Creative Labs Patent & DOOM 3

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  But the good side is that Carmack now has a bone to pick with Creative. I wonder how/if he'll express th... : Anti_dentite
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    yea, you can't get much more bad press then this. : stgdz
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      right. lets see. world-wide big hunkin' adverts that doom 3 uses creative's EAX stuff and that yo... : Sander Pilon
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        well if any company deserves to go down its creative - there products are desparately average, their driv... : smellslikefish
        • IAWTP, .........I played RtCW for 6 months without sound because of them : lord_omega
        • of course they are desperate, it will... : jrgn
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          Nvidia's Onboard sound rocks the socks off of creative, there was little advantage to me buying a creativ... : Crimson
          • agreed, I am very happy with the onboard sound built into my nforce, good stuff and I've had no issues wi... : mikecyb
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            I wish the nforce integrators would use better onboard DACs that produce less noise. If I hookup my HQ he... : shassard
            • Theres nothing wrong with nforce audio. Maybe its the way you mobo is designed or you have unused lines a... : IceflowX2
  • CLabs logo as Mark of the Beast on demons' foreheads in DOOM4. : bobbywannadance
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  not sure #1 is exactly true...... : smellslikefish
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    read here: http://gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?whichpage=1&pagesize=20&topic_id=181647 basi... : anthonybean
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      what about this post ? http://gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=181647&whichpage=1o... : smellslikefish
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        insight on the situation discussed some time ago. proof that software patents are iffy territory. : anthonybean
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          The seperation between software and hardware is fairly minimal anymore. It would not be difficult to synt... : bostrov
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            It's still an algorithm, whether it's written in VHDL or C makes no difference. The hardware through whi... : ieGod
            • An entire Pentium 4 or NV40 is an algorithm, put that way. In your view, is a Pentium 4 (or some method o... : bostrov
• ...and Carmack HATES programming patents. This must have rubbed him in the worst way possible. : RakE
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  Ok, I am a true ID fan and have been for many years. For Creative to go out and do that it ID, just make... : sexfiend
  • ebay a used one and hope the seller isn't looking to buy a new creative card. :) : jason e
• Carmack really is an admirable person in many ways. He's looking out for those who are a fan of his prod... : Wolfanoz
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  This really shows how much Carmack cares about us, the customers. He could have said "F U Creative" an... : VashTheStampede
  • True but in the end you just handed Creative a significant vicotry. Most normal people wont even notice ... : Chod
• another reason not to buy any creative products : xvizionx
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  Still, nobody else can use this technique in their games, and presumably even id can't use it in future g... : nudel
  • Is there a difference? : jason e
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  i would have preferred the carmack to fight it out Iwill never own a creative product or recomend one : eyegeegeewhy
  • This really goes to show what kind of quality ID brings to the shelves. I've always had a lot of respect ... : crackshot2k2
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  This is what RAMBUS did. Now they are dead. In time Creative will die.... : matt4211
  • heh i'm still using a pentium 4 mobo with 1gig of rdram : aliengrey
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    Except RDRAM actually had a competitor in DDR. Who competes with Creative? Aureal did. Creative bought... : mathyou
    • On board sound. Bye bye Creative. : LastUserNameOnEarth
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      VIA. they make the Envy24HT sound chip that comes on the MAudio Revolution 7.1 it's what I have in my ... : warpdude
      • The problem with the VIA solution and others (like Realtek) is the hit on the CPU since it does so much o... : flashmasta
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  I still don't understand... incorporate their 3d sound tech into future doom3 engine licenses? isnt this ... : workworkwork
  • er, i mean, dont game companies usually pay to get a license for the 3d sound tech : workworkwork
• I think all of ID's fans should bombard Creative with e-mail letting them know what we think of their des : tah908

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  Nice. Lets all do this and say stuff like "I'm cancelling my plans to order 500 Ultra-Power 8.1 Sound Sy... : mrtony
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    Haha, 8.1 speakers, I wouldn't be suprised. Is there really that much of a difference between 7.1 and 5.1... : al9000
    • In the sounds stage from common computer setups? There'd be no difference. : kevp
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    Oh yeah, I can see Creative filing for Chapter 11 right now! : moz
    • Let's not even bother taking the slightest stand then. Nihilism--all the cool kids are doing it. : mathyou
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    So much for my order of the super 4D 12.1 Beta SoundWall Flabbergastworks, fockers. WHO'S LAUGHING NOW?! : bobbywannadance
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      Wait wait, I think I can hear some faint laughter in the far left middle rear speaker. : bobbywannadance
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        No, that's just an echo from the right rear upper ceiling speaker. Common mistake. : al9000
        • Dammit! Time to upgrade to .4 so I can get bass separation and colocation. Oh wait wait, boycott... : bobbywannadance
• thanks for the link I'm writting one : thatguy2090
• If there's one thing that makes corporations take notice, it's bravado. : nachowray
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  Consider Lara Vacante's socks rocked. I hope they take notice of this, everybody should send an e-mail. : al9000
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    I wonder if she's hot... : bobbywannadance
    • She will be after she gets all these e-mails. roflfolololrfoflolol : al9000
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  My letter: In light of Creative's recent exploitation of a questionable software patent to strongarm I : Arcanum
  • Pure poetry. : al9000
  • I modified yours a bit: In light of Creative's recent exploitation of a questionable software patent t... : Dynotaku
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    http://www.newegg.com/app/catalog.asp?DEPA=1 ergo, vis a vi, thereby, poop : kevp
    • woah, hahah that was weird, that address was in another tab and somehow it was in my response. Vis a vi, ... : kevp
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  My letter is sent. Funny thing was I was just out to buy a new sound card and they didn't have one so I ... : gunrock46
  • Grab a Game Theatre XP by Hercules. It's a freaking sweet card. http://us.hercules.com/products/featur... : loapsaq
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    Here is my letter: Just letting you know I've added you to "the list" of companies I'll never do busin... : Cpt. Baseballbat
    • sent exact same letter. : swansong
    • "blatently homosexual" OH NOs!!1!!1!! : mathyou
• Add me to the list: letter below- Dear Lara, I'm writing to inform you that I have just cancelled m... : mn3m0n1c
• here's my letter: Lara, Please pass this along to the people responsible for blackmailing id softwa... : dumptruck
• my letter: Dear Lara Vacante, In light of Creative's choice to strongarm one of the world's leading... : cam3lt0sis
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  An Email and Google bombing campaign is the win and you Shackers know it. : eldiablo01
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    google bomb... indeed : cam3lt0sis
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      i love a good google bomb : eyegeegeewhy
      • Hmmm. Excellent. : mathyou
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  cool...just sent one myself. thanks for the idea : cap n KRUNCH
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    lol poor lady... : tomatoactivator
    • yeah, it might be like Homer screaming "You just lost yourself a customer!" while Moe is surrounded by a ... : cap n KRUNCH
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  mine: Hello! I am writing to inform you (and by extension Creative Labs) that your recent efforts ... : grendel
  • I used this as a template for my email.. Nicely put. : dextius
• Contact Information: Lara Vacante, PR Manager Telephone: (408) 546-6732 E-mail: lara_vacant... : banned loco
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  "Mark as Junk" => "99232 emails moved to 'Junk' folder" : Sebastian Sylvan
  • they can ignore us if they want. Just so long as they know that it's really hurting their business in the... : invadernny
  • if they have any sort of business policy they have to archive all of that. when I worked for a Toy compan... : cap n KRUNCH
• Mine: I am most displeased by your recent legal bullying of ID Software. You have no good reason for ... : mathyou
• ooh oooh mine!: Creative, this is for you to kiss: ======> (_o_) : clubboi

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• It doesn't do any good to blame the lawmakers/government for something like this. You just can't get peop... : yakz
• you are assuming the patient granting agency is infalliable...... : smellslikefish
• current patent methods allow for exploitation such as this, in which case both the goverment and the comp... : Turd Ferguson
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  Except you shouldn't be able to patent an algorithm. You're putting a patent on a logical process anyone... : walker270
  • ^^ Exactly!!! : moogoperator
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    anyone could've come up with zfail? huh? : tomatoactivator
    • Yes pretty much. : Eratik
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      and anyone could have come up with the wheel. : endozoan
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        Actually they can, it was invented independently in America and Eurasia. : moogoperator
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          woah i never knew that. but one guy has the damn patent for it! : endozoan
          • Just like Newton and Leibniz's independant discovery of calculus. It's really not that uncommon for two ... : walker270
          • YEah, and the wheel was invented thousands of years before his birth. gg patent law : moogoperator
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      its not like you can fucking patent the pythagorem identity. a^2+b^2=c^2, you cant use this without my pe... : Crimson
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        http://people.howstuffworks.com/patent3.htm : tomatoactivator
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          The most prevalent examples of this are discoveries in the natural world. Scientists cannot patent laws o : walker270
          • Well, an algorithm doesn't necessarily define or explain a naturally occuring event (such as a set of for... : ieGod
      • "The new innovation patent can be prepared without professional help and only requires claimants to show ... : Hatta
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  a simplistic answer to simplistic gripes, it's about patents per se, it's about what can and should be ab : eskimo spy
  • argh add a "not" after "it's" and before "about", grr. : eskimo spy
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  OK, you have a misconception...patents were created to protect the iplementation of an idea. NOT this id... : dillonrp
  • Wow, that was a good post. : sexfiend
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    well tough shit. if someone develops and implements a process before you do, you'd better expect them to ... : tomatoactivator
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      From a practical standpoint, you are right - that's the way the system works. However, I think there is m... : Holesinswiss
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        iD gets to use a patent for free in return for a little reach around.. sounds like everything is working ... : tomatoactivator
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          uh... John Carmack and others PUBLICLY developed the zfail method with creative, and creative patented it... : moogoperator
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            good job of putting your name on the patent if you helped design it.... life ain't fair.. but no need to ... : tomatoactivator
            • yeah, but as gamers who dont want our gaming-crack-pimps getting fucked with, we boycott. : moogoperator
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              your arguments blow, and you are specifically being told why. you rebut with "life isn't fair". good job... : endozoan
              • there is a point to my post.... read the thread again. : tomatoactivator
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      wow, you've really made a fool of yourself : cam3lt0sis
      • kick ass!!! : tomatoactivator
    • Creative didn't even develop the algorithm. The patent office hands out patents like fucking candy though... : WillingZombie
    • Funny part is that from the looks of it, Creative didn't do anything about it until Doom III was closed t... : TrptJim
    • No, the purpose of the system is to prevent copies of IMPLIMENTATION. NOT to prevent imitation of proces... : batkiwi
• Dude, the whole patent system was really made before the 'digital age'. Software patents are 100% unbeli... : nukewinter