DOOM3 Notes from QuakeCon

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  There are lots of listen servers up, be careful of those. : Pneum0
  • what are those? ones that steal your CD key? : edgewise

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  I totally agree. I was playing on the level below veteran, but I never died so I started over. I die pr... : piser
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    Holy crap, I can't believe you like Veteran. I was playing on Marine, but accidentally deleted lost my s... : repugnant
    • the game was too easy on veteran, but its so scripted that it isnt really worth playing through again on ... : derean
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  I concur. In my review, I noted this, and feel it's an under-emphasized point :P : blowdpanis
  • Nice review btw. : Pneum0

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  I'm enjoying the hell out of it too. I encountered my first pinky demon last night -- very cool! : zipr
  • i <3 pinky : johnny rotten
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  It's interesting how you call IGN and Gamespot "trolls". They noted the game's strengths and weaknesses a... : Bob422
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    Why would you take anyone's word other than your own? My opinion is the only one I care about and I think... : Silent Bob
    • word, fucking game was amazing : cam3lt0sis
  • There was one DOOM3 review that kept referencing half life like it came before doom or something. That s... : Pneum0
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    Because many of their points are invalid or stupid, as if they were looking for something to hate. : Reeves
    • They're point made perfect sense to me. Blindfolded fanboys... : Stargazer78
  • On the seperate topic of game mags and mainstream game sites...I'd say that I haven't payed a whole lot o... : Vorlonesque
• IAWTP. Best game I've played in a long time. Sure I have a few small complaints but overall the game, I... : jahulio2
• Yeah, I had some complaints, but all in all great game : cap n KRUNCH
• agreed. worth the 4 year wait. : warren
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  I agree. D3 > * : personaljesus
  • you know it's gotta be true when your own personal jesus says so. : dilutedq
• 9.2 for an xbox game != 9.2 for an PC game ... : Cpt. Baseballbat

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  i laughed : KinetiK
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    So did i....:) : buzzfunk
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      As well as myself. : jhof
      • But not I. : brewsterdog
• panty raider : Chrono Trigga
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  well lets see raven is doing Quake 4 Humanhead said they were doing a doom3 engine game Other big ... : stgdz
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    Well, if we go through our list of names that we really know... George, as mentioned. Peter Molnyeux,... : SilverSnake
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      nerve (http://www.nervesoftware.com/projects.html) or splash damage(http://www.splashdamage.com/) ... : snowwolf
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        On Splash Damages frontpage it reads: In a continuation of our successful collaboration with id Software : SilverSnake
        • my bet is one does RTCW2 and one does d3 expansion : snowwolf
  • i've heard "3drealms" and "Prey" mentioned in association with the Doom 3 engine recently. so who knows. : rudds
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  I groaned. : MrLonghair
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    Seriously. Can we ban DNF/George dead-horse re-hashed jokes? You are not witty nor the first person to ... : jake
    • I never believed to be first, it just happened to be my frist thought when I read it and felt like sharin... : SilverSnake
    • Guess what? It's still getting laughs.. if fact as time goes on it seems to be more funny. : Pneum0
    • Together with "Is this the patch that makes the game fun", it should go the way with the flogged-to-fuck ... : MrLonghair
    • with another 3-4 years to go, its just not funny anymore : cap n KRUNCH
• DA DA DA DAAAA!!! VAPORWARE MAN! : gravity
• Man, I wanted to play AVP3 with the DOOM 3 engine... as the ALIEN. : rorshack

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• take off the aa. test it, but i think going up to 1024 will be cheaper (framerate wise) than putting on 4... : grimiv
• Stick with Veteran, it gets very easy quite soon, IMO, but the very start can seem hard because you just ... : nudel

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• omfgz they're stooping so low)!(*@#)!(* The sizeable content is going to suck evne though we know nothing : armybob
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  I'd love to play a doom3 expansion. : bbq gibs
  • I wholeheartedly agree : thejm4n
  • I'd love to play a FarCry type game with the doom3 engine.. : deucy
• Its ridiculous how much effort has to go into developing a game engine. If anything its stupid there isnt... : scatti
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  some of them are but there are a lot that are quality stuff, name the stuff for warcraft and diablo. the... : fuz1on
  • Half-life had one of the best expansions for a FPS in awhile. You missed quite a lot by not getting Oppo... : Barrel213
• I'm expecting and looking forward to a DOOM 3 expansion with: - A few new monsters - A few new weapons ... : protozone
• What are you, new? : Silent Bob
• nope, just you. I like games. : haokah
• i wish i had a rolleyes icon... : johnny rotten
• Speaking of expansion packs. ArenaNet has a cool idea regarding Guild Wars packs. Every pack will be a ne... : Jeff Y
• Compare id and their expansion packs to Epic, who ships way more stuff with the game and then gives you a... : Barbarian
• Yeah, shame on these companies for trying to make money off their hard work! : Sentinl
• At least Doom 3 and Far Cry have been long games by themselves. Expansion packs for either of them would ... : nudel

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• I heard 2 million preorder. : Jeff Y

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  The difference is that sales in record companies has been down. : digitaljihad
  • actually since the economy is starting to do better they have been going back up...go figure...bad econom... : UberChrist
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  how do you know? maybe instead of just barely being the highest selling pc game of all time, they would ... : ermac
  • Maybe you are right, and maybe not, of course we can never truly know. But I think people realizing a gam... : Speedy8
  • World Wide releases would help. When some country's gets the game a week or two earlier, then obviously,... : prostitute
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  when i read about the bit torrent trackers I was nearly sick. 100s of thousands of downloads. People s... : johnny rotten
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    and that's just bittorrent, there's still mirc to account for : cam3lt0sis
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      Newsgroups and Kazaa (and all other p2p clients) count for quite a bit too. : Psychic Potato
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        yeah, yeah ppl suck, europeans got it a week later, wanted to play it and still bought it. i know wha... : plotzer
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          because no Europeans pirated the game... : DonkeyPopsicle
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            yeah i did, but i bought it : plotzer
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              right on! Now of the many hundreds of thousands of people who who downloaded it, do you think you're in ... : johnny rotten
              • ok, ur right. but here in germany they will bite their asses off, when there are good mp mods out the... : plotzer
              • I don't know...everyone I know of who pirated it ended up buying it the day it came out. : Sacred Sperm
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    In fairness, a lot of people that downloaded it also bought it at the first oppurtunity. A lot of them di... : Silent Bob
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      Agreed. Question is, how many were unable to buy the game in their country, downloaded it and finished... : nudel
      • The sillyness of street dates needs to go away imo. A lot of retailers had it but weren't allowed to sell... : Silent Bob
    • Fair point, but again the bottom line is there's no way to be sure. I know a lot of people in Europe like... : pillzer
    • If you don't pay I sure as hell don't think you deserve to play. : phil_mckraken
  • I downloaded then mailed a $40 to ID. not really : SwiftyPants
  • No, publishers suck. People everywhere were anticipating this game and couldn't get their hands on it oth... : Old Fartknocker
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  Yes, and no. Big games don't suffer, but smaller ones tend to do, sadly. It's a screwed up world. : aaarrrgh
  • Also people tend to blame low sales on piracy. A lot of the time it's because the game just plain sucked... : Chod
• Okay, here's the score: Recording companies determine their units sold by measuring the units they shippe... : Rotten Deadite
• What I don't get is they cry about piracy all the time and then the RAISE the FUCKING prices. I read a st : NoCopy
• Can you honestly say that sales wouldn't have been higher without people pirating the game? As i have ... : -TKF-
• I can guarantee you the lost at least 1-2 million easily. : snuff
• you cant play online with a pirated copy. : r1cola
• I never would say that when I pirate a game its a lost sale. If I ever plan to buy a game, I want it wh... : LucyLuBot
• I bought two to make up for you, ya bastid. : freqq28

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  Is Raven still around? : jonin
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    They are working on Quake4 : lavaflare
    • And Splash Damage is doing the multiplayer for it. I <3 ET : DraconianDevil
• more hell plz :( : GloriousCow

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• you suck : OrkO
• I wish I had the space to get a snazzy projector like that. : Turd Ferguson
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  I'd have a damned crook in my neck by the end of a session having to sit and look in that direction. It's... : kevp
  • poor fella : Ford42
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  so that's better picture then on a TV, regular, hidef, HDTV, whatever? : thejm4n
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    what about a regular monitor? I know we use these at school but for gaming how is it : thejm4n
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      its awesome. its a high definition projector and im using dvi on it so its pretty much as clear as it is ... : Ford42
      • that's cool. : thejm4n
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        which projector? : johnny rotten
        • its the sharp xv-z10000. : Ford42
• hahaha thats fuking tight! : mc-fine
• that makes my neck hurt :( : Holesinswiss
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  I dunno... the picture looks kinda unsharp... :p I know, it's the camera + movement : SilverSnake
  • It should look good for what it costs :-) $5,000+ for that projector... ouch! But I'm sure it's worth ... : jriegel
• how much pot you sell to afford that thing? : crypt420
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  Why does it look like shit : oneshot
  • It looks like shit cause he is getting his ass ripped by that demon! : m0n3y sh0t
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  I have a dedicated theater room. my epenis is bigger. : phil_mckraken
  • lets see pics! : johnny rotten

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  My index finger has never hurt before playing Doom 3 : drodver
  • too much f5 strokes? : running wild

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• Weapon pickup info: Agreed. Server browser: That ain't the only way it's borked. It needs to be pat... : Arcanum

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  they mean first week only Diablo II would be damn hard to beat out on an overall sales scale : cam3lt0sis
  • Yeah, I meant in the first week. Diablo 2 had a huge number of preorders (including myself). : Anti_dentite
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  Biggest selling PC game is Sims. : lavaflare
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    ... and 2nd place is FAR away. : BulletPro
    • Negative. Half-Life is (or was) pretty close to the Sims. At least that's what this publication from 2003... : Baitk
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  That's disgusting actually, Doom3 doesn't really deserve to be such a big seller. : Stargazer78
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    Apparently a whole shitload of people disagree with you. : Silent Bob
    • hehehehehh : bling1bling
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      You need to visit some other site besides Shacknews, you might found out a lot of people are far less ent... : Stargazer78
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        or you and those reviewers are just dumb? :p : dilutedq
        • Some critics automatically give worse reviews to games that don't have $FEATURE[1] through $FEATURE[1000] : Arcanum
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        Its certaintly not the best game ever, or anywhere near the best game ever. I think people around here ge... : Rapid 99
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          Noone to my knowledge has ever claimed Doom3 to be the greatest game ever. I enjoy the game, I think it's... : K1Bond007
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            Out of curiousity, what are your top 3? : Silent Bob
            • I'm not entirely sure :P I'd say Deus Ex, DoomII, and GoldenEye. Perhaps not in that order. : K1Bond007
        • Adds nothing to the genre? How many scary games that are FPS (hell, any genre) are out there? IMO, the ... : Flynn
      • Why listen to retarded people when you don´t have to? : Spike Spiegel
      • Yeah, the average rating on gamerankings.com out of 519 votes right now is 8.4. Sounds about right to me.... : Speedy8
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        Madden is 95%, shit, it must be "the best game ever". Reviewers, fanbois, etc... anyone who needs to ... : sixfoot6
        • Well said. You also have to factor in that id games ALWAYS catch a bunch of shit from people that jus... : Silent Bob
        • Yeah, Madden is soooooo overated this year, they haven't changed much from last year, and the new franchi... : Speedy8
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    or you're just raining on the parade because you didn't like the game and a shitload of other people did ... : cam3lt0sis
    • Just because people flood to buy a game when it's released doesn't automatically make it worthy of sellin... : Speedy8
• 'On the first week of release' : rorshack
• First week of release sales would have been even larger if it had been worldwide at the same time. Meh. : MrLonghair
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  Maybe the biggest selling for a defined period of time, but I find it hard to believe it outsold the Sims... : Fred Garvin
  • -outsold +would outsell : Fred Garvin
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  I can run Doom3 with my Geforce 2TI 64mb... it runs about 15-25fps with everything turned off, but it's p... : Afterglow
  • I'm playing it on a GeForce 2 GTS 32MB original. Not playing much of it, since I'll give it proper atten... : DinK

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  There's 1 imp left in the entire complex and it's your job to find him. : Wyvern
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    I bet he's in the closet! : scrub6969
    • Looks like he's coming out of the closet if you know what I mean--and I think you do! : Omaha
  • No, he'll just spawn in behind you all the time like the rest of the enemies did :P : Derringer
• wow, this is great news. : thejm4n
• yay! </sarcasm> : jrsX

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  I cant tell yet. Performance is still too crappy. : johnny rotten
  • same for me...in 6 months or so it should be better : supermonkeyballz
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  I'm not really much of a fan of dm myself, but I always liked Quake 2 DM somewhat. It had a nice balance ... : Speedy8
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    You can only use your fists with the berzerk..... : kraemer
    • completely wrong. Just switch your weapon... lol : speedy3d
• Doesn't the Beserk back increase weapon damage? Maybe it is just a coincidence, but it seems I get one sh... : driller
• I haven't tried the multi yet, but in solo the RL kick some serious ass.. :) gotta love sending those fat... : pillzer

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• Bloody representativism problems. : Bagpuss
• You gots a real purty mouth : MrMethane
• Coverage here: http://www.quakecon.org/ http://tournaments.quakecon.org/tournament Streaming stuff: ... : project13
• I'm putting up pictures and video on www.planetquake3.net : RogeR1

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  theres some guesss in here: : snowwolf
  • and i forgot the link.. http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8356723 : snowwolf

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• Has a new potential future geek been shiped? :) : pillzer
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  Baby Carmack Gone GOLD? : Silent Bob
  • 9 months development time, not too shabby : cap n KRUNCH
• Very cool, I wonder if the baby will have specular and bump mapping. :) Congratulations! : swansong
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  So I have a new baby and a wife I want to spend time with. I've got my millions of dollars, my rocket ca... : janblood
  • I guess that would be worrisome except that Carmack took a workstation with him on his honeymoon. I don'... : sinistarfith
• Hehehe, another student for the Ayn Rand School for Tots. : Fred Garvin

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• yep, thats fucking right :) : plotzer

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• I don't have any complaints about the brightness level myself. One little thing that bugs me though (and... : jahulio2
• Change the gamma with the console. (It's different to brightness.) : nudel
• i've found that playing at higher resolutions seems to brighten up the game considerably. i went from 64... : vado

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• Take your time, it'll be there. : Bali

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• When I saw 'Poota' I laughed... : Novad

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  actually its the mod community and map building community that keep the game alive. : Cyntax
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    and so I am already waitinf ro a kick ass mod. Preferably with drivable vehicles, hectic speeds and open... : dynamo
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      yup that mod is already available. Its called Unreal Tournament, you can buy it on shelves already. : Cyntax
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        if it didn't suck as much ass as it does, then yes : cam3lt0sis
        • Agree'd : Cyntax
      • I had desert combat in mind. UT2k4 sucks, I just do no like the gliding feel to the game... : dynamo
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  it only comes with 4 maps for multiplayer!? : artayd2
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    no it comes with 5 : scud
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      does doom3 have any coop multi levels like against enmeies or no? : artayd2
      • not yet : lord_omega
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  It's been a while but the last time I viewed the MP browser there were some servers going on with a max ... : K1Bond007
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    what was the point of the 4 player limit if its going to get broken from the get go? 5 MP maps is just... : Rapid 99
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      it's lazy to include a multiplayer mode in a single player game? nobody does that anymore. : jet-poop
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        Its not a single player game if its got mulitplayer in it. 5 maps and like, 3 modes is lazy. many man... : Rapid 99
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          They said repeatedly from the beginning of the project that it was primarily a single player game, and th... : jet-poop
          • fair point, although I still think the MP implimentation is lazy. : Rapid 99
        • They busted their asses with quake3 making what I think is the best online shooter ever. Go play that, D... : Pneum0
    • It was more of a recommendation, not a limit. : K1Bond007
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      because id knows that 99.5 of the people out there dont have the resources to handle servers larger than ... : johnny rotten
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        guess theyll have to do some major tweaking then for the new return to wolf and quake 4 if they want to b... : sirtesticles
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          yeah, i suspect its the physics code and phsyically simulated server side objects that are the killers. : johnny rotten
          • per-pixel hit detection would be my guess. : Pneum0
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        Which makes the "its easily changed" argument all the more amusing since there is a reason for the 4 play... : mc-fine
        • Easy to change if you know what you're doing or are willing to put the effort into finding out. People l... : Arcanum
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      I'd think 5 maps is lazy, but the effort into creating these D3 maps is massive. Think about how man... : Slowtreme
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        Sheesh u ever think before talking trash? Firstoff its much more complicated to create a good map for ... : buzzfunk
        • Dude, that's pretty much what he said... : blackhawk
  • i think you could easily get an expansion out of this game.... remember at the end cinema? the main ba : vado

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  The All Seeing Eye : MacGyver
  • WHAT! it supports doom 3? how come no mention anywhere on their website WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF... : lingo
• enter the ip manually at the bottom left corner. : swansong

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• Nope, all lagged. : festivalman
• i think you'd need a super heavy cpu (like A64 3800+ etc) and oodles of bandwidth to get those numbers of... : johnny rotten
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  I've played on one or two that were smooth with 6-8 players. Most servers can't handle it, though. That... : Arcanum
  • Yeah, I played on one server with 20 people on the edge and it was smooth as hell. Then I played on a 4 ... : Chod

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• I haven't played it on a LAN yet, but if you've got broadband you might be able to find a few servers tha... : Arcanum

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  then you get the Deus Ex II demo. Compare that with the Half-Life Uplink demo. Which one would convince : johnny sanguine
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    The one that came out less than a year after retail release? :) I don't remember the timeline on that... : Silent Bob
    • yeah, and it ruled! I was a late comer to Half-Life (well, relatively speaking) and it sold me. Deus ... : johnny sanguine
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  First off demo's aren't priorities especially on big name games like Doom3 or Half-Life2. So until the ga : K1Bond007
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    That's funny seeing as how DOOM got it's fame from being a shareware/demo : SykelSeven
    • Things change and have changed in this case and in the case of all video games with long standing franchi... : K1Bond007

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  lol, i wonder which 3rd party is doing the expansion.... : johnny rotten
  • "13:30 - 15:00 From Quake Mods to Mission Packs - A Discussion with Splash Damage (UPSTAIRS - Dallas 5, 6... : jet-poop

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• Give him a kiss from me. : frosty

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  oh wait, I already beat it! Yay expansion! Yay Sales! Yay MP! : xilulus
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    yay! i've got mail! yay! : esky
    • yeeey, that means I can bring two of my friends! : Stage

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• what? : ermac
• 1. You're replying in the wrong thread. 2. The game has been available in the US for weeks, but Europe i... : nachowray

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  Monkeystone? Ha ha. : zipr
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    It would be funny if Romero picked it up. Didn't he and Tom get a job at some big company now? If so, I... : Anti_dentite
    • Romero is working at Midway on a Gauntlet game. : Carnivac
    • Romero works for Midway now on the Gauntlet series. Lucas Davis runs Monkeystone. http://en.wikipedia... : K1Bond007
    • I don't want leaping frogs from hell! : esky
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  Probably SplashDamage. Are they doing anything right now? : K1Bond007
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    http://www.splashdamage.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=72&mode=thread&order=0&thol... : psxtim
    • I bet their doing the wolfenstein game with the doom3 engine... who knows though. : shotgun1
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      Well, the word was that a sequel to RTCW was coming out using the Doom3 engine and since they have the "i... : K1Bond007
      • Or they could split the single player/multiplayer to different developers like last time... letting splas... : shotgun1
  • Well, they made the DM maps for DOOM 3. I'm pretty damn sure it's them, making a expansion. I want to... : dragocore
  • probably the guys that were making that trinity game : stgdz