New ATI Vidcard Within 30 Days

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  they are seriously awesome. The "bad drivers" mojo surrounding them is just fuelled by the nvidia fanboys... : ventro
  • Ever try to run teh NWN toolset or play any RPG's? When i had a 8500 back in the fall it was awful driver... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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    It's not fueled by nvidia fanboys, its fueled by crappy ati drivers in the past. I've had problems with ... : Mo__
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      it's fueled by ignorance now yea, the rage 128 series was fucking horrible... i suffered through that ... : -=kodiak=-
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        BS kodiak, you just want it to be, i owned a Radeon 8500, the Catalyst 2.0, 2.1. 2.2, and 2.3 driver suck... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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          i didnt say they were 100% bug free, improving.. yea, did they improve overnight... no... it took a long ... : -=kodiak=-
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            I've used just about every nvidia card since the tnt2 (including the tnt2) and have used the ati rage128 ... : d3th
            • I haven't had any problems with the drivers I'm running at work, but I never play anything newer than cou : Cygnus X-1
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            1. I wouldn't drive a BMW, strictly trucks here. 2. I'm 30. 3. have no idea who linkin park is, but... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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              You sir, are fueled by ignorance. Or bitterness. Or both. We got your point the first post, thank you ver... : [7]kami
              • We? Who are you kidding...... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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              funny thing is i havent had a single goddamn problem since ive dropped my 9500 into this machine all m... : -=kodiak=-
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                I ask you again, did you ever try to run the NWN, NWN toolset, or play Icewind Dale 2 with it? How about ... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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                  Ok. I think we all know now your 8500 sucked with a set of RPG games. That is still hardly representative... : [7]kami
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                    There you go with that "we" agian.... : UTSD3DSUCKS
                    • Hehehe, you can refer to us as your royal highness. : [7]kami
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    Go read Firingsquad's review of the 3.1 drivers. : Freon
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      heh wasn't aware they have that many teleases yet or did they just suddenly jump? There were being met... : UTSD3DSUCKS
      • Just like people are having issues with the 4x.xx series of Geforce cards, there will always be a bug her... : 5150 Joker
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  ATI is really catching up to nvidia in drivers.. i wouldnt say on the same level just yet, but think it'l... : Steve Gibson
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    Actually i know a few people who would say Nvidia is the one that is behind.. The nv4_disp.dll BSOD is... : -TKF-
    • i would say ati has gotten better, and nvidia has gotten worse. : tomatoactivator
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      It was a huge problem for me too, I ended up trashing my GF3 and buying an 8500 because of it :( : redshift
      • I still get the nv4_disp thing, gf1 in xp : samhain78
• I have a tough time imagining any informed enthusiast/gamer buying an nvidia card over an ati card this y : johnny rotten
• ATI has come into their own wrt drivers over the last year. My office PC's have always had ati cards (ra... : johnny rotten
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  How many pissed off people have came ranting here about how battlefield or whatever the newest game is wo... : Pneum0
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    humm let's see,.... bf1942 and the 9700 series came out at pretty much the same time it had a problem ... : -=kodiak=-
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      Battlefield doesn't count. That game is buggy, period. : diehlr
      • Troll.. : dn__
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    Several, but the newest game is one thing, the next driver release being done timely and fixing it is acc... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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      He seems to play NWM fine on his ATI card. http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=6845843 : [7]kami
      • Ahh catalyst 3 must have fixed all the issues finally. : UTSD3DSUCKS
  • I was bitching and I had a Geforce 4 card....so that throws that out the window. : Scotty22
• The drivers are good. I owned a 9500 for a few weeks and by golly, I would definitely buy another ATI in ... : diehlr
• Well, whenever ATI releases a new core the drivers tend to be shit. 8500's drivers were shit, 9700's driv... : yakz
• Do not listen to anyone that says otherwise: ATI drivers are rock solid stable. I have switched to ATI la... : mofo
• Their drivers are stable (ATI's), but tech support is awful. Don't count on getting any problems solved i... : tuxxy
• Nvidia's drivers are good, but there are several processes going on in the background, including a dedica : indeego
• My experience with the drivers (P4@3Ghz, corsair RAM, ABIT mobo, SC/TB sound, 9500 modded to 9700) thus f... : mmogger
• ATI drivers still have problems but they are definitely improving. I have some friends with 9500/9700's a... : brewsterdog
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  All my recent cards prior to the Radeon 9700 pro were from nVidia/3dfx. My last card was a Leadtek Ti4600... : 5150 Joker
  • Also, their driver schedule is very impressive now as they've been putting out new revisions once a month... : 5150 Joker
• ATi drivers, while steadily improving, is still not to par with nVidia. Fan boy you say? Try ATi employ... : Fleabix
• One thing that annoys me is their linux drivers suck. That just doesn't go well, even if linux gamers are... : ovrlrd
• i have a old athlon w/ generic ram running xp, i've always had some instability with nvidia cards, some g... : jonc

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  i believe it is the mainstream card that will be using the .13 process. Not the highend 9800 or 9900. : Melonman0
  • I heard that, too, but it was all rumor and speculation. I *hope* the rumors were wrong and the high end... : cap0rale
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  Yea, all I heard was how hard it would be for ATI to move to .13 micron, and nVidia was smart for spendin... : aggressor
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    J00 might want to wait for the card to come to market and be found to not have major design flaws first. ... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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      I don't think there will be many, since right now other companies are also rolling out .13 micron chips. ... : aggressor
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        While thats sound thinking, ATI had some flaws in thier 9700, and had to recall the first and possibly se... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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          My plan is to just wait until Doom 3 comes out. By then all the issues with the new cards will probably ... : cap0rale
          • /agreed. : james t kirk
        • They didn't recall any chips. FYI, all they offered was a swap for people that might have had 8X issues w... : 5150 Joker
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  They botched that up slightly. ATI has 2 cards coming. The high end R350 card is still .15u. It'll be : johnny rotten
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    I've heard this before. Is this really confirmed or just speculation? I haven't seen any official word ... : cap0rale
    • All but confirmed. I believe you'll hear the hardware sites talking more next week. Thats when the NDA's... : johnny rotten
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      Dave Rolston, ATI's vice president of engineering, said at a Goldman Sachs technology conference here tha... : samhain78
      • I meant...is there any official word on whether the new chip is going to be .15 or .13 micron? : cap0rale
  • ^^ Highly Informative : marku5
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    All, that makes sense........Do you happen to have any kind of link to an official announcment? : UTSD3DSUCKS
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      you're best source is either www.rage3d.com (if you can stomach the rampant fanboism) or ww.beyond3d.com ... : johnny rotten
      • Yeah, I used to visit rage3d when i had a 8500, but you can get rid fo the fanboyism by handing in the dr... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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    hrmm perhaps the smaller process will mean less cooling is mandatory and they can still toss off mid-low-... : eskimo spy
    • I suspect a lot of the mid range RV350 cards will have only passive cooling. Or at worst a very small/lo... : johnny rotten
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    I highly doubt the R350 will pull more than 20% over 9700pro in real world applications (maybe in extreme... : Fleabix
    • I agree, probably not more than 20% and in extreme cases 40%. : 5150 Joker
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  Wasn't GF3 supposed to be the DOOM III CARD? : rorshack
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    The bare minimum... : SlamDunk
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      You mean 3 FPS : rorshack
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        The leak was horribly unoptimized. Expect way better performance in the final version. : cap0rale
        • Anyone who has tried it know whether or not it's a debug-build or a release-build (which compiler flags w... : Sebastian Sylvan
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      no, a geforce1 is a bare minimum. it supports all of the features used by the doom3 engine, but you sure... : Turd Ferguson
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        thats so pathetic that a GF1 supports all the features. I mean doom3 is cutting edge... but on the other... : ease_one
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          I dunno, this seems pretty intelligent design to me. They need to be able to, you know, sell the game. So... : avixe
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            To ward off the flames, I mean it "sucked" engine-wise. Whether or not you thought the game was great was : avixe
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              The Team Arena chaingun pwned. :( Too bad that game got totally dismissed. You can't even find games ... : cap0rale
              • Yep. The upshot is that when my friends replace their p3-450-era machines, we can finally play it on a la... : avixe
              • here here! terra1 ruled. miss it. : swampnutz
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        gf1 doesn't do pixel shading. will it even bump map? I know they have a separate renderer for the pre-... : jet-poop
        • it doesnt support shaders but most shaders can be mimicked (albeit much slower) with multiple rendering p... : johnny rotten
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          Yeah, I thought GF3 was minimum for all effects. : DinK
          • IIRC, the Geforce3 was the first card to offer programmable (as opposed to hardware) effects. : avixe
        • GF1 has NV register combiners which can do most of the stuff you need. So bump mapping and such can be do... : Sebastian Sylvan
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    The first one that could run it with all the features enabled, yeah. : cap0rale
    • at 30fps : Turd Ferguson
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    No that is the bare ninimum to run the game. : MarksmanX
    • The bare minimum is actually based on specs of the Geforce1 if I remember correctly. The GF3 is capable ... : gyvoji

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  Try playing DAoC during a relic raid doing over 30 fps consistantly. : peppermd
  • Or any fairly new game using aniso and FSAA for that matter. The GF4 takes a shit while the 9700 Pro sai... : Sapiens
  • impossible. rvr is so fun, but its soooooo laggy. : maulla
• Same here. Doom3 = new 3Ghz CPU and close to the fastest card available. : EvilDolemite
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  High res + AA + AF will crush your 4600. Of course if that kind of image quality doesnt concern you then... : johnny rotten
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    as good as a 9700 pro is, its not worth the leap over the gf4 class. : Turd Ferguson
    • if you already have a gf4, if you don't then it is. : Turd Ferguson
    • I used to only own Nvidia products, but always said that ATI's cards were visually superior. They just r... : djustifier
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      Generally I'd agree. Unless you're an eye candy freak or are running a 21" monitor. : johnny rotten
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        i have a 22" monitor and my ti4400 suits me just fine. about the only game i would like to run better is... : Turd Ferguson
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          Do you play your games in 1600x1200? : johnny rotten
          • nope, because few games have a scaleable HUD, i hate having a radar as big as a dime, and barely readable... : Turd Ferguson
  • He is right about this, though: If you already dropped $300 + on a Ti4600, there's really no reason to... : cap0rale
• Hello! You have nvidia's top of the line card. You aren't allowed to bitch about new cards not giving y... : DinK
• If AA/AF don't matter to you and you're content running most games at 1024x768 then there's no reason to ... : 5150 Joker
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  Dude there is nothing wrong to get the best card when Doom III comes out. That's what I am going to do! ... : MarksmanX
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    what if Doom III sucks? : sixfoot6
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      agreed. upgrading for a 10 hours max SP game? uh uh, no thnx! : beebeecee
      • Quake IV will utilize the Doom III engine if you're wondering :) : MarksmanX
    • That is highly unlikely. ID (and blizzard) isn't known for producing crappy game titles. I own all ID (... : MarksmanX
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      What if shitloads of games use D00M3 tech? O wait, they will, guess you have more to learn about the ind... : brewsterdog
      • Easy killah. That's not my point. *eventually* he's going to have to upgrade, of course... be it from D3 ... : sixfoot6
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      It doesn't matter, its engine will be liscensed out the ASS. : lord cecil
      • not to mention engines that will utilize similar features. : Turd Ferguson
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    Will Doom3 be using more than 128Mb of textures? : koder
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      Ofcourse! Doom III will take as much Video/system RAM allowed. The more onboard RAM the videocard has, : MarksmanX
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        No it isn't true that the more video ram you have the faster the game will run. It depends whether all th... : koder
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          I highly doubt Doom III will take 50MB of texture memory. It will be much more :) I thought the programs... : MarksmanX
          • AGP is slow compared to the videoram which is why they try to keep within video memory limits with the te... : koder
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            Right. SOF2 in Picmip 0 uses over 128mb in some SP maps. : Cygnus X-1
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              But is Picmip 0 the default setting? How much video ram does the default setting use? : koder
              • Default setting is designed for anyhardware range. But with all the bells and whistles you need more Vide... : MarksmanX
          • oh what are you talking about?? Get a clue on how graphics programming works before you say stuff like t... : moshman
    • absolutely also remember that for every surface there are FIVE layers, so thats five textures per surf... : Turd Ferguson
• I can understand that sentiment. I for one will be getting one of these babies for programming graphics. : Sebastian Sylvan