Mini-UT Impressions

I don\'t know if this is the place to ask it, but here goes -- When I play UT for prolonged periods of time, say maybe 5-7 restarts of a map(hey, I\'m a college student, and I have a lot of stuff to do), I get some really weird problems with the textures in the game. Basically I get an aura of a certain texture that follows me around, or I will see the Unreal Tournament black texture vanishing from all the walls and columns and such as I move into the room. I turned off dynamic lighting, thinking that might be the problem, but there was no luck in that route.

Something sorta similar also happens in Q3A, though to a much, much smaller extent. Basically I get a little extra lighting following me around.

I\'m running a Maxi Gamer Xentor TNT2 Ultra (non-overclocked) on a standard P3-500 with 128 MB RAM. I\'m using the 2.28 Detonator drivers from Nvidia to run it. A friend told me I was having a mipmapping problem, but I haven\'t the faintest idea what that really is. Any ideas as to what is wrong and how I go about fixing it?

blah blah blah, flamebait flamebait flamebait. these arguments start to sound like arguments with an insecure gf.
i played them both and i had tons of fun with UT. Then Q3 came along and i haven\'t played UT since. It\'s not necessarily cuz i hate UT now that q3\'s out, but really, it\'s what i like to play. I haven\'t played online yet.

Although I think it\'s really hard to say which netcode is better. Because really, most of our connections are so fluctuating, i\'m sure there are times when you\'re playing UT when it plays like shit, and same with Q3. Just depends on your connect.

I finally switched models in Q3, and yeah, the whole hitching thing is annoying. And i guess while in all technicalities it is a bug, but that\'s the best way they could think of to deal with it. It\'s not like they can\'t change it or anything, but they figured that was the easiest way to load models.

As for bots hmm i dunno. I was a lot more immersed in single player Q3 than single-player UT. Maybe it\'s the one-on-one levels that add to it. But really, playing klesk on his level and knowing he loves the rail gun is cool, I think. It keeps it from every single game being the same. It just depends on what you like, I guess. With UT, I noticed, for me at least, it\'s less about what weapon they have and more about what weapon i have. i\'m more focused on how i\'m gonna kill them with my weapon. With Q3, I was more about what weapon they had. If someone like klesk has a railgun, i had better run for cover. But if a lesser one like i dunno, crash has it, i\'m more likely to just go after her and hope she misses :) UT also has each character have a \"favorite\" and characteristics too, but it\'s not as important. I always forget who\'s who so it doesn\'t really matter. With Q3, thanks to the diverse models, you know which character will react which way. But again, nothing wrong with either...it\'s really a matter of preference.

But that\'s single-player..who plays that?

I don\'t remember who said it, but they said it pretty well. Right now, UT is quite diverse and it has the upper-hand. However, Q3 has the prettier and more versatile engine, not to mention a stronger community behind it, so pretty soon Q3 will take over the \"lead\" quite rapidly.

the weapons..hmm..I actually think Q3\'s are better. Sure, they aren\'t great or anything, but each one is pretty bright and it\'s pretty damn easy to tell who has what weapon (although usually they\'re firing it anyway :)). With UT, I dunno, it\'s just not as apparent. There are also a lot more new weapons to learn and know what they look like too..blah that ;) Overall i liked both of their weapons. Q3\'s were easy to recognize and know how to use, UT had a wide variety and some new ones to get used to which is cool (never played unreal).

the levels in both i liked. UT had a lot of \"gimmicky\" map but most of it didn\'t interfere with gameplay. Q3\'s were just awesome. Although i kinda liked the old q3 maps, like that one dm map i forget which one, where you hit the lever and that whole floor opens up and you fall in the lava, but there\'s also a button to crush the guy inside that box. i always thought those were fun. Sure, there\'s that thing on the end map but other than that not all that interactive. Whatever, I live.

Well, I forgot where i was going with this. It\'s just a bunch of petty arguing here, where one person will argue with another person by missing their point completely. But hey, you all know that already :)

#110

I cannot convey the disgust I feel every time I hear that the id name is a strength of Q3.

A few people have mentioned it, but it bears repeating: the mods will make the difference. I think after a while, Q3 will pull ahead, not necessarily because it\'s better, but because its community is much bigger and more passionate towards the Quake games than people are towards UT. Plus, the Id brand-name won\'t hurt.

As for me, I look forward to doing maps for both games...

AHHH...I should have kept quite :)

I don\'t have a problem anymore. It was just when I first started playing it. The models are very similar in size and color from a distance. That is all I have to say :)

I\'ve talked to some other people who have complained about this, so I know I\'m not the only one.

It isn\'t that big a deal. I was just thinking this may have been a part of why Steve didn\'t like the models.

#100 - Since when do you take any CEO\'s assessment of the competition seriously? What is he supposed to say... \"Umm..I am really glad we have thousands of fanatic fans who will buy any thing we stamp id on because the competition is making a better product.\"

\"I think that Quake 3 Arena is the best deathmatch game of all time, and that second place is not even close.\" - Todd Hollenshead, CEO, id Software

Errr...okay Todd. You\'re basically saying that UT is a complete POS. You\'re ingnorant Todd. Both are good games, get over you, your game, and your company.

But from a distance, UT\'s guns are difficult to decide if I\'m going to run over there and grab it, especially in shadows.

Like I said, you get used to it, but they are not very distinct. In this aspect, like em or not, Q3\'s are much better. Even Unreals were much better in appearance.

# 93
The RL is recognizable by the silver streak.
The Minigun is very thin.
The pulse Gun is Green.

They really don\'t look THAT much alike.

#89
Good point. Some people say that UT has too many weapons and thee multi firing modes takes away skill.

If you haven\'t got the skill to compensate, then the weapons aren\'t the problem.

This thread has turned out rather nicely, no flame wars here, no bitching. I like it.

#92, nope. q3a weapon models are certainly not impressive either. i like them better than the UT models though, but that isnt saying much.

The problem with the way UT\'s weapons look is that several look very similar from a distance...ie RL, Pulse, and chain. They are similar in size and color.

Yes, you get used to it, but it could have been better.

Quick comment for sCaryÂ… You said \"Overall I\'d just say they are average, the weapon models themselves arenÂ’t all that impressive looking at all.\" IÂ’m wondering what you would think is impressiveÂ… I hope not the Q3 weaponsÂ…. The RL and SSG are just tubes with slits in the end of them and the rest practically look like they were built out of leggos, theyÂ’re so blockyÂ…. Except for the swirling energy windows on a few like the plasma gun, they donÂ’t look at all better than Q2 weapons. TheyÂ’re not even animated.

Holy cow.

Okay a few comments on this whole thing. Number one. A \"hitching\" is a bug. Mind you I get a \"hitch\" in UT all the time too...not enough RAM.

Number two...anyone running a Celeron 400 with 348 megs of RAM and a TNT2Ultra is runnign an above average system. Just not above average for the people posting on this board. Most people I know are running sub-300 mhz systems with a maximum of 128 megs of RAM and maybe a 16 meg TNT. More likely an ATI card (OEM specs).

Number Three. I\'m sure Quake 3 is a great game, but I\'m only going to play UT. Why? Casuse I like it better. Plain and simple. Somepeople like Q3 better. Well, enjoy it then. HOWEVER jumping on a bandwagon based on the number of people playing a game, on the number of copies of a game sold, or on the number of servers running a game is simply stupidity. If we want to base the quality of a game on the number of people playing it then the freaking Solitaire game that shipped with Windows 9x is the single greatest game in the history of ciomputer games! All hail solitaire! Bring on Solitaire net code!

Thats it, my $.02. Now bring on Tribes 2 so I can go back to ignoring quake and Unreal entirely.

Steven. Are you kidding? Q3 weapons better than UT?

My god.. maybe if id had used NEW MOVELS (hint railgun) and crappier ones (shaft and RL, uhg)

We deserve more than crap.

AVault thinks that UT will do a bit better because \"UT comes with an editor\". Unreal came with an editor, and even though it had a much prettier engine than Quake2 it still didn\'t \"win\" in mod support... I mean it has a lot of mods, but so what if much fewer people play them.

The editor on CD is a non-issue, if somebody has lots of time to put into making levels for a game, they will take a few minutes to download the editor.