AMD Hammer Time

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  The highest FSB CPU that motherboard supports. For example if your board maxes at 266FSB, you can only u... : MarksmanX
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    No, that's not true. The A7V133 has limited support for XP CPUs. It depends on the mainboard revision... : booyaka
    • Thanks for the replies yall. Although I'm still not sure cause on the website and in my manual it reads 2... : GrinAid

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  it doesn't work like that :) : Toraz Chryx
  • But it's 32 bits more! : Ben Barker
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  =( Poor guy... : spl
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    if you don't know what AX,BX,CX,DX,CS,DS,SS,ES are and what exactly the IP (not TCP/IP related !) does, i... : matthaeus
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      I know what eax/ebx/.. mean, but I still didnt get it :( : eiopa
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        just wanted to say my post was rather irony. I don't think anybody links 64bit CPU's and colordepth... : matthaeus
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          Yeah, I got that, but I cant find teh funnay in that :( : eiopa
          • WHERE IS TEH FUNNAY!? : johnny rotten
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      I know what all those things are and I didn't get it, so obviously the obviousness is not as obvious as y... : spl
      • yeah kill me :) : matthaeus
• I hope you're not serious about the desktop comment... Also, 64-bit rendering would have to be support... : synic0
• what's 64 bit? The insturctions are 64 bits wide and the registers are 64 bit?? I'm confused?? : pap26

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• I saw the Athlon XP as AMD trying to milk off of Microsoft. I'm not in-the-know about the hardware biz. : bcyoohoo

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  THIS is where AMD's market research budget went. They figured out an easy way to scam the uninformed con... : |hawkeye|
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    They aren't really scamming the consumers anymore than Intel are though, Intel designed a core for extrem... : Toraz Chryx
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      This is true. The situation is screwed up. All corporations look to gain an advantage in one way or ano... : |hawkeye|
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        if it truly is an accurate rating of how an xp processor performs compared to a tbird, how is that a fake... : halfway
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          Well, how "truly" accurate is it? Who determines the number? I thought so.... Maybe they could l... : |hawkeye|
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            IIRC AMD have a third party moderate the quantispeed ratings.. Anderson springs to mind for some reaso... : Toraz Chryx
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              If true, that's cool. Forget I mentioned it. : |hawkeye|
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                Its not. They extimate the clock speed the old T-birds would have to be to match the CPU and use that num... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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                  bought a P4 trhis time will not support BS like that, EVER.. So you'll just support a design intended ... : Toraz Chryx
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                    Intel might be artificially ramping up clock speeds, but when you get down to it, the 3 ghz P4 is still p... : diehlr
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                      yeah, but it's not as fast as the clockspeed would lead the average being to believe... : Toraz Chryx
                      • There are always tradeoffs. They made the tradeoff for a reason.. because they came up with the conclusio... : diehlr
                • http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Aug/gee20020826016040.htm AMD has asked PricewaterhouseCoopers, : Fred Garvin
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          If there was some impartial third party who came up with some numbering system to be applied to all proce... : |hawkeye|
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            its impossible to come up with such a number. Sometimes the P4's are faster then the Athlon XP's, and so... : Snifter_42
            • exactly, there's some examples (POVRay) where the P4 needs RDram and ONE GIGAHERTZ of frequency lead over... : Toraz Chryx
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  I will never understand peoples aversion this performance rating. It makes absolutely PERFECT sense. : johnny rotten
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    because this is like the 4th chip manufacturing company to try it, and all the others SUCKED when they st... : jaga
    • and how is AMD in any way 'pretending' that thier chips match their performance rating? : johnny rotten
    • But AMD doesn't suck. They're not doing it to pretend they're good. They're doing it to keep up with Inte... : carnivore
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  Raw clock speed is where Intel excells at. Ofcourse you're soo used to MHz rating that you would say thi... : MarksmanX
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    A performance rating that is BASED on no form of science, however. Its not like they said logically we sh... : UTSD3DSUCKS
    • the difference being that cyrix's chips really sucked.. AMD's don't they are just getting a bad advertisi... : jaga
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      Ok then Intel is a conartist saying that the Pentium IV speeds the internet up. I mean comon man those 3... : MarksmanX
      • bwahahahahaha : Old_Fart
      • all thanks to al gore! : Turd Ferguson
    • Its not BS. But apparently you're too obtuse to understand it. : johnny rotten
    • I'm just gonna say that I believe you are a total nut. Read the other responses for more details. : spl
    • It's not a guess, it's a scientific calculation. But you wouldn't understand, since you either never too... : royaljester
    • A little bitter over semantics? : Fred Garvin
  • The average person doesn't matter to me. : Vorlonesque
• Average Joe doesn't have any concept of pipelines, IPC or anything like that. All they see is a number an... : Fred Garvin

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• Im pretty sure ms is going to release windows for it. Linux is w/o a doubt going to be. Gentoo will be ... : gladbach
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  so are these things going to be a lot faster because they are 64bi no, bitness != performance, however... : Toraz Chryx
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    XP 64bit + Hammer = Win??? :D : Downforce
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      It will only=win if you have programs that are in 64-bit. But the Hammer already has backwards support f... : MarksmanX
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        yes, just imagine how many counter-strike servers could run on em if valve recompiled for 64bit. mmmmmmm... : gladbach
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          I think valve should fucking get Half-Life II through the door and get Counter-Strike II through the door... : MarksmanX
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            Yes, because obviously it's not possible to have three teams under one roof working on separate games. T... : iamgoat
            • I don't really think Counter-Strike is a seperate game but a modification. Like you know those Honda card... : MarksmanX
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              well he's right, if they get them out the door now, before Microsoft buys Vivendi, maybe they won't becom... : Old_Fart
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                vivendi owns sierra. sierra published HL. but does sierra own HL or CS? if not then valve can do whatev... : ease_one
                • Well, as far as distribution and marketing are concerned, that is a definite "yes' to ownership. They may... : Morphius
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              as far as i know CSII is almost all gooseman, and he works from home. : Turd Ferguson
              • gooseman is being paid to work on cs, thats correct. But valve owns the rights to cs. The only thing I ... : gladbach
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  It will only go fast if you have an OS and application that uses 64-bit. In other terms, a few years or ... : MarksmanX
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    epic already said they will be releasing a ut2k3 version for 64bit, and they have already demo'ed it on h... : gladbach
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      I thought Carmack was the only one going for 64-bit. I am amazed Epic :) : MarksmanX
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        I think Carmack said 64-bit was a waste of time for games and would actually slow them down. : nudel
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          Carmacks comments on it puzzled me, he commented (correctly) that 64bit ints/floats would require more me... : Toraz Chryx
          • It would take a lot more memory bandwidth to achieve the same speeds as 32bit precision because of the ex... : synic0
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        sigh, 64-bit color is not the same as a 64-bit processor. A 64 bit processor is not faster because of its... : seer
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          I never said anything about color in the whole comment :) Carmack stated he will have a 64-bit version of... : MarksmanX
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            http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/20918/ more like slim chance than when. : Turd Ferguson
            • Like I said it's up to him. But he will support it if the demand is there. He is very a resourceful man... : MarksmanX
        • kill da wabbit! : jaga
• It seems that its 32bit performance is really really great (at least from early indications). That'll be... : Vorlonesque

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• He's a lonely man. He needs to let off some steam you know ;) : MarksmanX
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  whur? just enjoying myself sparky. seriously it doesnt get much more funny than mc hammer reference jo... : Steve Gibson
  • except for vanilla ice reference jokes of course : w00d
  • Anytime I here someone call someone sparky I think of Farscape. : Vorlonesque

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  I have said this many times. I think that using the Hammer names would have been better. Having an Athlon... : fatman
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    I wouldn't be suprised if they DIDN'T do very much market research regarding the name. Anyone can see ... : |hawkeye|
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      of course, after the "Spitfire" snafu.. "Um, guys, naming a processor made in Dresden, Germany after a... : Toraz Chryx
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        Didn't VIA had to rename one of thier chipsets because it had the same name as a Nazi tank or something? : Stormrider
        • I think the letters were "KT" and that stood for "Concentration Camp" in German.. Someone correct me if ... : SlimJim
      • The original Socket A boards had the tecate eagle and markings on it ... not suprising since it was comin... : rosewood
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  They should have called it "Opteron Prime" =/ : galvatron
  • or Super Athlon Turbo XP! : timmie
• People said the same thing about the Geforce before it came out. : fishbone
• AUTOBOTS REJOICE : snuffed
• sounds like a transformer : pinkeye

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  Yeah it will run on the Nforce2. Hell the chipsets goes to 400MHz, above and beyound what AMD specified. : MarksmanX
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    Are sure that the nForce2 will run them? Heck I have nForce2 board and I did not know that. : KevlarTT
    • It will run them if the socket for the Athlon XP is still the same. If there is a socket change or an FSB... : MarksmanX
  • Not necessarily. Bartons with a 400MHz FSB should run on Nforce2 mobos with nothing more than a BIOS upgr... : Bold

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• Intel? Can't touch this dun-dun-nadun! : esmokah
• Fantastic idea! : valiance

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• welcome to the 1970's : BulletPro

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  It's just like if your parents would be messing around with your birthdate day. : larcho
  • Damn ... such a shacknews newbie. I wanted to chose "strike" for that one. : larcho

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  Hammer is being made on a .13 SOI process, I'd be VERY surprised if it's power needs were anything less t... : Toraz Chryx
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    Same could be said for GF FX, yet look at it :) : diehlr
    • yes look at it, http://home.attbi.com/~typedef.enum/fxoops.jpg : Old_Fart
    • Geforce FX isn't made on an SOI process, AFAIK only IBM and Motorola have SOI fabs thus far, AMD have lic... : Toraz Chryx

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• I think something was lost in that they figured hammer would be out a lot sooner *cough*microsoft lies to... : rosewood

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  Apple doesn't need publicity. All 12 of their customers are rabid fanboys who will always believe 400mhz... : Sludgehead
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    That was a very low quality troll, I give it 1/5 : Toraz Chryx
    • Yeah this one was much better http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=6611044 :) : diehlr
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  Wonder what the price will be. : Colin Higgins
  • $2455784544 : Old_Fart

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• Exactly my thoughts too except I'm gonna go for XP 2600+ 2.08GHz or higher (333MHz FSB) http://www.plasma... : SlamDunk

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• 2004.. : eiopa
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  funny that you say that: AMD plans to follow up with the introduction of the AMD Athlon(TM) 64 process : jimmy-buffett
  • September sounds like a good time for my to upgrade again (year and a half after I purchased my 1900+). ... : iamgoat
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    these are just the 1-2 way enabled CPUs, and are still highly useable on a desktop. the sledgehammers p... : Turd Ferguson
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      the sledges have bigger L2 caches IIRC? (maybe, there's been noises of 1MB and 256K Clawhammers and I'm ... : Toraz Chryx
      • i think the 1 way clawhammers are 256K and 1M, the 1-2 way claws are 512K and 1M, and the sledge (1-8 way... : Turd Ferguson

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• no, the computer you have right now will remain identical in speed to it's current configuration. unle... : Toraz Chryx

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  why you trying to waste my flava? : Steve Gibson
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    That's just too ubah. : Hydro
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      My roommate suggested AMD should hire MC Hammer and have him dancing all over the blue guys, lol : Erit
      • I saw Hammer on tv last night. He was preaching about Jesus, for serious. : Lord BEEF

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• If it sucked for Doom though he would say so, and they couldn't pay him not to since he doesn't give a sh... : Ben Barker
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  Joe schmoe doesn't even know who Carmack is. If they were REALLY smart, they'd make sure to have solid... : |hawkeye|
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    I'm no so sure gateway would be worth setting up with, they've apparently been hemmoraging money recently... : Toraz Chryx
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      People that buy computers from Wal-Mart/Gateway/Dell probably don't know too much about the company's fin... : |hawkeye|
      • I was thinking more along the lines of "It would be a waste of AMDs resources to setup a relationship wit... : Toraz Chryx
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    Some marketing campaigns use authoratative figures that are unpopular. All it would take is a brief VO "T... : Cygnus X-1
    • It could backfire too. "Ugh, that guys has a speech impediment. Haha! He's all small and scrawny t... : |hawkeye|
• It is very important to win over the early adopters though, no doubt. And Carmack wields that power. ... : |hawkeye|

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  get off the guys nuts for cryin out loud=/ : deucy
  • Holy shit, I am sorry I told him I enjoyed the news update. I'll go back to being cynical and jaded. ... : |hawkeye|

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• -1 reading comprehension : Turd Ferguson