ATI Launches Radeon 9800

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• Speed! : brutal
• 3 letters : koder
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  how much faster is pro : tarddinosaur
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    like the difference between a blowjob from your girlfriend, and one from a PROstitute. : radula
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      When I overclock the prostitute, do the STDs go away ? : booyaka
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        HAHAHA!! funnay : XerXes
        • YOU are teh funnay. Hey aren't you an XML parser ? or some ancient king ? eh whatever. : booyaka

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• sheep follows in the same steps..... I am very happy with what ATI has done in the past 6-8 months... : sheepraper
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  Yeah I am getting teary too. I've been using Nvidia since the TNT days. It's going to feel weird having... : MarksmanX
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    Trust me.. That feeling goes away very fast : freak!
    • Yup, my teary feeling lasted just about one boot process with the new 9700 PRO. : [7]kami
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  after the ole geforce2 gts, i got my current card 8500....im not sure weather to go 9800pro or 9700pro...... : lance22
  • oh yah, my point was... ATI \m/!!!! : lance22

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• Ansiotropic Filtering : Toraz Chryx
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  Anisotropic filtering http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,559035,00.asp A few quick parse: ... : redshift
  • Minus "few", stupid typos : redshift
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    I still don't get it. =/ I guess I'm just not TECH ENUFF for all of j00 : Kryn
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      Textures become less detailed the further away they are. AF keeps them more detailed even at a distance d... : Cygnus X-1
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        Oh. Dun really care about that myself, then. I always just assumed that was something bulit into game ... : Kryn
        • I had the same opinion.. untill i bought a 9700 PRO and saw it in action. Now i will never go back. You s... : [7]kami
    • Basically to reduce aliasing we traditionally use mipmappng, that is we switch to lower detail textures t... : Sebastian Sylvan

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• amen sir! : annih1late
• I saw somewhere that they ran Doom3 at 60 fps on an GF4200ti. Apparently they "patched" it with some new ... : Sebastian Sylvan

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  Hope they mention that the drivers nVidia released were specifically tailored for 3DMark03..pretty lame c... : 5150 Joker
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    I think they were just proving the point that benchmarks are flawed. With a little tweak they can get suc... : koder
    • That doesn't make the benchmark flawed, it just means the company is "cheating" in a sense. Even futurema... : 5150 Joker
• Great! Can't wait to see all the games that take advantage of the Geforce FX's 51,000+ shader instruction... : Colin Higgins

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  9600 is also .15, it's the clocked down version of the R350, a step above the 9500. so all the cards stil... : Slowtreme
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    No, 9600 is .13u : 5150 Joker
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      9600 is .15u : samhain78
      • You're wrong, I'm right. : 5150 Joker
  • 9600 is .13. The only .13 that ATI has announced so far. : Freon

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  9700's are actually selling pretty well. Besides, why don't you just order it from Newegg.com? : Colin Higgins
  • what does that mean... newegg is running $389 right now. That's out-fucking-ragious for a card to play ga... : d-man
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  I hear the 9600 Pro is faster than the 5600 Ultra. I think I read it from tom's hardware. We won't know u... : diehlr
  • I can't find benchmarks for the 9600 series either. : capt tripps

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• All the benchmarks I've seen have shown virtually no difference in speed between AGP4x and 8x. : koder
• It's not a question of "games needed AGP8X", it's a question of the rest of the system being able to full... : Toraz Chryx
• By the time anything benefits from AGP8x, it will be made obsolete by PCI Express or some derivative. Don... : diehlr

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• working fine here with PowerDVD and CTHD : Old_Fart

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• All your years belong to us. : johnny rotten
• damn you NAFTA : BulletPro
• Canadians also developed Splinter Cell! : TwiLyght
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  R9700 was created mainly by ArtX (Americans) and the President of ATi (david orton) is also American, he ... : 5150 Joker
  • ... Fine. I'm English btw, so don't start accusing me of being pro-canada or anything! : Toraz Chryx

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  I dont neccessarily agree with that. If the NV35 has the horsepower to dramtically outperform the R350 a... : johnny rotten
  • I can run the alpha right now with my 9700 pro with 2XAA at 1024 and still manage 30 fps. I'm sure the 25... : 5150 Joker

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  You forgot to add this part. although we're not sure if it will be able to outperform the Radeon 9800 : MarksmanX
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    ...I think the linkage covered that quite nicely :) : SlamDunk
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      These are shackers dude. They are too fucking lazy to click and read! : MarksmanX
      • I click, therefore I am : SlamDunk
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  They said the same thing about the GFFX... it's more hype. But if they backup the hype, good for them.... : reVy79
  • You are deluding yourself if you think NVidia is out for good ... : slammy
• <insert joke about noise making appendage> : Arjun Thakur
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  NV35 won't be out until at least the end of the summer but more likely sept/oct. I guarantee it. : 5150 Joker
  • Probably true, they were so wrong with the FX why should we believe anything they say now? : koder

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• your name is cool : urbansling

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• omfg this post is typo's paradise. someone shoot me plz kthxbye : fr0ggie

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  in all fairness, there are still a few offputting things with ATi's drivers, they aren't the horrorshows ... : Toraz Chryx
  • The only problems I've had with my 9700 since purchase is a Battlefield 1942 issue (which was fixed quick... : Colin Higgins
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    They have no more or less problems then nvidia drivers do, though at least ATi doesn't suffer from the nv... : redshift
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      There's things like the OpenGL bug that gives you a black screen except for a small block around the curs... : Toraz Chryx
      • Hrm, I've never had a problem with Tribes, haven't played Homeworld though : redshift
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        does Homeworld run in D3D fine on a 9700? If so, then there's not really a problem. : Old_Fart
        • in D3D Homeworlds ingame menus stutter horribly, in OpenGL the out of game menus suffer from the 'small b... : Toraz Chryx
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        My point is that ATi's bugs these days tend to be display glitches, Nvidias tend to be crash glitches (nv... : Toraz Chryx
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          I dont know which is worse, the occasional crash or visual tearing and the like. : Cygnus X-1
          • I'd say that depends on the sort of game you're playing :) : Toraz Chryx
    • OK, how many sets of Detonator drivers can you try to fix your error though? There are dozens... how many... : reVy79
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  Or E) Had a really bad experience with ATI products back in the day : Kryn
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    Like the Rage series? Yeah...I understand. : Colin Higgins
    • That plus the TV Wonder back when the released drivers didn't work and you had to use "Beta" drivers that... : Kryn
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    kind of like the NV1? : Old_Fart
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      Dunno what that means. I used the original Voodoo until the TNT2s came out. : Kryn
      • it means that Nvidia had problems in that past also. I don't care what kind of fuckup the hardware compa... : Old_Fart
• I had multiple Direct 3D driver error logs when I tried the 9700 PRO. But OpenGL ran fine. I can say qu... : MarksmanX
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  Unless you actually own an ATI card and are speaking out of personal experience... But that *never* ha... : Freon
  • Before I bought my 9700, everybody was telling me it was going to be just like the 8500; it wasn't. : Colin Higgins
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  I've had numerous problems with different series Radeon boards and ATI's drivers. Maybe you haven't, but ... : reVy79
  • It's stable, pal.... : Colin Higgins

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  wow..quite a difference. that ATI shot looks perfect. : veggie
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    yeah seriously. you'd think that by 6xAA (max on each card), that you'd see some difference between AA... : dopeman
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      But have they correctly captured the AA version of the image this time? :) : koder
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        i'd have to say no.. because it's almost impossible to stand in the same position and take the same scree... : dopeman
        • did you read the article? They used a spawn point to capture the pics and never moved from that point so ... : Old_Fart
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      That in itself shows you that 3Dfx engineers design that card :P : MarksmanX
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        I had a voodoo5 5500 at one time, the FSAA was beautiful on it, that card was just slow er than a GF2 and... : Old_Fart
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          I dropped 3Dfx after the Voodoo 2 SLI. So they could have improved qualitywise. But when I went to my fi... : MarksmanX
          • the 5500 was absolutely better looking than my GF2 was, by a big margin, but at that time the FSAA wasn't... : Old_Fart
• not only in sheer picture quality, but look at those frame rates! : Turd Ferguson
• For 6x AA, the NV30 is unacceptably bad... : Alf Alpha
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  Beleive it or not I think your post just broke the camels back. Thats a signifigant difference for for an... : Cygnus X-1
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    The problem is, will you really notice that difference in the middle of a firefight or fragfest? : Kryn
    • I do in BF1942 : Old_Fart
    • No but thats not the only situation I'm in. Take a game like morrowind or hell even DOOm will be slower p... : Cygnus X-1
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      use external camera when you fly a plane in bf1942 very ugly and yea, i do notice the lack of AA in g... : -=kodiak=-
      • it's easier to hit players at a distance with higher resolution and AA.. since you can better tell their ... : diehlr
      • Yeah, IL2 Sturmovik also loves AA. : Vorlonesque
    • Except not only does the ATI card look better in this case, it's also running nearly 3 times faster. : Vantage
• Haha... Man, they really should've used 256 bit memory. : Colin Higgins
• ati's is a little brighter and a ton faster. : brutal

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  if my photoshop skillz were better I'd take a shot of a concorde taking off and replace the RR engines wi... : Toraz Chryx
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    You mean like this? http://home.attbi.com/~nhawk7/concordboost.jpg :D : -dm7
    • hahahha, that is great! : diehlr
  • I did one and then found out shackuploads is down. : Old_Fart
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  i don't give a shit about how many slots a card takes up or how big it is just which performs better but ... : spector
  • GeForce Harley is a more appropriate name. : Topaz
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    what about if it puts out 70+ dba? its not just that its big, the thing is LOUD, like louder than a vast... : Turd Ferguson
    • not to mention 90% of lawnmowers : karl hungus
• We'll I'd assume it would be an easy decision considering they're not going to sell that GeForceFX config... : Stormrider

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  yeah the z-cache thing may make doom3 faster, plus the infinite pixel shader instructions, another thing ... : boobie
  • Yeah, whenever there's a new significant card on the market, he usually has something intereting to say a... : Dynotaku
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  Reminder, ATI leaked the Doom3 demo, so you can bet that is on teh carmacks mind : stgdz
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    I'm sure id is pretty pissed off about that, I'm sure one or more people lost their jobs over that, but i... : Dynotaku
    • Yeah, Carmack doesn't work that way from what I can tell. And it wouldn't be smart to piss ATI users off... : Vorlonesque
  • Oh come on, as if he'd punish ATI owners because one ATI employee got fired. : johnny rotten
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    Maybe I missed it, but where's the absolute proof that it was ATI who leaked the demo? A few lines from : TwiLyght
    • I think they put cookies in the binaries so if one was leaked they would know the source. So ATI got an A... : xvdl

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• Same here dude... : tommysgun
• Ditto'd : str8upkiller

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• LoL... You lost your monay... : tommysgun
• You invested in tech stock?? Here... have my 2003 New Years goggles... you need them more than I do. : laidback

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  If you play on default settings and not the maximum settings then no. : MarksmanX
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    I believe it only has to do with texture memory, not actual performance. Someone set me straight on this ... : traxx
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      I always disable the S3TC in Jedi Knights. The game was so damn ugly with the texture compression I could... : MarksmanX
      • with 128 megs memory I turn it off too, SoF2 loaded a lot quicker with texture compression turned off, a ... : Old_Fart
• It should ONLY effect stuttering. As you play a game, textures are loaded from your hard drive into RA... : LoveGravy
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  There are currently only a few ways to saturate a 128 meg card. UT2K3 with the ultra high texture detail... : johnny rotten
  • Don't forget though, "128MB of textures" isn't the saturation point on a 128MB card, You have 128MB minus... : Toraz Chryx

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• yeah just rubb it in you saddistic bastard. :D : Hoax
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  Why? It's not over yet. : LoveGravy
  • This round certainly is. That would be two in a row for ATI. : yakz
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  Yup, 2 in a row, but don't ignore a CRUCIAL point. NVIDIA was slowed because of the move the .13 process... : LoveGravy
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    You meant NV35 not NV34 right? : koder
    • Yeah, I meant the NV35. Here's a snip from Firingsquad: "Let’s think about it for a seco... : LoveGravy
  • well, seeing as the 9800 is still on the .15u process, and Nvidia had to use that atrocity of a heatsink/ : dopeman
• Crowing over it makes you just as bad though. : Carnivac
• one more and TKO? j/k :) : Erit
• Don't worry about them, the true fanboy thrives on underdog status and being 2nd; look at how rabid the M... : eskimo spy
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  Give condolences to yourself first.. http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=6820549 : dn__
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    It's true my last 3 cards have been Nvidia, but that doesn't mean my next will will be. Unlike some I do... : Sludgehead
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      You didn't have to explain anything to me.. All I asked was that you give yourself condolences.. : dn__
      • In short, no condolences needed. Unlike many I'm not upset that ati is kicking the crap out Nvidia. : Sludgehead
• Being the whore that I am, I can only enjoy this sorta thing. I had a 3dfx Voodoo2 way back when, then a... : Vorlonesque

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• yes, but ATI has managed to keep things moving forward which is good : phil_mckraken
• Who thought the R350 was going to be revolutionary? : Toraz Chryx
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  Kind of like the FX card then. : Sludgehead
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    Except faster. : Halen
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      and smaller : Turd Ferguson
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        and less noisy : Hoax
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          and more Canadian. : xvdl
          • well it can't only have good points eh? : Hoax

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• I'll give you 5 bucks for it. : gmd
• remember this screen name and shackmsg me with a price when you are looking to rid yourself of it, i'm se... : kevp

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• Looking to sell your 9700... Might be interested.. : Sylvanus
• incrementally faster. : johnny rotten
• it seems to be like 15-25% faster than the 9700pro overall : urbansling

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• i will probably do the same. although anything below 200 for that card will be an awesome price. : Turd Ferguson
• As soon as the main 9700 drops to <£200 I'm there. : node

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  Yeah, one can only HOPE that's driver related. I like ATI's products but I don't want Nvidia to get compl... : diehlr
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    That's hilarious that you mention FX's troubles possibly being driver related :) : 5150 Joker
    • Yeah, the tables have turned in the past year.. : diehlr
  • It is likely that the FX is running at full precision in those tests where it gets slaughtered. I could b... : yakz

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• indeed, but watch your store shelves =P : killah
• killah is a deluded fanboy--some places already have it in stock albeit the company was ripping ppl off f... : Cpt. Baseballbat