Duffy On DOOM 3

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• The xbox will not run D3 @ ultra detail. The amount of mem isn't the only limiting factor. The slow cpu, ... : [7]kami

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• Why are you pissed? How could you buy a 9200 without knowing it was slow? The 9200 was a slowass card fro... : yakz
• Yeah didn't that card come out in 1982? : doomdan24
• the 9200 is a rebadged 8500. I bought my 8500 December 2001. : kevp
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  u misunderstood me i guess... I have had this video card since 2002 : chemical3
  • That card was budget (=slow) 2 years ago. : [7]kami

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• lol wasted... i have an ati card... but my next will be nvidia... unless ati really gets there gear in... : nova_x
• heh, first thing I see on there is a 9.0c update to Direct X : snuff
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  i like how it's a "non-issue" because doom 3 isn't available yet not exactly the strongest defense... ... : Mansmells
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    Considering they did official benchmarks AT [id] with Carmack, its amazing that they would use that excus... : buckshack
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      I'd feel better if they weren't done at ID on IDs hardware with ID at the controls. : baron calamity
      • I think you can trust Id to be pretty fair in this regard. : Anti_dentite
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      I think the point is no users are having a bad experience with ATI cards because the game isn't out yet. ... : mallrice
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        well if you cant believe OFFICAL benchmarks, what the hells the point of doing them? this is ATI using wh... : buckshack
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          Who said i can't believe official benchmarks? What are you talking about? Do you realize DOOM3 will be bu... : mallrice
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            I think it's funny that they dismiss the benchmarks because the game's not out, but ask potential custome... : capt tripps
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              You're right that it's sort of silly. But the flipside is, what if next week they have drivers that bring... : mallrice
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                YEAH BUT what if nvivia comes out with drivers next week that make it run HL2 just as fast and Doom at do... : Liquid
                • Then it would be safe to say the driver market is much too volatile to rely on benchmarks, wouldn't it? : mallrice
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            get real will ya. I was talking about ATI not YOU. I think my point is pretty clear. your reading it wro... : buckshack
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              Ohhhh, buckshak. You were stupid yesterday too. : mallrice
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                thats really showing your maturity. Can't beat them with facts? insult them any way you can lol : buckshack
                • I can beat you with facts, but there's no point since you wouldn't read them. Thanks. : mallrice
          • DooM3 is a NV exclusive and HL2 is a ATI exclusive. : flashmasta
• heh, they're not defensive at all! : ermac
• "IM SWITCHING OVER RIGHT NOW" lol : Leroy Da Playa
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  http://www.hcgamer.hu/gamer/images/cikkek/2004_07/doom3ebgames_20040721_1.jpg http://www.hcgamer.hu/ga... : Senor PoopyPants
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    Yah ppl are definetly flipping out. I mean come on most ppl own between a 4600 ti and a 9800 xt. The min... : Rageaholic
    • whoops wrong thread : Rageaholic
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      Yah ppl are definetly flipping out. I mean come on most ppl own between a 4600 ti and a 9800 xt. The min ... : Rageaholic
      • wtfffffffffff bugs!! I give up : Rageaholic
• I didnt think that was a bad response. I guess we'll see, I also didnt read the original article :P : bagelcc

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  I'd rather stare at a Doom3 loading screen than play Daikatana. : stelth
  • well thats foolish :) : smackythefrog
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    Not my point. : Fred Garvin
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      why did he bring that up..did you work on daikatana? : deathofrats
      • I'm pretty sure he didn't...if he did he'd have a lot of interesting stories to tell I'm sure. : Vorlonesque
  • lol : personaljesus
  • awesome : cryptical
  • nice one. : intothefray
  • the only two choices out there! :D : Mansmells
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    what if the doom 3 loading screen is daikatana??? : alexthegreat2
    • Romero gets his revenge? : crinos
  • made me laugh : cap n KRUNCH

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  And my Ti4200. : Jeff Y
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    and my FX5200 : ToddBell
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      and my GF2 GTS 32MB, and the TNT2 Ultra in my other comp : sanchez
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        And my ait rage pro 128. : jahulio2
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          No more Matrox Millenium... : spl
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            so long Rendition Verite : Zteve
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              I love my Rendition cards :( : DKo5
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                Goodbye, S3 ViRGE, I knew thee well... : Cpt. Baseballbat
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                  R.I.P 128k Trident VGA ISA ! : dextius
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                    So long Tandy 16 color mode! : baron calamity
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                      farewell dot matrix printer and card punching machine : diddlyd
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                        GOODBYE SWEET ABACUS!! : Maddog_Delphi97
                        • goodbye counting on my fingers and thumbs : cap n KRUNCH
    • The 5200 was never anything to brag about. : Sarcastro
  • GF4 will work fine... : perforierer
• and my Voodoo2 :( : doomdan24
• and my Gf4 Mx : Concrete
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  You'll play the game fine, just not with uncompressed textures. I doubt you thought you'd be able to any... : batkiwi
  • I don't know.. GF3 is pushing it. : Ratsofatsorat
• and my BitBoys OY! Glaze 3D..... : galvatron
• The VIC-20 never had a chance... :( : Malum
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  Bow down my 6m Canopus voodoo1 bow down. : frosty
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    6MB??? Thats fucking NUTS : scatti
    • That was like the GOD of voodoo 1 cards : baron calamity
  • My Quake Clan's leader had one of those. Very very sweet at the time. : Liquid
  • bow to my monster 3d 4meg still in box mint : thatguy2090
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  So much for that 1 MB S3 virge card I have...... : The Wizard
  • Ah the Eagle it flew like eagle poo. : frosty
• think again doofus. the GF4MX runs it, why not your GF3? : dawurz

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• He's too busy planning our demise from his giant rocketship fortress in the sky! MUAHAHHAHAA!! : Maddog_Delphi97

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  then why does he say a 256md CARD : snocked
  • 256mb card, rather : snocked
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  i think you are wrong... hes talking about graphic carda thw whole time. the graphic card's memory is the... : alky
  • I don't think so. You don't store textures for the whole level in the graphics card memory, you store th : Gwyndion

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• You sir have made my day. : thenapalm

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  XBox: Only will run Doom ]|[ on low quality, due to only having 64MB of memory for graphics. : Arcanum
  • lol, more like OWNEDbox : snuff
  • Thats good enough for me :) : Leroy Da Playa
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    you have confirmation on this? : burning eye
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      yeah, screenshots. : Turd Ferguson
      • lol : silentzero
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        That, and common sense. Low quality is designed for 64MB video cards. The XBox only has 64MB of video m... : Arcanum
        • It is shared. : Silent Bob
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          "the XBox hardware has fallen behind modern PC hardware by a significant margin" I dont know, Ninja ga... : ShadeOGreen
          • the "couch resolution" you speak of does wonders for games - this is why current console titles manage to... : silentzero
          • Riddick looked TERRIBLE on my 60" HDTV. That real-time blurring (used to keep things smooth) made compli... : llamameat
          • Actually, cos the xbox renders at such a low res relative to a PC, you could probably get away with lower... : dirtypunk
      • ahahaha : personaljesus
  • lol low quality : nova_x

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  Or if it was like Half-Life in that you had a little "Loading..." every few minutes. That was the one thi... : DKo5
  • To each their own, but that drove me freaking nuts. Every few minutes LOAD. I'd much rather wait a few ... : Chod
  • Yes, that kicked ass. My one complaint is that there were a few monsters that were too close to the load... : Turd Ferguson
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    the half-life loading thign was ridiculous... just poor... not nailed at all took you right out of the... : nova_x
    • this is versus a 5 minute drive to the theatre and never being booted out :) : nova_x
    • hl loads were like 1.5 seconds. It was a stellar implementation imo. : johnny rotten
    • Never bothered me the music kept u there. : frosty
    • how does some text on a screen ruin the experience more than switching to an entirely different screen? : xenoeye
  • I cant stand that.. give me loading screens anyday. : Pneum0
  • I loved that. So very immersive. Full streaming is great, but in lieu of that, minimalistic loads work we... : sgtsanity
• I don't think it would be that; imagine the hitching you'd encounter as the game was loading up the level... : the archvile
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  Metroid Prime did it right. Half-Life paved the way to how it should be... : Madwacker
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    Prime definitely did it right. I don't know if you could do the same on a computer, though, since loadin... : DinK
    • That's something I don't understand. We know Nintendo pushed to have a top notch fast DVD reader so strea... : pillzer
• you probably have to flip a switch at the end of the level : Snifter_42

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  What do you mean? : Cygnus X-1
  • he's ready to hax the game : moz
  • http://hosted.zeh.com.br/flesh/ I mean I need to make it work right with DOOM 3 GUIs. : rorshack

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  they're down the street from me. maybe i can stop by tomorrow and pick you one up. seriously. who thou... : ibrokn
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    3dlabs is down the street from you? Get 2 of them. 1 for youself of course. In return I will send you ... : gunrock46
    • i might as well get one for everyone on the shack for 3 magic beans! : ibrokn
• Don't you mean http://www.3dlabs.com/products/product.asp?prod=293 : Toraz Chryx

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• Bit Boys are all over this shit... : Malum

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• that was a good show, too bad they ended it :( : hobosapien
• run msconfig on your machine....soundmanager.exe is running....jeese...that's like 4 megs of wasted ram : llamameat

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• *sigh* WHY CAN'T CARMACK MAKE PUNCHING THROUGH MONITOR TECHNOLOGY! : kevp
• your system will MORE then play the game. if you follow all the posts by carmack and benches at hardoc... : flasher 907
• I imagine you will do very well. The only difference between your computer and mine is hdd, os, and your ... : The Wizard
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  acording to john carmack it is very likely your machine will have problems since it is over clocked. 9... : ilem0n
  • it was overclocked videocards he was talking about if i recall : spector
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  http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8209354 : Don Vito Corleone
  • Oh, and this is necessary too... http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8209318 : Don Vito Corleone
• no your CPU power is lacking and you only have a card that up until a month ago was one of the highest pe... : peter
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  I have a Cray supercomputing cluster running at approximately 20Ghz and a BitBoys 4GB video card and 1TB ... : moz
  • probably wont run too well, considering DOOM 3 isn't set up for that kind of massivley parralell setup. ... : Snifter_42
  • <sarcasm>You'll be able to play the game at 2048x1536 with 32xaa/64xaf at 300 fps (if you can unlock it i... : The Wizard
• You need at least 8Kg of RAM to play. : Bakelite
• radeon 9800 pro lol so slow : snuff
• If you're looking for top-endish kind of play, you'd probably want a P4EE, or crank that P4 up to 3.6 or ... : bostrov

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  ?? If they select the correct settings for their card they will be able to play it just fine : Katarn3279
  • Just replace video setting with annual salary brackets - or level of debt... : Malum
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    Stencil shadows kick a 9700 PRO in the nuts, and thats a shitty feature to play without. Even with stenci... : yakz
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      And you know this.. how? : Toraz Chryx
      • Hopefully my 9800 pro will be able to do that stuff... "Future game engines, however, such as the Doo... : tommysgun
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        I don't know how he knows it, I mean especially since the XBox is basically using a GF3 on super-steroids... : Vorlonesque
        • Uh, the XBOX GPU is not a GeForce3, the game runs much closer to the hardware, and the game is running at... : yakz
      • I was talking about FarCry, I just realized he was talking about DOOM. Doh. : yakz
• so let me get this straight. you say a 9700 card wont run it EVEN after ID already gave minimum sys requ... : X-GOUKI
• it'll play pretty well - it's just that it'll show the card's age : Postal

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• for shame. shoulda unplugged your computer for one more week. : invadernny
• Link to new review please? I have no problems with looking :D : bbq gibs
• I draw the line with these new reviews and pics. I glanced at a couple pages very quickly and regret doin... : buckshack

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  There are two new reviews the one from the Aussie magazine (3d Realms) and the other German magazine "rev... : doomdan24
  • There's an Aussie one? You mean in English? Linkee? : nachowray
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  i aint going anywhere near those.... must...be...strong : johnny rotten
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    but... the pics from the german mag are insane... you must =D : sek the slut
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      they are RIDDLED with spoilers, DONT do it:) I ony saw 4 of them and I regret it. : buckshack
      • srsly. I saw a single pic and almost cried :( : DKo5
  • agreed Not much longer to go but I'm about to stop reading all Doom3 posts. I had to stop myself from wa... : morinaga
  • You neeeeeds the precious... : doomdan24
  • don't look. they show bosses. not cool. : kingdepork
• EXTREME spolier alert! Of course I HAD to go look because I'm a weak bastard. Some of the best shots seen... : Silent Bob
• Haven't read the German review, but if what they say about the repetitiveness of the maps is true, then I... : vestax
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  So I don't go read the spoilers: is the review positive or so-so? : pillzer
  • they're all positive 96 % and a bar has been raised for the first time since half-life, doom3 is the b... : jet-poop
  • Both reviews gave it a 96%. : sek the slut
• Link? There are too many posts to look through at 3drealms. : bbq gibs
• NOTE: Turn off image loading if you only want to read the reviews. : bbq gibs

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• and it runs d3 Uber FAst0rz : broken switch

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  how is this doom related? do they use directx? : malloc
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    no : wtf242
    • They didn't use Direct3D, but are you sure they don't use DirectX at all? : Kerath
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  just a shot in the dark here, but isn't 9.0c required to make use of shader model 3.0? So that would be ... : saleen19
  • I don't think doom 3 is even shader model 2.0 : scud

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• be still my heart! : dextius
• wait... I though the release date was the 6th... but a week from today is the 2nd right? have I gone tota... : voodooraze
• Hello Frank there are 7 days remaining. : Vorlonesque

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• www.ua-corp.com : delataur
• http://www.ua-corp.com/ : johnny rotten
• http://www.ua-corp.com/ : doomdan24
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  http://www.ua-corp.com/nosound.html : ilem0n
  • Very cool! : brutal
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  hmm.. that's precisely the time I get my paycheck direct-deposited into my bank account... : snuff
  • Same here (well the same day). : Vorlonesque

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  Big memory requirements are different than the fill-rate bottlenecks of the past. Hell, the Unreal3 engin... : yakz
  • don't try to rain on the doom3 parade : cam3lt0sis
• GOD BLESS TEH CARMACK : johnny rotten
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  Hrm, I think that ATI 9700-9800 era was probably the first time it ever happened. Who could run Q2 at 102... : kevp
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    The 8500 was a pretty good card for Quake3. It could handle 1024x768 with high textures and trilinear / a... : yakz
    • Ofcourse the 8500 came out a little bit after Quake3...hell the Radeon32DDR came out a little bit after i... : Vorlonesque
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  Think back to the does days. There were many games that pushed the envelope so hard that the best system... : Chod
  • does=DOS grr : Chod
• Think back to q3. People making it "custom ugly" trying to acheive 60fps. : Sludgehead
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  Heh, it happend for Doom, it happened for quake 1, it happened for quake 3 and now it MIGHT be happening ... : killboy
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    Actually I remember Quake3 ran fairly well on the Voodoo2 and TNT2U cards I ran it on back when it was fi... : Vorlonesque
    • Voodoo 2 SLI maybe. A single V2 would have have to run at least r_picmip 1 (more like 2 or 3) and at only... : Silent Bob
• Quake 2 needed SLI voodoo's to run silky smooth, Q3 CRUSHED the newest cards at the time, same for Doom 3... : u sir name
• Ultima X : capt tripps
• I don't think it's that hard to just use huge uncompressed textures. : Kerath

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• Thank you. : The Wizard

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  I hate SourceSafe. So old and busted. Looking like we'll see a new version next year, though. Hooray. : yakz
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    Perforce is an excellent solution, just an fyi. CVS is always there (of course), along with Subversion a... : VashTheStampede
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      Yeah around here we use perforce and its pretty good. SourceSafe needs to die horribly : MrLobo
      • I've used both SourceSafe and Perforce. I loves the Perforce! : brushbaron
    • CVS + Bugzilla + TortoiseCVS + ArmyAnts (cvs <-> bugzilla intgeration suite) == the bomb. I like Subvers... : dextius
  • The new Visual Team System or whatever it's called sounds pretty good from what I've read so far. Yeah v... : Carnivac

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  I've just about given up on screenshots... its seems to me that some sort of animation of the game in mot... : sharkII
  • Uhm.. You're a little off-topic here. Visual artifacts due to reduced texture detail are one thing that... : jason e

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  not till xmas at the earliest id bet theyre having trouble enough as it is shipping the current batch! : sexninja!!!!
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    I gave up looking for them. 1024 at medium quality with about 50 fps cannot be all that bad.... : The Wizard
    • Until you read crap like this: http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14359&start=80 digital : johnny rotten
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  Buying top of the line computer parts is hardly ever the logical choice. The price to performance ratio ... : Snifter_42
  • some parts just HAVE to be the best though.. especially in x800 land. : Bali
  • "The price to performance ratio isnt all that great" that would have been true, but not with these new li... : buckshack

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• that would be interesting, SLI 6800 ultras! : OverBurN
• I have 2 Voodoo's 2 waiting to answer that question. :D : stelth
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  I wonder if both cards would store identical texture data... SLI may not help you out if SLI cards store... : protozone
  • id imagine so, since each card renders half the screen, and any given texture could be in any give half a... : sexninja!!!!
  • "Q: Is the frame-buffer memory shared, i.e., can I access a 512MB frame-buffer if I have two GPUs with 2... : SlimJim
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  If it's voodoo style then it'd be speed but no visual improvements. (not exactly, but close) : geedeck
  • well speed lets you turn up the visuals. there's nothing inherent to any dual-card setup that makes it l... : DinK

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  Yeah. When I bought my 256mb 9800 pro, all the reviews were like "There is no practical application for t... : Ratsofatsorat
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    Yes, I certainly hope that in the future all reviewers will speculate on whether or not a certain card mi... : insta
    • Its also a cost thing -- at the time, 128megs more was quite a bit more on the card. I opted for the 128... : VashTheStampede
    • Are you being sarcastic here? I can't tell. : Ratsofatsorat
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    They were right, unless you can justify spending a lot more money on a video card for just one game. Mos... : Sapiens
    • The card has steamrolled everything for a year and a half, and now it'll be able to tackle Doom 3 pretty ... : Ratsofatsorat
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    Well, even with a 256 i dont think uncompressed would be a great idea if you want silky smooth performanc... : Speedy8
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      No, but it'll help a lot running the game under less than ultra settings : Ratsofatsorat
      • Well the reviews were still right, at the time there was no use for 256, and still really isn't until the... : Speedy8
• because the 512mb cards are not out yet? yay for Doom3 future! : radula

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  Because even minimal compression would cut the sizes by like half. : Kerath
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    Depense on the texture style, its resolution and (I think) the compression method. Compressed textures in... : pillzer
    • *depends*.. I really can't type : pillzer
    • see that http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=8238509 I don't think the compression will be very noticable ... : pillzer

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  Open a command prompt and type: finger raduffy@idsoftware.com | more : malevolence
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    cool, didnt know about this, thanks :) : doomed
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      I love to finger developers from the command line. I feel like such a nerd. : malevolence
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        >> I love to finger developers f... what? : johnny rotten
        • :D : pillzer