Futuremark Loves NVidia
by Steve Gibson, Jun 02, 2003 4:00pm PDTHere is your hardware scene soap opera of the day... So it looks like Futuremark suddenly doesnt feel like NVidia is cheating on 3DMark03 after all now? Yeah.. check out the full statement on HardOCP and here's a little summary and translation:
FutureMark Statement: Futuremark now has a deeper understanding of the situation and NVIDIA's optimization strategy. In the light of this, Futuremark now states that NVIDIA's driver design is an application specific optimization and not a cheat. NVIDIA Statement: NVIDIA works closely with developers to optimize games for GeForceFX. These optimizations (including shader optimizations) are the result of the co-development process. This is the approach NVIDIA would have preferred also for 3DMark03. Translation VIA HardOCP: FutureMark reneges on previous statements and confirms NVIDIA was not cheating on their benchmark and NVIDIA will not take a legal action against FutureMark that would bankrupt them.
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I mean heck, it makes sense to throw in some optimizations after the fact if you are learning how to tweak new extensions..?
I dunno... I personally think both companies are NOT guilty - but Futuremark should take more note to not do stupid soap box announcements, throwing around weight they don't actually have. Benchmarks are REFERENCE SCORES, the benchmark itself is not a measure of a video card company's validity. ATI and Nvidia both should retain the right to modify drivers however they want, IMO. It keeps them in control over their own stuff, not a third party.
All in all, small potatoes. Futuremark reinventing themselves, new name, new angle on things... simmer down. I appreciate you making good benchmarks, but do not attempt to control hardware manufacturers - that makes you less and less of an isolated objective entity when you pass judgement in that fashion.
Thoughts?
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Take for an example, if you wanted to find the fastest car to go from 0 to 60mph. Would it be fair for one car maker to substitute the normal gas for a slightly better performing gas? No.
I also would rather see them work with the developers to make various vertex/pixel/fragment programmers better on the source end rather than inside the driver level on a specific case by case basis. The card and the drivers should perform specifically how we, the developers, instruct them to perform. Changing visual quality in regards to performance should be the developers' decision and not theirs.
Personally I buy cards based on performance and have no allegiance to either company. I have an Nvidia card now but if I had to purchase a new card today it would definitely be an ATI but in the future who knows.
ATI fanboys a week ago: Nvidia is cheating, did you read what futuremark said?
ATI fanboys this week: Futuremark was bought off by nvidia, did you read what they said?
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It sounds like a completely stupid thing to do, as it wouldnt receive any speed up at all (rather it would be a slow down, as youd be checking against twice as many clip planes, and getting the same clipping done).
As for the incorrect fragment program results, that could easily be put down to the drivers TRYING to optimize the fragment programs, but making mistakes and altering the output.
And before anyone shouts that Im an nVidia fanboy, Ive purchased 1 Radeon9500, and 1 Radeon9600...except that the radeon9500 died, and ATI havent shipped the 9600 after 2 months of being on order....
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ApplicationSpecificOptimization = Cheat;
else
GreatThisGameRunsBetterWithThisSpecificCard();
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Futuremarks lawyers
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Nvidia's lawyers
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Futuremarks bank balance
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Nvidia's
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case closed.
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$100 this has been happening for a while in other games/benches and people just haven't found out yet.
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LAME
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Mike @ www.uber-gear.com
Nvidia: tell me where in the above summary I've erred, since it sure looks like this is what you're doing, and it's crap. The fact that your size makes it possible for you to threaten futuremark's existence makes me distrust your joint press release's truthfulness.
Disclaimer: I do not own an Nvidia or ATI product, nor do I have any relationship with the above companies.
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We need the truth from TEH CARMACK.
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futuremark: but but we would look bad if we do that
nvidia: here have some more money
futuremark: ok
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Without getting sued anyway?
Or was it the fact that they called them "cheaters"?
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Review sites better start making their own demos from now on so nVidia companies can't cheat. I think some do it already, but I'm not sure.
I usually looked at benchmarks for 3DMark and didn't really care, but now I won't even bother with that.
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HARRRR
Threatening legal action against those who give your product a bad review. Thats pretty low NVIDIA.
Next thing we will see is game reviewers getting sued for slammin crappy games.
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Maybe i should sue nvidia for making such crappy video cards that generate too much heat causing my electric bills to be higher than usual so i can cool my house more.
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