GeForceFX Launches
by Steve Gibson, Jan 27, 2003 6:19am PSTWell today is the big day where NVidia changes the world if we're ready or whatever the heck that latest slogan they had was. The GeForceFX card has been unveiled on a few of the hardware websites and in a fashion that isnt really quite NVidia, the new generation card really isnt very impressive. In fact it's marginally faster than a Radeon 9700pro at best, and ATI's next-gen card is slated to come out in less than 8 weeks following the GeForceFX shelf date. Here is the benchmark parade:
- HardOCP - AnandTech - TomsHardware - ExtremeTechOne thing to keep in mind though is that as always these are early drivers, and performance gains will probably happen... Enough to trade up? Hrm... yeah you might wanna ponder that one for a bit and see what ATI's new card looks like in a month or two. AMAZING NOTE: As really insightful and clever as those 'LOL 3DFX'd!' and 'NVidia is doomed!' posts are, we're gonna mark them as stupid just to be rebelious.
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It just so happens I did my own personal testing regarding the two cards, I have a PNY GeForce 4 ti 4600 and a ATI Radeon 9700 pro. My system specs: P4 3.06 ghz, 1 gig PC1066 ram, SB Audigy platinum, Maxtor 200gig 7200rpm HD. Here are my findings.
The ATI is obviously a faster card. You know why? The picture quality stinks even on the highest settings!! What pisses me off the most is, the people who reviewed this card never mentioned anything about this. There are 984593875 controls to control the quality on the ATI which DON’T DO A THING, they DON'T improve picture quality at all. (am I the only one in the world who notices this?) I tested it on lowest settings and highest settings and guess what, I scored only 200 points in difference from 3dmark 2001 SE. Also, the new nvidia drivers brought me up to 1000 points difference between the two cards, so honestly spending $250+ on a ATI is a joke. I ran other tests too(real world gaming benchmarks), and games just don’t look as good. So I ended up ebaying my new ATI after running all my tests. I did however sell it for over $250 so it wasn’t a complete loss. I just wanted to let you all know, that both cards are good and fast, but I personally happen to notice picture quality, and the ATI’s picture quality doesn’t justify its so called "faster speed", like I said... of course its faster, because it looks like crap.
I’m hoping the new GeForce FX will be good, but im not selling my ti 4600 until I run a few hundred tests on it.
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Over the last few years, I have often commented on nVidia's poor the (2D) visual accuity and colour saturation in a Windows / GUI environment. I have, at various times, owned a RIVA 128, an original TNT and an SDRAM geForce 256. Unquestionaly, the 3D performance was strong, but other aspects of the card were very weak. Some people have claimed that 2D issues are simply a result of 3rd party companies like Leadtek and MSI using poor quality filters or cheap RAMDACs, but I firmly believe that nVidia cards lack the clarity and colour saturation of cards from Matrox and ATi.....I suspect that this latest offering does little to improve on this traditional weakness.........
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OMG ITS BIGGER THAN GODZILLA!
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BUT, ATI is under investigation for insider trading by the Canadian equivalent of the SEC, failed to honor a NDA, among things. sounds like they have more problems to deal with than NVidia.
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I just don’t see what the big deal is with AA. AF is great, I think it really sharpens up a picture and makes games looks noticeably better, and on the 9700 there’s not THAT much of a performance hit. In the kinds of games that I play (MP FPS primarily) I will never have a need for AA, I’d rather have 2 notches up on the resolution for the same hit in frames. Hardware is supposedly moving so much faster than the software, but everytime a new generation of engine is released, the HW can barely keep up with it. I tried UT2003 on my GF 3 and found it unacceptably slow, so I had to leap up 2 generations of hardware to get the smoothness I wanted. Doom 3 will rape everyone’s systems when it comes out, and at the Winter CPL, they had a tech demo for STALKER running on a GFfx and while it looked gorgeous, it was very choppy at times. I know the game isn’t finished, but it’s due to ship this year, I assume the rendering tech is 80-90% complete. So my point is that with software always pushing the latest hardware to the limit, the only thing that AA is good for is 5 year old tech like Counter Strike. It would be nice if someone had a way to enable AA on a per application basis, so that you could easily set it up so that the older software used it and the rendering hogs didn’t. It would also be nice if you didn’t have to hunt through 16 sub menus to switch it on or off. How about a frikkin tray icon with a quick toggle?
The only way I would ever enable AA is if someone came out with a card with truly free AA, but the only way to really do that would be if part of the card sat unused if AA wasn’t enabled, and only added it’s power to the card when AA was turned on.
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You really had me going there for a second. But now the joke is over and lets all share a laugh while you go ahead and release the real card you were preparing. C'mon, don't stretch this out. We know there is no way you would release this Voodoo5-6000 clone/leafblower as a serious competitor in the video card market. Haha, you really had us worried there for a second....
Nvidia........?
<sobs>
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I can't wait till GFFX come out, so i can definitely get the 9700.
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Seriously though, I think all the morons from 3DFX that eventually caused that companies demise are now corrupting the minds of NVidia's employees and higher-ups with their hairbrained schemes of what makes a video card "good".
Got news for ya boys, bigger aint always better. Takes up 2 slots? Massive fan noise? Massive power requirements? This thing is the Voodoo6, reincarnated under the guise of a diff brand name, but with the same moron 3DFX engineers at the helm.
Good luck Nvidia, methinks you should do some cleaning house before the next product requires its own 300W PSU.
http://esky.dodhq.net/files/crabvspipe1.mpeg
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Wait and see how it handles next gen games before casting doubt.
Although, yeah, its a bit of a power hungry noisy beast
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That alone makes me not want a GFFX.
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http://www.nofrag.com/screenshots/actualite/2003-01-27_bdfx.jpg
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http://magicsim.free.fr/dustbuster.wmv
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http://link.freepichosting.com/image.cgi/18976/0.jpg
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anyone with delta fans wont give a damn i guess, but for everyone else its one of those things u live with. i can hear my computer all the way on the bottom floor of my house (2 floors down) with the door closed but when u sit next to it u get used to it and zone it out....
......its like that philosophy that guy said that the universe smelled of strawberries everywhere but we're all used to it so we cant smell it anymore
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"Everyone seems to be in a hissy-fit over ATI’s R350 and the street date of March, which supposedly will be before the GeForceFX. Our source at the top says the R350 will be 10 percent faster and hit the streets before Nvidia even gets their packaging finished."
I don't know if it's true, but if it is...
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how many pounds of thrust is that fan shooting?
I could have one of those as a backup jet engine, just in case....
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http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=6575393
http://personal.inet.fi/atk/kjh2348fs/ati_vs_gffx_noise.zip
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ATI must be partying like rockstars today, they deserve it!
Another GFFX review. Quite posivite, actually. Maybe GFFX only bad points are the N O I S E and the price...
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