VUGames Holding On To Half-Life 2?

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  Are you joking? you're blaming this on some sort of Valve conspiracy to get more time? You, sir are : freshview
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    I am just saying that a pattern of behaviour has been established with regards to Valve and their game re... : Dog-From-Duckhunt
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      Only this time both parties admit VU has the release candidate code. And thats a HUGE difference. : johnny skidmarks
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        I will believe it when I see it. Other parties also claimed that HL2 was delayed because of the hackers.... : Dog-From-Duckhunt
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          So you dont believe Vivendi when they say they've received the client? Vivendi wants to delay the shippin... : johnny skidmarks
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            I'm with you; this whole thing smells like shit. Valve and VU are both cooperating to buy the dev's more... : bodhidiver
            • Hey quick, I heard Gabe has WMD! Invade! : TabsAZ
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  Liberate the game! : rorshack
  • How? Bumper stickers that read "Free HalfLife2!" ?? : *metal*
• EXCELLENT TROLL DUDE : pinkeye

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  Yeah I'd be careful. I saw a show about a 16 year old kid who went to jail for threatning to kill someon... : tree8
  • OMG you read about my cousin vinny? : flasher 907
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  And I'll help you! This seems to me that vivendi, is in it to make sure they make as much as possible,... : icedcool
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    what pisses me off is their utter lack of regard for the people who pay their paychecks, us gamers. : DoubleAught()
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      The problem is that you're basically arguing that they owe you something. Assuming the HL box you bought... : Vorlonesque
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        they don't OWE me anything, but there are in the business to SELL me something, so yes that makes me a cu... : DoubleAught()
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          Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying before I think. Maybe I was disoriented after blowing my nos... : Vorlonesque
          • oh that's cool. thanks. ! : DoubleAught()
• mumble mumble burn the building down : sgtsanity
• I would eat the taco first. : m4yhem
• your IP has been logged. please stay seated while the Department of Homeland Defense is routing troopers ... : *metal*

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  You dont know what you are talking about. Go back to beating your head against a wall. : mallrice
  • agreed. That was the dumbest conspiracy theory Ive heard. : VegasX
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  im tired of hearing posts like this : ballystix
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    you hear posts? : steve_o
    • Text to speech... You guys all sound like the WOPR. : sinistarfith
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  yes, they're not even close to sending out a release candidate. those bastards. : pupismyname
  • oh no wait they sent one out LAST WEEK. silly me. : pupismyname
• I'm sorry but conspiracy theories are treated with a heavy dose of skepticism for a reason. : Vorlonesque
• I'm with you; this whole thing smells like shit. Valve and VU are both cooperating to buy the dev's more ... : bodhidiver
• I guess sarcasm doesn't work on the shack :P : Carpal

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  why do you people think this is some sort of conspiracy? this is just typical business contract bullshit... : AllYourBase
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    Did you know that Valve are really aliens? True story. : project13
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      You think headcrabs are just a product of someone's imagination? : Fred Garvin
      • I always thought they were mutant DICK LOBSTERS!!! genital crabs. : Vorlonesque
  • I'm guessing you took whatever chance you could get to jump on my statement and beat the shit out of it. ... : the_algor

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• I would rather get it via steam regardless. : optimistic
• I think I'm going to. : dmason
• Not only can I get it the same day as the rest of the world, I can get if from my chair, cheaper then loc : Sander Pilon
• To be honest i was planning on buying a boxed copy. I like having the physical media, and having the box;... : mallrice
• This definitely solidifies my decision to buy Half-Life 2 through Steam. : pyrogen
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  The question I have is: If VU wants to hold the game back from being published for X months, can Valve... : jigstah
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    The lawsuit goes longer than 6 months, so VU would have to get an injunction to stop valve from distribut... : mallrice
    • ahhh interesting. this is a load of drama for a computer game : jigstah
• I already pre-ordered a copy from gamestop. :( : crinos
• unless it were significantly cheaper, I'd still get a boxed copy. I want to have some shiny cd's to show ... : -Panther-
• i'm pretty sure a lot of people are just going to go with whichever one gets it installed on their comput... : Steve Gibson
• Its steam all the way baby! : kraemer
• I will definately be buying a pile of steaming halflife. :D but then again I was planning to before t : xocsida
• Steam : loboca
• Me. I was going to buy it in box form before, but I'm really considering buying it through steam to he... : icedcool
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  I was going to buy it through steam, but after all of Valve's shit I want them to get as little of my mon... : zefucb
  • Well, after all of Valve's shit.....wait.... aren't they the one developing the game ... you want to... p... : icedcool
• Steam, but also because I fucking hate my local Electronics Boutique anyway. : SpaecKow
• Steam sucks.... PPl forget that? Enjoy getting your multi gig game at 300 bytes per second. Steam ha... : digitaljihad
• I will. definitely. : MikkleThePickle
• I definitely will now! : AllYourBase
• was going to get it off Steam anyway. hell ive got 3 gig sitting there right now doing sweet fuck all :( : VuduChild
• I dunno, I'd like hard copy but if I could get the steam version first, then I'm sold. : thejm4n
• Don't need to. ATI Coupon = win. : acheron
• I began preloading over my 56k when all this VU wackiness came about. 19% w0000t!! (I get about 1% every ... : Leonard Ghostal
• I like having a physical copy, but I just let boxes and manuals collect dust and eventually throw them aw... : Odoyle
• I'm getting a physical copy, dammit. : Rice-Rocketeer
• Steamer.Coupon.Preload.Yay. : JaredSyn

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  id = id software lol. : voique
  • lol rofl !!!! : bigimp
  • HA HA HA ha : Dave Johnston
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  how was it obvious? no business in their right mind would shoot themselves in the foot and prevent the re... : MikkleThePickle
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    well because it's valve. i would think all of the people that had tf2 preordered 6 years ago would have l... : voique
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      before all the "it's not valves fault" replies start rolling in... yes... yes it is. they made steam, it'... : voique
      • I don't know that they mess up constantly. I mean I think their fans give them way too much credit (the ... : Vorlonesque
• i've driven past their offices :D only about an hour away : thatguy2090

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• Many people are stupid. What a surprise. : Spike Spiegel
• "The timing of Valve's development of the source code for Valve games, the Valve source engine, and Steam : Morgin
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  Um, the reality STILL is: we want the game, Vivendi is pointlessly standing in the way. : lont
  • oh the irony.............. : ease_one

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• yep. "somebody saaaaave meee" wait that was Smallville : pillzer

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• lol. hush you. I didnt know you had such a great sense of humour. : VegasX
• The pricing is another catch in their contract with Vivendi. : Carnivac
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  Steam being the same price as retail was part of the original deal with VUG, publishers don't like devs p... : magila
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    ^^^^^^^^^^ : Stage
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      ^^^^^^^^^^^^ : downrightevil
      • ^^^^^^^^^^ : clubboi
• You forget that the vast majority of people still want to buy a copy in stores. GeorgeB made a past not t... : TrptJim
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  Didn't Gabe say you would get a box as well if you bought off steam? I could be mistaked but I thought I ... : fuji-juice
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    That's for ATI voucher owners. : Carnivac
    • Ah, thanks, I knew it was something like that. : fuji-juice
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  I can't remember the details, but for the £30-odd quid you spend on a game, typically less than 5... : Dave Johnston
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    Your point was that Valve is justified in trying to get a larger share of the profits from their games th... : brushbaron
    • That wasn't the main point. Valve is right to try to get a larger share - if they succeed, it will ope... : Dave Johnston
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    what in god's name is a quid??!!? : -Panther-
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      It's brit slang for a pound. $10 = Ten bucks £10 = Ten quid : menkey
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        Of course, saying £10 quid is redundant. : tigeN
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          Similar to PIN number. Argh : Dave Johnston
          • I get annoyed at that too : marmite
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  This is something a Commie would say. Valve made the game and can distribute the game. Therefore, they sh... : johnny skidmarks
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    Heaven forbid a company taking the steps to maximize its profits. isn't that exactly what VUG is doing... : -Panther-
    • Yes, to the detriment of Valve and its consumers. And through litigation. Entirely different from a co... : johnny skidmarks
• Hey, havent seen you trolling for quite a while, how's the family? : MrLonghair

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• those of you that know where i work know that im not kidding : CoRDS
• thats off, not of, damn keyboard : CoRDS
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  Turn it off for Vivendi. I need pron. Thx. : stelth
  • yeh ok, i'll let the pron thru, but i'll shut the rest of it down : CoRDS
• bah, you fool - who'd even notice? : Dave Johnston

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• cornflakes = 'Fruity Pebbles'; : zipperface

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  Except Vigayndi could sue Valve for breach of contract because I believe it sates that Valve cannot put i... : stelth
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    But who cares? Valve can tie it up in the courts for years, by the time it goes to trial they can form a ... : kraemer
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      look this isnt kraemer vs kraemer : toneh
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        I wonder how many chapters this "mess" with VU takes up in the new 'raising the bar' book. /snicker : LexLuther
        • misreplay.. ghey : LexLuther

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• ? There have been plenty of Fortress mods for plenty of games over the years. And all the ideas that Valv... : SpiderMonkey
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  TFC was awesome. You didn't play it, you say? Go ahead. See the future. Er, past. : KinetiK
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    TFC was excatly the same as TF on a new engine... hence the classic name. : Judecca
    • So how did they destroy TF? You got TF on a new engine...I don't think thats destroying TF. Hell if I w... : Vorlonesque
• Psst TF2 is the next project after HL2. They wanted to develop it on the source engine. : mallrice
• yeah, then people bought HL because of the TF2 type.... : sk0l

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  Translation for those not well-versed in legal matters: VU_KILLA_DILLA: OMGWTF WHERE R U STEAM_POWER : netshade
  • netshade, LOL : uh dead
  • LOLz. Comedy gold. : lavaflare
  • bwhaha thanks, now it makes sense to me : cap n KRUNCH
  • +1000 Funny : flasher 907
  • OK I have read this 3 times, and laughed every time. : FuryVII
  • qhgryqwhyrhqhehqwuer LOL GOLD : cam3lt0sis
• Well, it's not as if Vivendi is some tiny company that Valve can push around. They'll have their own team... : Anti_dentite
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  That's great, but at present Steam will never generate a fraction of the numbers that retails sales will,... : SpiderMonkey
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    I think the 475,000 machines surveyed below say otherwise. That right there is $23,726,250. Thats a sign... : kraemer
    • Processor Vendor: ValveIsGreat - 1 : SwiftyPants
    • Pocket change compared to what Vivendi can throw at Valve. : Chod
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      NVidia GeForce 6800 GT 3,638 Didn't realize it was even out yet. : FuryVII
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        Umm I am retarded. I meant the 6600 GT. : FuryVII
        • Jup it's out. http://nvidia.com/object/IO_15976.html : Mitchell Gant

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• G.O.D. ? : snuff
• You mean Interplay? : stgdz
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  Remember Gathering of Developers? Yeah. That was a good publisher. But they went bust, didn't they? ... : menkey
  • Yeah, but weren't Activision, Interplay and others Back In The Day (tm) cool publishers that were indeed ... : SpaecKow
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  hey! guess what i found http://s87355875.onlinehome.us/RIYFCentral/Riyfimg2.jpg (this is sorta off top... : Morgin
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    Werd up morgin! How'd u find me ;) : flasher 907
    • i hadn't seen you post in a while. : Morgin
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  Dude - VU guys DON'T drive beemers. They drive at least Mercedes. : Porkasaurus
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    are you saying MB > BMW because if so I'm going to politely disagree : lord cecil
    • ^^^ what he said! : -Panther-
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      I think he says that MB says "I got teh monies" more then BMW does, and to that I think I'll have to agre : SilverSnake
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        Maybe because people who have money and don't know what to buy get a MB, but people who have money and li... : lord cecil
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          e46 m3's make my christian parts tingle :( : -Panther-
          • I see at least one every day walking to and from school. They are all over the place up here. I wants one... : lord cecil
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          the E60 5 series has great mechanicals and dynamics though (from what I've read). But that'll only satis... : swampnutz
          • E60 M5 is dead sexy though...at least on the outside. The inside is pretty mediocre still. It makes up fo... : lord cecil
    • at least mercedes have style *runs away* : papaskot
    • I'm saying Mercedes are a more costly car. I was trying to make a point about VU - a reflection of their ... : Porkasaurus
• agreed, I thought the same thing. When publishers/game producers get into legal battles, neither of them ... : Crimson
• game developers hardly have a choice. its a publisher's world out there. : Maarten Goldstein
• That's capitalism, baby! : Stage
• VU is such a huge company and they stick their noses in everything. Movies, music and gaming. For them it... : mc-fine
• publishers have the distribution channels and retail relationships that an independent wouldn't be able t... : thebigbeefsandwhich
• I still hate VU for the whole Farscape cancellation thing and for B5 Into the Fire getting cancelled. Oh... : Vorlonesque

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• Yeah pretty much. : hube
• well usually they can push the developer around.. : snuff
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  All publishers are like this. It kind of comes with the territory of being 'out-dated.' You have to st... : hawke
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    um, What has valve done that is so evil? : stgdz
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      Made Half Life!!!!!!!! Evil bastards. : moofrog
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        Steam is evil. (Online distribution of game content is NOT evil. Buddy trackers and server browsers ar... : hawke
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          "Their cybercafe policy is evil." That doesn't make sense. They don't owe anybody anything. If they wa... : tigeN
          • Try reading again...this time, not just the headlines. I explained the difference between 'normal busine... : hawke
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          Your post is just bizarre. Please justify what is "spyware" about Steam, rather than making a passing... : SpiderMonkey
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            Oh, I didn't mean to sound trendy. Infact, I'm not trendy at all. I'm quite a throw-back who wouldn't ... : hawke
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              Yeah but so what? How is Steam DRM? If anything it's more convenient. You have a login, a password, and y... : carnivore
              • It is DRM, it's just not Draconian. You're not limited by the number of computers on which you can play t... : Sarcastro
• not really every publisher has it's quirks, but not all of them end up doing shit like this I don't... : freshview

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  No, they're just hurting themselves. Get it right; these companies do not have some sort of "caring" f... : protozone
  • I doubt they're going to lose many sales at all, unless it turns out to suck... : boarder2

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  I really don't understand logic like this. People will buy the game no matter when it comes out. : stgdz
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    I think you'd get a lot more incidental purchases through Christmas. Relatives of people who wouldn't buy... : carnivore
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      what about MOH:AA? Didn't that game sell really well even though it came after x-mas? : stgdz
      • I'm not saying a game can't sell well after Christmas, I'm just saying that I think it will sell very wel... : carnivore
  • people who can buy it for themselves yes - poorer people and kids (yes I know it is an M game) have to re... : smellslikefish
  • We had data compiled for quite a few years that the difference between shipping in the "holiday" season f... : Fred Garvin
• ... and so will Valve. They're both waiting for the other to make a compromise, and the pressure to co... : protozone

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  i'm so with you there. I just spend 3 hours looking for my doom3 cds the other day and decited to jus... : Neech
  • you lose shit so that justifies downloading it instead? people are fucked up. : phil_mckraken

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  Because Valve doesn't need them too? : FuryVII
  • obviously, but if Vivendi won't print retail copies if it's sold via steam, maybe if they cut them a piec... : veggie

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  Besides, can you really argue with the logic of my argument? During Christmas, relatives will buy their y... : carnivore
  • oops, meant to reply to this: http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8626552 : carnivore
• I agree..I hope this is a message for other developers that publishing/distributing through certain compa... : majinpsyduck