove
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  Was that a snide comments about the rules?? : st0ck
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    Yeah, I feel like I missed something just now. I heard raised voices. : king_darius
    • Kerry said something sarcastic like: "yeah sure, we can change the rules on the spot". This was after Bus... : surround
• This would be a lot better if someone threw a freakin' hadoken. : slax0r
• Hehe how many times is Bush going to say some variation of "a commander in chief can't send mixed message... : riptyde
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  John Kerry is so fucking annoying it makes me want to vomit. I hate both of these people, why can't we c... : sludge vohaul
  • Run for office!!! : st0ck
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    I can't wait till a black man is in a presidential debate : mr.sleepy
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      just the debate? :P : maulla
      • and a presidency term : mr.sleepy
    • WHAAAAT???! YEEEEEAAAH! : cameljoe
    • We do chicken, RIGHT ON. : Kaiser
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      We need David Palmer. : dmiller
      • I say fuck you Jabu, I do it myself. : riptyde
    • Barack Obama baby. Barack Obama. : mrwolf710
    • I don't care if they are purple as long as they don't fuck things up too badly. : jjlaw
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    Why did Kerry state that there were only 3 countries? He could have even said 'effectively' and it would... : st0ck
    • Yeah, "effectively" would have been good. He gave Bush an opening to make the statement about how 30 cou... : riptyde
  • they. are. politicians. what do you expect? please listen and comment or stfu, thanks! :D :D : DoubleAught()
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  the thing that sucks about these debates is that the stakes are so high (theoretically), and the structur... : Mansmells
  • Both of them do seem to be going off on the strangest tangets and not really answering the question. AND ... : j33uk
  • The debates really don't do anything in terms of issues. It's more in terms of IMAGE. : Kaiser
• gj kerry finally a GREAT point : creep
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  where is Kerry going? was the war a mistake or not? : byorn
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    are you people deaf or does he need to say it four more times : mr brown
    • He doesn't say the same thing, but he flip/flops in a decisive way that people who support him can say he... : Bantis
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    Oooh snap, Bush's response was good there (so wtf are our allies doing?) : j33uk
    • why does Kerry bash the allies when he is making that point? : byorn
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  this is getting good - bush just said "absurd"!! : virus
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    Lead the world?! Did he just fucking say lead the world?? Jeeezus. : speon
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      Ugh. How impertinent : Rice-Rocketeer
      • Definitely, it's even scarier when those things slip out in what appear to be elevated, unmediated respon... : speon
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      I agree, thats small pickiness for a live national debate. : st0ck
      • Aww shit.. here comes N. Korea! : stonedonkey
      • It's a presidential debate. Not a global supremacy football rally. : speon
• Damn , Jim Lehrer gave Kerry a knife with that question about "dying for a mistake". : trove
• Ugh, he needs to stop saying 'wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time', it's getting fucking annoy... : Zeeliv
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  us, britian, australia and.... POLAND! : jrsX
  • hahah HE FORGOT ABOUT POLAND!!! : alexthegreat2
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    lollers! Fear the Polish Powerhouse! : laidback
    • Their sausage is fueling our war effort! : j33uk
  • get the billy mate, we're going to war. : moz
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  Both of them are doing *really* good i'm suprised. Although i'd give hte slight edge to bush, his respo... : snowwolf
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    http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8668929 that explains why they're so coherent. : -Panther-
    • ah no fun :( way less cool then.. : snowwolf
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    90% of what im seeing from bush is the same old rehtoric about "respecting our troops" and all that hogwa... : nukewinter
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      It works though.. think about the majority of people who vote.. alot of this country is down home patroti... : stonedonkey
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        I know it does, and that deeply disturbs me. Especially since nobody has said anything negative about th... : nukewinter
        • Why would they say anything negative about the troops. Our soldiers have done a pretty good job so far. : riptyde
    • and all Kerry says is that Bush screwed up and we should throw money at the problem. Can they both los... : lord cecil
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      should he start saying opposite just to change it up? : byorn
      • he should stop repeating the same bullshit and come up with answers that MATTER. : maulla
      • He could start actually answering questions for a start instead of pandering to blind patriots. : nukewinter
    • I refuse to believe that you just said "hogwash". Are you using the internet from back behind your outhou : -Panther-
  • you've got to be kidding me! Bush is just spouting marketing-type rhetoric, and completely dodging the i... : DoubleAught()
  • I'd have to agree. : slip42o
• Nice job of Bush saying the problems we have in Iraq now are because we did such a great job at the start... : riptyde
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  Bush is a name-dropper : mr brown
  • Kerry was doing the same with state names. Good call on mentioning North Korea tho : j33uk
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    they both do, Kerry talked about the names that supported him. : st0ck
    • Bush is flipping his papers around for no reason : alexthegreat2
    • but Bush is more about "see, I know this guy's name. I'm President. I talk on the phone." : mr brown
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  im liking kerry in this debate : OverBurN
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    GJ Kerry about "Last Resort" : surround
    • i liked it when he was describing the "coalition" : OverBurN
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    He's doing fairly well in the last 20 mins or so, he needs to refine his attacks a little tho, he seems t... : j33uk
    • bush just keeps going back to kerry's flip-flopping, but i can understand where kerry is coming from. ... : OverBurN
• Bush's wry smile doesn't help him IMO : surround
• you know whats the funniest thing about the debates? the networks all adjust the camera angles so that... : mr brown
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  Ok Bush is contradicting himself allot. : ghost hacker
  • Just like Kerry :) : Bantis
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  eww eww eww he just said the american people decided to invade Iraq. I'm going to vomit. : Zeeliv
  • Congress voted in favor, which is assume what he means : j33uk
  • indeed..wtf was that about? : burning eye
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    Why, your elected officials in congress voted to go... that's no inaccurate.. YOU may not have wanted it,... : stonedonkey
    • Fucking democracy -Xian : j33uk
  • dude i totally signed off on it : Mansmells
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    OMFG could Bush possibly answer any more questions with "KERRY CHANGES POSITIONS" when it's not even rele... : nukewinter
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      Great now hes going off on a sob story that has nothing to do with anything. : nukewinter
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        Just like Kerry with his story about meeting people in (insert swing state here) Kerry needs to stay far ... : j33uk
        • Indeed. Bush just did the flip flop, and im commander in chief shit too. FUCK THESE CANDIDATES. Our co... : nukewinter
    • commander in chief my ass : picklepus
• HE SAID DOODIE OMG LOL WTF : multisync
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  Kerry reminds me of Clinton with that right hand thing he's doing. I wonder if he's doing that on purpose... : Portax
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    The hand signals are common in politics. Clinton just did them a lot. Bush does the one with the thumb a ... : jessipoo
    • it's kind of like the political version of the guitar playing stances rock bands use : Mansmells
• the only thing that hes been consistent on, is being inconsistent LOL, are we in high school? : maulla
• bush dosen't sound too good when he goes off script. : jrsX
• you cannot change posithisions : picklepus
• Cry me a fucking river for PJ : surround
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  Bush got his Kerry's number on the flip flop charge, and he rammed the knife home. Watch him do it some ... : trove
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    You mean Kerry is being completely steadfast and solid, and Bush is dodging everything and contridicting ... : DoubleAught()
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      which is why Kerry said "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" earlier in the speech, and then later said "... : Dimmona
      • haha ho he... yeah. Did you even listen to them? Kerry clearly stated he was FOR the war under the prov... : DoubleAught()
  • rofl @ this debate. : wishbone
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    Republicans and those leaning that way will think Bush won this debate. Democrats and those leaning th... : Vorlonesque
    • FUUUUCK! Meant to reply to the main thread. Oh fucking well :[. : Vorlonesque
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  Screw both of these guys. I'm moving to Canadia and becoming a Canuck. And smoke dope. Lots of dope. : Thresher
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    I'm with you on that. except canada is too cold : cryptical
    • at least theres healthcare : creep
  • it is too cold there. : zigzag
  • those damn kids : picklepus
  • this option has worked well for me : lord_omega
  • Move here and we'll get all the shackers to live together and we'll call it "The Shack" : jrsX
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  1/3 of the people who died on 9/11 have now died in Iraq : sludge vohaul
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    40,000 people will die from the flu : st0ck
    • moral equivalence is fun : mr brown
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    wtf, a lot more have died than that. : cameljoe
    • I forgot to say American Soldiers... but yeah, including Iraqis lots have died. : sludge vohaul
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  Kerry has used the phrase "I'll tell you *exactly* what..." a couple times, and I think has visibly tried... : st0ck
  • every time he followed with what Bush did wrong and NEVER what he would do differently aside from throw m... : lord cecil
• what is this 'war on tare' that bush keeps referring to : fluke
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  Hay guyz what about health care and our shitty economy? : snuff
  • Shhh! Look away from the man behind the curtain! Look away! : jessipoo
  • thats debate #3 : mr brown
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  I'm voting independant. : angelparadox
  • er...independent. (?) : angelparadox
• HOLY CRAP JOHNKERRY DOT COM : st0ck
• I knew neither of them would actually answer the question of "was it worth the 1000 troops we've lost in ... : riptyde
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  Wow. Bush is getting slaughtered. John Kerry has always been a champion debater, and it shows. : DoubleAught()
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    this is the wrong war at the wrong times : cygnus
    • question for Bush, what is your opinion on "x"? HE SAID IT'S THE WRONG WAR AT THE WRONG TIME. }r he s : DoubleAught()
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    I think it really depends on who your behind, I'm not really thrilled with either, and both seemed to hav... : stonedonkey
    • I've seen perhaps three good points by Bush this ENTIRE debate. : DoubleAught()
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    I love the abillity of Kerry to promise anything : byorn
    • Bush has been the worst president ever for fiscal responsibility. : DoubleAught()
  • Bush was doing well at about the 20 minute mark, but now that he hits on the "mixed messages" point in EV... : riptyde
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  BUSH: longest silence ever... : johngloid
  • Holy shit, that was the most awesomest 3-4 seconds ever. : thekidd
  • hahaha exactly what i was thinking. God that is awkward. : burning eye
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    he seems to pause for the same exact amount of time every time he pauses.... as if it's rehearsed : mr brown
    • He's waiting for his pre-recorded speech to come over the ear piece. : jessipoo
• why the hell they all talk about freedom in OTHER countries? What happen to US? arent these guys are supp... : youtea
• what was that. O_o : laidback
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  ok he really needs to layoff "changing positions" : Senor PoopyPants
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    I think they should have taught Bush more than 2 rebuttals, then again maybe that’s all he c... : senior spielbergo
    • The colour is slightly better on kerry's camera.. : alexthegreat2
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  what about the ENERGY PLAN? : picklepus
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    Tonight is homeland sec, the next debates will be energy : j33uk
    • mucho gratz : picklepus
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    today is foreign policy and homeland security only : surround
    • Those podiums look like one of my old desks I got at K-mart for my dorm back in '88, come on Miami.. repr... : stonedonkey
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  Bush has no other offense. he only talks about kerry's indecisiviness... but then kerry is friggin talkin... : youtea
  • going in, Kerry is the one who has to prove himself : byorn
  • "The only consistency in my opponent's position is that he's inconsistent." That was awesome. :P : Delusional
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  Bush is a broken record. And unfortunately a lot of people are easily brainwashed. It works for commerc... : rhodesbe
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    I'm just waiting for him to say "evildoers" : Thresher
    • At least it's better than "regime" : slax0r
    • bummer i too was waiting for this : supermonkeyballz
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    how else do you make a point? ever taken a speech class? : byorn
    • Perhaps if his point had any relevance to the topic at hand it might be more understandable. : nukewinter
    • In a speech class you make a point, add evidence, reiterate your point, add evidence, reiterate your poin... : riptyde
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  the only thing consistent about this thread is that it's inconsistent. : jzzyos
  • >:( : creep
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  Damn, Kerry is an impressive debater. : Kaiser
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    I didn't care for Kerry either way, but damn Bush is coming off like a petulant employee who doesn't agre... : jessipoo
    • to borrow a Daily Show expression, the only thing worse than angry Bush, is "gee-golly-gosh-willikers" Bu... : the archvile
    • Kerry > Bush 24-0 : bozer
• you can't question a leader? wtf? : burning eye
• A puppet is you!! : surround
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  ojkay, fuck that noise. I just turned it off. I could've watched just the first 10 minutes and heard it a... : -Panther-
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    I turned it off too. Same shit differnt day, and I've already voted and Kerry irritates the hell out of ... : xocsida
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      I can't decide. I'm pretty conservative so I'd go Bush except his support of the patriot act irks me. Ker... : -Panther-
      • The patriot act is horrible, and raping the constitution with trivial gay marriage crap is as well. Plea... : nukewinter
    • Do me a favour: since you ADMIT to not have even watched the entire debate, don't argue with ANYONE about... : Piotyr
  • watched 5 min and then went back to WoW :P : smax
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  Bush is yesterdays news : 0Rance0
  • Bush is like a little kid wanting a cookie - uh yes lemme say something pleeeeeaaazzzze : surround
• ...they hate our freedom : Zeeliv
• do you think that by Bush repeating Kerry's critcisms ("Wrong war blah blah"), those undecided voters wil... : mr brown
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  Bush looks like he's pissed. I would laugh my ass off if he stepped over and bitch slapped Kerry. : Thresher
  • Heh, yeah, he got kinda riled up on that one... : spl
• I want Clinton back. At least his speeches were interesting. : slax0r
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  Ok, I *do* think it was kind of funny whan Bush talks about 'speaking clearly' : st0ck
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    you'll rue the day you said that. : stonedonkey
    • Did he just say 'rue the day'? Who talks like that? : riptyde
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  Is he trying to justify Iraq by saying "The enemy attacked us", or is he talking about Afghanistan? : nukewinter
  • circular logic oh shit kerry picked up on it : mr brown
  • well spotted : surround
  • His ass just get called on it too... : jessipoo
  • YES finally kerry is showing his teeth : creep
  • woo, thanks kerry. : jrsX
  • he's just a little confused, cut him some slack : Mansmells
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  That was a fucking cheesey outsourcing joke : j33uk
  • Afghani warlords are doing tech support, didn't you know? : snuff
• what about korea/iran and enforcing the prolif. of WMD , huh? : picklepus
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  Although I think using the word 'outsource' when talking about Afgan soldiers is silly. : st0ck
  • however it's somewhat true : mr brown
• kerry is kicking bush's ass. bush is just threatening the US people with another attack if they vote ker... : pizzaknymp
• OK so Saddam didn't attack us, so the Iraq war was and is wrong, right Kerry? Wait...no? I don't understa... : Sparhawk6
• DISARM WHAT?!?! SADDAM DIDNT HAVE ANY WEAPONS!!! : sludge vohaul
• jeez, kerry just ripped bush a new asshole. : burning eye
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  Bush reminds me of Gore in the last series of debates. He keeps jumping in before Kerry's time is up. : Thresher
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    yea and if only Kerry was more charasmatic he could capitialize on it : mr brown
    • it's gotta be hard to be charismatic and fun when the entire US is (or should be) watching you. You don'... : DoubleAught()
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  if the president had he patience to go through another round..yes you asshole with multinational consent : picklepus
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    the dude was with the red tie was kerry dude : esky
    • misreply'd : esky
• kerry would ahve made a better choice : picklepus
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  The fuckery?!?!?! Mentioning Darfur as something that we should do something about, I hope the moderator ... : j33uk
  • But Kerry would have done a better job. : st0ck
  • Hah, he used the "G" word. Try getting any help from the UN for Darfur now. : Kaiser
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  Bush got spanked. If you can make him lose his cool, you see what a mess he is as a leader. Kerry did i... : lont
  • Hmm, Bush fumbled on some words. John Kerry has won the debate and I'm switching my vote. : st0ck
• bush is giving this "debate" the silent treatment. : jrsX
• ATTN: Bush You would look better if you didn't sigh every time it was your turn to talk. : JHelgie
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  bush you are done : picklepus
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    What the fuck is he even going on about now?? : nukewinter
    • its called rope-a-dope : picklepus
  • i dislike both these guys, but bush is looking gawd awful. wow. : badrocket
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  WTF Bush, the International War Crimes Court is a good thing : mr brown
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    Kerry should have asked for another minute and roped his ass about the global warming treaties, as well a... : senior spielbergo
    • yea, he is letting a lot slide : mr brown
  • Sorry no. International bodies have dropped the ball all over the place. UN, Darfur, Iraq, Milosevic, e... : Kaiser
  • Believe it or not, I agree with Bush on this one. Too many countries with a grudge against us would us... : Thresher
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  Is it me or does Bush seem really flustered? He did a much better job 4 years ago, of course Gore didn't... : Thresher
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    Well, the debate topics 4 years ago were also a bit different. Plus I think it's also harder when you ha... : nukewinter
    • yeah, pretty much all bush has to attack kerry on is his voting record which is nothing compared to the t... : -Panther-
    • mexed-missages : cygnus
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  When do we get to the Patriot Act and the Union of Concerned Scientist's report? :/ : Havain
  • excellent question. I think we've covered the review of the "axis of evil", and actions past and plans f... : DoubleAught()
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    This debate is about foreign policy. We get to the domestic stuff in the 2nd and 3rd debates. : riptyde
    • ah. thank you. : DoubleAught()
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  hehe, "nucular terrr peninchula". : the archvile
  • Haha...sounds like a fucked up art rock song title. : speon
• Bush on North Korea: "6 party talks, 5 nation coalition, work with the world, but not bilateral talks" : mr brown
• exactly.... DISARM WHAT???? lol : 0Rance0
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  Why isn't nader in this? : jrsX
  • He didn't get 5% of the votes last voting season : tomservo
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    Because he runs to prove a point, not to try to do the job. : jessipoo
    • I so very much love the way you put this. :) : tomservo
  • He couldn't get a pass out of the mental institute :-) Just kidding. He really should have been invit... : Thresher
  • They don't put politicians who use concise, valid reasoning, answer the questions and can think on their ... : rarshow
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  wtf is the difference between "international talks" and "bilateral talks"??? : mr brown
  • Bilateral are only USA and somebody else. : Havain
  • the spelling? : st0ck
  • International would mean other countries involved, bilateral is direct US to Korea headbashing. If Bus : laidback
  • Bilateral means working with NK to get a peaceful resolution. International Talks means working with oth... : riptyde
• Oh geez the best response Bush could give was that "the agreement wasn't about plutonium, it was about ur... : riptyde
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  bush is in favor of international sanctions when it suits his agenda. he's in favor of wmd sanctions and... : picklepus
  • thanks John! : -Panther-
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    Is it me or does it seem like 90% of the Shack hates Bush? :/ : Bantis
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      uh the shack it predominantly 15-24 year-olds. it's not hard to figure out that it's going to be overwhel... : -Panther-
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        Says the wise old man at 23! :D : moz
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          what can I say, I'm a fast learner! ;) : -Panther-
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            A significant (I'd say over 50% ) are near or above 30 years old. : Hiro
            • really? that would surprise me. I think it may just seem that way because the old-timers are so out-s... : -Panther-
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      That would lead me to believe that 90% of the shack has more than a 6th grade education, and makes less t... : senior spielbergo
      • sigh, thats really just a rude, uncalled for post at best : Bantis
    • I don't know about hate. However, the populous here is fairly intelligent and like I said before - politi... : moz
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  backdoor draft brought to you by the people of the shack! : creep
  • I had a backdoor draft. My underwear had a hole in them. : Thresher
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  It's a good think I never voted for Bush based on his speaking ability. :) : trove
  • the typing error is intended? ;) : st0ck
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    No shit. In terms of debate, Bush is getting handily beaten by Kerry. : Kaiser
    • It's almost sad to look at... I think members of our 8th grade debate team would have shown him up with t... : moz
  • but rather.... ? : mr brown
• kerry has way more experience + evidence. He is kicking ass. bush needs to stop interrupting kerry or ... : youtea
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  On Iraq Bush said troops would not follow someone who had said 'this is the wrong war in the wrong place ... : Delightfuldruid
  • Well if the president doesn't send us into shitty wars we shouldn't be fighting, then he's have no reason... : riptyde
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  I wonder if the media will show Bush yelling into the camera about making sure we have a leader who wont ... : johnny skidmarks
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    A *slight* difference between what Bush did and what Dead did lol : Sparhawk6
    • You're right. Dean went crazy out of joy. Bush yelled out of anger and pretty much made a threat that ... : johnny skidmarks
• holyshit, stfu about flip flopping. MY GOD. : burning eye
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  bush "um's/uh's" dead silence stutter increasing ^ 10 : badrocket
  • mexed missages heh : eggnoodles
• Bush: Stop saying 'mixed messages' Kerry: Stop saying "I'll tell you exactly how, but first...." and the... : lord cecil
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  Oh man, that Yale comment was just hillarious, isn't that supposed to be "against the rules" this time ar... : nukewinter
  • I missed that one; what did he say? : the archvile
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  http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8668932 http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8669233 ... : My Documents
  • ^_^ : moz
• Do they have any numbers on who the soldiers in Iraq are voting for? : Havain
• "i just know how this world works" lol : wishbone
• bush said "mix messages" way too many times. he has 0 speaking skills. : youtea
• Aw, hugs. *love* : Kaiser
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  haha bush may be stumbling, but what in gods name is kerry talking about right now? you must be certai... : lakren
  • They're both just going off, it's quite funny : j33uk
• Wow.. he winched at stem cell... : laidback
• yes stemcell research is a priority : picklepus
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  He wont hold it against him that he went to Yale.. hehe. I just thought they were very strict about stuf... : nukewinter
  • Misreply oops, was answering to person who asked what the "yale jab" was. : nukewinter
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  WTF does Kerry keep talking about "plan to win the peace". What fucking plan to win the peace is going to... : Delusional
  • Its called exit strategy. You know, steps we plan to take before going to war in order to establish peace... : johnny skidmarks
  • I wouldn't waste your time here :) If you don't agree with the mass you're just going to get torn down. : Bantis
  • please get familiar with the term before blasting Kerry on it. plskthxgbye. : DoubleAught()
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  what did i just say wmd prolif.?? thank you kerry : picklepus
  • Bush: "Transhipment" I like that word : inmcm
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  Wait, did Kerry just say we're not going to have nukes anymore? : angelparadox
  • New ones... at least. : snuff
  • no..we're not going to research and develop new nukes because it doesn't make sense : sludge vohaul
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    Do you really need them anymore? : ghost hacker
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      If we can make smaller weapons that do the job of larger, conventional weapons, I'm for it. : StuMan1337
      • What about all that radiation that floats around afterwards? : riptyde
  • uhh he said they will follow the nuclear proliferation treaty the united states signed with the rest of t... : feek
  • no he said hes going to stop the development of a new type of nuclear weapon that penetrates the ground b... : eggnoodles
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    That would guarantee my vote if i was american. I've always wondered why no one else is allowed to have t... : jrsX
    • And Isreal !!!! : ghost hacker
    • Great Britain, France, Russia, and China have nuclear weapons. The U.S. getting rid of its nukes while th... : Portax
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  Who is the Reagan-moderator looking guy? : tomservo
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    Jim Lehrer, news anchor for PBS. : the archvile
    • Good ol' PBS. :D : tomservo
• "transshipment" : wishbone
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  English mother fuck do you speak it? : senior spielbergo
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    Keep it to this thread and keep it civil. Everything else will be nuked. : Bantis
    • Pulp Fiction quotes are perfectly civil. : myLeftTesticleofFury
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  anybody know where kerry is getting this "13 years" figure? : GloriousCow
  • based on how much there is and how much bush has got in the last 4 years? : jrsX
• I laugh how Bush always says My Administration. Never him personally, it's the Administration. Besides so... : u sir name
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  IT"S WHAT KIM JUNG WANTS!! : inmcm
  • at first he said "kim jim]/ heh. : burning eye
• Oh no. I think Putin just sent Drago from Rocky IV to kill us all now. :( : laidback
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  tonight was all kerry. : picklepus
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    roflmao! Good one. : slip42o
    • totally agreed : Bantis
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    Agreed. Bush showed how pompous he is with his smirks and Rodney Dangerfield faces while Kerry was speak... : Force[FED]
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      im listening to npr on the computer. i thought they were only aloud to have the person speaking on camera... : feek
      • I think the networks made sure that it was THEIR choice to point the cameras wherever they wanted. I thi... : Force[FED]
      • Ya, the networks said "fuck that, we'll show who we want!!!" and so they did. Split screen wise. : Hiro
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    it's too bad the country is so divided : mr.sleepy
    • Hate to say, but we know it's true...the bible thumpers love Bush. That's where the division occurs. ... : Force[FED]
  • I agree, Kerry should see a nice jump in the morning. : senior spielbergo
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  I want new bunker busting tactical nucular weapons. : Kaiser
  • LOL! That' was the only thing I could think when that came up. : WaterSign
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  Isn't Vladimir a title, or am I incorrect in saying that? : slax0r
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    its his first name : josecuervo
    • I stand corrected, then. Nevermind. : slax0r
  • No, it's his first name. : riptyde
  • It's a proper name. : Thresher
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  Come on America i know Kerry isnt the greatest out ther ebut you have to see what the world has seen the ... : Delightfuldruid
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    Why is it that people can't just agree to disagree here? Just because you feel you are right, doesn't mak... : Bantis
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      agreeing to disagree is a cop-out. It is a deliberate attempt at ignoring the facts, at weighing informa... : DoubleAught()
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        It's a copout for politicians, but for friends I wouldn't say so. We're not all going to agree here, and ... : Bantis
        • hmmm. I think it's very possible people might have information that I don't, and I'd like to find out wh : DoubleAught()
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  What is the deal with the Flag pins? Both of them have them on and it seems pretty stupid. We get they a... : inmcm
  • It's so we can remember which country they're running in : j33uk
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    If you dont wear flag pins you hate america. : tension
    • Kramer: I choose not to wear the ribbon! You're a ribbon pusher! : Bantis
    • If you don't wear a pin, the terrorists win. : Thresher
  • Those came into favor a couple of years back. I think every politician, news anchor, etc wears one. : riptyde
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  So where is the debate drinking game? : Havain
  • Everyone who was playing the drinking game is now dead. : slax0r
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  incredible mess in iraq. it's not what the american people thought when they voted. : picklepus
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    I agree but the People of your country need to correct a mistake and everyone makes mistakes! its ok just... : Delightfuldruid
    • The thing is, like people everywhere, a large majority are gullible and easily convinced. People hear Bu... : nukewinter
• Good discussion duing the debate.... I gained a lot of respect for Kerry tonight. : Str8Dog
• yes kerry, tell the american people : picklepus
• http://www.belfastdec.org/globalissues/bush.jpg : KCPlanet
• we hear you kerry : picklepus
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  Bush did a good job of putting in a point of how there would be no draft. I think it was important for h... : riptyde
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    Yea I agree; it doesn't help that the liberal media makes him out to be the devil. : Bantis
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      liberal media : feek
      • Oxymoron :P : Havain
    • You've got to be kidding me. : jessipoo
    • Liberal media doesn't have to do that, Bush does a pretty good job all by himself. Is this Hannity? ... : Force[FED]
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      OK I'm just going to give up. If I don't agree with the mass I get torn down. sigh : Bantis
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        You seem to have a serious persecution complex. Any post made that challenges you in the least automatica... : jessipoo
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          No, read a lot of the above. It's one thing to debate, but when you are just making fun of another's view... : Bantis
          • You didn't offend me, dude, just grow a slightly thicker skin. All I see above is some gentle ribbing at ... : jessipoo
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        That's not it at all, atleast not for me. I am just sick of hearing diehard republicans whine that every... : Force[FED]
        • And that commen't I'm totally OK with. :) : Bantis
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  I think Kerry wiped up the floor with Bush. Bush was CONSTANTLY interupting Jim Lehrer! Its like he wasnt... : suicidemachine
  • I accidentally posted this outside the thread earlier... Kerry's speech patterns were much calmer and ... : speon
  • It's similar to what Gore did during the last debates, except Gore was a bit worse. : Thresher
• Bush blinks way to much to be telling the truth. : Pneum0
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  seperation of government and religion eh? : jrsX
  • That probably got him votes tho *sigh* : nukewinter
  • Please don't be talking about his "god continue to bless america" stuff. I really hope you aren't sugges... : DinK
• http://img84.exs.cx/img84/6158/dinc-dapperkerry.jpg : mr brown
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  And now let the pundits begin! : riptyde
  • Battle of the talking heads : pigvomit
  • That kids is the difference between a A student and C student. : senior spielbergo
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  Fuck this nonsense. GET YOUR ASS TO MARS BF1942 YOU IDIOTS! : Phil
  • I'm too busy watching Red Dawn to prepare for the incoming Putin invasion after the last question asked. ... : laidback
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  Bush is the clear winner here simply because nothing significant happened. When you're losing by the marg... : Delusional
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    Bush made himself look like a fool almost the entire debate, how exactly is he the clear winner? : nukewinter
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      He's not the winner of the debate. The debate is at best a tie. He's the overall winner because he's ahea... : Delusional
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        I just don't see how anyone can not consider Bush the clear loser of this debate. : nukewinter
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          Because not a single mind is going to be changed as a result of this debate and that's what Kerry needs. : Delusional
          • I don’t see how you can say that, there are a lot of folks who decided who to vote for by th... : senior spielbergo
          • Every single one of your posts triggers your name in my head in a repeating loop. This string is no exce... : myLeftTesticleofFury
  • Am not gonna fight this one lol but guy whats are you watching? you are the votes that will decide yo... : Delightfuldruid
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  ok does this take the lead for biggest thread ever? : creep
  • not yet, several of the monster threads of old are 600+ posts : magila
• I dunno. In the end I might call it a tie. It turned out with Kerry being strong and Bush repeating him... : DinK
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  Advance Conspiracy Theory: If Kerry gets a good boost from this, I thinking some "terror" thing is gong t... : inmcm
  • Because catching Osama is a bad thing? He's toast dude. : Kaiser
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  Guys, don't spoil it for the West Coasters. :( : drucifer
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    um, im in hawaii..it was live. : burning eye
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      don't ruin my jokes :( : drucifer
      • tivo's been out for years though .. i demand spoiler tags :( : Mansmells
  • LOOOOOOOOOOO : moz
  • heh, I'm on the west coast. get satellite! :P : DoubleAught()
• Is there a link to download this debate in full? My cable had no sound and the captions were pretty badl : megarust32
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  John Kerry: Bringing complete sentences back to the white house. : arutay
  • olololo .. i spit out my drink : Mansmells
• why does edwards have a goiter on his lip? "here's a quarter, go down to the nearest alley and have a... : draconic
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  Kerry pwned, I'm happy for him. Bush was like a child struggling to remember his campaign flip flop line ... : thebigbeefsandwhich
  • It was like watching a 6 year old debate against a 30 something year old. Kerry will get a good boost fro... : arutay
• This has been fun, I watched refreshed a every now and then, great entertainment guys. My favorite part ... : pigvomit
• Henry Rollins won this one. He is DEFINATELY the next pres. : Havain
• As an unbiased observer, I get the distinct impression of Kerry: 1 Bush: 0 ... : WillingZombie
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  Big props to Jim Lehrer for keeping it civil, and focusing on differentiating the two candidates. I wi... : jimmy-buffett
  • I thought he did a great job and asked some very good questions, unfortunately both of them pretty much a... : senior spielbergo
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  So who decides who officially wins a debate, or is there an official decleration? : lord cecil
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    You do... : Boxelder
    • They both lose? Kerry just said "Bush was wrong, the war was wrong" and Bush just said "we're gonna stay ... : lord cecil
  • Delusional decides it, see above : Mansmells
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  you have no way of knowing , but it was my nuked thred that promped this official shack thred. i am th... : picklepus
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    With all due respect to my opponent here, it was my thread which was also nuked, that prompted swift acti... : pigvomit
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      Im gonna shank Bush. Bring on the FBI! : Havain
      • what the hell? : pigvomit
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  jesus christ, even the Fox News guys are impressed by kerry. : burning eye
  • Oh shit we are all gonna die!! : senior spielbergo
  • Hell, I was impressed by Kerry. and I'm part of the Vast Right Wing Hate Machine. : Kaiser
  • one of them said "Bush sighed alot"!!! : mr brown
• That debate was like having two ebaumsworld soundboards and clicking until you randomly got a point acros... : jigstah
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  I noticed a lot of blinking lights on Bush's side, which surprised me greatly. I thought it was his camp... : itsjames
  • Yeah, because they worked on Kerry. Maybe bush can't plan out his conclusion 10-15 secs ahead of time. ... : DinK
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  I just have to state that I apparently can't understand how anyone can technically "win" this debate. It'... : K1Bond007
  • I identify with the one who actually responds with legitimate answers to questions and doesn't stutter an... : nukewinter
• Damn impressive Kerry. Bush looked befuddled. : cap n KRUNCH
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  wow, these fox news guys are amazing. : DoubleAught()
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    What are they donig? (I have no TV) : jhof
    • spinning it like there's no tomorrow : DoubleAught()
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  VOTE ON MSNBC: WHO WON THE DEBATE? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6123733 So far: Pres. Bush 27% ... : mr.sleepy
  • Wow, 68000 votes already. : nukewinter
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    Too bad this isn't a vote that really counts for anything : jessipoo
    • Yeah :( : mr.sleepy
  • CNN POLL George W. Bush 7% John Kerry 92% http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/ : badrocket
  • haha, what's funny is it's not that Kerry addressed lots of issues but Bush just can't speak/debate/think... : moz
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    come on, this is not fair. You know most people who will vote for Bush don't know how to use the intern... : ease_one
    • they are to busy beating people over the head with their bibles.... : Str8Dog
  • Nobody wins... : CrimsonHandHiro
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  i wish kerry had gone more into specific details of what a spiraling shithole iraq is like all the journ... : mankeroo
  • Dear god, I would hope the Govt Intel agencies are a tad bit better than journalists. : Kaiser
  • nah that would have made him look like an asshole. He handled it well, just pointed in that direction and... : Str8Dog
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  Fun debate. Bush pnwed. Time for bed. : Dimmona
  • what debate were you watching? : Str8Dog
  • I am sitting here, dumbfounded, confused with my jaw dropped in utter disbelief that you think Bush actua... : mr.sleepy
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    this is a no troll zone! :D : creep
    • explain exactly how me thinking Bush pwned Kerry is a troll? I though Kerry came across as inconsistent,... : Dimmona
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  is thsi going to re-play anywhere/anytime? : arizona bay
  • probably cspan all night : pigvomit
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  Ok...I'll give you my biased viewpoint on this debate. Kerry did a better job, OH GOD IT BURNS...heh ... : xocsida
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    Agree and Expounding on that. Kerry won on style and delivery. Bush wins on substance. (Most righties... : Kaiser
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      Bush won on substance? Kerry was the one giving evidence to his points, Bush just kept saying "we must s... : riptyde
      • Exactly. There was no real substance in Bush's speach. He kept saying "kerry flips and flops," "I'm a stu : speedy3d
      • I'm talkins specifically about the retorts and rebuttals about Iran, North Korea and Darfur. : Kaiser
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    You would need a scanning tunneling electron microscope that is looking through a miniature scanning tunn... : haiku
    • http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8653123 : moz
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  Saw this summary on the web and I agree: John Kerry plus: He does not come across as arrogant and : Visceral Monkey
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    I think the John Kerry minus is debatable, while the President's plus is also debatable. There were too ... : cajuncook
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      I feel Kerry gave a very clear and coherent message. Yes he believes it was the wrong war, wrong time...... : jhof
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        If he believes it was the wrong war at the wrong time then why did he vote for it? : Katarn3279
        • Because he said flat out that it was the wrong war, he wouldn't have done it the way Bush did, but that t... : WillingZombie
        • Because at the time, and I remember listening to Bush's speeches at that time, Bush was talking about wor... : riptyde
        • because at the time the evidence pointed to it being the right war at the right time...turns out bush and... : hellen keller
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          So I thought I might vote for Nader until I watched the debate tonight, but it tonight made me realize I ... : owtwerd
          • argh, misreply. : owtwerd
    • I think that while he wasn't completely consistent with some of what he said ("wrong war wrong place wron... : Dimmona
  • He has an air of authority, experience, and purpose What experience? OK, so he's been deep in this pr... : riptyde
  • authority, experience, and purpose wtf : mr brown
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  The Daily Show is about to come on, woo! : j33uk
  • Thank you Daily Show, for cutting through this bs : j33uk
• Considering that the war on terror is (according to the polls), the issue that Americans prefer Bush to o : itsjames
• In a word: silly. : AtaR1
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  i'm watching this cspan stream...i thought they said they won't put the camera on the candidate who isn't... : vassili_zaitsev
  • That is what the rules said, but the networks can say fuck the rules. And they did. Go #1st amendment. : mojoald
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  It takes me 13 flicks of the mousewheel to get to the bottom of this thread. : Magitek
  • it only takes me 6, i win! : Erit
  • 11 here. It's hard work. : Jumperus
• When even FNC is saying good things about Kerry, you know Bush is in trouble. : mr brown
• Wow, I've had to turn off DThread because the massiveness of this biyatch is almost crashing Firefox. : riptyde
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  amazing that the daily show managed to whip up a show on such short notice : GloriousCow
  • It's pretty damned good tho, although given how predictable most of the issues were, it's not that hard t... : j33uk
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  Is it just me or is the Shack really slow with long threads? When you click on a reply you see *'s slowly... : clubboi
  • firefox chokes worse than msync : mr brown
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    it's slow. It's actually faster to open a comment in a new window : thekidd
    • :( : clubboi
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  Sean Hannity is a grade A cocksucker. : WillingZombie
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    what's he saying right now? : itsjames
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      He asks a question and then answers it for his guest, trying to put words in his mouth. He won't even shu... : WillingZombie
      • I really hate that guy : itsjames
      • The best is how he always has to have the last word. He'll let his guest get a response in, and then tel... : riptyde
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    Yeah, read his book "Let Freedom Ring" I believe it's called. He's such a full-of-shit, opinionated, spin... : Jumperus
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      subtitle: Winning the War against Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism : mr brown
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        I like how conservatives have made liberal a bad word like communist or rapist or something. : riptyde
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          it's genius, almost : mr brown
          • Seems to me that the words conservative/liberal are "bad words" to hardcore people from the other side. ... : DinK
• sup guys whats going on in this political thread : skynet
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  aw crap I missed the debate - anything happen? : peter
  • They fought to the death with energy batons while William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy coached them from the... : WillingZombie
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    If you've heard it before, you've heard it 1000 times. Put kerry's side through an "articulate mr fixi... : DinK
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      My version was better. : WillingZombie
      • ^^^ truth : itsjames
    • Bush isnt an ordinary guy, though. He's said so himself. He's doing God's work, after all. : johnny skidmarks
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      Bush needs to get off the "ordinary guy" thing. He was born into a wealthy New England family, went to t... : riptyde
      • Well if it works, he won't. And just because he's rich and privledged doesn't mean he can't be simple. ... : DinK
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      I read that first as "let me stop and drink". : the archvile
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        Hehe that was before he found Jesus : riptyde
        • The stop and drink would make for the best debates ever. If Jesus wants to interfere, he should use ligh... : DinK
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    The rich white guy from Yale totally kicked ass tonight! : jccalhoun
    • More specifically, the one who was in Skull & Bones : riptyde
• this thread is killing my damn computer. oh well... anyways, as expected, Bush is a horrid debater and di... : tomatoactivator
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  The debates really are never really on substance 24 hours afterwards, its about what happened that people... : st0ck
  • LOL, could that be any more slanted? God I hate the media. : WillingZombie
  • Bush dodges question of when troops come home but stands firm with troops. WTF, you shouldn't get a "b... : riptyde
  • Of course - he doesn't mention anything bad about bush. This blog is a "view from the right" as it says ... : Polysorbate
  • amazingly biased blog there. sure, what did I expect, but wow.... I saw 2 comments that could possibly b... : DoubleAught()
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  The president ended saying "We've climbed the mighty mountain. I see the valley below and it is a valley : NastyJack
  • it's the hidden valley where delicious ranch dressing is made : Senor PoopyPants
• Ahahah Bush said "pre-September 10th" when talkin about 9/11. You'd think he should know the date and ... : omnova
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  I think Kerry finally gave clear and concise answers after a bit of mushmouth at the beginning. Bush... j... : Rauol Duke
  • iawtp. : deathmuppeter
  • Thanks. Reading that gave me encouragement that maybe your country hasn't gone mad...but we'll see how... : Piotyr
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  Via Drudge: Unbeknownst to Kerry adviser Mike McCurry, a C-SPAN camera quietly followed McCurry as he : jimmy-buffett
  • I agree. Everyone was in such a panic to claim victory that the spins are very weak tonight. Good sign ... : Dread Pirate Roberts
  • I have the impression that he is saying this in preparation for the next debates. Kinda how they kept ... : MrLobo
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    Honestly now, did you watch the debate? I tried, but failed to get any kind of idea what Bush's plan for... : DoubleAught()
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      Honestly now, did you watch the debate? What part of my post gave you the impression that I didn't? ... : jimmy-buffett
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        The part where you agreed it was a draw. Check out the transcript one subthread down. There is simply n... : DoubleAught()
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          The part where you agreed it was a draw. Check out the transcript one subthread down. There is simply no : jimmy-buffett
          • oooohhhhhhh you don't want to talk facts, you want to talk impressions. /end objectiveness Bush got : DoubleAught()
      • if you're claiming to be undecided, I'm going to drown myself in a bucket of water. : Piotyr
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  Debate Transcript http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040930/NEWS09/40930003 : Kaiser
  • informative this mofo! thx. : DoubleAught()
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    Informative my ass...this guy's obviously a jaded right wing ignoramous.... : hellen keller
    • damn...pwned by the reply button... : hellen keller
  • link marked for later, thx : Megara9
  • sweet...thx for the link : clain
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  damn needed to make this on the front page...im tired of scrolling >:( : cap n KRUNCH
  • iawtp, teh shack wasn't designed for fucking hugexor dthreads like this. : DoubleAught()
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  I thought this thread was capped at 100 replies? : lord_omega
  • Capped just means you have to click on the "read all" link so you can see all the replies :-) It doesn't ... : rarshow
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  http://instapundit.com/archives/018160.php Hmm.. interesting points about the markets. : Kaiser
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    those things are useless : mr brown
    • I thought the Presidential markets were pretty decent.? *shrug* : Kaiser
  • OK terrorist supporting state and member of axis of evil, please have some free nuclear fuel from us - yo : fapitalism
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  MSNBC viewer poll: 70% of people thought Kerry won. Joe Scarborough, ex-congressman (R) and right wing... : steelsamurai
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    Dude, I dont think MSNBC's viewship is large enough to count as a sample size. 40 people just doesnt cut ... : mojoald
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      CNN viewer poll: 79% Kerry, 18% Bush, 4% tie. PS: MSNBC has had 500,000 votes, still showing 70% Kerr... : steelsamurai
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        ABCNews viewer poll: 45% Kerry, 36% Bush, 17% tie 500 person sample haha. : steelsamurai
        • CBSNews viewer poll: 44% Kerry, 26% Bush, 30% tie, 200 person sample. Jeez, why would these twits bo... : steelsamurai
  • FoxNews Poll: Bush won by tearing Kerry's head off with his own bare hands. : sanchez
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  Is there a poll on Fox? I'd like to see how the polls from CNN and the and other websites compare. : Priest77
  • I didn't see one, but this would be very interesting most fox viewers are neanderthals who can't use c : itsjames
  • they wouldn't accept criticism. ALL HAIL GLORIOUS LEADER BUSH! : Postal
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  OH MAN. BUSH GOT SERVED. Of course, Bush followers will be working overtime to spin this the other way... : Crinity
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    Sounded like the usual BS to me, Kerry: What Bush is doing is bad, very very bad. I'll make everythin : magila
    • You know, I sort of believe that you have the necessary skills to nab a master's in government and politi : Jumperus
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      I'm going to go ahead and guess that you didn't really watch it much... you didn't even have to pay at... : Piotyr
      • oh I caught most of it (actualy I listened to the NPR stream) and I'm not questioning that Kerry "won" th... : magila
• All I can say is bless C-SPAN for doing the split-screen thing. I don't think the candidates should be ab... : one beach bum
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  anybody else notice how they raised Bush's platform up so that he would be at eye level with kerry during... : YamatoTwinkie
  • Its a standard TV technique called equal head room. All networks do it, and not just in debates. : mojoald
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  One Canadian's Opinion: Ok, you all know this is a formal debate, right? I was the captain of my high ... : Piotyr
  • I noticed bush had a hell of a lot of dead air as well, 3 or 4 times where he stopped completely for 5 se... : alexthegreat2
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  WHOEVER WINS, WE LOSE : KungFuKenobi
  • This is sadly one of the best posts in the thread : hawkeye
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    idawtp. Since this debate was about foreign policy, Kerry's plans seem realistic, strong, and as detaile : DoubleAught()
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      Kerry's plan was "exactly" that Bush's plan is wrong. Kerry's plan is almost the bloody same judging by ... : hawkeye
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        I hit TAB+Space >:( Kerry's plan was "exactly" that Bush's plan is wrong. Kerry's plan is almost the b... : hawkeye
        • IAWTP : magila
        • But I don't recall anything resembling a coherent, useful, and complete plan for fixing Iraq from either : DoubleAught()
  • *sigh* so true... : mrtony
  • Bah-hahaha, KvB - KISS YOUR PLANET…}y GOOD-BYE! : anonimo
• Watching this debate made it clear why GWB did not want to debate in the first place. : mofo
• What was with Jim Lehrer saying in the beginning that the candidates don't know what the questions will b... : riptyde
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  If you're not watching Jon Stewart right now, you should be ashamed. : thekidd
  • Wow, that interview with Rudy Giuliani was fucking worthless. A 10-minute political debate on a comedy sh... : Magitek
• $50 is already too much, they want to jack it another $5-10?! FIGHT! Wait, which debate is this again : anonimo
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  Holy shit--biggest thread ever? : PenicillinX57
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    I think we might have had some bigger ones. Quake 3's curved surfaces comes to mind. : slax0r
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      You may say that, but you would be wrong. Longest thread ever is the Shack Movie Thread: http://www.s... : thekidd
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        I didn't say the curved surfaces was the biggest one, just that it may be closer or larger than this one. : slax0r
        • I understand now. I just got sidetracked in my search for that thread.... which I can't find >:( I'm... : thekidd
    • oh man, the mere mention of curved surfaces riles me up. : mrtony
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  I know this is unpopular on the shack, but I really hope Bush is re-elected. Kerry is just a dope they pu... : BoxRocker
  • I'm with you man. Honestly, I think Kerry did better in the debate, but I would still prefer Bush in off... : Priest77
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    head a 'splode! Here's the thing: most of the people generally following the election thought that of ... : Piotyr
    • ^^^ agree 1000% yes, folks were anti bush and would have voted anyone in as the opposite party, but Kerry... : thebigbeefsandwhich
    • Yeah.. I saw that. Gullianni looked like a total jackass. I hate to say that... but man he just totally b... : K1Bond007
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      I didn't see him establish a stance on anything. I did see him avoid questions though and kill his time a... : BoxRocker
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        -he established his stance on the war: he was for the disarmament of saddam, but didn't think bush's use ... : Piotyr
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          I'll agree with you there, Kerry did have a good point on North Korea, but Kerry didn't have me convinced... : Priest77
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            Kerry didn't really focus on Bush botching the 9/11 attacks or try to insinuate he could have done a bett : Piotyr
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              ^^^ Canadian public speaking champion right here folks : moz
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                ;) what's it been, 4 years of harassment? : Piotyr
                • I will never forget! : moz
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              I don't know why everyone is repeating that quote. To me, that issue is is the biggest reason I do not l... : Priest77
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                i wont go into it again since its been done to death but 1) votes in congress are often strategical a... : Morgin
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                  I call BS. There is a time for playing political games and there is a time for getting shit done. Kerry... : Priest77
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                    Kerry was voting against the rest of the bill: : yonderboy
                    • dwned by altpostform. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?con... : yonderboy
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                      Which consisted of? Please, give me something good. : Priest77
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                        According to Yonderboy's post about $65 billion was going to our troops. The rest of it looked okay to m... : Priest77
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                          no offence, but what the hell do you know about a balanced federal budget? Just the percentages are gr... : Piotyr
                          • No offense either, but what the hell do you know about a balanced federal budget? Probably about about a... : Priest77
                        • Yeah, that was the whole bill. If there was another bill for sending $65bil to the troops, that might be... : yonderboy
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                to say Bush overspent on this war would be an understatement; I can understand why he would be hesitant t : Piotyr
                • Sure great, so when Kerry is elected into office and finally gets around to spending more money and train... : Priest77
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          Nothing can make North Korea a bigger threat than when Clinton gave them nuclear fuel for free. Dem... : fapitalism
          • and Clinton made it clear that he was prepared to order military strikes if north korea showed signs of r... : Piotyr
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          While I think his line about the $87 billion was great, I also think you're being too charitable here. ... : maddy
          • the funniest line of the debate was Bush saying "hey guys! come over to my coalition of the great diversi... : jigstah
    • Let me tell you EXACTLY what I'd do: Bush ___ bush ___ bush ____ : jigstah
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    The Shack is rabidly pro-Bush. Think of the demographics. All the Demos are off on K5 or MeFi. : yonderboy
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      I would say that the majority of non-American shackers are making up a lot of the outspoken anti-bush com... : Piotyr
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        Well, most of us American's don't give a shit who we piss off. That's what's so great about being an Amer... : BoxRocker
        • I think you could have put that a little more eloquently, but... yeah. : Priest77
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          ^^^Does not represent most Americans. Especially the more educated, intelligent ones that have experienc... : brewsterdog
          • He doesn't? How do you know that? : Priest77
          • I'm pretty well educated. I didn't go to Yale but I did manage to stay on the Dean's list, President's li... : BoxRocker
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          rofl! This post is great ;) : Megara9
          • This is a good one, I only just noticed it. LOL indeed. : moz
        • And you live in constant fear ENJOY! : -TKF-
        • I seriously hope you are joking =/ : nukewinter
        • And you guys often wonder why we perceive you as ignorant.. :P : aaarrrgh
    • Or Fark. At least the Shack seems to be a little more evenly balanced. Fark makes me want to puke somet... : Priest77
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      Except for those crazy democrats who like talking about video games... and live in Kansas of all places. : sgtsanity
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        No shit! They don't even have electricity there. : Priest77
        • We have to circle the wagons twice a week to fight off the Indian attacks. That and Fred Phelps, but e... : sgtsanity
      • There's a bunch from Seattle and Portland too (Land of the Lesbians!), but that doesn't change the fact t... : yonderboy
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      No, just a couple of trolls make it seem that way. A large percentage of the Shack is better aligned with... : MeenMunky
      • I'd probably fall in the "third-party" category as well (I voted green party last cdn federal election), ... : Piotyr
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        think so? the shack has definitely seemed quite pro-bush imho. So much so that before this thread I too : DoubleAught()
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          If you go by just political threads it would seem that way, but most of them are the same people parrotin... : MeenMunky
          • I haven't seen your great epiphany yet. : Priest77
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      Wow no. We have some Bush people here. I am one of them. However, the shack leans WAYYYYY to the left.... : rosewood
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        Rosewood.... I knew I liked you for some reason. ;) : BoxRocker
        • And I thought it was for my poignant commentary ! : rosewood
        • Funny… I was just thinking I hated him for some reason… he flies too good, kills : anonimo
    • which explains all the "kerry ownz bush" comments : BadRespawn
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    And Bush is the dope the Neo-Cons put up there? Seriously, this guy practices virtually none of tradition... : johnny skidmarks
    • well said, sir : riptyde
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  http://ajax.shackspace.com/screenshot.png : Ajax
  • Fake yet accurate. :/ GO BLUE!!! GO BUSH!!! : Kaiser
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  i dont have tv : sexninja!!!!
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    This is what happens when you live under the desk at the oval office :( : moz
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      Troll . : Priest77
      • No. They generally live under bridges, not desks. : moz
  • I have a TV - 4 in the house actually ... and a TV card. But I was watching boobies, so do I get the f... : rosewood
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  Free/Freedom Count: (number of times a candidate said "free" or "freedom"*) Kerry: 4 Bush: 38 *Ba... : Piotyr
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    haha how about kill/killers? I noticed bush said that a lot, and he said baby-killers and child-killers ... : alexthegreat2
    • Kerry: 7 Bush: 6 Kerry said it a lot in terms of saying he would kill the terrorists responsible (omg... : Piotyr
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  Kerry did well, called Bush out on a few points but could have done a lot more in those regards. Two min... : brewsterdog
  • omfg I just noticed how LONG this thread is. Also, how many times did Bush say "hard work"? Daily Show ... : brewsterdog
  • Well then, that's a relief! It seemed like Bush was just saying all the stuff people wanted to hear, "I ... : Rasnowl
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  <UT Announcer>MMMONSTER KILLTHREAD!]b}r</UT Announcer> : anonimo
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    This thread is bigger than a 747! : Maddog_Delphi97
    • 2 whole posts bigger! As of now : Megara9
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    Now it's a 767. 11 more posts and we'll need Boeing to build a new plane! : riptyde
    • did someone say boeing? : FrayLo
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  I'm just posting here so I can be a part of the biggest shack thread ever...or is it? : red2lucas
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    Not quite… http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8670923 We got a ways to go, but we can DOO EET! : anonimo
    • well, this one has 10x the text of that thread anyways. : badrocket
• This thread is impossible to read. When I click a comment it takes so long to load that by the time it's... : dltrem
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  Kerry did the near impossible and made me and my fiance want to vote Republican for the first time in our... : Lightzout
  • Care to explain how he did that? : riptyde
  • lol sweet : skynet
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  Holy molasses batman... thread update time: 48 seconds ! damn the shack is slow... btw Bush sucks but not... : BigT
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    only takes about 5 seconds here. you must be on a small pipe. : Slowtreme
    • nah .. 10Mb .. only 2-3 people using it now.. but we are at the other side of the atlantic and carnivore ... : BigT
• we're gonna need one of these every day for the next 2 weeks : mr brown
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  Everyone here better vote or all this debate is pointless!!! : kgargonmagrix79
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    hard to get motivated to do so when 98% of your state sees bush as some kind of [twisted] messiah. : badrocket
    • even more reason to get motivated. prove there are intelligent people in your area. : thebigbeefsandwhich
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  This debate sucked because: ......................................................... *It was about f : jrock
  • i just want to see a steel cage death match at the end. Kerry's got the hand to hand combat, but Bush ... : joekamel
  • While I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion, your point about how Kerry doesn't actually get around... : DoubleAught()
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  lol @ guy from work "the reason I don't watch the debate is because it's too political." uh, politi... : FrayLo
  • haha what does he expect? tribal counsel at the end? : Senor PoopyPants
• oh roflcopters, this is hilarious. Early on in the thread almost every post is about how Kerry is pwning... : DoubleAught()

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  You're going to share, right? As for price, you could call a local pro photography place, give them th... : cacktrot
  • I'll ask permission to post a few and see how it goes. I'm sure I can spin it just right. Portfolio, bl... : Phil
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  Phil.. you are a GOD AMONG PERVERTS : Mr.Fusion
  • IAWTP ^^^^ : Kevin232465
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    I prefer EMPEROR OF THE PERVERTS. But thanks! : Phil
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      also, I'd charge like 100 bucks : Mr.Fusion
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        on second thought.. 50-75 might be better if its only a few shots : Mr.Fusion
        • I'll probably take around 100 shots per session, so maybe $100 is pretty good. The mom was saying the ot... : Phil
• Dear Diary ... : Audhuml4
• I know it's not the same thing, but when I was working for the newspaper, as a photog with no experience,... : thekidd
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  I would charge buttsex : AssGoblin
  • comment + nickname = lollerskates : DoubleAught()
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  early mornin bumpage. I'm thinking $100 bucks, does that sound about right? : Phil
  • Make them sign a contract saying you own the pictures but they are free to duplicate them if they wish. ... : matrix
• Open phonebook, look up "Photography / Protraits", call one of the places that looks reputable, and ask h... : MatthewPhillips
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  DO IT FOR FREE!!! AS A FAVOR!! It'll be like givin' em crack for the first time. They'll keep coming back... : LexLuther
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    This was my first thought as well :) But I've got a $4,500.00 air conditioning unit and furnace that I'm... : Phil
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      LOL @ dad expenses i want a house goddamnit : EvilDolemite
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        My son just got $3,200 worth of braces put on. This is seriously cutting into my beer monies. : Phil
        • Beer...dental plan....beer....dental plan : matrix
    • That AC should be running at full power when taking these pics for nice "perky" pics! ;) : FormerHPB
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      Seriously.. $100 ain't gonna make that AC any more appealing price wise. : LexLuther
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        But it's $100 x about 10 of her friends. : Phil
        • err.. so 1 hour with each one of the 10? You're gonna have to spread that out over a couple days or it's ... : LexLuther
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  This sounds like the start of a Penthouse Forum letter... See what my talking you into getting that c... : FormerHPB
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    I'm diggin it. Plus I got 3 extra batteries and a 512 & 256 meg card. I'm ready to rock. Pray for a ty... : Phil
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      3 extra batteries?!?!?! You are a madman! Too funny. I bet when you ordered that thing you didn't think... : FormerHPB
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        LOL @ WOODS. Actually I'm most always pretty open when taking pics of the hotties. But this 10X optical... : Phil
        • A good soldier is always prepared! The 10x zoom definitely makes a big difference. Glad you're happy wi... : FormerHPB
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    which camera is this? : carnivore
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      Olympus C-765 : FormerHPB
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        Sweet I have a Olympus C-750 and it rocks. Seems like the specs are about the same, but the 765 has a sma... : cltcprd
        • yes, looks very similar! Yours has the ability to add external flash if you want, but other than that, l... : FormerHPB
• If you are too cheap, you will look like an amateur pervert with some skill who just wants to be around h... : steelsamurai
• I would charge about 150 or so, more like 125 : stgdz
• man, all of us with digital SLRs need to get some clients : FrayLo

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• if you don't plan to buy HL2, post NONE : grendel
• not getting it cause i can't play it. but if i did, i'd get it through steam because i get the other olde... : dodob
• I can't decide, but I'm thinking Steam. : Rice-Rocketeer
• Steam Gold : bozer
• Free Harcopy from ATi. I'll wait till more info on DoD/TFC comes up before anything else. : rotten element
• SMEGMA : Mr.Fusion
• until they give us the steam prices.. neither! + i'm not gonna play HL-2 until i buy a new video card. : pyide
• Steam:Silver : plunkymeadows
• Both I'm a swag whore :( : jhof
• Steam Silver looks oh, so inviting. : Sarcastro
• schteam : JaredSyn
• i'll get the steam silver cause i wanna play cs:source now :) : snowwolf
• Steam ATI coupon : dltrem
• Steam. Supporting developers makes me feel the good kind of squishy. : Luminair
• STeAM : Nighthavvk
• undecided : nyranger66
• Steam! : one baby to another
• ATI COUPON! : r3ckless
• Steam : johnny skidmarks
• undecided , it'll really depend on steam pricing. : mystifier
• Store, collector's edition. dont have a credit card, so steam's not an option. : moe6
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  The store, steam is retarded IMO. You pay the same price and don't get cd's for convience. : nukewinter
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    Wait, do you only get the extras and shit through steam? ;o Like isnt there the same editions retail as t... : nukewinter
    • nope, steam and retail packages differ http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/33779/ : moneyshot
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    Burn it to a $0.30 disk. Or maybe even a $1.00 DVD!!! AND THAT'S CANADIAN. : Rice-Rocketeer
    • funnymoney I tell you : Nighthavvk
• undecided : {Venger}
• Steam all the way. I want my DoD:Source. : peanut-
• Store for CE! : xphil
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  STEAM - But I dont have much hope for it working though.. Seeing how hard it is for me just to logon t... : Lethal01
  • STORE - I'll trade it in for Quake 4. : silent prophet
• STORE : Maddog_Delphi97
• STEAM - free ATI copy : losimagic
• STEAM and maybe STORE as well just to have a hard copy with box and all for my growing game collection : gendail
• Store I haven't got the bandwidth to piss away buying software that large. : RatBastard
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  STEAM In the UK here - not waiting around like for Doom3. : r0gerr0ger
  • STEAM - Same reason. : node
• STEAM : red2lucas
• STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAMsaq : Salad Sammich
• STEAM via ATI Coupon, to play on my 6800GT... thought they'd better let me have some way of getting the s... : Arsenal
• STEAM I wasn't going to, until I realized how much I hate going to the store and waiting for a release d... : critch
• STEAM/ATI Coupon : Stage
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  Steam - fuck the middle man. : seven
  • rofl, if you get to do that, then multisync will definitely be picking up steam. : Nighthavvk
• STEAM of course. : duka
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  STORE ... I have no broadband at home :( : BigT
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    you shame our people :( : Megara9
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      I know .. :( I used to have but they (telia) hijacked the price 100% during the coarse of one year so I j... : BigT
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        I have Telia too and pay about 500 kr. for it. Honestly I had so much going on when I first moved that I ... : Megara9
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          I got it about 2.5 years ago, at the time I paid 199 SEK/mo for 0.5Mb/s down- and 1 Mb/s up-stream. Afte... : BigT
          • wow.. obviously I'm being ripped off too :[ : Megara9
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          btw, that 500:- sound expensive, is that an standard 0.5 Mb ADSL ? you should be able to get that for aro... : BigT
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            yeah it is.. like I said I didn't bother to compare prices everything costs a fortune here anyway >.< whe... : Megara9
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              yeah: http://www.nyteknik.se/pub/ipsart.asp?art_id=35366 (sorry about the delay I'm at work :) ) : BigT
              • awesome.. thanks, dude! : Megara9
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          Get up to Västerås, stadsnät 10mbit for 180 SEK a month :P : MrLonghair
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            damn.. I hate you too :) : Megara9
            • Yeah well.. you too! :) jäkla skÃ¥ning :)) : MrLonghair
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            ah... dammit.. can't you hook up a brother ? ... we also have a stadsnät but they only sell capa... : BigT
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              http://www.malarenergi.se/stadsnat/kunder/privat_priser.aspx : MrLonghair
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                hmm you're living in a apartment ? that explains it.. myself I have a house which makes it damn near impo... : BigT
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                  Aye. It's not that bad. Both neighbours on my floor are old deaf ladies who wont dare to complain abou... : MrLonghair
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                    nah apartments are not bad.. having 'lenient' neighbours only makes it better :). Before we got the house... : BigT
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                      Yikes, I had 72m2 with two cats before, barely enough for those little critters on speedruns I'd love ... : MrLonghair
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                        I only had one cabinet, the real old electro mechanical one with two rifles shooting ducks :) : BigT
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                          lol.. that one was the shit. :) : Megara9
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                            yeah, it was a blast while having parties. The rifles had a real kicking re-coil action and was load as h... : BigT
                            • l33t :) electro-mechanical stuff has some interest, we often have guys asking for coin-pushers over at Ar... : MrLonghair
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                    damn.. when I was renting the old ladies would ALWAYS complain to me because I look like a placid Swedish... : Megara9
                    • Some old ladies are out of the loop, I havent been asked if I am a satanist or anything yet by one but fr... : MrLonghair
• STORE - Unless I can make a DVD with the steam content. : Lightzout
• STORE unless there is a long wait between steam and store release dates. : scanline
• Steam : Evil Benius
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  STRIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEERRRR If there's no DVD retail version in Germany, STEAM : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • or play.com : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • HOT AIR+WATER PARTICLES err STEAM : TheNiXXeD
• STEAM : jaffacake
• STORE : al9000
• STEAM : kingdepork
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  STEAMING PILE OF GOODNESS : MrLonghair
  • ..and STORE afterwards, for a special edition with DVD etc, so I've got two copies of the game, yaknow : MrLonghair
• CANDY : CoRDS
• steam : FormerHPB
• YOU'RE]b : andromeda
• steam with the ati coupon from my roomates 9800xt. : xxiv
• Steam I want my CS:S ASAP : Turd Ferguson
• STEAM why leave the house : mr brown
• forced to do STORE. How do people deal with download/upload caps while running Steam anyway? And does S... : the archvile
• steam if it comes out sooner that's how i'll buy... : afrochops
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  VAPOR : jrock
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    WARE am I rite? : cap n KRUNCH
    • hahahah. actually blue for WATER. steam = water vapor : jrock
• STORE I want to have teh boxen. : SlamDunk
• STORE I respect what steam is doing, but unless they pass on the savings to the end consumer I'm not b... : Piotyr
• STORE - If valve goes bankrupt and shuts down 2 years from now I want to be able to pull out a CD and sti... : Delusional
• DON'T KNOW until there is a street date and/or price : cap n KRUNCH
• STORE I want a box and I'm patient enough to put my dick back in my pants so I can go shop. : Iscariot47
• BOTH To quote Edward Furlong: "Um...all of them, I think." Yes, I am a collector dumbass. : speon