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• DUM DA DA DA! GEORGE TO THE RESCUE!!!! : pigvomit
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  I had this discussion with the shack the other night (mostly Vantage), and the fact of the matter is that... : lazarusb
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    "technically" don't mean shit. When it comes down to a fight between The Law and Dictionary.Com The Law ... : RatBastard
    • i heard Dictionary.com had some kickass lawyers. ;) : pigvomit
    • Vantage and Dictionary.com are quoting the law. Technically = legalese dude. That was the point. : lazarusb
  • Theft is depriving the original owner of use. So, you are correct. : PantherX
• the reason more games are going console is it is cheapier for the user : sleepyvt
• sad, yet true :( : strider_
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  If a game is good it will be bought. : dra.
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    Good thing you get to make up the rules like that. Nice. : GeorgeB3DR
    • I think(I hope anyways) he's saying bad games won't even be played : AllYourBase
    • how often do you get swamp-ass? : pyide
    • I can accept paying +50$ for a good game, but not 30$ for a DVD, this have two reasons: A-games have sma... : BigT
    • I think its a fair rule if he has the will to stick to it : xenoeye
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  I think people are just generally really shortsighted. : patridiot
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    That's a horrible gross and unfair generalization. I expect either: A) better trolling or B) bette... : lazarusb
    • I wish it was. : patridiot
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      too bad he's right! : vodor
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        Yeah, blanket statements that are tangent to the topic are always win. It'd be fine it he drew some para... : lazarusb
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          I said generally. : patridiot
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            I said blanket statement tangent to the topic. : lazarusb
            • A blanket statement would be "All people are really shortsighted." As for it being tangent to the topic,... : patridiot
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  Gaah! Why can't we just say NOT STEALING STILL WRONG and drop it? : Solar Jetman
  • BECAUSE IT IS STEALING : vodor
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  My name is James, and I'm a thieving bastard. I've stolen money from a former employer, my roommates, gam... : PhoenixArisen
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    "Survival of the fittest" refers to one's ability to reproduce. It has nothing with one's ability to thr... : EvilDolemite
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      why shouldn't it also cover that? : Malk
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        it doesn't. Darwin never intended his theory of natural selection to apply to anything but biology. He ha... : slax0r
        • Thank you, my man. You're exactly right. : EvilDolemite
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          true in the strictest sense, but that is not to say it is actually CORRECT : Malk
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            I don't see how warez helps you reproduce in anyway. survival != good lifestyle. Those are two entirely d... : slax0r
            • true but i was wasn't arguing for or against warez, merely a point about goods and services, which i do b... : Malk
    • I beg to differ. "Fittest" has changed definitions over the years. It once just meant whichever cave man ... : PhoenixArisen
    • yeah and if it was survival of the fittest, what have you done in your life to keep yourself protected? o... : pigvomit
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    What you don't realize is that's not how you win. Nothing I can say here will change your mind on that b... : patridiot
    • What am I winning? Is life just some big game show? What's the consolation prize, Life The Home Game? : PhoenixArisen
  • I'll be sure to send the police this post when some crazy bastard with a gun decides to kill you because ... : RatBastard
  • Playing by a different set of rules doesn't make you fit. It makes you a parasite. : DinK
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  And you guys wonder why games are getting shorter, and multiplayer is getting dropped, and dev's are movi : fvick
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    You'd know better than me, though right? Even though I know and talk to like 500 developers. KTHXBYE! : GeorgeB3DR
    • Jesus Geroge! It's like 3AM here do you even SLEEP? ;) I have to get up in 4 hours. But I can't sleep :( : MarksmanX
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      Yeh yeh, we all belive your some important invidual. I don't think talking to yourself counts as "500 DEV : fvick
      • actually most of us do. That's George Broussard from 3D Realms, the dev house making Duke Nukem Forever. ... : jidar
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        invidual = individual, OWEND by spelling : fvick
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          And GeorgeB3DR is George Broussard. A software developer. You = owned by ignorance (or hubris). : RatBastard
          • hahahaha thats funny : pigvomit
      • What rock have you been living under? : Sexpansion Pack
      • Wow, you've really made yourself look like a meat-fluke. I bet you don't even know who George Broussard ... : dForm
  • Yeah it's harder to pirate game on console if you know nothing about moding. It's much easier to pirate o... : MarksmanX
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  I'm going to anyway. Everyone here always goes off about the laws and the law says this and the law sa... : Morgin
  • LEGALLY, yes. ETHICALLY, depends on the person. : fvick
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    So it's ok since you can't get caught. Cool. Sleep in the bed you guys make. And you guys (being the l... : GeorgeB3DR
    • My bed came from the store. It's nice. I think I'm gonna go visit it for about 8 hours or so. : PantherX
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      Dude I understand since you are a developer you prolly get more pissed about this than the average guy, b... : Morgin
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        To add to that, I agree with why the law is setup like it is and why software piracy and such is classifi... : Morgin
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          We've had this discussion so many times. Almost everyone agrees Piracy is "morally" wrong. Many do ... : lazarusb
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            Even GeorgeB seems to not agree with us :( : Morgin
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              Regardles, it's breaking the law. Too bac it's unenforcable. : GeorgeB3DR
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                "Those of you saying piracy isn't theft and is "copyright infringement" need to grow up." We are merel... : Morgin
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                  I agree. Said as much a few weeks ago, and got tore up for it. : lazarusb
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                    well, vantage and I agreed but everyone here likes to make up laws to fit their own ideals. : Morgin
                    • Well, I said basically what you said. The laws will catch up eventually, but right now things are as goo... : lazarusb
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    Yes legally it is theft here in Michigan. : MarksmanX
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      Is that the case? I know where I live at least people get charged with violation of some copyright act...... : Morgin
      • I guess Candian laws are different than American laws. : MarksmanX
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  I would really like to know what your view is on products shipped with defects? : -TKF-
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    You can't ship bug free software today. Almost impossible. Each company is responsible to patch and do ... : GeorgeB3DR
    • when Renegade was first released it was two days until i found a workaround for a bug i encountered, a H... : Turd Ferguson
• George! SAY IT ISNT SO!! DNF WILL STILL HAVE MULTIPLAYER RIGHT!?!?! RIGHT!??!? : pigvomit
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  hrmm, I'm not touching this topic with sexninja's dick. but most dev's we read about drive high priced... : slaptits
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    am i correct to assume that with this post you are saying its ok to warez games because the devs are driv... : emocore
    • no, I never said anything like that at all. If you re-read my post I just stated they must be well off. : slaptits
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    "They make money, so it's ok"...I love it. Maybe if we made more, we could pay people better, ot give ou... : GeorgeB3DR
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      Right, because Hollywood makes better movies because of those things. =) I wish you all the best in the ... : lazarusb
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        NO DNF FOR YOU! : pigvomit
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          That implies I was planning on buying DNF in the event it ever comes out. Ha! : lazarusb
          • OH SNAP!!! : gegtik
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      George, the truth is the truth. If the games are good, "most" people will buy them. Sure some won't and t... : Phreakin
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        People pretty much only buy multiplayer games, after they pirate them, because there is more incentive. : GeorgeB3DR
        • OMG! GEORGES! FLT.DNF1a! FLT.DNF1b! :D its true! : beebeecee
        • a single player game would have to be something really special for me to buy it. I only find real value i... : electric_monk
        • The Sims had multiplayer? : ghale
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        There's a lot of games that are "good" and still dont' end up making much money. Therefore, "most" peopl... : Sexpansion Pack
        • I never played or warezed either of them. I heard they were good it just never interested me. So maybe th... : crewmaac
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          No, it's because 90% of the general public thought they sucked. : Phreakin
          • That is so not true. : Sexpansion Pack
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        that still doesn't make it ok for a person to warez the game. basically the original post is saying "S... : emocore
        • I'm not saying warez'ing is right or wrong. My beef is here And you guys wonder why games are getting : dra.
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        Ok, this is not meant as a jab George but please answer me this. I'm not a DNF follower so forgive me. If... : Phreakin
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          What a crock of shit. Wait for reviews, or your friends, or a demo, or whatever. Don't try to rationali... : GeorgeB3DR
          • the shack is famous for hyping games that are average at best and making it seem like your life will end ... : lacker
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            It's a crock of shit that games are rushed out before they're ready? I'll bet ALOT of people here would d... : Phreakin
            • OH SNAP!!!]b : gegtik
            • that is hardly the developers fault! Think plz. : moshman
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            hehe i hate to start this for the 80th time tonight BUT if he was to go down to EB and take one of their : Morgin
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              What law are you talking about? Is this what the Candian law is? The American Law is you're actually ste... : MarksmanX
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                From the cases I've read people have been charged with violation of either the DMCA or various other copy... : Morgin
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                  Howold was this case? The laws have changed in the past few years once the internet has matured. : MarksmanX
                  • If i can find the two i remember, I'll tell you. One woulda been about 2 years old, it was the raid on a ... : Morgin
  • they also work much harder, are much more intelligent and have probably studied a hell of a lot longer th... : moshman
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    Yes lets judge them by what property they own and what they drive. That's one means of determining how g... : MarksmanX
    • 5 years? piracy is so bad, its gonna take 3drealms alot longer then that to finish their game... : Original G
  • devs dont all drive nice cars, maybe the famous ones. but there are devs whos just do the grunt work and... : ease_one
• what about mp3s? : mr brown
• The sad state of demos today doesn't help anyone's case. =/ : Malk
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  release a killer demo and i will buy the game. KKTHXBYE : filthysock
  • proof: jk2 demo : electric_monk
• George George George George. You got sucked in! I thought you knew better? ;) : johnny rotten
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  multiplayer games fight piracy using verification servers : junkstyle
  • and do one hell of a job : snuff
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  Based on this post, we may safely conclude that DNF will be a short, single-player only console game ;-) : Daochi
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    Based on these response, it should be, yeah :) : GeorgeB3DR
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      Might as well start porting it over now. We've waited what... 7 years... what's another 10 more? : PhoenixArisen
      • OH SNAP!!!]b : gegtik
    • but but but but... the shack represents a small fraction of the gamer community! : Malk
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      Okay, I'm down for the funnies too, but this isn't informative, its actually more annoying than anything. : dra.
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        I think it's pretty informative. GeorgeB, an important developer, feels consoles are a better market. : Sexpansion Pack
        • and confirms that it will be a console only game! : AllYourBase
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          Because we all know you can't pirate a console game. *rolls eyes* : PhoenixArisen
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            We also all know that it's much harder and that it happens far, far less than it does with PC games. : Sexpansion Pack
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              it was much harder when consoles used cartridges, but when the playstation came out using a standard cd f... : slax0r
              • Yeah but it's much harder to do then for the pc, pc game you download and play it, for a playstation 2 g... : judge
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            Night and day to pc games and you know it. I bet not 10 people on the shack have pirated console games. : GeorgeB3DR
            • heh... you don't know this demograpic too well then. : PhoenixArisen
            • http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=6631306 : pigvomit
            • you will lose that bet quickly. the dreamcast was a pirate's dream come true. same with ps1. : lacker
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              You so lose that bet. Remember the Dreamcast? : lazarusb
              • and PS : AllYourBase
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                Here we go again blaming piracy as the cause of that systems death...sure sure... : ghost in my shell
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                  I said no such thing, but thanks for the baseless assumption! It was merely a system on which pirating g... : lazarusb
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                    No problem I like making you look intelligent sometimes. : ghost in my shell
                    • It's a dirty job, huh? Thanks bro! : lazarusb
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                Dreamcast and ps1 were anamolies when it comes to warezing console software. I really doubt you'll see a... : Sexpansion Pack
                • I hope I never see that again. That's not the point. : lazarusb
            • http://www.shacknews.com/jazz/search.x?query=modchip : -TKF-
          • it's much easier for a regular joe to warez a pc game than a console game : emocore
      • umm.. and the other responses in this thread aren't just as annoying, or more so? : pullmyfinger
    • What the hell, it's an arguement on whether software piracy is semantically theft - not whether it's okay... : cheshirecat
    • well, don't listen to the idiot children of the internet please. Most of these kids never even worked a 9... : moshman
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    I guess that explains those PS1 Duke Nukem games..... : pigvomit
    • OH SNAP!!! ]b : gegtik
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  It's their fault. Computer games should not be so damn expensive. : excessus
  • lol, then don't buy them : AllYourBase
  • they wouldnt sell them at that price if people didnt buy them. : mista mista
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    Then don't play computer games :) Don't like the price don't buy it. Hell I would love to own a Diablo.... : MarksmanX
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      but diablo/d2 is so much fun... : slax0r
      • I can't drive a pc game : MarksmanX
  • Perhaps if you were employed and saved up enough money. : dForm
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    Even if games were $20 people would still steal them, because they can. : GeorgeB3DR
    • 20 bucks would be better for me. My console gaming has been eatin de greens out of my wallet :P : crewmaac
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      This is the most accurrate thing I think you've said tonight. It's a crime of convience. I know people ... : lazarusb
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        Xp style net connection required for sp games? : GeorgeB3DR
        • If I were a dev, that's what I'd work towards. Even that isn't perfect, but it's a step up. That or Ste... : lazarusb
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        guilty as charged. i d/l snoop dpoggs doggystyle because i didnt want to leave the bedroom and look for t... : lacker
        • Basically, yeah. But it's the frame of mind I'm talking about that's the problem. : lazarusb
    • I didn't steal and it didn't even cross my mind to steal Serious Sam 1 and 2 as I walked into the store a... : sludge vohaul
• "Don't bother responding or rationalizing, or trying to "convince" me. I've said my piece." How iron... : Jackass1233
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  Can someone send me a link to how people rationalize that piracy isn't stealing? I mean i guess I can see... : tomatoactivator
  • this is why i say its 'stealing': george and 3dr creates a game, their intent is to sell it and get re... : SPAZER
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  Hey George have you ever "stolen" music or "stolen" a game? : crewmaac
  • Since the advent of CD copiers. I have seen nothing but CD rips of every CD at parties I have attended. ... : MarksmanX
  • I think pretty much everyone has, at one point or another. : GeorgeB3DR
  • this isnt even relevant. he's just telling people to stop being all politically correct and call it what ... : Morgin
• Fuck it, I steal games, because I can, if i like it i buy it. If its meh ill delete it. My Hdd space is m... : supaslasha
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  What the hell is going on here? all that he said in the original post was that IF you do warez your games... : moz
  • teh moz has spoken. : lacker
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    how well did jk2 sell? It had no mp copy protection. : crewmaac
    • Actually most thought it did have, it's taken for granted now that all online games have keychecks. : -TKF-
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      Hang on...292,000 in the us/pc. Probably abour break even. : GeorgeB3DR
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        At $40 a pop, that's $11.7 million. Would that really be "break even" for a studio like Raven? : Magitek
        • nope. lots of middlemen and others getting paid. : Morgin
        • It's differnet since Activision owns them. But most games cost about 3 million to make. And a dev gets ... : GeorgeB3DR
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      i bought it before i thought of any of that. : electric_monk
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        I bought it the day it came out. Hell I buy all my games. The only time I would even THINK about ware... : tomservo
        • i can rent games now. : electric_monk
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      well, I bought that and am pissed off that I did. I sucks, waste of money IMO : moshman
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        you never played the ladder maps did you? those ALONE made my $50 worth it. fucking fun as hell. th... : tomservo
        • hell, I wish more BETTER ladder maps would come out there's only two decent ones, and the levels arent a... : tomservo
        • I did, but I still prefer Q3 MP. I dunno, it just wasnt meant for me that game. : moshman
  • i keep reading this 'cause i like it. fills me with much mozziness. : pyide
  • hi moz. I want to buy good games, it makes me enjoy the game more. : dra.
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  It's not a complicated equation. The more money developers make the more they can expend on development ... : patridiot
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    daikatana. : lacker
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      Yeah, there are exceptions. I just said it was more likely. : patridiot
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        or they might just spend the money on two hookers at a time instead of one. : lacker
        • thats what i would do. : emocore
    • ^ So totally owned, I must say ^ : NukeDukem
    • OH SNAP!!!]b : gegtik
    • Fuck that Daikatana... We're still at the golden age of gaming. Better managing techniques, better tools ... : melt_core
    • That's like comparing someone to Hitler in an argument, you lose. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    Thats not true at all. More money != More money towards games. It means More money towards makin... : dra.
    • So if a game development company does not make development money from sales, where does it come from? : patridiot
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  My point is whether or not warezing is right. Its the idea that warezing has pushed the industry to w... : dra.
  • I'm just begging to get pwned. : dra.
  • I believe that the PC gaming industry is only starting to take off. I believe (and hope) that the major r... : tomatoactivator
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  Trust me on this guys. Most developers I know (that aren't major pc developers) are moving to consoles b... : GeorgeB3DR
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    I'm sure many people will reply with attempted witty comments about how so many games suck these days and... : Morgin
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      ^^^ so true. Will be sad to see more and more games head to consoles first, with PC "ports" second. : GeorgeB3DR
      • The day that happens, I'm buying shares in Burger King. : Morgin
      • It will happen because Microsoft buys devs and forces them on their black box. With shoddy pc ports years : dra.
      • if it ends up being true, then the warezers terrorists have already won. might as well send a memo to t... : pyide
    • My cats breath smells like cat food. : dra.
  • i believe you george. i came into pc gaming late and grew up with consoles so i'm not sure if this trend ... : lacker
  • A sad truth. :( : Vantage
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    Im sure piracy has a little to do with it. but those gullible/capitive Console gamers are a ripe target. : supaslasha
    • please. there are just as many of these types of people who use pcs ... : emocore
  • Is there any indication if this Palladium thingy will help? I don't wonna play PC games on a 733 Celly... : -TKF-
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    yes but there's also another perpective that lays in that statement, and that is very few actually have t... : BigT
    • and BTW I own an xbox and meeohmy what crap titles they have on that platform, I only found like an handf... : BigT
  • you think that there is no piracy in consoles ??? ITS CALLED EMULATORS & ROMS !!! if PC games start to... : Cpt. Baseballbat
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  Dude, there's rampant piracy on consoles too. Wake up and smell the reality coffee. : 5150 Joker
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    Not even remotely as bad. Not even in the same ballpark, or in the same league, or on the same planet. ... : GeorgeB3DR
    • you ever given another man a foot massage (sorry that's what popped into myhead) : lacker
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      If i can find the two i remember, I'll tell you. One woulda been about 2 years old, it was the raid on a ... : Morgin
      • massive wrong reply'd : Morgin
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      i'd tell ya where to look for em but i'd get banned you could name a game and i'll give ya a place to do... : locobastard
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        And Sony changed the PS2, it won't accept DVD-R's in the newest edition.. : -TKF-
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          Until a mod chip bypasses that lockout of course. : 5150 Joker
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            If ppl had to keep up woth mod chips for pc piracy it would be cut way way WAY down. The amount of pirac... : GeorgeB3DR
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              Well, is it impossible to better protect your games? Maybe don't let the game even play singleplayer unle... : 5150 Joker
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                holy insight batman! I'm sure devs haven't thought of that years ago! : rainbowsheep
                • No shit, I'm trying to hammer in the obvious if you hadn't noticed. If they can do it for MP then why not... : 5150 Joker
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                where is the protection for consumers though? Im assuming you only mean pc games and not console games th... : ease_one
                • Yeah I'm talking about PC games. : 5150 Joker
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                  What happens when you go watch a movie that gets good reviews and you think it sucks? Do you whine about... : rainbowsheep
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                    or, do you just sneak into all movies so that you'll never have to pay for a movie that you didn't like? : rainbowsheep
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                      actually I just don't go to a lot of movies because I know most of them are crap : ease_one
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                        So do you sneak into the ones that you do go to? And how do you know that they are crap if you haven' : rainbowsheep
                        • No, I don't sneak into movies, It would be too much trouble, and If I wanted to it would be likly that th... : ease_one
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                    not the same. you are not out $55. : lacker
                    • yeah it is. you are out 10 bucks instead though. its the same damn thing, an entertainment form. In on... : Morgin
                    • it's the same principle. : rainbowsheep
                  • I whine whenever I feel like it. But movies are a lot cheaper : ease_one
            • Well there's not much effort put into ordering a mod chip these days. It's really as simple as clicking o... : 5150 Joker
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      Ever been to Asia? north american piracy pales in comparison to that : slackor
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        very different laws. : moshman
        • I don't know one Asian country where it is legal : slackor
    • I wish I had numbers to back up my claim but I wouldn't be the *least* bit surprised if quantitatively co... : 5150 Joker
  • I smell Vice City.. i smell 10 Million sold copies before the game is dead.. Even if 20 million copied... : -TKF-
  • \/ you can go into certain places which i wont talk about and find many a console iso's and bin files.. ... : locobastard
  • yes, piracy does occur on consoles. this is true. it still isn't as bad as pc piracy though. : emocore
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    I personally have seen little to no piracy for the latest generation of consoles. : tension
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      you havent looked very hard then... i'm really biting my lip not to post where to find the stuff just to... : locobastard
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        I know where they exist as well, but I don't know too many people that are willing to dish out the money ... : tension
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          its called who ya know... say i have room mate is friends with a best buy techie... the best buy techie... : locobastard
          • It just seems unlikely or hard to come across someone like that is all I'm saying. : tension
    • are you living under a rock? heh : Lucky 7
• Can we go back to talking about Shuttles and goatse and stuff? : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  SQUANTO! : fat mike
  • http://widholm.freeservers.com/SiberianTreasures/images/squanto.jpg : Vis Inack
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  dumbest post ever i'm man anough to admit that i violate some copyright yes and if i get busted for that ... : Lucky 7
  • you just told a developer of many fine quality games which were part of the reason this site exists to no... : Morgin
  • WHERE IS THE FUCKING PUNCTUATION? JESUS! CHRIST. : dyinggaul
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  How would you know "games are getting shorter, and multiplayer is getting dropped, and dev's are moving t... : burrito
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    um, you don't have to be a dev to spot this trend. : slax0r
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      yea no shit i was hoping unreal 2 would be like twice as long as it was hell it had one helluva a chace... : locobastard
      • too bad they didnt make it twice as long as unreal 1, by the time you finished it DNF woulda been release... : Nighteyes
  • ^^^ Incredible logic. : GeorgeB3DR
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    Even Blizzard is testing console waters, and they've made tons of cash off PC gamers. : tension
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      blizzard used to make nes games. : crewmaac
      • See they're going back to their roots. : tension
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  Hey George, how many of your employees are thieves? How many of your artist have pirated versions of pho... : ease_one
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    good point many a artist uses illegally obtained software to get some form of work done but usually if ... : locobastard
    • yeah but they don't make money off it. they just use it to build their profolio and learn. But its stil... : ease_one
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  Blaming low quality games on piracy is shitty cop out, and honestly, it offends me. If it costs too much... : FlyingButtPliers
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    I agree. I also never mentioned low quality once. : GeorgeB3DR
    • I just assumed that dropping features and content from a game due to money constraints led to a lower qua... : FlyingButtPliers
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  If a game comes out without a demo and its not a AAA game or from AAA developers. I will warez it plain a... : Blackdawgg
  • on a side note if the game truely does prove to be a great game I will buy it ASAP. Because you cant patc... : Blackdawgg
  • say it with me now http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=6632746 : locobastard
• heh, I posted something about p2p networks like that on another board. Im not going to pretend I dont ... : xenoeye
• George has made me feel so guilty...I'm gonna go purchase a whole bunch of games. : Baragon
• So in your opinion, is the more important solution stoping piracy (though verified internet checks multip... : Cpt. Baseballbat
• You are correct without a doubt.. The only reason people "steal" software is that they know they can get... : dn__
• Speaks truth. : freqq28
• I remember long ago, I used to pirate ALOT that was because I had NO $ but still wanted the fun. Today I ... : Rageaholic
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  Don't bother responding or rationalizing, or trying to "convince" me. I've said my piece. It makes me... : bipolar
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    i know a lot of ppl that use this rationalization but still keep the products on their drives at times, o... : cygnus
    • Obviously you've never paid $50 for Star Wars: Rebellion because the previews made it look like an amazin... : bipolar

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  By that rationale it's ok to steal a ferrari, if you weren't planning on buying one anyways. : skynet
  • no because in that case there's an easily traceable loss of money from the time/resources/material spent ... : halfway
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    no, but what if i copy a ferrari? : electric_monk
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      Then can you copy me one too? :) : skynet
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        which btw is completely legal :) : halfway
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          I'll take 5. : skynet
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            hmm no ferrari's on ebay, here's a 56 porche though http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi... : halfway
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              *prints 5 copies* TADA! : electric_monk
              • Sells photos on Ebay posing as real thing. : skynet
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    No, by that rationale its okay to copy a ferrari. : vigilante
    • something that is copyable vs. something that is not. now THERE is a good argument. : skynet
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    no!!!! no its not!! That's the whole point of my post. Even though you weren't going to buy it anyway, ... : Dingbat
    • Yeah, I understand what you are saying. But you could apply that to any crime. Which effectively brings i... : skynet
• thats why pirates shouldn't share.. or something : electric_monk
• that was ment to be a reply to #4362... meh : Dingbat
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  I'm just waiting for someone to refute my points here: http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=6633094 Or in t... : bipolar
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    Okay, so you start using warez to evaluate games. Fine. You have the will power to buy a game when you' : Dingbat
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      You can't hold anyone responsible for what their actions "might" influence another to do. That reasoning... : bipolar
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        bipolar, very good point there... yeah, and ignore that second paragraph, its a good idea (the ignoring, : Dingbat
        • I would tend to disagree that people don't realize piracy is wrong -- assuming for the moment that by pir... : bipolar
• So can we just tell everyone we buy our games and continue pirating? : dinozaur
• I agree with this post. : *metal*
• the snowball effect is that it is copied by many people who wouldn't have bought it anyway. some people c... : BadRespawn
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  In the end it all comes down to morals. Some have some, others dont. End of story. : Silent Wolf
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    Morals are subjective too. Because they are human creations. : skynet
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      Hence why I have standards and expectations. They are much easier to revise. : Fyunch Click
      • You immoral bastard. : skynet
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      Good and evil are not human creations, therefore neither are morals. Food for thought. : Merconium
      • Pukes. : vigilante
      • Morals are the grey line between good and evil, and are thus, open to interpretation. I do believe in goo... : skynet
  • Silent Wolf, yep that really is what it comes down to in the end. I'd just like to think that people don... : Dingbat
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  Here's my counter to that argument. A lot of people see / experience copywritten software such as playing... : diehlr
  • But what if said w4r3zer hadn't warezed the game and had bought it instead. Then you'd have two sales. ... : Dingbat
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  Photoshop is arguably the best image editor, but it costs too much money for most people so they say it's... : nudel
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    Another thing about pirating photoshop because you can't afford it, is that you ruin the market for those... : Dingbat
    • Exactly! (I tried to make that point as part of my message but you put it a lot clearer than I did.) : nudel
• I figure, if you have a job, you can save up for a music cd/game/DVD eventually, so you should buy the ga... : Kiriakos
• Oh and as far as Bargin Bin games. Good luck getting a decent game relatively cheap. Unless you go with... : Kiriakos

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  UT2003 BF 1942 Age of Mythology Warcraft 3 (havent installed it) many many console games too : lacker
  • Warcraft 3 was great... one of the few games I played all the way through. I usually get bored quick. : dra.
  • oh yeah soldier of fortune 2. : lacker
  • I'm totally with you on the warcraft 3 thing. Bought it the first day it came out, haven't givin it a loo... : tension
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  i only play RocketArena III and yes the Q3 cd is an original : sikander
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    damn you, pyide, and few others, and I have posted various times about an ra3 game on ashkies, but i neve... : dra.
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      haven't been here much lately :( this is where i play : [AGSN] - RA3 - 206.75.217.202:27960 : sikander
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        meh, can't you guys play on a european server i ping under 20 to? :) : moshman
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          we need a barge of servers in the middle of the atlantic. : pyide
          • hehe, that be kinda sweet :) : moshman
  • omg you = me! : moshman
• hmmm lets see.. bf1942.... and..... quake 3 arena linux tin box version... and... uhm yea.. i think ... : locobastard
• SimGolf Heroes of Might & Magic IV Deus Ex Empire Earth : pullmyfinger
• 2002: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Baulder's Gate: Dark Alliance Devil May Cry Lunar: Silver Star St : slax0r
• bf1942 nfs hp2 ut2003 gta3 sof2 i cant remember back that far so i might be missing some : \ : SPAZER
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  bf1942 : scion
  • GOOD JOB SOLDIER : junkstyle
• Gamecube Super Smash Bros Resident Evil Super Monkey Ball PSO Metroid Prime PC BF1942 Jedi Kni : ghost in my shell
• medal of honor, RTCW, Soldier of fortune 2, CFS2, Mechwarrior 4, Gta3, THPS2, Bf1942. : supaslasha
• SimGolf BF1942 Quake3(3rd copy I've bought) Operation Flashpoint Unreal Tournament(GOTY Edition) Sim... : AllYourBase
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  hmm, too many to name, but i'll bet i bought 50+ this year. : emocore
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    ALL PC>?!?>!? holy shit : AllYourBase
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      console/pc. i have them all :) : emocore
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        and how many of those do you actually play on a regular basis? : TPSReport
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          well obviously, with the amount of games i own, i cant play them all regularly. however, gaming is m... : emocore
          • I buy far too many games, more than I have time/inclination to play, so I invariably end up with games si... : mactu
• Baldur's Gate/Tales of the Sword Coast set Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Baal expansion Civilization III ... : declspec
• XBOX (LOL[erskates] IT'S HUGE!!!). Halo (came with the xbox, but it still counts!) WC3. that's it. ... : seven
• SOF2 BF1942 WAR3 Planescape: Torment CIV3 and that about it for pc games... ps2 would be > 10 titl... : MrLobo
• PC: GTA: 3 Morrowind Moonbase Commander UT 2003 Warcraft 3 Neverwinter Nights Jedi Knight II ... : Zeeliv
• PC - Warcraft 3, UT2K3 XBOX - Rallisport Challenge, Splinter Cell : FlyingButtPliers
• I'd hate to see the yearly list between Gabe and Tycho. The impression that I get is that they buy 2 game... : slax0r
• I tossed a bunch of boxes yesterday (moving) worth mentioning Flight Sim for the C64, 20 Cassettes of ... : -TKF-
• SOF2, RTCW, WC3, BF1942, MORROWIND, NWN, various Xbox games (about 7) and various bargain bin stuff (abou... : hirez
• NOLF2. Morrowind, MOH, BF1942, UT2k3. Every major shooter. I buy all the shooters. : Cygnus X-1
• the only game i bought last year was dnf, i bought it off an impulse by from hearing dognose's praises of... : esmokah
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  UT2003 NOLF2 BF1942 MOH Madden2002-xbox THPS3-xbox Halo-xbox MGS2 Substance-xbox MGS2 used-ps2 ... : ease_one
  • probabaly about 400 total on games : ease_one
• Dungeon Siege - Miserable game, but I paid for it anyway. Baldur's Gate 2 and Throne of Bhaal - More tha... : Finestaut
• PC: SOF2, GTA3 PC, UT2003, BF1942, and GBA games. : mofo
• DNF : BigT
• Diablo2, Diablo2 Expansion, Warcraft3, System Shock2, GBA, several GBA games. Needless to say I totally m... : tension
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  Jedi Knight 2 Half Life... AGAIN Neverwinter Nights BattleField 1942 Total Annihilation (bargin bins ... : smackdaddy
  • you could spend $60 on Total Annihilation and it would be more than worth it. : Finestaut
• pc games: morrowind, sim golf, bf1942, i did buy dungeon siege, but it sucked so fucking bad i sold it to... : -=kodiak=-
• Jedi Knight 2 Hitman 2 BF1942 GTA3 Simcity4 : Hello Kitty
• PC: Morrowind, Jedi Knight 2. Xbox: Halo, DOA3, Rallisport Challenge, Splinter Cell. : nomaad
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  UT2003, Age of Mythology, Undying, Madden 2003, Rallisport Challenge, Mig Alley + Apache Vs. Havoc, Civil... : jasonepowell
  • Incidentally, the best 3 games on there are Undying, Age of Mythology and Baseball Mogul. Worst mistak... : jasonepowell
• mohaa ut2k3 grand theft auto 3 system shock 2 (budget) sim golf (budget) command and conquer renegad... : paganritual
• : patdoody
• JK2 Dungeon Seige Morrowind Medieval: Total War GTA3 WC3 : Phearsome
• PC: Hegemonia.* Warcraft III Special Duper Super Editian.* UT2003* Battlefield 1942* Starlancer Ano... : Pink0r
• BF 1942 UT 2003 Cossacks 2nd and 3rd addon Longest Journey Syberia Diablo 2 and expansion...again H... : crash3087
• Dungeon Seige Neverwinter Nights Serious Sam 2 (2 copies, one for wife) Unreal 2003 (2 copies, one ... : freqq28
• i don't play many games so the list is short : bg (ebay) bg : Tales of the sword coast (ebay) bg 2 (e... : draed
• SoF2 (fuck you Raven), Deus Ex (THANK YOU WARREN!), UT2K3 (fuck you DE). : the archvile
• Tribes2 MaxPayne BF1942 Warcraft3 JK2 : Merconium
• Only had a PC the last month of the year, and I bought: Neverwinter Nights Age of Mythology Civ III C... : bipolar
• grim fandango, nocturne, max payne, shogo...maybe a few others : synaptic revolt
• PC == GTA 3 BF 1942 NOLF 2 Mafia Civilization 3 Medal Of Honor Jedi Knight II Empire Earth Warc... : ThomW
• I lost count. I bought fuckung tons of games. I need help. : Lawgiver
• PC: Neverwinter Nights, Dungeon Siege, Diablo2 Expansion, GTA3, Age of Mythology, Medieval: Total War, SO... : Fyunch Click
• I bought so many games and got alot of games this year Renegade JKII SOF2 GTA3 HFS:Hp2 BF1942 Ut... : stgdz
• I bought Morrowind but then I return it. So I guess none, but I still support the industry with my hits ... : arizona bay
• NWN and Civ3. The last game before that was the D2 expansion when it first came out. Yes I do think a... : GoofyBoy
• OMG MY COLLECTION IS HUGE LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! /sighs cause he has no life. : Normality
• PC: WC3, SOFII, NWN, UT, DAOC Gamecube: metroid prime, SSBM, MK:DA, Bond : josecuervo
• SimGolf Arx Fatalis GTA III Arcanum Dungeon Keeper 2 (way behind on that one) Neverwinter Nights (an... : Dante
• Dungeon Seige NWN SoF2 BF1942 Age of Mythology : Old_Fart
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  Jedi Knight II Return to Castle Wolfenstein Serious Sam: The Second Encounter Metroid Fusion Battlef... : Dingbat
  • ooh, forgot Advance Wars, Tony Hawk 2, and Sonic Advance : Dingbat
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  Neverwinter Nights (mistake) BF1942 ICO Metroid Prime Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance Zelda: GBA ... : geedeck
  • I'll buy NWN from you if you don't want it. : project13
• PC: NWN, War3, Morrowind, GTA3 all of which I still play regularally. GC: MK:DA, Eternal Darkness. ... : d3tached
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  More than I thought, actually: (PC) NeverwinterNights UT2k3 SoF 2 (Hated it except for multi) Mor... : project13
  • Haha, how could I forgot Metroid! : project13
• Final Fantasy VII Final Fantasy VIII Haha, aren't I hardcore. : stilettopimps
• What did I buy in 2002? Not a whole hell of a lot. Res for Dreamcast. I think Fire Pro Wrestling D... : Kiriakos

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  klerck : fluke
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    Probably true, after his BREAKTHROUGH hits like "Change the Name of The Two Towers" and "DANCE.SWF", he's... : snuff
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      ugh dance.swf that made me cry first from laughter then from knowing klerck owned me. : fluke
      • i just think it's amazing that when we're all old men and the name "klerck" is EVER mentioned, we'll know... : uberp00
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      dance.swf? : cigam
      • :| :/ :( >:) my response when seeing your post... : davislovestacobell
      • DO NOT FUCKING ASK!!!! : pigvomit
      • heh. you are lucky :) : mattsull85
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        http://downloads.opalcat.com/files/dance.swf : khaosman
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          heh i remember when i first saw that....cute! little guys dancing....la la la...whats the point......BOOO... : pigvomit
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            i think you are talking about a different dance.swf watch this one, trust me. i almost fell asleep 5 ... : khaosman
            • ok yep not the one i was thinking about >:) : pigvomit
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          I'm a few minutes into this and it's BORING! What the hell's the point? : Waverider
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            OK, that was total crap. : Waverider
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              yea, it's completely horrid. must be some cat lovers thing. we must find and shoot the man who made thi... : khaosman
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                I was expecting something like goatse.cx or compugeek or something equally terrible. This was just a was... : Waverider
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                  isn't that worse though? you feel unfulfilled, not grossed out, confused and lonely! : khaosman
                  • YEAH! WE DEMAND SATISFACTION! Not that we'll get it or anything : Waverider
                • yeah, i JUST now saw Goatse.cx...gun : drebez22
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                  I was waiting for the cat to felate him : jackalope
                  • hahaha, but it never happens. what a shame : khaosman
          • I just saw it for the first time and thought it was great. It's a cat thing. : nudel
• maarten? : land
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  Steve Gibson : ScoobySnack
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    Mr. Gibson I loved you in Neuromancer! : FoX3D
    • And Braveheart! : KungFuKenobi
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  lex lethal : personaljesus
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    whatever happened to lex? : uberp00
    • he said Shack didn't have "it" anymore and the admins made it worse. : personaljesus
• the greatest to ever get chalk on his coat... : Caboose
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  Klerk? : EvilDolemite
  • Did you mean to type 'dyinggaul,' and 'klerck' came out instead? DYINGGAUL IS THE COOLEST! -- Jean-J... : dyinggaul
• George B? CURIFFY B?! : archon
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  sexninja, of course : leseid
  • "most famous"... not "gayest"... : tomservo
• I'd say its either klerk or its dognose. : ovrlrd
• odoyle : davislovestacobell
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  i'm pretty sure i am. not a day goes by that i don't hear 'ooohh busdriver, can i touch you? you're teh : busdriver3030
  • I'm pretty sure it's me. For exactly the opposite reasons. : leseid
  • everytime i see your name, i always think of the movie "deathrace 2000" : davislovestacobell
• fvick for his sexay text : fvick
• http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=6627056 : mofo
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  Bitchtechgrl. She sought to immortalize the Shack. But none of teh n00bs know of her famousness... : Ajax
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    Didnt she hookup with someone? like dante or something : drainovista
    • Dunno. Shackmsg & find out... : Ajax
  • i wonder if she ever finished that book : sexninja
• No one can even spell my name. : c0bra
• me. obviously. : seven
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  It seems as though shack has various eras of popular shackers...i remember when Freshview, Daggah, brutal... : hohoh0
  • big gunz hehehe :D : khaosman
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    what became of Freshview? : fishbone
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      he went postal and is now locked up in the pen. : khaosman
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        Seriously? : Waverider
        • yea :( : khaosman
      • I heard some mexicans got to him and he's now their drug mule. :< : Kaiser
    • he started making video games and had no time to post anymore :-( : freshview
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  i think dognose has gotten the most press but that will change when I through a shack party and kill you ... : rosewood
  • you spell "through" thru too don't ya? : land
  • ahhhh go poke your brain some more. how is that healing btw? :) : IcomeINpeace
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  Robin williams probably posts here, he's a huge game/computer nerd apparently. He'd be the most famous on... : davatar
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    fuck, it'd blow my mind if robin posted on teh shack. one of my favorite comedians : MurrayTheSkull
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      thanks man, i appreciate it. : busdriver3030
      • *head explodes* :P : MurrayTheSkull
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      Hey that means a lot to me, thanks : cavalier
      • you lose! : busdriver3030
    • hey, i'm not robin williams! or am i : khaosman
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    http://www.iamgoat.com/_/e3_williams_reznor_carmack.jpg : iamgoat
    • omg dude it's like the three coolest people in the world. : draconic
  • if he does, he posts nothing like his routine would suggest. Nobody here is that frenetic or clever. : edgewise
  • heh heh heh : andromeda
  • right, because every video game fan posts on messageboards : mr brown
• Someone set up us the Wil Wheaton! : PantherX
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  • needs more dance.swf : davislovestacobell
• me : Cpt. Baseballbat
• klerck for the most famous. Four-Port put in a lot of effort though. : slax0r
• Oh come on!!! I'm the most famous! You know that! :) : Optimus Prime
• Klerck : tachck
• lacker, w/o a doubt : AllYourBase
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  AllYourBase... b/c he became a household catchphrase. : hirez
  • yeah, this was my nickname way before the game even came out : AllYourBase
• X-eyed|mary Truly an american Icon. : Kaiser